Just curious

[GoldenRivet]

at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"?

i mean at some point that has to happen right?

so what is the line in the sand for you?

Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO.

The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco.

little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law.

the list goes on and on

so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you?

[SteamWake]

I'm afraid its sort of out or hands ... for now.

We kep the same clowns or select new ones to legislate for us for whatever reason.

Maybe in the next 4 years the public at large may wake up and realize what is going on but not untill it effects them in some negative way.

In the meantime the march towards socialisim continues.

[nikimcbee]

at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"?

i mean at some point that has to happen right?

so what is the line in the sand for you?

Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO.

The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco.

little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law.

the list goes on and on

so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you?

I did my part, voted and lost.:dead: I am not happy with our current crop of politians (both parties).

On a side note, I just started reading "Battle Cry of Freedom." The issues our country had back in the 1840s~50's sound very similar:hmmm: to today.

[AVGWarhawk]

The line is supposed to get drawn during elections. Apparently,we some forgot what to draw.

[Oberon]

I've been pondering that in the UK for some time.

The gains made by the BNP in recent years is quite a concern too.

[Digital_Trucker]

They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them).

That reminds me of an excellent joke:

What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start:yeah:

[Fr8monkey]

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

[August]

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

[Biggles]

In the meantime the march towards socialisim continues.

Everything's relative...some would say that it's a good thing...

[GoldenRivet]

I stood up and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dollars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.
What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

precisely. :shifty:

someone needs to watch ...

...Part one ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU )

... and two ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhDkZjKBEw )

of the "crisis of credit" video, really shows you how all this stuff got started without someone going out on a politically motivated witch hunt.

seriously, i recommend these videos. :up:

this is the problem we have with this nation

Whenever Person A recommends action or a change of direction... Person B jumps on the "Well its all Person A's fault we're in this mess to begin with" band wagon :nope:

and those discussions always go nowhere.

My opinion...

if you lend irresponsibly - and subsequently go broke because of it - it is NOT the governments place borrow all my money so they can save you.

if you run your business irresponsibly - and subsequently you have to risk going bankrupt - it is NOT the governments place to borrow all my money so they can save you.

If your home gets forclosed on because you purchased a vast over priced mantion even though your a minimum wage worker - it is NOT the governments place to take my money and give it to you so you can continue to live a life of financial reckless abandon.

see the pattern here?

[Fr8monkey]

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8151CF5912FD3DAD

[SteamWake]

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

Actually Carter started it Clinton made it worse.

But I know Im waisting my breath as you wont be able to step back and realize this.

Bush derangement syndrom.:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?Sorry mate, but you've gotta take a step back and look a little more objectively. One of the main causes of the current issue is sub-prime lending. Under Clinton it became illegal for banks to refuse loans to people whom they knew full well could not repay, setting us up for today.

Both sides of your party lines have made blunders, but the subprime one is a Dem doing, not Bushes nor Reagan..

[Aramike]

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..Carter tried to fix it??? Are you SERIOUS?

How, per se, did he do that? Carter was one of the worst economic presidents of the 20th century.

Whereas, Reagan's economics led directly to one of the largest periods of economic growth in recorded history.

Please give specifics and I'll give mine.

[Aramike]

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.Oh, and you DO understand that wartime spending HELPS the economy, right?

[GoldenRivet]

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

I dont care who started it or how.

Just want to know what we the people are going to do about it.

A. point fingers and blindly follow the same old tired "us vs. them" BS (Fr8)

or

B. Discuss - without pointing fingers and pissing and moaning about who's fault it is.

obviously im asking WAY too much here.

this is an easy exercise... dont blindly follow whoever "your guy" is... and look at ways to fix this as common people.

everyone has their theories

but i dont want to hear is

"Well whaaaa whaaaa.... its all Herbert Hoover's fault.... and global warming!!! and .... and ... and venture capitalists?! ... If (insert party affiliation here) was running things the whole time this would have never happened to begin with... america would be utopia!!! whaaaaaaa"

[UnderseaLcpl]

Interesting questions GR.:hmmm:

For me, we're already past the line in the sand. Not so far past it that I'm going to try to incite a rebellion or anything, but enough that I excercise my legal rights to protest. I write letters to my congresswomen, and I vote and support a third party, participate in their rallies, etc.

For America as a whole I think the point will likely come when it usually does in any nation; when things get really, really bad. Especially when the economy gets really really bad. What happens then is anyone's guess. Could be a peaceful trend back towards Constitutionalism, could be a revolt, could be civil war. Hard to say.
Of course, we could also go the other way, towards a more centralist state, but I think that Americans would fight sooner than see that.

A major breach of Constitutional freedoms would probably trigger a backlash as well. It would have to be drastic, and not done too slowly for people to realize what is going on.

[GoldenRivet]

congresswomen

well there's your problem :rotfl:

JK

[Platapus]

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

[SteamWake]

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be

Thats the point I was trying to make.

The problem is that the american public at large are un-informed, ignorant, and wanton... yes wanton... hand out.

If we could get more people whom carried the water instead of drinking it.

[Platapus]

Well no where in the Constitution does it state that a citizen can't be Ignorant, Ill informed or Wanton. :)

If it did, our citizen population would sure take a hit. :D

[Kapt Z]

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

[danurve]

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Camera/2524/bats/bat13.gif

[GoldenRivet]

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,
Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

you wanna know WHY they get re-elected 90% of the time?

because your average joe Democrat and your average joe Republican walk up to the voting maching and punch "Straight republican" or "Straight democrat"

and thus... their fate is sealed.

and a good number of them dont have a fuc*ing clue who they just voted for.

one would be a fool if they didnt agree with the following statements...

1. "most voters dont follow politics closely"

2. "most voters dont want to see things change too much"

3. "most voters are not truly educated on the issues at hand"

that sir is a fact

and it is the reason you see so many re-election numbers.

think about that next time you go and stamp "straight democrat" or "straight republican" - do you really know how your congress person voted on the issues? does the person next to you know?

:hmmm:

[Aramike]

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.Ouch. I'd rather not dilute our armed forces with malcontents... :timeout:

[Platapus]

GoldenRivit, I would have a hard time disagreeing with what you posted. :cry: