Spanish Navy 1939 / 1945 GWX3

[AH_Thor]

In order to improve and collaborate, you can download the spanish cruiser Canarias and the destroyers Churruca class...

http://hosted.filefront.com/AHThor

In spite of the spanish neutrality we should take into consideration the important support gave to the german U-boats and ships at the spanish harbours, so I think and proposing to give the real importancy such as the spanish Navy as the ports from now on... ;)

By the way, Churruca destroyers were one of the best destroyers in this period of time :up:

Regards

[Wreford-Brown]

Thank you AHThor. It's always great to see someone moddeling some of the less well represented nations in order to improve the realism and eye candy.

[Wolfehunter]

Hello AH Thor. Thanks for the mod. Wondering... Do I have to manually add it to the harbor or are they positioned in a spanish harbor?


Thanks for your time. :up:

[A Very Super Market]

Cool! Its nice to add a little atmosphere whenever I resupply "Das Boot" style. Now if only we could get more French ships....

Oh, and not to whale on the Spanish or anything, just saying, Churruca was based on the British Admiralty class destroyer.

[Contact]

By the way, Churruca destroyers were one of the best destroyers in this period of time :up:

:rotfl: That's a good one :)

[Hitman]

Thanks! Was about time to see some spanish warships from the civil war era :up:

I suppose there could be a way to create a new flotilla whose career starts in 1937 and is based in Cadiz to have a campaign against the republican forces? :hmm: Adding some old soviet submarines and ships it could be very interesting. Many WW2 air combat simulators have patches and mods for the spanish civil war, we should have it also :yep: the sense of covert operation and having to be extremely careful when identifying ships (Unlike after the outbreak of WW2, most of what you would see would be neutrals!) would make a for a very interesting gameplay in itself :D

[mr chris]

Thanks very much. Thor:up:
Do you have any screens of them?
@Wolfehunter
I'm sure you will have to add them to the campaign files yourself to make them show up in game though.

[Hitman]

Hmmmm in my game at least the screws of neither unit are rotating :hmm:

Also, the Canarias has one of the telemeter towers floating around at starbord, and it has three stacks instead of the historic two (Later remodelled to one IIRC).

The destroyer is excellent and matches overall well the historic one, but the cruiser seems to be simply a modified unit (Admiral Scheer?) and it doesn't look as exact.

[Wreford-Brown]

You'll also need to add the following to Data\Sea\Englishnames.cfg:
CACanarias=SPS Canarias
DDChurruca=Churruca Class

The Churruca Class destroyer model is outstanding and seems to be historically accurate:
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/aa.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/SH3Img30-12-2008_10272_375.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/SH3Img30-12-2008_102654_843.jpg
The SPS Canarias seems to look significantly different in the AHThor version. The only picture of the ship that I can find is the one below, although I'm happy to be proven wrong if someone has better RL pictures of the ship. I personally will not be using it as it seems like a renamed version of a different ship:
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/canarias.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/SH3Img30-12-2008_102631_406.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/Wreford-Brown/SH3Img30-12-2008_102644_281.jpg

[piri_reis]

Same here Hitman, both need a few fixes. The destroyer looks very good, but perhaps depth charge racks could be added to the stern. Overall good job Thor :up:

Hmmmm in my game at least the screws of neither unit are rotating :hmm:

Also, the Canarias has one of the telemeter towers floating around at starbord, and it has three stacks instead of the historic two (Later remodelled to one IIRC).

The destroyer is excellent and matches overall well the historic one, but the cruiser seems to be simply a modified unit (Admiral Scheer?) and it doesn't look as exact.

[Hitman]

It certainly did look different, with a single funnel (Although it was in fact two combined in one exit):

http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/canarias.gif

According to the info I have readed, the Canarias (And sister ship Baleares) were based in the british County-class cruisers. Hull and armament was the same, but funnels were restructured and a better armour added in the deck (The british County class cruisers had almost none there). Superstructures were also reworked with more compact and streamlined forms.


BTW, Canarias served with the fascist forces, so it is not a target for german submarines :up:

EDITED: Link in english: http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/cruisers.htm

[AH_Thor]

Thanks everyone for your support ;)

You are right...Canarias Cruiser is not historically accurate :oops: ( I´m working on that )...but, at least, he is showing part of the Spanish Navy.

Best regards :D

[Jimbuna]

Hello AH Thor. Thanks for the mod. Wondering... Do I have to manually add it to the harbor or are they positioned in a spanish harbor?


Thanks for your time. :up:

Open up the Campaign_scr in mission editor and add them to whichever ports you want http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Wreford-Brown]

Thanks everyone for your support ;)

You are right...Canarias Cruiser is not historically accurate :oops: ( I´m working on that )...but, at least, he is showing part of the Spanish Navy.

Best regards :D

Excellent work, especially on the Churruca. I can't wait for you to complete the SPS Canarias - it'll be a great addition especially given it's fighting history in the Nationalist Navy sinking 34 ships. I also didn't know that she searched for survivors of the Bismarck.

If there was ever an excuse for scripting a Spanish ship into the campaign that would be it! It would be awesome.

[coronas]

Many thanks, AH_Thor: Spanish ships are a gratefull surprise.
They were mistaken with British warships very often and large Spanish flags were painted over the hull.
http://escoben.favshare.com/full.php/canarias11.jpg
Cruiser Canarias was fitted with excellent German telemeters (British didn't supplied because of Civil War). She sunk destroyer Ferrandiz by three salvoes from 16 to 20 Km of distance!

[Wolfehunter]

Hello AH Thor. Thanks for the mod. Wondering... Do I have to manually add it to the harbor or are they positioned in a spanish harbor?


Thanks for your time. :up:
Open up the Campaign_scr in mission editor and add them to whichever ports you want http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gifThanks I know that. I was hoping or maybe wishing I didn't have to...;)

[Schöneboom]

Hola, Kamaraden,

As a student of La Guerra Civil, I agree there is potential for an interesting campaign in Spain, before & during WWII. After all, U-boats & Italian subs were involved in the Civil War, for example, to enforce the blockade (naturally, they tended to intercept Soviet shipments to the Republic). Also there was the secret "Operation Ursula" that our Spanish friends are very familiar with, por supuesto. So carry on, I look forward to seeing what you develop!

[AH_Thor]

Uhmmm...,

Of course, I´m interested in a campaign on the spanish civil war but being honest and realistic, I am more interested in developping Navies as Spain Navy :D, neutral but supporting Axis countries ;), at least for the first years of the war...

Also, for those who are playing "hard realistic", it could be more nice and more difficult to shoot or not, to sink or not neutral or enemy ships, it deppend on the period of time or just the "flag" :know:

Happy new year with a lot of victories :up:

[A Very Super Market]

So you're going to make other navies' ships? How about adding the French ones?

[AH_Thor]

I´ll do my best...starting with Spain ;)

Best regards :up:

[mr chris]

Good luck AH_Thor:up:
I look forward to seeing where this goes in the future.
It is very good to have another ship builder in the community.

[geosub1978]

Here issomething from Jane's Fighting Ships of WWII.http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8325/front001vm4.jpg

[mr chris]

She does have a very stump looking bridge.

[Klaus_Doldinger]

BTW, Canarias served with the fascist forces, so it is not a target for german submarines :up:

Fascist forces? Who were they?

[A Very Super Market]

Spanish civil war. Fascist Franco versus Nationalists. FF won, and Canarias was on his side. FF was also a Third Reich ally, but he and Hitler hated each other, and Spain never joined Axis or Ally

Still, no sinking neutral ships anyways..

[Nekh]

There were no fascist forces as such. The closest was La Falange, which was part of the Nationalists and was discredited some time after, during the terrible post-war years (their economic model focused on autarchy).
Both sides were an alliance of sorts (often in conflict) between different factions; fascists, conservatives, Catholics, monarchists and so on for the Nationalists and democrats, anarchists, separatists, commies and such for the Republicans.

As for the reasons why Spain did not enter the war, the fascists wanted to, but pretty much nobody else. The military (Admiral Carrero Blanco) discouraged such an intervention. Spain had been devastated by the Civil War and Hitler could not guarantee grain supply. He did not want to antagonize Vichy France either by giving in to Franco's territorial demands in Africa.

[Hitman]

Fascist forces? Who were they?

Nekh is of course right, there were many different factions in each side, but I write fascist forces here for our english speaking friends because if you are foreigner and don't know well the spanish history, it's easy to misunderstand everything. For example, if I talk about the "nationalist forces" that could be for a brit or a german either the catalonian and basque nationalists (Which were aligned with the communists and anarchists against Franco and co), or the "spanish" nationalists instead (Franco and co). Usually outside Spain everyone identifies "fascist" with Franco (Even if Franco himself was not fascist), and that makes it easier to understand who am I referring to. The spanish civil war is a too complicated historical affair, there were so many causes and factions involved that unless someone is interested in getting deep into it, just speaking of "fascists" as opposed to "republicans" is what usually works better to make foreigners understand what you are talking about.

And now, please let's get back to the SH3 mod :up:, we don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion that belongs to the General Topics forum.

[Klaus_Doldinger]

You´re right, Hitman. I forgot that most people in this forum has no enough information about the Spanish Second Republic, the Civil War and Franco´s dictatorship. My apologies, I didn´t try to turn this thread into a political discussion between spaniards with foreign help on both sides;).

BTW, nice work with Churruca, AH_Thor!:up:

[AH_Thor]

Thanks Klaus :D

[AH_Thor]

File modified:

Canarias C. deleted :down:

Destroyer Churruca class updated accondingly, incluiding Argentina :up:

Remember to update in data-Sea-EnglishNames(French or German)- DDChurruca=Churruca Class

Enjoy it ;)


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[AH_Thor]

A new Campaing has been created by Wreford-Brown, incluiding Churruca destroyers - spanish and argentina - :up:, you will find all the explanations to run it without problems...enjoy :D

Regards :oops:

[nautilus42]

Hi AH_Thor,

the Controller_ID`s at your NDD_Churruca have the same ID`s as the NDD_C & D. Pack3d cloned not the Controllers in the Ship.dat_files. With same Controller_ID`s it will maybe conflicts in game, maybe to CTD. Also Node 14, 21 & 121 have the same name, it`s better to renamed Node 21 to NDD_Churruca_B and Node 121 to NDD_Churruca_F.

Kind regards

nautilus42

[Sailor Steve]

More cool stuff! Thanks again!:rock:

[AH_Thor]

Hello nautilus42,

I have had playing the firts campaing created by Wreford-Brown without any conflicts :) and I could test everyone playing the campaing .
Nevetheless I will make the modifications according to your message if I find any problem/conflict or if I receive input about it, logically, the best way it should be to test and to be sure before changing anything :oops:

Thanks a lot for your comments :up:

[asanovic7]

mod still on ff and is it working ok with gwx 3.0?

Thanks in advance!

[Jimbuna]

Hello nautilus42,

I have had playing the firts campaing created by Wreford-Brown without any conflicts :) and I could test everyone playing the campaing .
Nevetheless I will make the modifications according to your message if I find any problem/conflict or if I receive input about it, logically, the best way it should be to test and to be sure before changing anything :oops:

Thanks a lot for your comments :up:

It certainly conflicts with my GWX3.0 installation.

[AH_Thor]

Could you please let us know the conflics founds ?

Could it be your activated mods?

Regards :-?

[Jimbuna]

Could you please let us know the conflics founds ?

Could it be your activated mods?

Regards :-?

Most definitely....took the Churruca out and everything is working normal again (too busy at the moment to take a detailed look)

Do you have a link to the latest file and I'll try not to be so lazy in the near future and will look for the cause. :up:

[Sirkam]

Cool. Im from spain and it's true. The Spanish navy "supports" the U-boat operations. This mod implements the DD's on the GWX 3.0 campaign?

[AH_Thor]

TOO BUSY? BUSY? WHO IS NOT BUSY ? :up: