[WIP] British aircraft carrier Courageous class (HMS Glorious)

[VonDos]

Hi everyone!
This is my (until now)secret wip: an hibrid between SH3 Revenge and SH4 USS Cv:

http://www.warship.org/images/Glorious%201.gif

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3425/rnglorious.jpg

[Hunter]

She is a beauty! And I think I have guessed that next ship will be from Royal Navy!

[VonDos]

YES ser! (And thanks ^^)

[Madox58]

Very Nice VonDos!
:up:

May I suggest you add placement nodes to the Deck.
Then place the different aircraft carried on Deck in a new dat.
That way it displays the proper aircraft on Deck according to
the eqp file dates.
:03:

[melnibonian]

I hope we see it soon. I can't wait to sink this baby :yep::up:

[U-HAI]

It would be hard to resist the urge to fire , but such a beauty to behold!

[Laphroaig75]

This is a ship I really missed all the time :up:.

[nikbear]

Now that is class:yep: can't wait :yeah:

[Hunter]

BTW corrently she remindes me about HMS Eagle. At last her dimentions and current shape of haul are much more closer to that ship, while for Courageous Repulse's haul would be more suitable.This way making HMS Eagle first and then modufing it into HMS Coregeous could be more simplier work.

[Reece]

Good stuff VonDos, this is one ship type that doesn't get much attention, looking forward to the launch!:yeah:

[Lupo]

hi!

cant wait to sunk them............very good work vondos!!!:yeah:

mfg lupo!

[VonDos]

Hi, and thanks everyone!
For the question HMS Eagle \ Courageous... i think this can be a generic early carrier, good for all situations ^_^

[VonDos]

Very Nice VonDos!
:up:

May I suggest you add placement nodes to the Deck.
Then place the different aircraft carried on Deck in a new dat.
That way it displays the proper aircraft on Deck according to
the eqp file dates.
:03:


This is a really interesting idea! How can i realize this? :06:

[iambecomelife]

YES! My favorite British carrier class - can't wait to see it/them! I'm going to set up a custom mission with her and the German battlecruisers to see how long she lasts. :DL

You did an excellent job modeling the unusual flight deck that these ships had - very difficult compared to a more modern carrier.

[rowi58]

This is a really interesting idea! How can i realize this? :06:

Hi VonDos,

excellent work. The suggestion by privateer, you can find a similar solution in LSH3 Version 4.0 (files FloatplaneD.dat and FloatplaneD.zon). Just ad some nodes (cfg#P01 ...) to the main object of your ship (p stands for "plane" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ). Ad some [Equipment xx] to your EQP-file:

[Eqipment xx]
NodeName=P01
LinkName=PLANENAME_1
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

and create a new DAT-file which will contain all the plane modells you need for that ship. Insert this DAT file (and the ZON file) to the folder "Library". Since Stock-SH3, we have this solution with the "incarcatura.dat" and "incarcatura.zon" (in folder "Library"). Than vary "LinkName", "StarDate" and "EndDate" as you like (see for example the gun equipment of some merchant or warships).

Greetings
rowi58

[Hitman]

Excellent idea, and excellent use of the old battleship hull! VonDos, you have a very good eye to spot the similarities and fine lines of the ships, and that tells much about your skills: You are an artist! :up:

[coronas]

Bella nave. :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Great idea VD......looking forward to the release http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Oneshot/Onekill]

And here we go. More ships! Gotta love it. Good work VD!:up::up::up:

[iambecomelife]

http://www.warship.org/no11994.htm

Here is a fascinating analysis of "HMS Glorious"s last battle. It seems like her captain was neither a pleasant nor competent fellow. Some of the author's most significant findings:

-At the time of her sinking, the carrier's captain was rushing home to court martial an officer he had a grudge against. Morale on the ship was reported to be very poor.

-He chose to set sail with only two destroyers as escort, even though the "Glorious" would have been safer within a larger battle group.

-No lookout was on duty in the carrier's crow's nest at the time of the engagement.

-The escorting destroyers were positioned parallel to the carrier, instead of in a linear formation (which would have afforded better visibility). Consequently, nobody noticed the German battlecruisers until it was too late.

-No combat air patrol was established; had an aircraft been aloft, the disaster might never have occurred. In fact, no aircraft launch was even attempted until shells were demolishing the ship's hangars, by which time the situation was hopeless.

-The "Glorious" maintained her course for 47 minutes after receiving a report of strange ships on the horizon. Had she immediately changed course and worked up to maximum speed, she may have escaped.

-After "Glorious" started to take hits, she transmitted her contact report on the wrong frequency, and maintained this frequency until her sinking (the Wikipedia entry on "Glorious" falsely states that there was "no time" to send a report).

Out of approximately 1600 men on "Glorious", "Ardent", and "Acasta", 39 survived.

[VonDos]

Really interesting, a serious serie of errors.
In a match between Gneisenau+Sharnhorst and Glorious+Warspite (+2dd) (for example), maybe ship fate could have been different.

A couple of up-to-date while testing A\A:

http://f.imagehost.org/0216/qm3.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Gorgeous shots!

I agree that the ship would not have sunk if a British battleship had been present. It seems to have been German policy not to engage other heavy units (although there were exceptions, like "Bismarck" vs "Hood"). To my knowledge, the nearest large British surface units in the area were the "Ark Royal" and the heavy cruiser "Devonshire" (seen here).
http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/photos/br/ca_hms_devonshire.jpg

I'm not sure if "Ark Royal" got the distress but her small caliber guns would have been no help to "Glorious" anyway.

"Devonshire" picked up the SOS from "Glorious" but did not assist. She would have been no match for the German vessels - plus she was evacuating the Norwegian royal family & Norway's gold reserves at the time of the disaster. Also, there are doubts about how clear the distress signal was, due to mistakes made in the "Glorious"s radio room (they not only got the frequency wrong, but they didn't use the most powerful radio on board to send it. For some reason the destroyers did not send their own report before sinking; since none of their radio room personnel survived we may never know why.)

Although "Devonshire"s captain made (IMO) the right decision, to this day relatives of the "Glorious" crewmembers are still angry. All in all, a very tragic story. 1500 brave men and three fine ships thrown away - in large part thanks to one man's behavior. :nope:

[Oneshot/Onekill]

The same can be said for the captain of the Cyclops at the time of her dissapearance.:nope:

[iambecomelife]

Release date? (I'm one to talk!) :rotfl:

Beta testing opportunities? :o

[VonDos]

A date for release, at moment, is hard to say. I think a month will be required for finish her well. :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:
For beta test, current version is early in progress, but if you want... :D

[Cohaagen]

I know I've banged on about these ships long enough, so Von Dos - that is be-au-ti-ful....! Bella bella, artiste!

By the way, the sinking of Glorious wasn't exactly a textbook operation on the part of the Kriegsmarine - they expended an absurd amount of ammunition for hits gained, and Scharnhorst managed to get herself torpedoed by Acasta - not great drills.

[iambecomelife]

True - I think that the German commander of the mission got sacked afterwards for not accomplishing his primary mission, which was to go after merchant shipping.

[VonDos]

WIP status image:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6845/row.jpg

Thanks to Rowi58 for help in realize Privateer suggestion and for others modifications ^_^
Now planes are implemented in a library :up:

[VonDos]

In battle whit Gneisenau and Sharnhorst (Acasta and Ardent are sunk before):

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6845/row.jpg

[Hunter]

Awesome! But just in case you didn't nitice it, right now her flight deck is too extended backwards outside of the haul.
http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2003_04/Draw/14.jpg

[VonDos]

You're right, some photos had caused in me this strange confusion:

http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/pictures/scharnjuno/glorious/operation_juno_glorious_03.jpg

I didn't consider photo's angle °_° i'll correct this, thanks!

[iambecomelife]

MUST release soon! :stare:

[VonDos]

Better now?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6845/row.jpg

@iambecomelife like your Merchant Fleet :yeah:

btw, seriously, i think i should start beta tests soon..

[Hunter]

Right, square shaped structures always look longer while being seen at angle. Now it is much better. :)

[mr chris]

She looks stunning VD:up:

[VonDos]

Thanks!


Now beta tests can start!
Someone is interested in test this unit?

[iambecomelife]

Thanks!


Now beta tests can start!
Someone is interested in test this unit?

I'd love to. I already have a mission set up with the German battlecruisers (although I had to substitute "Glorious" with the "Illustrious").

[mr chris]

Would love to mate but im having some serious issues getting SH3 to work now i have installed some new hardware.

[VonDos]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3425/rnglorious.jpg

Voilà the official pre-release image!
@ mr chris no problem mate, will be for next unit! ;)
@ iambecomelife (and rowi58) please check your pm! :yeah:

[LordNeuro"Serbia"]

Fantastic job as alweys. :yeah:
Just 1 noob qvestion it must be scripted in campaing so we can see it in game. Maybe too make a small tutorial or exemple of how too put it in game in the readme if is not a too much of a trobel. I new it shore would help me too put thise nice ship in game ( i hope:oops::damn: i would help).
Keep up the fantastic job.:up:

[iambecomelife]

Just had a nice battle with her & her two German "friends". It went well; the ship took a lot of damage. Noticed some flickering of textures on the port side. Also, I noticed that there were several boats hidden inside the hull object (launches from the default battleship unit). Maybe they could be reworked into other features, like liferafts or oil drums...?

[rowi58]

Fantastic job as alweys. :yeah:
Just 1 noob qvestion it must be scripted in campaing so we can see it in game. Maybe too make a small tutorial or exemple of how too put it in game in the readme if is not a too much of a trobel. I new it shore would help me too put thise nice ship in game ( i hope:oops::damn: i would help).
Keep up the fantastic job.:up:

Hi mate,

go to bigboywolly's FileFront site - there you'll find wonderfull documents/instructions how to add untis to the campaign files:

http://hosted.filefront.com/bigboywooly

Greets
rowi58

[LordNeuro"Serbia"]

Thx for replay and usful information rowi58:yeah:
Cheers.

[AG124]

Sorry for my delay in responding - RL has been overwhelming as of late.:damn:

Beautiful ship, absolutely beautiful, and one for which I have been waiting a very long time (early war UK CV's have been an area which SHIII has been lacking for a long, long time).:D Are you doing any more work along the forward hull, or is the final image the final one (it appears that some of the details of the texture are incorrect, especially in regards to porthole placement along the bow). Other than that, this model is looking very, very good.:up:

[Jimbuna]

@AG.....your link to the GWX site is no longer valid.

Try this: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

[VonDos]

@IAMBECOMELIFE i've replaced useless lifeboats with oil drums, do you like them? A good idea ^_^
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4166/rowm.jpg

@AG can you indicate me exactly bad textures? (red pencil at work)

@ROWI you've a PM, thanks a lot!

[A6Intruder]

Hi VD,
maybe you are looking for a better Swordfishskin. I found an rather old mod called:Illustrious_Swordfish_texture_fix_v2
ImO it looks much better then now:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2461/illustriousswordfishtex.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=illustriousswordfishtex.jpg)
If you like it i will upload to my Mediafire side.:yeah:
Best regards

[VonDos]

Nice, but i need author permission to use this. Do you know who is?
Thanks, and regards, VD

[A6Intruder]

Nice, but i need author permission to use this. Do you know who is?
Thanks, and regards, VD

Seems to be a guy from here:
Questions/Comments to macstu23 at the Subsim.com forum
Best regards:up:

[VonDos]

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mmm i try to send a PM, but i think we've lost the contact :hmmm:
let's try!

[rowi58]

@IAMBECOMELIFE i've replaced useless lifeboats with oil drums, do you like them? A good idea ^_^
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4166/rowm.jpg

@AG can you indicate me exactly bad textures? (red pencil at work)

@ROWI you've a PM, thanks a lot!

Hi VonDos,

very good work - looks very good with the oil drums. If you want to replace the swordfish skin, you must import the new TGA into the CV_AirPlanes.dat or add the new skin - renamed: CV_Swordfish.tga - to the folder "data/Textures/TNormal/tex".

Greetings
rowi58

[LordNeuro"Serbia"]

How the last two plane cann reach the ranwey:haha:
And on ather hand i m daying too see thise fine ship in game and in my pat:yeah:
I hope the relis is soon.
Keep up the gr8 work.

[roadhogg]

The Scharnhorst apparently set a record during the sinking of the Glorious - for the longest range hit- 26,000m.
The carriers do seem to be quite fragile in game, i've seen the Graf Zeppelin sunk by a pair of destroyers, and a single salvo from a battleship. Illustrious classes fair no better. Shame, but probably fairly accurate . . any opinions?

Good stuff as usual VonDos, another one to add to my folder of all your other ships in SH3. I just wonder a bit about the stability of those oil drums on a flat deck in heavy weather. Petty point really though, sorry m8.

I feel guilty now :wah: :salute:

Looking forward to this release

[Hitman]

i've replaced useless lifeboats with oil drums, do you like them? A good idea ^_^


Hummmm IIRC carrier airplanes normally were not fueled in the deck due to security reasons. If the carrier suffered an attack right then, the whole high octane aviation gazoline would explode in flames and wreck havoc. In the battle of Midway this disaster happened to the japanese, as they were refueling and rearming their airplanes at deck for a quick second sortie, and it caused the loss of the carrier when the US airplanes attacked.

Also, as Rowi pointed out, it would be rather odd to see those drums there if the ship is tackling with rough weather :hmmm: I would suggest eliminating them or swapping them for other more appropiate objects.

Other than that, the ship is looking GORGEOUS :yeah:

[coronas]

I would suggest eliminating them or swapping them for other more appropiate objects.

Flight deck crews?

[A6Intruder]

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mmm i try to send a PM, but i think we've lost the contact :hmmm:
let's try!


If you can`t reach him take the files an give him credit. I think he would be proud to see his rather old (2006) work together with your beauty.
Best regards:up:

EDIT: Find it here:http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3d9d5aa106e917474c17ca8801618ef7e04e75f6 e8ebb871

[Jimbuna]

I'm at a loss to see what is wrong with the current Swordfish skins :hmmm:

If you are going to change them might I suggest you include both and give the user the option as to which one they prefer http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

Those currently used in GWX3.0 (and the beta Courageous I suspect).

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/598/sh32008053015464318.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh32008053015464318.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9020/sh32008053015495715.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh32008053015495715.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2320/sh32008053113184635.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh32008053113184635.jpg)

[rowi58]

Sorry guys,

all nice ideas with the different skons - but remember: the Swordfish is not a plan from the folder "data/Air" belonging to the roster "British/Air". So they will not show any markings, when you use these skins.

The skins embedded in the "CV_AirPlanes.dat" will show markings - because they are part of the skin.

Greetings
rowi58

[U-HAI]

Hello, lI am attempting to learn how to add ships

what program do you model in and what program dp you export to OBJ in please??

thank you
U-hai

[VonDos]

\\what program do you model in and what program dp you export to OBJ in please??

Model -> Maya 7,0
Export -> Pack3d and 3ditor

[rowi58]

@U-HAI

Modell: still wings3d
Import/Export: Pack3D (all versions) and S3D

Greets
rowi58

[VonDos]

Hi everyone!
Last news pre release i think ^_^
I've replaced the drums on the deck with some simples box (made of wood, same color of the bridge), so this problem is solved :rotfl:
For planes, i've manteined the original textures. They're good, after all.
I'm correcting last small things, some textures on the hull for example.
In a couple of days i'll release, i think!
Thanks to beta testers for help!

[Jimbuna]

Looking forward to it VD http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[VonDos]

A pic while waiting:

http://g.imagehost.org/0710/row.jpg

[nikbear]

I'm gobsmacked:o That has got to be one of your best to date VonDos,she looks wonderful :salute::salute::salute:

[coronas]

Other hole closed in English roster.Thanks VD.

[rowi58]

Great :salute:

Happy to see this ship in the campaign. Thx VonDos:up:

Greetings
rowi58