Making a battleship-sub....

[Walkiria]

I have totally implemented a battlecruiser, everything is in place and workin' properly. As I was interested in the possibility of using it as a submarine :cool:, I added the diving and surface systems. It works fine, and it keeps quite stable until it reaches 30ft deep. But, from 30ft, it sinks forward and it starts an unrecoverable fall :nope:. My other problem is that, altought it sinks smoothly and it reaches the bottom at 0 speed, it starts suffering quite severe damages in its central structure after a while resting.
My two main questions are:
1-How could I level the fall under 30ft (which parameters should I adjust)?
2-When I use the same parameters in a submarine, it works perfectly. What should I change in the battlecruiser files in order to achieve the same behavior?

Thank you everybody!

[denis_469]

May be anyone made this submarine? It's real foto unidentified japanese submarine during WWII.
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0904/4b/5eca7f91fc8d.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

2 305mm guns!

[keltos01]

May be anyone made this submarine? It's real foto unidentified japanese submarine during WWII.
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0904/4b/5eca7f91fc8d.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

2 305mm guns!

it's the french cruiser submarine Surcouf :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_%28N_N_3))

http://www.ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/FrenchSubmarineSurcoufthe.html

keltos

[denis_469]

it's the french cruiser submarine Surcouf :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_%28N_N_3))

http://www.ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/FrenchSubmarineSurcoufthe.html

keltos

Not Surkouf. See in form turret and hull form. Surkouf have other hull form and form turret.

[Captain von Keldunk]

I think It is from jap movie "lorelei the witch of the pacific ocean":salute:

[Regio Sommergibile]

I think it's another one too...

Prow shape and cannons' turret looks really different each other.


I think It is from jap movie "lorelei the witch of the pacific ocean":salute:
You made a point here

[keltos01]

Lorelei

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6277/imageg.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Surcouf (left) unknown (right)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6374/surcoufandunknownijn.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

my BAD. I agree it's close but not quite.

In the movie Lorelei, the germans capture the french Surcouf submarine and set it up with a midget sub, a Biber, in the rear hangar that housed the submarine's recon plane.

The inside is also fitted, in the movie, with german gears and gauges.

In RL the USAF sank the Surcouf when a B24 LIberator mistook it for a german sub in Florida in 1942 : the records of the 6th Heavy Bomber Group operating out of Panama show them sinking a large submarine the morning of 19 February.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1889/53326097.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Other nations tried out the cruiser-submarine type, like Britain's X1 seen here above.

On the other fictionous hand, Lorelei is a good movie, I enjoyed it.

Keltos

lorelei :
http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/films/japanese/lorelei/index.htm

[kiwi_2005]

First time Ive heard of this movie, sounds good im definitely going to try and find it.

IMDb review
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0406941/

Lorelei can best be described as a Japanese version of "Das Boot" with a supernatural storyline thrown in. The setting is the last week of WWII, Hiroshima having just been bombed. A Japanese veteran captain is given command of a German-surplus submarine with a secret weapon, the "Lorelei System". As viewers of Japanese movies will know, scenes with English-speaking characters usually end up very awkward, with the English-speakers often being cheap local "talent" grabbed off the street, in most cases with very questionable English credentials. But this movie was just about on-par with the classic Tora Tora Tora, using professional Hollywood and local English-speaking actors that portray their roles to near perfection, making the whole movie flow smoothly. Without giving away spoilers, it's difficult to review this movie. But the advancement of computer graphics has made for some really visually stunning submarine battle action. If anything, the surface vessels come across as being a bit lifeless, as the effort was spent on the underwater sequences. At 140 minutes the movie is long, and by western standards probably somewhat talky, but there is a lot of political maneuvering going on in this movie, plus the diverting from history as we know it, that requires the additional dialogue. All actors put in very decent performances, the soundtrack is fittingly orchestrated and the cinematography excellent. While not being the classic that "Das Boot" was, this movie is very enjoyable, and with subtitles could potentially get a decent western cult following.

[denis_469]

Keltos01 - Loreley is release in 2005 year. But I receive this foto in 1999 year in 6 year before release Loreley. You full not true... It's not from this film.
I hope, that himself can find this submarine, but out of money not made this. So now I place this foto for modding game.

And first time Ive heard of this movie...

[Vikinger]

Or why not try to make a playable Sen Toku :)

A real monster submarine.

Armaments was 3 aircrafts.
8x533mm forward torpedo tubes, 20x533mm Type 95 torpedoes, 1x140mm gun, 3x25mm machine guns, 1x25mm machine gun

The japs made 3 of them during the war from 1944-1945 and all survived the war.

[Torplexed]

The japs made 3 of them during the war from 1944-1945 and all survived the war.

They probably only survived because the war ended as they were making their first operational cruise in an attempt to strike the US carrier anchorage at Ulithi atoll. The Japanese had given up on the idea of using them against the Panama Canal Zone at that point.

[keltos01]

Keltos01 - Loreley is release in 2005 year. But I receive this foto in 1999 year in 6 year before release Loreley. You full not true... It's not from this film.
I hope, that himself can find this submarine, but out of money not made this. So now I place this foto for modding game.

And first time Ive heard of this movie...

Denis,

do you have any more information regarding the sub in your picture ?

Does the photo date back to WWII ?

Where and how did you get it ?

do you have a higher resolution scan of that photo ? there are 2 sailors visible I think on the aft starboard side.

keltos

[Walkiria]

Or why not try to make a playable Sen Toku :)

A real monster submarine.

Armaments was 3 aircrafts.
8x533mm forward torpedo tubes, 20x533mm Type 95 torpedoes, 1x140mm gun, 3x25mm machine guns, 1x25mm machine gun

The japs made 3 of them during the war from 1944-1945 and all survived the war.

Nice idea:salute:. It is quite feasible. The only problem is that I need to adjust the sinking/surfacing parameters when making sub-cruisers. As I already mentioned, when I use submarine parameters for boats, they do not behave the same... ouch.

[Pvt. Public]

so is it sinking or just dropping its nose and diving like mad? just curious though, this is beyond my few tinkering skills, hope it works out. any chance we can get a screenshot of this creation of yours?

[denis_469]

Denis,

do you have any more information regarding the sub in your picture ?

Does the photo date back to WWII ?

Where and how did you get it ?

do you have a higher resolution scan of that photo ? there are 2 sailors visible I think on the aft starboard side.

keltos


Answers:
Foto this submarine is near all what I have. Alsa know that it japan submarine abd have 2 305mm guns.

Verification that it foto made during WWII I can not made. During I himself know about submarines, I can say that it submarine was building between WWI and WWII, so during WWI sich submarines can not building. It was techical impossible. After WWII from all submarines guns was delete. So submarine in foto was building after WWI and before end WWII.

I receive this foto from one american man in 1999 year with other materials about unidentifikied few other german and japan submarines from USN during WWII. For example 1 US destroyer during DC attack submarine rise from water wrecks from attacking submarine what she domding DC. Or other when near Alaska other US destroyer DC other japan submarine and see she hull rise from water after explosions DC and after it down into water. All knowlege japan submarine not was in place in time attack DC.

I have not more resolution this foto. Simple - it's single foto what I have to this japan submarine.

If interesting more about unidentified submarines...
http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-4-0-00000003-000-0-0-1238431092

It's what I researche work.
But near all text in russian.

[Sailor Steve]

I once made an Iowa class submarine.

In my bathtub.:rotfl:

When I was nine.:dead:

[keltos01]

Answers:
Foto this submarine is near all what I have. Alsa know that it japan submarine abd have 2 305mm guns.

Verification that it foto made during WWII I can not made. During I himself know about submarines, I can say that it submarine was building between WWI and WWII, so during WWI sich submarines can not building. It was techical impossible. After WWII from all submarines guns was delete. So submarine in foto was building after WWI and before end WWII.

I receive this foto from one american man in 1999 year with other materials about unidentifikied few other german and japan submarines from USN during WWII. For example 1 US destroyer during DC attack submarine rise from water wrecks from attacking submarine what she domding DC. Or other when near Alaska other US destroyer DC other japan submarine and see she hull rise from water after explosions DC and after it down into water. All knowlege japan submarine not was in place in time attack DC.

I have not more resolution this foto. Simple - it's single foto what I have to this japan submarine.

If interesting more about unidentified submarines...
http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-4-0-00000003-000-0-0-1238431092

It's what I researche work.
But near all text in russian.

from here :
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=155127&posted=1#post155127


http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif
I think the picture is of M2 aka X2. British, based on a converted K-Class Hull. Two turreted versions were produced, one with 1x 8-inch gun, one with 2x 6-inch guns.
The one with the 6-inch guns was later converted further as a seaplane carrier, with the hangar replacing the turret.

This could be a rare picture of that submarine before it was converted to the seaplane carrier configuration.

Surcouf was essentially a French copy of the same vessel, though about 10% larger, IIRC.

(Source for this is Purnell's : Submarines since 1919.)

I have no recall whatsoever of the IJN having a submarine in the Surcouf/X2 class, as a U-Cruiser.

Regards, Uyraell



English then :hmmm:

Keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

Found a confirmation on WIKI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M2) ;)

Maybe is not enough but it's the third link available in my research about it; i think it can be confirmed...

[denis_469]

from here :
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=155127&posted=1#post155127



English then :hmmm:

Keltos

Apparantly wrong. I find data about all subs M class in RN. All 3 sub have 1 305mm gun plus 4 457mm tt. 1 boat was restored in seaplane carrier, 1 was restored in minelayer. During icidents was lost M-1 and M-2. Submarine in foto have 2 305mm guns instead 1 gun in to M class. So it's not true.

Submarine M-1 with gun.
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0904/ed/25f4964c44a1.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

As see - submarine in foto in 2 time more then M-1 submarine/.

And today find in net one more unidentified submarine
http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0904/54/e722ef8222ca.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/146198.html

[denis_469]

Haven't you had a look at my link?:shifty:


and again...


HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M1) something else about HMS M1

I see you link, but submarine M class too small for weapons what can see in to foto unidentified submarine. If you see in size sailors on deck submarine you can see that guns not 203mm, but 305mm in turret. For sich turret submarine M class too small.

[Regio Sommergibile]

i can't find the sentence about the two guns... Btw those named are not so big. Sorry was a mispelling :up: