deck gun rockets

[magicsub2]

i am thinking of making a mod where you play as U-9, U-19 or U24. these where the u boats that fired short range artillery rockets at soviet shore facilities.

here is the bit in THE MANUAL:

The Germans modified three submarines of the 30th Flotilla (U-9, U-19, and U-24) to carry short-range artillery rockets in the summer of 1944. Soviet shore facilities were allegedly attacked using these weapons, but with unknown effect (if any)

this mod depends on one thing, and that is whetheryou can make the deck gun fire rockets. there are six rockets or so it appears in the picture, so the magazine of the deck gun would have to be 6. imagine surfacing just outside of a base and silently launching the rockets at the ships and slowly sinking away.

any help is appreciated.

also can anyone tell me how to script aircraft into airbases?? because I have just acquired some great aircraft from denises AIRMOD 1,2 and 3. i could script them in but it would take a long time, so i would rather put them into airbases. i was trying to translate the russia readmes but when you put them through the translator it sounds a bit strange.

[magicsub2]

ok, fine, no one can anwer the first question. :damn: :damn: :nope:

then can anyone answer the second question??:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

[magicsub2]

guess it cant be done...........

[Nikita]

IMHO I think you can't hit land targets in SH3. This issue is hardcoded and cannot be changed (well, at least until now).

[Awful Smutje]

I've just checked U-9, U-19 & U-24 on german Wikipedia.

No information or clue about any usage of, or refitting with artillery rockets...

Reference: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_U-Boote_(1935%E2%80%931945)/U_1%E2%80%93U_250 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_U-Boote_%281935%E2%80%931945%29/U_1%E2%80%93U_250)

[magicsub2]

yes, but attacking ships with rockets??

[magicsub2]

times like these when i wish there was a HMT (halo mapping tools) for sh3......

then it would be easyier then codes and such.

[A Very Super Market]

Attack ships with rockets. Why don't you just get a cold war subsim instead?

Whatever, don't want to be an ass here. I suppose you could use those rockets that the planes fire, though I have no idea if you could mod the deck gun to fire them.

[magicsub2]

thats what i was thinking

[magicsub2]

is it possible to fire the deck gun underwater? because the rockets could be fired 15 meters underwater. there is only one way to launch the rockets: the deck gun.
it would still be alright to launch rockets on the surface, better even, how could you see the ships you are going to fire at, and because i am planning to use aircraft rockets, will they be useable underwater? because in THE MANUAL it says gwx does not model the effects of rockets piercing the pressure hull underwater, anyone know why?? i am guessing that it is because it is hardcoded. but shells can pierce underwater...........:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

[Task Force]

They explode on impact with the surface. (set depth probably.)

[magicsub2]

another thing is, where those rockets loud when they launch? and did they have a flash?

and if they did not, and where silent, would it be possible for the enemy not to hear?

because the enemy works on hearing.

i once passed 2 patrol boats (british) at night, stormy weather, and they passed within 20 meters of me. they did not notice me or anything until I fired my flak gun at them. bad mistake. they noticed me and opened fire.

[urfisch]

you can be sure, the launch was loud! but it was short...

[magicsub2]

did it have a flash?

[A Very Super Market]

Are you expecting primitive (Can't think of a different word, don't nitpick) rockets not to make a loud noise and a big flash? Rockets aren't the stealthiest things...

And the patrol boats probably didn't detect you by hearing you (you were surfaced) they notices you because you shot at them

[magicsub2]

*sigh*............................Iwas hopping you wouldnt turn up...........

the whermact had rockets that silently launched and stuck to the target, usually a oil tank, and blew up at a certain time.

i wasnt firing at the patrol boats, i was firing at the water to see what they would do.

[magicsub2]

anyone have timetravelors minitweaker? it seems to have dissapeared..........

[A Very Super Market]

I don't have the slightest clue about why you dislike me so much.

Can you please back up your statement about silent and non-flash rockets? We don't even have that technology today.

[magicsub2]

lol i read it in a book, forgot what is called, and i dont dislike you its just that you have a hostile attitude to me.

[Awful Smutje]

Maybe you talking about ballistic rockets? :hmm:
Wich are started by a short burst of their rocket engines and then going down "silent" on their flightpath? (Maybe fired by the "Nebelwerfer"?)

I can't believe that the germans had "silent" rockets, the rocket engine technology was a new development in WW2. I think these rockets were really loud and noisy, with a big flash of the exhaust gases.

But really silent rockets? This sounds like sience fiction to me, like these "Nazi UFO's from the southpole" storys... :nope:

[Madox58]

Every reliable source only mentions the U-511.
And that was only proof of the concept.

The next step was the building of a delivery system for the V-2
by U-Boats.

Of which one unit was completed but never tested.
There were uncompleted units in process at Wars end.

Which tells me that delivery of the V-2 to American shores
took priority over deck launched missles.

Infact, because of the U-511 tests and information
about the possible V-2 delivery system?
The U.S. launched a very deliberate offensive
against U-Boats off the East coast believeing those were
inbound!

[magicsub2]

i have another idea, how about a super powerful rocket, a v2 moded it? and it would be real powerful and it could be possible to include a fireball when it explodes. one launch only though. it would need to be one hell of a powerful rocket.

[magicsub2]

and i was talking about a launcher that silently launches rockets. it was in a sven hassle book lol:haha:

[Awful Smutje]

i have another idea, how about a super powerful rocket, a v2 moded it? and it would be real powerful and it could be possible to include a fireball when it explodes. one launch only though. it would need to be one hell of a powerful rocket.
The next step was the building of a delivery system for the V-2
by U-Boats.

Of which one unit was completed but never tested.
There were uncompleted units in process at Wars end.

Sorry, but I see no reason why. The V-2 rocket was designed to be fired at land targets like citys or military bases. As privateer wrote: It was a DELIVERY system, not a mobile Sea to Surface launching platform. I think, the plan was to deliver the V-2 rockets to secret bases wich were in range to the US shore.

Even if the germans had tried to fire a V-2 from a U-Boat, I think this would be too dangerous for boat and crew. The exhaust gases might burn a hole in the boat and if something goes wrong there would be nothing left of the boat then a giant explosion and some flying pieces...

Furthermore, a german WW2 submarine wasn't a stable firing platform, as you can see when shooting with your deck gun. Even at calm seas, a tiny wave could cause a deviation because it's accumulating with the range of the rocket.

And, at last: Firing a V-2 at everything smaller than a battleship (because of the SH3 limitation to sea and air targets) would just be overkill...


I don't want to be a party-pooper (is this term right?), but this seems to me a bigger "what if" then the "XXIII at 1939" mod...



EDIT: I've just checked "Sven Hassel" on Wikipedia. I don't think it's a reliable source of information... Seems more fiction than fact to me.

[magicsub2]

yeah your right about the v2s, ill just stick to the original idea.

please does anyone have a link to timetravellors minitweaker?

[magicsub2]

lol one day, 5 years in the future, someone will be looking at this thread wondering why it didnt get released.........:rotfl:

[A Very Super Market]

This isn't a work in progress mod though, no one's even started.

[Fr8monkey]

Rocket launch Program (http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm)

More detailed Info (http://www.uboataces.com/articles-rocket-uboat.shtml)

[magicsub2]

good, more information. that means there would be 6 rockets, all in one magazine.oh come on, someone has got to have a copy of the minitweaker!!!

[panzer 49th]

Mini-Tweaker (http://www.savefile.com/files/684634)

:up:

[magicsub2]

thank u so much!!!!!!!!!!!!

[magicsub2]

thats the tweak files, but not the program