Is SH3 superior to SH4 in your opinion?

[conus00]

I can't help it but I had to start thread like this. Most of you will probably consider this just a random, drunk rant (well, I have been drinking whiskey while fixing tomorrow's Christmas dinner :D) but here is my thought: I've been playing SHIII and SH4 (+UBM) for some time and there something just not 100% right about the SH4. I can't quite put my finger on it but SH4 is missing something. Something substantial to make me believe that I am really a Kaleun on u-boat in WW2.
Granted, SH4 has definitely better graphics and ship/sub models, great explosions and the sea looks so REAL that I feel I am gonna get seasick right in front of my monitor but otherwise is just not quite it.
For some reason the colors seem to be "washed out" and the whole thing just has very surreal feel to it. No matter how many MODs I download it just does not cut it for me. Why is that?

On the other hand SH3 feels REAL. Regardless less polygon models of crew, subs, ships not fancy explosions for some reason it is VERY believable. The colors, maps, crew outfits, the whole enviroment somehow just feels RIGHT.

Go figure.

If I had one Christmas wish (games related anyway) I'd wish there was a way how to implement SHIV sea, hi-polygon graphics and effects in SHIII engine and that would make the SHIII just the only u-boat simulator I would ever need.

Anyhow, it is 4:05 am December 24st here in Ohio so where, the heck, is GWX 3.0??? :rotfl:

Cheers (off to another Jack and Coke),
-L

[Dowly]

Wroooong freaking forum! :D

[danlisa]

IMHO, it boils down to the players geographical location.

Being a UK resident means that I have been schooled about WWII and therefore I have more of a vested interest/understanding in the Atlantic battles.

Likewise, US residents, have been schooled about their Pacific conflict. They will have a greater understanding of the units & people involved in that theatre.

Neither is more 'real' than the other, it's still a game. It only feels more 'real' based on the users historical preference.

Edit - Dowly, why are you still conscious? Glug, glug.......*hic*

[HunterICX]

Edit - Dowly, why are you still conscious? Glug, glug.......*hic*

Why aren't you singing yet :smug:

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Edit - Dowly, why are you still conscious? Glug, glug.......*hic*
I gotta wait till the evening. Need to go see my grandparents and all that crap. :-? Stupid Christmas. :nope:

EDIT: ROFL @ Hunter :rotfl:

[Frame57]

SH3 is fun if you like being bored out of your gord and the only thing to do is make sure your crew gets nappy time...ugh!

[Raptor1]

I have concluded after unbiased reviewing both side's statements, that the answer is...Pizza!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Wroooong freaking forum! :D


Chill out, Dowly, it's cool :D ;)
Btw, did you intentionally pick a chaos knight from Warhammer for your sig or did you just think it was a cool pic? I'm just curious.


Back to OT. Imo, Sh4 isn't necessarily missing things that sh3 has, but it's missing a lot of stuff that GWX has. I know what you mean, though.
My biggest complaint would be lack of U-boats. It's still a fun game but it seems too easy for a subsim. The aircraft are way too easy to kill, way too plentiful and really really bad shots. The crew voices, while nice, are kind of repetitive and robotic after a while.

Somehow, despite the environment enhancements and graphics, it feels too much like a game. Not once have I had the urge to sit back on the con or in my bunk and read a little from a good book at 1x while enjoying the sounds of the ocean, and occasionally panning the camera to enjoy the view. I suspect that may be because I always studied the Battle of the Atlantic, though. It's a better-known theater, and perhaps that is what seems out of place?

[Dowly]

Wroooong freaking forum! :D

Chill out, Dowly, it's cool :D ;)
Btw, did you intentionally pick a chaos knight from Warhammer for your sig or did you just think it was a cool pic? I'm just curious.
Picked it as I play a Chaos Chosen (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/ChosenOne.jpg) on Warhammer Online, and besides, the Chaos guys are just so darn cool. :p

[Takeda Shingen]

Wroooong freaking forum! :D
Really? This thread will no doubt provoke the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. Accordingly, it would seem right at home on GT.

[AVGWarhawk]

I like English muffins over bisquits. There is more knooks and crannys to hold the butter and jam.

[subchaser12]

I think it's the engine noises. The boats in Sh3 have this loud engine. You feel like you are flanking. SH4 boats are too quiet even at flank and on the bridge.

I think this is why people say they can't get into SH4 and they don't know why. I think the quiet engines have a subtle subconcious effect.

[Raptor1]

I think it's the engine noises. The boats in Sh3 have this loud engine. You feel like you are flanking. SH4 boats are too quiet even at flank and on the bridge.

I think this is why people say they can't get into SH4 and they don't know why. I think the quiet engines have a subtle subconcious effect.

But ze quiet engines, zey fool ze DDz!, iz brilliant!

[Fincuan]

I prefer white mulled wine to the red one, but either goes if it's the only one served.

Almost as natural a choice as picking SH4 over SH3(I uninstalled SH3 months ago) :lol:

[GoldenRivet]

sorry conus... not only is this the wrong forum, but this topic has been discussed ad nauseum and usually results in a locked thread :nope:

[Frame57]

So where does it belong??? Oh yeah, in the SH3-no SH4-no SH3-no SH4- no SH3...give me a break, will all the repetative crap we see here, someone cannot thread a SUBSIM question in the general section??? Please sir may I have some more political.....

[AVGWarhawk]

I just want to know one thing, where does the white go when the snow melts? :hmm:

[mookiemookie]

I like both. SH4 had a less polished feel to it, but that's compared to SH3 with GWX. I'm anxiously awaiting their work on SH4.

[subchaser12]

Please sir may I have some more political.....


You commie loving piece of America hating liberal trash!!!

That make you feel more at home? :lol:

[Hylander_1314]

I prefer Spatlese, und Auslese to California Zynfandels.

Growing up in a Navy home and family, I got bothsides Atlantic and Pacific. I like SH4, as it's more widesreen friendly. Still can't get SH3 to run right in widescreen. Everytime I try one of the tweaks, the game crashes. So even though I may want to take a spin in the Atlantic, it looks weird at 1024 x 768 on a 28 inch widescreen that runs at 1920 x 1200. The Jap planes being easier to shoot down? Lets see, no self sealing fuel tanks, no pilot / crew protection, and lots of tracer rounds :arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!: .

Actually I never liked the planes in either game as the big multiengine planes dive on you like Vals and Stuks, and turn like Spitfires and Zeros. Watching a Betty or a Mavis dive like a Val? Should be watching the wings rip off the things in the power dive. Same thing for the Sunderland and B-24.

[Jimbuna]

I just want to know one thing, where does the white go when the snow melts? :hmm:

I'm not really sure :hmm:

Just don't eat the snow if it's yellow :lol:

[The Haint]

And don't you eat that yellow snow. "

F. Zappa

[Madox58]

Anyhow, it is 4:05 am December 24st here in Ohio so where, the heck, is GWX 3.0??? :rotfl:



GWX 3.0 is sitting roughly 67.6 miles north of you.
;)

[Faamecanic]

SH4 was OK in my book.... BUT I still prefer SH3 vanilla to compare apples to apples (and with GWX there is NO comparison).. The reason why 1) SH4 "boat on a rail" ...no realistic rocking, boat comes 3/4 out of the water in High waves..etc etc... 2) I kept getting the same missions over and over and over and over... got old real quick. and this was with all patches applied 3) AI was incredibly stupid (Destroyer AI that is). The Destroyers would hardly EVER try and hunt me after I hit a convoy... at least SH3 vanilla they did.

I stopped playing SH4 looooong ago and removed from my HDD.... but SH3 with GWX lives on and I would guess a hole is wearing in the disk area where it resides due to me playing it so much.

[Laufen zum Ziel]

OH No, not again....

What ever happened to freedom of choice without getting
ragged?

http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/laufen345/th_98-animate.gif

[conus00]

Anyhow, it is 4:05 am December 24st here in Ohio so where, the heck, is GWX 3.0??? :rotfl:


GWX 3.0 is sitting roughly 67.6 miles north of you.
;)

I am not sure what you mean? 67.6 miles north of me is Mansfield, OH.... :D:D:D
Anyhow, how the heck, I make GWX 3.0 move 67.6 miles on the southern course? :rotfl:

[Madox58]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:

[irish1958]

Orginal question: YES

[FIREWALL]

Am I missing something here ? Why remove either one ?

Or are your hdd's like your privates.... small :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

If a bear farts in the forest... and there's no one around to smell it... does it still make a stink? :88)

Die thread DIE!

[conus00]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:

Well, it's already made it's way to Dublin. :D
You're either in Bucyrus or New Winchester. :hmm:

[HunterICX]

Die thread DIE!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! !!

HunterICX

[Iron Budokan]

I like Sh3 and my little boy likes Sh4. To each his own. :up:

[Madox58]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:

You're either in Bucyrus or New Winchester. :hmm:

Both are still a bit East of me.
;)

[Dowly]

If a bear farts in the forest... and there's no one around to smell it... does it still make a stink? :88)

Depends if it's a stinker or not. :know:

[THE_MASK]

this may help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCftAR3xVd4&feature=related

[conus00]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:
You're either in Bucyrus or New Winchester. :hmm:
Both are still a bit East of me.
;)

Monett, Wyandot, Nevada, Edenville or Upper Sundusky.
Or else you are not on the Mapquest, buddy! :rotfl:

[Madox58]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:
You're either in Bucyrus or New Winchester. :hmm:
Both are still a bit East of me.
;)

Monett, Wyandot, Nevada, Edenville or Upper Sundusky.
Or else you are not on the Mapquest, buddy! :rotfl:

One of those is correct.
:up:

[Silverleaf]

Nice to see some Ohio guys around. It seems that all the different forums I'm a member of, there isn't anyone within Nuke radius..give or take a couple megatons..

New Philadelphia by the way...:ping:

[conus00]

Mansfield is about 30 miles East of me.
:rotfl:
You're either in Bucyrus or New Winchester. :hmm:
Both are still a bit East of me.
;)
Monett, Wyandot, Nevada, Edenville or Upper Sundusky.
Or else you are not on the Mapquest, buddy! :rotfl:
One of those is correct.
:up:

C'mon man, give up. I tried. :rotfl:

[Madox58]

I'm in Nevada, Ohio Guys.
:rock:

And I've been MANY times in your areas.
:lol:

Perhaps we can have a small get together sometime?
:hmm: