The 'fairness' doctrine...

[SteamWake]

The march towards socialisim continues.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88113

BTW keep in mind this woman's husband was the founder of the now defunct "Air America".

[UnderseaLcpl]

Words fail me.

[FIREWALL]

Very interesting article. Food for thought. :hmmm:

[Zachstar]

So you call the years we had it "socialist" years?

Yall need new words at best. A complete education at worst.

We need something new just to clean the damn cobwebs out of AM radio. Unless you are a nutjob there is just no entertainment on AM anymore.

Unless you are talking about one of these rare stations that still play Phil Hendrie.

[AVGWarhawk]

I listen to AM all the time Zach. It is very entertaining and informative listening to Ron Smith and C4 on 1090 here in Baltimore. I really do not need to listen to the latest hip-hop song or what is happening on American Idol. :O: I guess I'm just a nut job.

[AVGWarhawk]

Words fail me.

Exactly what this act is about. :salute:

[SteamWake]

Thats the root of the 'problem' is that sure you can (and have) put liberal programming on the AM band. But their target audiance are listening to FM or XM rock, pop, shock, stuff.

There really is not an audiance for programing like Air America hence its failure.

I dont get it its not like there arent already alternative programming out there. NPR comes to mind not to mention the internet and media outlets like CNN.

But hey if you dont like the content of AM conservative radio no one is holding a gun to your head saying "Listen to this or die".

People listen to Rush and his counterparts because they choose to do so. In large numbers no less.

Freedom is about choice and as I see it there are plenty of choices out there.

It just smacks of if you cant compete... silence the competition.

[Zachstar]

How is it silence if half of the viewpoint has to be conservative. And even that seems to have more entertainment value than some political value. Watch that idiotic back and forth on Hannity and Colmes and you see how powerful it supposedly is.. Not

Will it pass? Hell no..

As for who listens to AM radio. What happens when times move on? When the younger generations used to computers and such get up there? Somthing tells me they will want to play with old operating systems like windows 7 rather than listen to an outdated signal format. You know what that spells? How does digital AM grab you?

You don't make AM atleast halfway entertaining and something other than nutjobs on both sides and before you know it the FCC will be selling the band.

[SteamWake]

Just a little tech note... AM cannot go 'digital' due to its type of propigation (Amplitude Modulation) you simply cant modulate the amplitude fast enough. It (AM) is indeed a dying mode.

AM is actually the least efficent type of propigation around not to mention the spectrum they are 'locked' into sucks. FM being the second least efficent. Single side band or SSB beats them both hands down but can sound like donald duck. :yeah:

[Aramike]

How is it silence if half of the viewpoint has to be conservative. It is silencing them because radio stations are in BUSINESS. To force them to change the very structure of what they've find appeals to their audience effectively silences them.

We've all seen how successful liberal talk radio is, right? :doh:

In any case, a free society doesn't have governments telling its citizens how to present opinions. This entire concept should sicken every American.

[Platapus]

This is my idea of a Fair Deal

When I say I believe in a square deal i do not mean ... to give every man the best hand. If the cards do not come to any man, or if they do come, and he has not got the power to play them, that is his affair. All I mean is that there shall be no crookedness in the dealing.

Theodore Roosevelt

[surf_ten]

I guess than it would be fair to have Rush Limbuagh share equal time on msnbc opposite Keith Olbermann. However the fairness doctrine it a oxymoron and it's real purpose is to surppress the views of the conservative speakers. It seems to me that many liberal democrats only believe in freedom of speech when it applies to their worldview. Anything contrary to their worldview is normally classified as narrowminded, racist, war mongering, hate speech.

[Thomen]

I guess than it would be fair to have Rush Limbuagh share equal time on msnbc opposite Keith Olbermann. However the fairness doctrine it a oxymoron and it's real purpose is to surppress the views of the conservative speakers. It seems to me that many liberal democrats only believe in freedom of speech when it applies to their worldview. Anything contrary to their worldview is normally classified as narrowminded, racist, war mongering, hate speech.
Well, the 'Fairness Doctrine" would only apply to Radio, AFAIK.

[SteamWake]

I guess than it would be fair to have Rush Limbuagh share equal time on msnbc opposite Keith Olbermann. However the fairness doctrine it a oxymoron and it's real purpose is to surppress the views of the conservative speakers. It seems to me that many liberal democrats only believe in freedom of speech when it applies to their worldview. Anything contrary to their worldview is normally classified as narrowminded, racist, war mongering, hate speech.
Well, the 'Fairness Doctrine" would only apply to Radio, AFAIK.

:-?

[Zachstar]

Yes Air America became a joke. before it switched hands it had the greats on air but afterwards more and more left.

These days "progressive" Talk radio is much better. Mostly a string of moderates and left Christians.

[Thomen]

Yes Air America became a joke. before it switched hands it had the greats on air but afterwards more and more left.

These days "progressive" Talk radio is much better. Mostly a string of moderates and left Christians.
You mean like NPR where nobody is listening or PBS that has hardly a significant number of viewers?

Face it, it.. if the Liberal Media (aka Liberal Talk Radio) could compete with their conservative counterparts there would be no reason to even come up with such a bogus as the Fairness Doctrine. As it is, nobody is listening to the lefty talk radio, and that's ultimately what the Democrats can't stand.. an un-countered source of criticism and no control over who is listening or not.

[Zachstar]

Huh? You do understand how the radio game works right?

ClarChan owns most of the airwaves it has a standardized programming schedule with loons that draw in loons that sell.

Air America did the same thing except the amount of absolute bat**** crazy loons on the left seems to be unable to compete for the numbers on the right.

Yes progressive talk will never bring in the many loons that will open their wallets for crappy gold schemes or whatever. As a result AM is no good in the long term.

Especially now that Sat radio receiver guts are costing ever less and less to construct. AM's days are numbered as eventually there wont be enough loons without access to the net and realistic info from a number of sources to keep the money flowing.

Frankly I do not care. I know the likes of Rush and Hannity are doing more to decimate the chances for the GOP in 2010 than "liberals" ever could. But heck if you want AM to go. Please keep badmouthing somthing that could atleast draw in a few new folk.

Edit: BTW I do not know where you get your BS about NPR and PBS as those are some of the biggest networks out there.

[Thomen]

Edit: BTW I do not know where you get your BS about NPR and PBS as those are some of the biggest networks out there.

In many cases probably because it is the only choice of radio program. At least as far NPR goes. But even that might be better than nothing to listen too at all.

[Aramike]

Isn't it telling that the liberal facists looking to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine" for talk radio aren't trying to institute a "Fairness Doctrine" for, say, the Ward Churchill-like wackos that make speaking engagements throughout acadamia? Or how about forcing each newspaper's editorial page to be split evenly between both sides of the coin?

Hell, why not just make sure every citizen who posts a political yard sign for a candidate or idea post one opposing said candidate/idea?

There are many kinds of political speech - isn't it odd how this targets only talk radio which is dominated by the right?

Seems like the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is more like the "Shut Them the Hell Up" doctrine. 1984 is only about 25 years late.

[Zachstar]

Yes conservatives had no chance when it was around last time right? :har:

[Aramike]

Yes conservatives had no chance when it was around last time right? :har:No. Didn't say that. Pick yourself off the ground. :doh:

Talk radio didn't have a chance last time around ... all that was on the air were recipes and NPR.

Oh, and my point clearly wasn't about political parties or ideologies ... it was about the targetting of the free speech of people who share an ideology. That the point complete escaped you is pretty damned hilarious though ... in a sad way.

Very typical of blind idealogues, actually. :doh:

[Zachstar]

So we traded informative radio with hours of political bullcrap. Went from being helpful to "GET YOUR ANGER UP! OTHER SIDE IS DOING SOMETHING WRONGZERS!!" "DRIVE BYS!!!"

Funny thing is. There will never be a new fairness doctrine because unlike deep right wing loons. Progressives have it where it counts. Blogs, Research and other things that put AM to shame.

We can run out the clock as people move on from the scratchy hard to receive AM bands you need a freeking giant coil antenna for to other forms of media.

If progressives running this country is your idea of 1984. Well then bring on the giant screens!

[FIREWALL]

NO MORE POSTS FROM ME ON THIS THREAD, I'M DRUNK :har:

[breadcatcher101]

I still have my grand dad's AM radio from the early '50s. I enjoy it from time to time with the static, especially when there is a thunderstorm nearby. No way does it compare to FM for sound quality, but still it is OK for the local news and some sports along with talk.

[Rockstar]

So we traded informative radio with hours of political bullcrap. Went from being helpful to "GET YOUR ANGER UP! OTHER SIDE IS DOING SOMETHING WRONGZERS!!" "DRIVE BYS!!!"

You can look at it as you see ft Zachstar. But that fact of the matter remains radio, like TV is a business. Successful ones have a format formulated to bring in money ie. listners, sponsers and advertisments. The reason anyone no matter what the political affilation or subject matter stays in BUSINESS is the number of listeners they can attract. Its all in the format. You may not like it so as you say you don't listen too it, however a majority of others do and that is what keeps shows in BUSINESS.

The station is simply finds a format that works to bring in gobs on money. Some work some don't like Air America crappy format, no listeners equaled no sponsership, no money and they finally went off air. The sole reason was because there wasn't enough listener.

Funny thing is. There will never be a new fairness doctrine because unlike deep right wing loons. Progressives have it where it counts. Blogs, Research and other things that put AM to shame.

We can run out the clock as people move on from the scratchy hard to receive AM bands you need a freeking giant coil antenna for to other forms of media.

If progressives running this country is your idea of 1984. Well then bring on the giant screens!

hello pot this is kettle

[Quillan]

There was one interesting point in that post. Therefore, the report concludes, the answer to getting equal time for "progressives" lies in mandating "localism" and "diversity" without ever needing to mention the "Fairness Doctrine."

While I find myself on the conservative side of the fence mostly, there's a lot of truth here. Once upon a time, the FCC had strong limits on the number of radio stations that could be owned by a single entity. Those rules have basically gone away, so now just a few companies own almost all the radio stations out there. This means any competition between them is mainly for show, and not real. I really do think that the big ownership groups should be broken up and control returned to local corporations.

That said, liberal talk radio failed, and continues to fail, because nobody is interested in what they say. Whether that's due to the hosts not speaking properly or the listeners having disagreements I'm not going into. However, every time they've tried it has ultimately flopped, while the conservative talk format has been going strong for years now. If someone came up with a liberal talk format that was popular, I guarantee it would get picked up. They haven't, and legislation to force it into existence is a mistake.

[SteamWake]

That said, liberal talk radio failed, and continues to fail, because nobody is interested in what they say. Whether that's due to the hosts not speaking properly .

Cue the Alec Baldwin show.

(I looked everywhere but couldent find the audio clip)

[August]

Once upon a time, the FCC had strong limits on the number of radio stations that could be owned by a single entity. Those rules have basically gone away, so now just a few companies own almost all the radio stations out there. This means any competition between them is mainly for show, and not real. I really do think that the big ownership groups should be broken up and control returned to local corporations.

Extend that to the major broadcast networks too.

[Aramike]

So we traded informative radio with hours of political bullcrap. Went from being helpful to "GET YOUR ANGER UP! OTHER SIDE IS DOING SOMETHING WRONGZERS!!" "DRIVE BYS!!!"

Funny thing is. There will never be a new fairness doctrine because unlike deep right wing loons. Progressives have it where it counts. Blogs, Research and other things that put AM to shame.

We can run out the clock as people move on from the scratchy hard to receive AM bands you need a freeking giant coil antenna for to other forms of media.

If progressives running this country is your idea of 1984. Well then bring on the giant screens!Hah, never seen a left-winger out to get rid of jobs, before... :88)