[REL] Hitman's In Game Torpedo Spread Angle Calculator

[Nisgeis]

What a mouthful, so let's just called it a TSAC for short. This little mod will insert on the attack map a chart that graphically solves the equations to work out the angular length of a target at various ranges and Angles on the bow. It looks like this:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/Nisgeis/SubSim/InGameTSAC.jpg

There's a PDF included so you can print out a higher resolution (and much easier to read) version. The PDF also has three examples of how to use it to get the length of a target. Using this chart, you can work out how much spread to use to get 100% coverage on a target and therefore work out any other combination of spread percentagtes. The great advantage to this chart is the reduction of errors made whilst trying to calculate the various factors and once you are used to it, it's very simple to get a quick spread coverage.

Firstly, get the Torpedo Track Angle from the TDC:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/Nisgeis/SubSim/TorpedoTrackAngle.jpg

Use this on the chart by finding the target's length and then following round the length lines to the corresponding angle. This graphically solves the change in apparent target length from actual target length due to the foreshortening effect of not being dead on 90 degrees.

Then find out the torped run time, at the end of the torpedo projected path line:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/Nisgeis/SubSim/TorpedoRunTime.jpg

Then look up the torpedo run length from that time for the speed of your torpedo. Normally the TDC would give you the torpedo run length, but that's not something we have the luxury of in SH4 yet, so we'll have to settle for looking it up in the table for now. This gives you the torpedo run length, so you can now move along from the apparent target length you have until you hit the run length line that corresponds to your torpedo's run length. Moving upwards from this line to the top will give you the apparent target length in degrees for your target at that AoB and range. You can then use this to place your spreads.

For example, if your target will have an angular length of 5 degrees at the time of torpedo impact, then you can fire one torpedo 2.5 degrees left, one at 0 to hit the MOT (Middle of Target) and one 2.5 degeres right. I would recommend shooting aft, MOT then bow to get the best divergent spread.

Install with JSGME, but if you have a mod that has already modified the meu_1024_768.ini file, then there are instructions in the readme file that tell you how to add it manually - just remove the menu_1024_768.ini file from the mod folder and follow the instructions.

Thanks to Hitman for doing all the work for getting it into the game - something that i would not have thought thought of and also for the instructions for manually adding it in.

Also thanks to the USS Torsk Volunteer Association, without whom this chart would probably have been forgotten.

Oh yes, almost forgot! The download link is here:

http://files.filefront.com/Hitmans+In+Game+TSAC+v21zip/;12301195;/fileinfo.html

[DeepIron]

That is friggin' cool... Gotta try it! Thx dudes!:up:

[Ivan Putski]

Nice mod, will give it a go. thanks. Puts:up:

[IronPerch]

Looks nice and handy! Hitman has many techniques and "paper gizmos" that should be converted to ingame mod's.... Also placing this kind of tools to attack map is very good idea. Finaly something use for it :D

Any change to have the tga-file with metric values? I tried to play the game with imperial units, but i found that the metric system was "hardcoded" on me...

[Nisgeis]

Any change to have the tga-file with metric values? I tried to play the game with imperial units, but i found that the metric system was "hardcoded" on me...

That's strange, imperial measurements work for me. What doesn't work for you? The yard ranges on the chart are only derived for torpedo run time, so it makes no difference if the game is in imperial or metric, the time will always work out the correct value for the torpedo run length.

[IronPerch]

Any change to have the tga-file with metric values? I tried to play the game with imperial units, but i found that the metric system was "hardcoded" on me...

That's strange, imperial measurements work for me. What doesn't work for you? The yard ranges on the chart are only derived for torpedo run time, so it makes no difference if the game is in imperial or metric, the time will always work out the correct value for the torpedo run length.

We'll the game works fine... I tried to say (many times i try to say something, but native english speakers seem to understand it a bit differently :D ) that the metric system is hardcoded in my head and i find myself converting the units while playing so i decided to stay with the metric units even with the fleet boats... I requested the metric version because all the other tools in my game are also using metric units :|\\

[Nisgeis]

We'll the game works fine... I tried to say (many times i try to say something, but native english speakers seem to understand it a bit differently :D ) that the metric system is hardcoded in my head and i find myself converting the units while playing so i decided to stay with the metric units even with the fleet boats... I requested the metric version because all the other tools in my game are also using metric units :|\\

Oh I see, I thought you meant hardcoded in the game, not your head :D. The torpedo run lengths in yards aren't connected to anything in the game (ie, it's NOT range to target), so a metric version would make no difference at all, as it's all based on the time of the torpedo run.

[IronPerch]

We'll the game works fine... I tried to say (many times i try to say something, but native english speakers seem to understand it a bit differently :D ) that the metric system is hardcoded in my head and i find myself converting the units while playing so i decided to stay with the metric units even with the fleet boats... I requested the metric version because all the other tools in my game are also using metric units :|\\

Oh I see, I thought you meant hardcoded in the game, not your head :D. The torpedo run lengths in yards aren't connected to anything in the game (ie, it's NOT range to target), so a metric version would make no difference at all, as it's all based on the time of the torpedo run.

