[WIP] A new great battleship!

[VonDos]

With Gerome's permission, i'm working on his Roma battleship, for this new unit:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5817/rowtn1.jpg
RM Duilio
http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg

This unit is thinked for give an alternative to italian Littorio\Roma class for Med Campaign. In facts, all no-Littorio class of italian battleships had 4 main gun turrets, like Duilio. Only Littorio class had 3 gun towers.
Give your impressions, please ^_^

[Koondawg]

Very Nice...as always


KD

[mr chris]

Looks like another beauty in the making there VonDos.:up:

[Hunter]

Seems like it is time to ask Prevateer to help with some new italian main Turrets. By the way with some minor changes this project could be extended to another Italian BB Julio Chesare finalizing Italian battle line.
http://warships.web4u.cz/italia/bb/img/rys-ceasare.gif

[VonDos]

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5817/rowtn1.jpg

This is a problem; what can i use for main towers?
320 binate and 320 trinate aren't included in SH3\GWX, i think.
Duilio had 2 320binate and 2 320trinate

For now i've those options:
11inch triple, 14 double, 15 double, 16triple, 18triple

My idea is use 15double and 16triple, but they're too big; btw 14double and 16 triple are too different one from other...

help!

[tomhugill]

Hey , once this is done With your permission could i port it too sh4 and make it playable?

[Hunter]

This is a problem; what can i use for main towers?
320 binate and 320 trinate aren't included in SH3\GWX, i think.
Duilio had 2 320binate and 2 320trinate

For now i've those options:
11inch triple, 14 double, 15 double, 16triple, 18triple

My idea is use 15double and 16triple, but they're too big; btw 14double and 16 triple are too different one from other...

help!

I think no present guns will fit. You should ask Privateer for assistance.

[VonDos]

Yes, you will be authorized to import her.
Before i must solve the problem, btw ^_^

[asanovic7]

Very nice to see those big Italian(poorly used) ships in the game..
:up:
Cheers

[-SWCowboy.]

Excellent work VD, as always! Can't wait to sink her!!! :lurk:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Bah... It looks just like all of those others....

.... GREAT SHIPS YOU ALWAYS BUILD! :rock:

:rotfl:

:up:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Weight?
Size?
Draught?
Lenght?
Width?
Mast?
Engine power?
Propellers?
Rudder drag?

[bigboywooly]

Very nice Von D
:up:

[Jimbuna]

That would be an excellent addition VD http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[evan82]

I don't know what to say. One day - one ship, idea.
Awesome! :yep:

[nikbear]

Fantastic looking,always love the red&white stripping on the bow deck,trust the Italians to have a bit of style with there ships:up:

[mr chris]

Duliio tale of the tape.

Displacement: As built:

22,956 tons normal
24,729 tons full load
As modernized:
26,434 tons normal
29,391 tons full load Length:

168.96 m (554.3 ft) Beam:

28.03 m (92.0 ft) Draft:

8.58 m (28.1 ft) Propulsion:

As built:

Steam turbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_turbine) system
20 boilers
4 shafts
30,000 shp


As modernized:

Steam turbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_turbine) system
8 Yarrow type boilers
2 shafts
75,000 shp Speed:
As built: 21 knots (39 km/h)

As modernized: 27 knots (50 km/h) Complement:
As built: 1,233

As modernized: 1,485 Armament:
As built:

13 × 305 mm (12 in) guns (Three triple and two double turrets)
16 × 152 mm (6 in) guns
13 × 76 mm (3 in) guns
6 × 76 mm anti-aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft) guns
3 × 533 mm (21 in) torpedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo) tubes

As modernized:

10 × 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (Two triple and two double turrets)
12 × 135 mm (5.3 in) guns (Four triple turrets)
13 × 76 mm guns
10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) anti-aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft) guns
15 × 37 mm anti-aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft) guns
16 × 20 mm anti-aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft) guns Armor:
Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_armor): 100 mm
Turrets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turret): 275 mm
Decks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deck_%28ship%29): 250 mm

[Madox58]

Shouldn't the guns look like this?
http://www.serafimov.com/public/general/roma32.jpg

[VonDos]

Something like this ^_^

You know, Duilio and Cavour class had 320guns instead 381 of littorio class, btw design is similar!

(What a nice model in your image! °_°)

[Madox58]

That's the image I'm useing to finish the Italian triples.
:yep:
Check out the model here.
http://www.military-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87

The Doubles are nearly done.

I started the Italian Guns just after the Averof Guns were released.
;)

[VonDos]

I didn't know this, but i've started an italian battleship...
Ok, i'm from Italy, but this "randomness" is interesting :hmm: :up:

[Madox58]

The Guy did a fantastic job!
For more images of his work.
http://www.serafimov.com/public/phpBB2_2/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5

[richardphat]

OMG i cant believe it another BB for SH3.............. fast fast on the download list! And this :rock: :rock: :rock:

[AG124]

Great Work VonDos!:up: Glad to see you're still turning these high quality ships out, and en masse too.:D I agree that both the Cavour and Doria class BBs are so similar, once you have completed one, the other shouldn't be too hard to kitbash - two birds with one stone so to speak.:hmm:

Also, do you have plans to work on a UK carrier or a French cruiser anytime soon?:hmm:

[Madox58]

I think this will work for the triples as a start.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Roma_Guns.jpg

[VonDos]

Update image down here!

[piri_reis]

Those Italians, even make their battleships artistic. :up:

[Buhring]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3851/rowzm4.jpg Wow! I hoped soooo much for these ships to be modeled in SH3. Thanks.

At a first glance, I would suggest four small adjustments:
1. The forecastle on the Duilio's and Cesare's is shorter than on the Littorio's: it should end just aft of the 90mm guns and not at the C turret;
2. As far as I remember, there were no visible anti-torpedo bulges ("controcarene" in Italian) on the Duilio's and the Cesare's; I will check this one out, anyway [EDIT: I checked that: in fact the Duilio's relied only on internal anti-torpedo protection (the so called "Cilindri Pugliese"); no external bulges];
3. The ships were somewhat lower on the water (IMO also the SH3 rendering of the Roma is a bit too high on the water);
4. The grey the Regia Marina used before the war (i. e. before camouflage of the ships) is lighter and a little bit more blue-ish (San Giorgio looks much better to me).

As for the turrets, the twin mount looks quite good to me; the triple turret instead is decidedly too big and "square". I wonder if the best solution wouldn't be to modify the twin turret in order to fit in a third barrel.

:up: "Keep up the good job, kaleun!" :cool:

Buhring

[Buhring]

One more note: the platforms of the turrets should be smaller, in order not to be wider than the turrets themselves.

Cheers

Buhring

[sabretwo]

Von Dos,

You are the man! I needed an Andrea Doria class battleship bad and Cavour class! Right now there's no IT BBs or Heavy Cruisers in that weight class.

:up:

(I am right now in the middle of scripting the First Battle of Sirte. I'll put them both to immediate use when you're done with them.)

[Madox58]

Vittorio Veneto Class Main Gun.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Italian_Roma.jpg

The Second Gun.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Roma_Guns_2.jpg

[VonDos]

:o

What a detail level °_°

:rock: :rock:

[VonDos]

At a first glance, I would suggest four small adjustments:
1. The forecastle on the Duilio's and Cesare's is shorter than on the Littorio's: it should end just aft of the 90mm guns and not at the C turret;
2. As far as I remember, there were no visible anti-torpedo bulges ("controcarene" in Italian) on the Duilio's and the Cesare's; I will check this one out, anyway [EDIT: I checked that: in fact the Duilio's relied only on internal anti-torpedo protection (the so called "Cilindri Pugliese"); no external bulges];
3. The ships were somewhat lower on the water (IMO also the SH3 rendering of the Roma is a bit too high on the water);
4. The grey the Regia Marina used before the war (i. e. before camouflage of the ships) is lighter and a little bit more blue-ish (San Giorgio looks much better to me).

As for the turrets, the twin mount looks quite good to me; the triple turret instead is decidedly too big and "square". I wonder if the best solution wouldn't be to modify the twin turret in order to fit in a third barrel.

One more note: the platforms of the turrets should be smaller, in order not to be wider than the turrets themselves.

Buhring

1 Correct ^_^
I never thought i was able to do this ^_^ BTW this generate some little strange shadows on the hull near the modded zone.

2 Yu're right; those "controcarene" was a Roma's details; btw correct!

3 I'll check right level on the sea, if possible

4 Correct, easy!

Those guns in the images aren't the definitive; i'm waiting; Privateer is working on italian guns (see images up)

Btw, this is the new corrected version; i've added also searchlight; now i need to place a\a guns and ohers

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2530/rowtk1.jpg

[Jimbuna]

VD.....your files for Laconia and St Gior need looking at my friend.

They are currently: mod name (zipped)\mod name\mod name\data

I believe they should be: mod name (zipped)\mod name\data

I'll post on the relevent threads to ensure you see this http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[VonDos]

Thanks, mate!
Fixed links in my shipyard now (see the signature)

[Jimbuna]

Thanks, mate!
Fixed links in my shipyard now (see the signature)

No prob...your welcome (3) http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[VonDos]

Working on A\A.

[sabretwo]

Von Dos,

When you're ready for beta testing, let me know. I finished scripting the first battle of Sirte this weekend (minus the addition of your two new BBs). Once I have your betas, I'll drop them into the mission and test it live.

The way the battle is scripted, they should get a chance to fire and maybe take a few hits.

[VonDos]

While testing A\A i've modified overstructures between fore funnel and command tower (not a\a present in those images).

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3842/rowgi1.jpg
http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg

Is enought similar for you?

I'll return, i'm starting a vojage to Rome, a day in italian largest city!
Regards, VonDos

[Buhring]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3842/rowgi1.jpg
Is enought similar for you?
Looking at this photo I finally understood where the problem of "being too high on the water" was: in fact the hull is too short, so all the superstructures look somewhat too high or too bulky. In fact, measuring from the aerial view, L/l ratio (Length to width) is 6.06:1; on the real thing it was 6.67:1 (original measures: 186,9:28,0). That means the hull is approximately 10% too short.

Apart from that, the ship looks really good -- and your last modifications are very well tuned.

Thumbs UP :up:

Buhring

[sabretwo]

Von Dos,

Looking great!

Fantastic work! :up:

[Tomi_099]

Great MOD , Great !!:up:

[VonDos]

Thanks!
I'm stretching the fore section ^_^

[VonDos]

Here is with reworked stern and first a\a placed. I've also repositioned cables, cranes and flag following blueprints ^^

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9045/rowzy7.jpg

Thanks also to who rate this thread with 4 stars ^_^ A good rate for a Wip, btw i can (maybe) and i must improve ^_^

[Hunter]

I vote 5 stars since every new capital ship, AV carrier, CA or CL is a must have:up:

[iambecomelife]

That's a gorgeous piece of work - love the stripes. :up: Any chance of some British warships?

[mkubani]

Hi VonDos,

I really like your models, but I have to admit there is one disturbing thing I find on your ships.

You seem to have some strange geometry/shadowing on some parts of your ships. For example on this Italian battleship you can see some strange highlights alongside the edge where the top deck meets the side of the ship (right above the last row of windows). A similar affect (dark areas) is visible on the red/white stripe part of the ship (view from the top). It gives a false impression that those sections of the ship have a round edge when in fact those edges are sharp. Do you know what I mean?

I am a 3D modeller myself, I use 3D Max Studio. I recognize such visible error when incorrect Smoothing Groups are applied to a model. But I don't know if this is the case for SH3 modelling as well. Maybe some other guys like Privateer, Ref or Iambecomelife could give their feedback because I don't see this error on their ships. I would really love to see this error fixed on your models. :know:

Sorry, English is not my native language, so I hope I made myself clear and not too offensive. This is intended as a constructive criticism. :|\\

[Hunter]

Yeap, HMS Belfast based on Fiji class would be great and I think not to much difficoult to do. Same time Ajax class based on Dido model could be another great addition.

[Madox58]

Hi VonDos,

I really like your models, but I have to admit there is one disturbing thing I find on your ships.

You seem to have some strange geometry/shadowing on some parts of your ships. For example on this Italian battleship you can see some strange highlights alongside the edge where the top deck meets the side of the ship (right above the last row of windows). A similar affect (dark areas) is visible on the red/white stripe part of the ship (view from the top). It gives a false impression that those sections of the ship have a round edge when in fact those edges are sharp. Do you know what I mean?

I am a 3D modeller myself, I use 3D Max Studio. I recognize such visible error when incorrect Smoothing Groups are applied to a model. But I don't know if this is the case for SH3 modelling as well. Maybe some other guys like Privateer, Ref or Iambecomelife could give their feedback because I don't see this error on their ships. I would really love to see this error fixed on your models. :know:

Sorry, English is not my native language, so I hope I made myself clear and not too offensive. This is intended as a constructive criticism. :|\\



I do know the answer.
Some parts need to be detached.
If you have a box?
All sides need to be detached for the SH3 Engine.
Every part we create needs to follow this rule.
Or you get strange smoothing and graphic weirdness.

[Graf Paper]

This is indeed a beautiful warship!

I gave this WIP five stars but, with privateer's new turrets, it deserves ten stars! :rock:

Excellent work, master shipbuilder! I can hardly wait for the finished version! :yep:

[VonDos]

Camo test ^_^ thanks to Buhring for camo scheme!

As said by Hunter, this skin test was too contrastless


Do you like this, or gray is better??

[Hunter]

Shouldn't this camo be more contrast?

[piri_reis]

I like how it looks with the camo rather than standard grey, great job again VonDos & privateer :rock:

[VonDos]

Voilà, this is the fully edited ship:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8489/rowdu9.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6058/copiadicoloripb2.jpg
Do you like her?

Please impressions are needed! Better now?

[sabretwo]

Looks good, Von Dos. The camo looks great!

[StarLion45]

:o You are a magician Von Dos no doubt about it:yep:

That ship are looking very , very awsome

[evan82]

Nice skin VanDos!:sunny:

[Jimbuna]

Much improved VD http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Hunter]

A masterpiece!:up:

[nikbear]

Bellisimo:rock::rock::rock:

[mkubani]

Hi VonDos, will you please fix the edges as Privateer has explained? I think it's really worth it.

[Madox58]

As soon as I get word back from VonDos,
I'll make the adjustments and show him what I mean.
Ref is the one that taught me this needed approach.
So credit goes to him.
:up:

If we kit bash?
We don't see the problem as the stock stuff is already detached
correctly.

It's when we create new things that we need to go the extra mile.
:yep:

[Madox58]

Here's the model with the deck detached from the hull.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/VonDos_Unit.jpg

Here's an area that needs to be detached yet.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/F5x.jpg

And if your sharp?
You can spot a few other areas that should be detached also.
;)

The Game itself tries to smooth things.
By detaching faces we stop this and get sharp edges.
:yep:

[VonDos]

I knew Taranto's night was copied form japan for prepare Pearl Harbour, but this tactics exchange is strange:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3947/pubbliyp0.jpg

Someone talked??

[evan82]

Look's Great!:yep:

[Hunter]

There are American battleships' 356-mm twins and triples from SH4 exported into SH3. They could fit better, while there are no specific turrets for this great ship.

[Madox58]

The new Guns are nearly done.
No need to Limp when you can Run.

[Hunter]

Ok, then!

Von_Dos
How about making Geulio Cesare class while waiting for new guns? I thing it will not take long to make some rearrange in cabins and masts.

[VonDos]

At moment i'm a little busy, in RL; i've also a SS America to do, and Duilio under tests °_°

[VonDos]

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4805/rmduilionz2.jpg
Official wip promo images from my shipyard ^_^

[VonDos]

I'm making Duilio a little more "low on the sea", according photos :up:

[Buhring]

I'm making Duilio a little more "low on the sea", according photos :up:

You're just great, VD!

HB

[VonDos]

I can just say you thanks for material related with this work ^^ This help me with some improvements ^_^ :up: :up:

[VonDos]

Voilà the improved version; i've also added 2 lifeboats on the ster, where historically were:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/995/rowdq4.jpg

[Cavour]

Nice job friend!
Molto ma molto bella! Mancava! :rock: :rock: :rock:

[piri_reis]

Awesome job VonDos :up: :up:
It's a mighty battleship!

[Cavour]

Any news, mate?

[VonDos]

Nothing for now, but i've a joke for you, while waiting ^_^ :

a walrus looks down and dies

http://www.rollinghillswildlife.com/animals/w/walrus/walrus.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Nothing for now, but i've a joke for you, while waiting ^_^ :

a walrus looks down and dies


http://www.rollinghillswildlife.com/animals/w/walrus/walrus.jpg


LOL :lol:

[tater]

She's pretty. Nicely done.

Is the detached hull/deck only an artifact of SH3, or does it also apply to SH4?

<EDIT> found this thread about vertex normals that will be useful for anyone else with this issue:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=141813

<S>

tater

[Hunter]

How about beta release with current weapon confguration to skip our waiting for final release?

[VonDos]

If you want to try her, you're welcome; remember, this is somethnig like a pre-beta version (should be called alpha?); this is not the official beta test version ^_^

you've a pm

[Admiral Faier]

Hi to all:). I saw the pictures and work on models and I must say they are very interesting:03:. I was wondering, seeing the good racy graphics species in the model of the Littorio class, if someone was working on a project to govern these ships on SH 5 or if you will in the future:yeah: (I hope you). Greetings