[REL] VAA soviet battleships

[denis_469]

Hi all!

VAA release 3 soviet battleships with weapons. Excellent units!

For read and d/l:
http://www.forum.six-oceans.ru/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=1670#p1670

If you wish thanks VAA you can write in this forum.

[Hunter]

How about other units?

[tomhugill]

Wow looks awesome , i recognize those from navy field :D

[Turbografx]

Mmm...pre-dreadnought!

[linerkiller]

Mmm...pre-dreadnought!:hmm: Pre dreadnoughts? Not at all...the petropavlovsk class was a pure russian dreadnought design:armed with 12 305mm guns:up: I think that the last pre-dreadnought class of the Russian Navy was the Borodino-class:hmm:

[Carotio]

Nice work :up:

[ivank]

I second Carotio

[Rockin Robbins]

Denis, I could have predicted many things for SH4 but Russian battleships? Never! That's amazing. Those are the strangest looking targets I ever saw.:rotfl:Great work on ships little known to Americans.

Ivank! You and skwasjer have created a collection of MONSTERS! I hope we have links to all these great surface ships collected in one place, with missions too.:rock:

[Turbografx]

Mmm...pre-dreadnought!:hmm: Pre dreadnoughts? Not at all...the petropavlovsk class was a pure russian dreadnought design:armed with 12 305mm guns:up: I think that the last pre-dreadnought class of the Russian Navy was the Borodino-class:hmm:


Ah you are right of course, I was thinking of the 1890's class Petropavlovsk, this is the Gangut class.


EDIT: Now we just need to get it in campaign! Does anyone know if the Russian community has a made a Russian speech mod?

[GerritJ9]

For those that want another Soviet battleship in SH4: OM (Operation Monsun) contains the British "R" class battleship. One of these, HMS "Royal Sovereign", was temporarily transferred to the Soviet Navy in 1944, renamed "Arkhangelsk" and returned to the RN in 1948. This was done pending the final settlement/division of the Italian Navy's warships among the Allies.
"Arkhangelsk"'s DOC in the Soviet Navy was 29/8/1944, returned to the RN on 4/2/1949 and scrapped.

[Hunter]

If there is Omacha class converted from SH4 one piece can be used as Mourmansk cruiser as USS Milwakee was transvered to Soviet Norther fleet along with Royal Sovereign.

[nautilus42]

If there is Omacha class converted from SH4 one piece can be used as Mourmansk cruiser as USS Milwakee was transvered to Soviet Norther fleet along with Royal Sovereign.

HI Hunter,
do you mean maybe this?

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/trainer1942/NCL_Murmansk.jpg

This is a cloned NCL_Omaha, remapping all Controller & Propperties_ID`s, new Texture, with russ. Shipplane, still Stock_SH4_Weapons and Crew.
If any one wan`t it, I will upload it to my Filefrontpage.:rock:

greetz.
nautilus42/trainer1942

[Buhring]

Any plans to do these ships for SH3-GWX too?

Thx

Buhring

[Hunter]

Exactly!

[revan999]

Alrighty , I really don't know what to do with the files now that I have them. I tried using JSGME to get them in game but I can't find them any where. Also another question is the Sevastopal her self in the group or just three ships of the Gangut-class? *I expect flaming I know I'm a noob when it comes to things like this :(*

[tater]

They'd need to be added to a campaign.

If there are no russian campaign layers pulling "generic" warships, you'll never see them.

tater

[GerritJ9]

"Sevastopol" was renamed "Parishkaya Kommuna" in the 1920s, but reverted to her original name in 1943. "Gangut" was renamed "Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya" and retained this name to the end of her career. "Petropavlovsk" became "Marat" and was sunk in shallow water off Kronshtadt by Stukas.in September 1941. Two of her main turrets were restored to service, but the wreck was never fully repaired and was scrapped postwar. The fourth ship, "Poltava", was renamed "Mikhail Frunze" but was never commissioned in the Soviet Navy, as she was severely damaged by two fires and not considered worth repairing, though the hulk was not scrapped until the 1950s.
Ironically, the only significant parts of Russia's dreadnought fleet still in existence come from "Poltava/Frunze". Her four main turrets were removed and placed in storage, and two were shipped to Vladivostok in the 1930s, where they were installed in a shore battery on Russky Ostrov. The other two turrets remained in storage until Fort Maksim Gorky, which was destroyed during the siege of Sevastopol in 1942, was rebuilt postwar. These triple turrets replaced Gorky's original twin 12" turrets. All four turrets remained in service for many years, only being decommissioned in the 1990s, and can now be inspected by visitors/tourists.

[Te Kaha]

There's also a picture of the French BB Dunkerque, but couldn't find the download. Does anyone know if and where it is available?

[jmardlin]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Dunkerque-1.jpg/800px-Dunkerque-1.jpg Here is a picture of the Dunkerque. wiki has several others Here are more http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.modelwarships.com/features/archives/dunkerque/dunkerque_11.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.modelwarships.com/features/archives/dunkerque/dunkerque.htm&usg=__KUCrKBA7lSXOwI0hDAovu2clKdU=&h=416&w=798&sz=47&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=skjHUU86lwusKM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDunkerque%2Bbattleship%26um%3D1%26hl% 3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[Te Kaha]

Thanks jmardlin, maybe I wasn't precise enough, but I was asking for the download of the Dunkerque model as shown on the 4th picture at the link of post #1.

[Starforce2]

where would one find soviet naval power in ww2? Norway?

[Hunter]

Actually only in Kronshtadt base on Baltic sea and Sevastopol and Poti harbours on Black sea were those old battleships had spent the entire wartime. Sea war on the east took place mostly in support of ground battles due to limited theaters and lack of axis naval forces arround. As for convoy duties in areas affected by German submarines the most active area was the Arctic on North fro Norway, but the largest Soviet ships there were destroyers of "7", Novik and Town classes as well as submarines.

[miner1436]

Does anyone still have this mod? The link won't work.

[denis_469]

Does anyone still have this mod? The link won't work.

Write me PM with you e-mail and I send you in letter.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Is there a link still to obtain these Soviet ships? i looked at the link in the openning post and it was just to a forum all in Russian. thanks for any info.

[denis_469]

Is there a link still to obtain these Soviet ships? i looked at the link in the openning post and it was just to a forum all in Russian. thanks for any info.

Link in first post is dead... So read my post before you.

[Starforce2]

dumb question..did the russians send warships to the pacific for any reason?

[Hunter]

dumb question..did the russians send warships to the pacific for any reason?

If you mean battleships, than no 4 of this class were presented only in Baltic, Black and Arctic seas. If you mean navy than there was Pacific fleet based in Vladivostok of 2 Kirov class cruisers, destroyers, submarines etc. During wartime a group of submarines was transferd from Pacific fleet to Arctic one via Pacific ocean, Panama channel and Atlantic. Other Pacific fleet ships stayed in homewaters as USSR stayed in armed neutrality with Japan till 9 August 1945.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

There was a brief war between the Soviets and Japan in 1939 some 15,000 Japanese combat casualties..dont know about Russian. After that, STalin very craftily kept peace with Japan even tho he sort of promised the Allies to go to war with them.... he only declared war at the very end of the conflict to gain territory in Manchuria and regain some lost resources. It is a gray area for western historians and I would welcome knowning more about it. Sadly the Russian Navy was decimated by purges and the experienced officers were few and far between. The "soviet" cells of equals did not work too well on shipboard in actual action. it was a sad state for a once very proud navy that was started with great effort by Peter the Great. The sad remnants of the WWI era fleet lingered on some of them, in Medditerranean ports with surviving Imperial Russian Naval officers and their familes embarked and living as sea gypsies. I dont know what happened to those wandering Czarist Fleet units but it was a remarkable time.

The Gangut class were an interesting and revolutinary (no pun intended) concept that was not followed by many other navies. There was little top hamper to impede gun action, the Russian experience from the Russon Japanese war and the fleeting and fast nature of actions in the Baltic in WWI had taken them down some unusual paths in ship design. It never had much action, so it is hard to judge if the idea was a succes or not. But due to the purges there was literaly no way to crew those huge ships successfully and they were usually used as mobile batteries when there was amunition for their guns and fuel and parts to make them run.

There was no way to find a link for downloading...or any way to tell which area of that forum had the ships...can anyone post a link for the actual download and the section about the mod? thanks

[Hunter]

STalin very craftily kept peace with Japan even tho he sort of promised the Allies to go to war with them.... he only declared war at the very end of the conflict to gain territory in Manchuria and regain some lost resources. It is a gray area for western historians and I would welcome knowning more about it.
There is no enigma. Soviet participation in war with Japan after achiving victory over Germany, which was concidered by Allies as principal goal of the war was negotiated at the Great Three conferences in Tehran, Yalta, and Potsdam. I think there should be a lot books in those conferences.

But due to the purges there was literaly no way to crew those huge ships successfully and they were usually used as mobile batteries when there was amunition for their guns and fuel and parts to make them run.
Actully, there is little connection between purges and Gamgut class way of deploying as well as defeats of 1941 as it has many reasons. The Gaguts were designed to be mobile batteries to enforce mine and artillery barrage planed by Russian Imperial Naval Staff for defence of the capital in St.Petersburg during WW1. In similar role they were used after the Germans had locked Soviet Fleet in the eastern part of Baltic sea by mines. Concidering that they had no place to sail secured from mines and their ammo which was produced during WW1 and stored in Kronstadt - the base were they have spent the whole war, the only problem was German dive bombers.

I dont know what happened to those wandering Czarist Fleet units but it was a remarkable time.
They were disbanded and ships scrapped for depts during 1920s after France has offivialy recognised Soviet Russia.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

All Good points Hunter, thanks for your post you evidently know a lot about that era...it is hard to get information here on some of the details, tho i read quite a bit and found some interesting books on the subject back in teh 1970's, thanks for the details and your very interesting replies.

It was certainly a challenging time. My great respect to the Soviet and Russian naval tradditoin which was worked and fought for very hard for hundreds of years. The challenge of having to maintain fleets in such distance places as the Baltic, the Black Sea and the Pacific were immense and the challenges of the times, too, the tragedies of the Russo-Japanese war and the loss of some of the leading officers, the difficulties of the changing political situations, the turmoil after WWI, and the challenges of the Stalin era all were immense. And the incredible build up of the Soviet Fleet and the sad state of things now, with units rusting and sinking at anchor, ...what a story it has been. And thru it all tremendous courage and determination by the fleet and the command to keep going. It is a remarkable saga and one that commands great respect.:salute:

[keltos01]

All Good points Hunter, thanks for your post you evidently know a lot about that era...it is hard to get information here on some of the details, tho i read quite a bit and found some interesting books on the subject back in teh 1970's, thanks for the details and your very interesting replies.

It was certainly a challenging time. My great respect to the Soviet and Russian naval tradditoin which was worked and fought for very hard for hundreds of years. The challenge of having to maintain fleets in such distance places as the Baltic, the Black Sea and the Pacific were immense and the challenges of the times, too, the tragedies of the Russo-Japanese war and the loss of some of the leading officers, the difficulties of the changing political situations, the turmoil after WWI, and the challenges of the Stalin era all were immense. And the incredible build up of the Soviet Fleet and the sad state of things now, with units rusting and sinking at anchor, ...what a story it has been. And thru it all tremendous courage and determination by the fleet and the command to keep going. It is a remarkable saga and one that commands great respect.:salute:

true

keltos

[Hunter]

Admiral Von Gerlach and keltos01,

Yes, history is my greates interest and hobby. And it is extremely complicated with all that events that took part in this part of the world within the last century. Thanks for your kind responds:salute:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

It is great to have your posts and sharing, it is a subject that has long deeply interested me, and some of the little known Russian fleet enounters in WWI and after have long been a interest of mine. If only the Allies had been able to break the Dardinelles blockade and allowed the Black Sea Fleet to get out :) so many if onlys. Years ago i was able to read two very interesting books, one was the account of a Imperial Russian officer from a light cruiser after one of the major battles in the Russo Japanese war, very gripping and moving account of much heroisim and the other book was by a ordinary crewman on an Imperial Russian torpedo boat during and after WWI, and how difficult it had been to keep parts and ammunition and then to navigate the political seas....the crew and the boat managed to survive but it was an amazing tale. thanks for your sharing.

[GerritJ9]

I can highly recommend "The Russian Fleet 1914-1917" by René Greger...... if you can still find it, that is. My copy was published by Ian Allan in 1972- originally it was published in German. The book's SBN: 7110 0255 x.
It contains lots of photos, not only of the Dreadnoughts but also of the minor warships- destroyers, submarines, gunboats, minesweepers etc etc.
The text is limited, but it does contain useful info about the most important actions/activities of the Baltic, Black Sea and even Arctic fleets. Also tables of losses on both sides and more.

The "Gangut" design (and that of the "Imperatritsa Mariya") was actually quite similar to the Italian "Dante Alighieri", Italy's first Dreadnought. It would be more correct to say that the Russian designs followed the "Dante" design than the other way round, as the Italian ship came first.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Thanks Gerrit, will look up that title. Sounds very interesting.

That was a remarkable and quite revolutionary design, moving most of the top hamper belowdecks, and giving the main battery a clear field of fire. I am not sure where the train and aim stops were on the turrets amidship but i am sure they were much better than could be on some of the other contemporary ship designs. Of course probably the most bizarre and unique dreadnought design of that era was the HMS Agincourt, but that is another story :)

[trynnallen]

I can highly recommend "The Russian Fleet 1914-1917" by René Greger...... if you can still find it, that is. My copy was published by Ian Allan in 1972- originally it was published in German. The book's SBN: 7110 0255 x.
It contains lots of photos, not only of the Dreadnoughts but also of the minor warships- destroyers, submarines, gunboats, minesweepers etc etc.
The text is limited, but it does contain useful info about the most important actions/activities of the Baltic, Black Sea and even Arctic fleets. Also tables of losses on both sides and more.

The "Gangut" design (and that of the "Imperatritsa Mariya") was actually quite similar to the Italian "Dante Alighieri", Italy's first Dreadnought. It would be more correct to say that the Russian designs followed the "Dante" design than the other way round, as the Italian ship came first.


I would hope they looked like the Alighieri's. The Russians asked the Italians for help with the design and techinecal advise building them.

[GerritJ9]

"Dante Alighieri" was designed by Cuniberti, and the Russian Navy adopted the same arrangement (known as the "Cuniberti arrangement") for the heavy guns of the "Gangut", "Imperatritsa Mariya" and "Borodino" classes. The internal arrangements of "Dante" and the Russian ships differed considerably, however. "Dante" had two of her boiler rooms placed between the first and second main turrets, the forward boiler rooms were similarly located in the Russian ships. However, the Russians placed the remaining boilers between the second and third turrets, whereas "Dante" had her main turbines located there; her aft boiler rooms were placed between the third and fourth main turrets, in the space occupied by the main turbines in the Russian ships. "Dante" could therefore easily be recognized at a distance by the much wider spacing of her funnels; furthermore, she had four slim funnels whereas the Russian ships had two much larger funnels.

[seaplate hitman]

sorry i am sorry that the download link is not avaliable now . gentle man please give me an effective one ?