I quess i did it again...:lol: We'll how to say this to get it right. In one minute the MK10 runs 1200 yards that is round 1097 meters. Same thing, but different values. To have a metric values all over the game would be just "convinient"... Also this mod would be very handy for making decicions when to fire a torpedo to get a perfect 90 degree shot from non 90 degree angle. Normally i calculate (impact point related to target and torpedo speed) this while charting , but now i could just have quick look and get suitable values for my firing solution.

I can edit the tga-file by myself but i quess it has been drawn with somekind of cad-software, so i guess it would be easier for you to edit the values and convert it to tga?

[Urge]

I attempted to install this with JSGME and manually, it failed both times. SH4 hung while loading. when trying to load it with JSGME it advises me that
"menu 1024_768.ini" has already been altered by the "REL_TriggerMaru_Overhaul" mod
"menu 1024_768.ini" has already been altered by the "SCAF for TMO" mod
It hung while loading but when I hit escape it finished loading but I did not have TSAC. I manually installed it with the same results. Here is my menu 1024_768.ini configuration at the insertion point-

[G32 I31]
Name=Target
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x32000003
ParentID=0x32000000
Pos=287,-109,479,479
Zone= 287 659 479 479 0 1 0x32000000 0.280273 -0.141927 0x32000003 0 0 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFF80
Materials=1
Display=5;Linear&rotation
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/maptarget.tga
Crop 0=0.0332031,0.0332031,0.935547,0.935547
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0
Drag=false
BmpState=0
NeedFocus=true
SelOne=false
IdGroup=0
StatesColors=0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF

[G32 I32]
Name=TSAC
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x3200000f
ParentID=0x32000000
Pos=0,0,0,0
Zone=0 0 541 265 0 1 0x32000000 0.5 0 0x3200000f 0 0 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFFFF
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/layout/TSAC.tga
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0

[G33 I1]
Name=Page interior
Type=1027;Menu page
ItemID=0x33000000
ParentID=0x0
Pos=0,0,1024,768
Zone= 0 768 1024 768 2 1 0x0 0.5 -0.5 0x33000000 -0.5 0.5 0 0
LoadingMode=2

I did Drop the file TSAC.tga into the "\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu" folder. So, whatsup? Did I screw up or is there a bug?

Urge

[Hitman]

did Drop the file TSAC.tga into the "\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu" folder. So, whatsup? Did I screw up or is there a bug?


You must drop it into "Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu\Layout" folder.

You forgot the last folder? :hmm:

[Urge]

copied from your install instructions "1) Drop the file TSAC.tga into your "\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu" folder"
Urge

[Hitman]

Dargn.....:stare:

The path should point to the same folder where you placed the file TSAC.tga

Simply move the file one folder up to the "menu" one ("Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu") or alternatively modify the menu.ini to add the reference to the Layout folder.

Hope it solves the problem.

[Urge]

So, I just need to get the two lines in red to agree as shown?

1) Drop the file TSAC.tga into your "\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu\Gui\Layout" folder
2) Open your menu_1024_768.ini and add following entry in the proper place:
[G32 I32]
Name=TSAC
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x3200000f
ParentID=0x32000000
Pos=0,0,0,0
Zone=0 0 541 265 0 1 0x32000000 0.5 0 0x3200000f 0 0 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFFFF
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/layout/TSAC.tga
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0

Urge

[Hitman]

Yes, that's correct. In fact, you can place the TSAC.tga anywhere you want. The only thing that matters is that wherever it is, the path in the menu.ini matches its location.

[Urge]

Done, fired up Sh4 and there it is. Thanks

Urge

[virtualpender]

Bumped for the sake of sheer awesomeness. If you aren't using this yet, you should.

[I'm goin' down]

I read Urge's posts. Will this mod replace the nomo on the nav map? If so, I cannot use it. I assume that both the nomo and the TSAC will be on the nav map. Is that correct?

[Nisgeis]

Will this mod replace the nomo on the nav map? If so, I cannot use it. I assume that both the nomo and the TSAC will be on the nav map. Is that correct?

The Nomograph is on the nav map and the TSAC is on the attack map (as that's where the torpedo runtime is). If you read and follow the instructions in the readme and install it manually, then it won't conflict.

[I'm goin' down]

I must have screwed up. when i installed it yesterday, it deleted the nomo and did not replace it. I will try again later.

[I'm goin' down]

deleted. posted in wrong thread.

[Nisgeis]

Wrong thread IGD.

[virtualpender]

This download also includes a PDF of the TSAC so you do not have to install in game. I find it quicker to use a ruler on the desk in front of me.

Either way, this is a very handy mod and the best way to conduct aft-MOT-forward attacks as actually used by skippers during the war.

Well done, Nisgeis and Hitman!

[fitzcarraldo]

Hi all:

The original link is out

Is there some other link to download this mod?

Many thanks and regards.

Fitzcarraldo :Kaleun_Salute:

[ElCid97]

Fitz,

Check your PM's and your e-mail as well.

Regards,

ElCid97

PS: Here's the link in the library: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=85

[fitzcarraldo]

Fitz,

Check your PM's and your e-mail as well.

Regards,

ElCid97

PS: Here's the link in the library: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=85

Many thanks! Downloaded, I´ll finish to test the recognition manual mod.

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :Kaleun_Salute: