View Full Version : Myth #1 about Fallout 3 - it has no DRM - WRONG!
SUBMAN1
10-30-08, 07:55 AM
My copy has SecureROM. I know this because I made an image and loaded it into Daemon Tools so that I didn't have to find the DVD to play it. Well, SecureROM raised its ugly head and said there was a conflict with Daemon Tools on my machine. Nice.
If there is any good news in all this, it is that SecureROM operates like the older versions in that it doesn't take over your machine. It just does a simple check on start-up to see if it's the original DVD.
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Syxx_Killer
10-30-08, 08:06 AM
Over on the official forums, there is a lengthy thread about the DRM with Fallout 3. All in all, it is a rather benign version of SecuROM included with the game (which I don't really have a problem with). This is in stark contrast, however, to the likes of Spore, Mass Effect, and Red Alert 3 which uses the much more draconian form of it (online checks, activation limits, etc.). :x:nope::damn:
Falkirion
10-30-08, 05:43 PM
Syxx thats why I'm glad I have Mass Effect for the 360, none of that DRM bull****. Just put in the DVD and play.
Looking forward to getting my hands on Fallout 3, might buy it today. Or I might hold off and get Rock Band instead. And before you say Rock Bands been out for over a year, let me just say we Aussies can be a little slow when it comes to getting new games out on time.
kiwi_2005
10-30-08, 06:14 PM
Fallout 3 will, like Oblivion, only be shipping with mild forms of copy protection, the kind that people don't go onto the internet and complain about (there won't be any Spore-esque flame wars with Fallout 3).
*mild forms of copy protection*
Pretty much surprise they never went the full hog in protecting Fallout3, as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.
as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.
Its not on mine.
Robsoie
10-31-08, 04:24 AM
question :
If according to Bethesda : "For Fallout 3’s copy protection on PC, we use the same security model as we did for Oblivion - a simple disc check. We only use SecuRom’s disc check functionality for copy protection" , why the choice of using Securom that is also known for some side effect regarding performance and compatibility ?
For "simple" cd check there are way simpler copy protections that have none of those side effects, do not install "services" and drivers, and more importantly for a publisher cost a lot less than the latest Securom software contracts.
Anyways, despite i was looking forward to get it one day, it is now one more game i just added to my boycott list.
GlobalExplorer
10-31-08, 04:34 AM
as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.
Its not on mine.
What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history. :roll:
Raptor1
10-31-08, 05:05 AM
But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?
as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.
Its not on mine.
What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history. :roll:
Despised by who? :p
I'd keep a more objective view there. It seems to be despised by what is essentially a small group of die-hard fans of old Fallout. That's like saying SHIII/IV are one of the most despised games in history based on what some of the staunch SHII adherents say...
SUBMAN1
10-31-08, 07:56 AM
But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?
No
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GlobalExplorer
10-31-08, 08:16 AM
But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?
No
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Never heard of that either. Even the most fervent Bethhaters would agree that their DRM is pretty benign.
kiwi_2005
11-01-08, 01:13 AM
as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.
Its not on mine.
What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history. :roll:
What the hell is despised about it,:) I should have this game on my pc this week. So far the reviews ive read about it with best gave it a rating of 10/10 and average an 8. but im hoping i will read a quick review about it here. This game has such high scores that its either blardy good or its crap and the reviewers work for besheda:roll:
What the hell is despised about it,:) I should have this game on my pc this week. So far the reviews ive read about it with best gave it a rating of 10/10 and average an 8. but im hoping i will read a quick review about it here. This game has such high scores that its either blardy good or its crap and the reviewers work for besheda:roll:
What, you don't remember the huge thread here a couple of weeks ago which was basically GlobalExplorer vs. a bunch of other people on whether Fallout 3 sucks or not? :D
Not to invalidate anyone's arguments, but given that most of us have already read them there... can we kind of keep it out of this thread?
Oh, and statistic check here: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/918428.asp
Game has 93% rating over 13 major press reviews so far.
Major press reviewers. :lol:
The type of morons who gave Mount and blade a 69%
GlobalExplorer
11-01-08, 06:19 AM
major press reviewers my ass
major title, big publisher score: 95% +/- 5%
indy title, strategy / sim that requires reading, learning curve, score: 70 +/- 10%
the huge thread here a couple of weeks ago which was basically GlobalExplorer vs. a bunch of other people on whether Fallout 3 sucks or not?
Rilder, Wolfehunter, etc can you take over here? I think I'm getting a bad rep here if I go on with the bethbashing ..
Ah come on, lighten up guys.
For the record, I'm not even taking any side here. I just wish we'd lighten up over it a little, I mean, obviously no game works for everyone. I have no plans to play FO3 - even assuming I had a computer good enough to play it, I probably wouldn't get it anyway. If anything, I'm more likely to check out the two classic Fallout games - but not before I finish my playthrough of Jagged Alliance 2 :p
ReallyDedPoet
11-01-08, 09:03 AM
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, let's respect that and keep it above bar
here please :yep::D.
There is no need for personal attacks just because somebody does not
share a particular point of view. As CCIP mentioned, lighten up folks.
Also, let's remember to stay on topic as per the OP.
RDP
GlobalExplorer
11-01-08, 10:35 AM
If anything, I'm more likely to check out the two classic Fallout games - but not before I finish my playthrough of Jagged Alliance 2 :p
For gods sake do it! The combat is not as good as in JA2, but still extremely good for a RPG. And the graphics really don't matter after a short adaptation period.
I would start with Fallout 1. The game grabs you from the first minute, when you leave the vault. F2 has a pretty slow and strange beginning, and that was actually the reason I didn't get into it many years ago.
kiwi_2005
11-02-08, 03:25 AM
Global Explorer would you buy Elder Scrolls V:hmm:. Aparently its in the making. :rock:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/bethesda-pencils-in-new-elder-scrolls-title-for-2010
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/29/oblivion-and-on/
Raptor1
11-02-08, 06:29 AM
Global Explorer would you buy Elder Scrolls V:hmm:. Aparently its in the making. :rock:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/bethesda-pencils-in-new-elder-scrolls-title-for-2010
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/29/oblivion-and-on/
I think he made it quite clear that he wouldn't buy any game from Bethesda based on prejudice
Ah, well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions
Wolfehunter
11-02-08, 10:37 AM
major press reviewers my ass
major title, big publisher score: 95% +/- 5%
indy title, strategy / sim that requires reading, learning curve, score: 70 +/- 10%
the huge thread here a couple of weeks ago which was basically GlobalExplorer vs. a bunch of other people on whether Fallout 3 sucks or not?
Rilder, Wolfehunter, etc can you take over here? I think I'm getting a bad rep here if I go on with the bethbashing ..I didn't want to ruin this post so I kept my mouth shut. Anyhow games out and some will like it others won't. I will not touch it ever. I'm going to leave this post with that note. No need to add flames.
SUBMAN1
11-02-08, 12:57 PM
Bethsoft is no giant game publisher BTW. They are puny, which is why you get different and actually entertaining titles from them, instead of the cookie cutter crap that stems from a publisher like EA. Bethsoft takes chances on smaller publishers. Akella for example. Would EA take on a title from Akella? Never. They are too small fry to even show up on the radar screen.
Starting to get the point? Bethsoft has released a buggy title or two, but that is because they are close to an indy outfit and actually will bring out a title that no one else will. To their credit, they eventually patch it too.
I suggest you support these smaller publishers since if companies like Bethsoft were not around, I wouldn't be playing anymore games on a PC.
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Stormin Norman
11-03-08, 04:31 PM
It's so stupid to boycott games just because they have copy protection. Soon you won't have anything to play.
question :
If according to Bethesda : "For Fallout 3’s copy protection on PC, we use the same security model as we did for Oblivion - a simple disc check. We only use SecuRom’s disc check functionality for copy protection" , why the choice of using Securom that is also known for some side effect regarding performance and compatibility ?
For "simple" cd check there are way simpler copy protections that have none of those side effects, do not install "services" and drivers, and more importantly for a publisher cost a lot less than the latest Securom software contracts.
Anyways, despite i was looking forward to get it one day, it is now one more game i just added to my boycott list.
Robsoie
11-03-08, 05:22 PM
It's so stupid to boycott games just because they have copy protection
I boycott DRM, hidden drivers/services and rootkits based copy protection, maybe you don't know but there are lot of other copy protections than these kind of POS.
And i doubt you judging my choice as being stupid will make me change my mind http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
NefariousKoel
11-04-08, 01:41 AM
In other news..
I've heard that Empire Total War will force you to install Steam, even on the physical DVD version. Complete with "phone home" installation requirement and that crap running in the background.
Looks like another game just dropped off my list due to DRM. :down:
Rilder, Wolfehunter, etc can you take over here? I think I'm getting a bad rep here if I go on with the bethbashing
Huh?
/me wanders back to dwarf fortress, the game that is better then all games released this year.
Wolfehunter
11-04-08, 08:01 AM
I say good riddance to them. If they leave the PC world that would make me happy.:yep:
Newer companies like dwarf fortress will spawn up and make real PC games. Like it was done in the past. Many classic games came from beginner companies. Today these established companies are trying to condition us to enjoy crap... their crap so I say good riddance.
Let them specialize in Console games. Fine by me.:up:
Dwarf fortress isn't a game company its a guy and his brother. :P
They make a fair bit of cash just off donations though. :yep:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677
Wolfehunter
11-04-08, 01:35 PM
Dwarf fortress isn't a game company its a guy and his brother. :P
They make a fair bit of cash just off donations though. :yep:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677
Exactly my point. Alot of these start ups tend to be a few tallented individuals who take a chance. ;)
GlobalExplorer
11-04-08, 02:04 PM
As to the topic of this thread there is now a discussion going on among the Bethhaters, some people say F3 is actually not such a bad game as expected, and more comparable to Morrowind than to Oblivion. There are others who say the dialogs lack any quality, the combat is stupid (you might have seen the video of the guy that took 32 headshots), the gameworld is ridiculously compressed and offers everything on a silver plate, etc. The kind of things why many people made up their minds, based on the pre-release material and Todd Howard's rumblings.
But there is really a new tone in the discussion. I have to say that while Bethesda surely didnt deliver the game I expected, it seems the criticism was a bit too harsh. A lot of the RPG fanatics are actually playing it now, if only for the lulz, or because there's simply nothing better around atm, or because there are things to enjoy actually. Some say with mods (reworked dialogs) it might even become a game that the critics could enjoy.
GlobalExplorer
11-04-08, 02:09 PM
Dwarf fortress isn't a game company its a guy and his brother. :P
They make a fair bit of cash just off donations though. :yep:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677
Exactly my point. Alot of these start ups tend to be a few tallented individuals who take a chance. ;)
The market is about to split, which is bit of a good and a bad thing at the same time. The big companies clearly want to move to the consoles, and put a chain on the neck of PC users, imposing more and more ridiculous control mechanisms, that have only one aim: in some years you will have to pay for games by the minute.
At the same time I found I can play my games from smaller PC-centric companies, e.g. stardock, ageod, matrix, .., with realism and features I expect from PC games, outdated graphics for sure. But even outdated doesnt mean ugly by todays standards: it's just a question of where you put your focus. Today you can produce nice visuals on top of licensed or opensource engines (Ogre etc), I've had my hand on these and it's possible for a couple of dedicated individuals to make really nice games without a budget of several millions.
I'm not playing Dwarf Fortress, but I already noticed it has a strong following among more discerning communities than this one. It seems to be the kind of game that offers gameplay in spades, not the boring linear formula seen in almost all major console centric releases today.
Anyway, the major step is to realize there are games outside the mainstream. You must look like a pig, but they do exist, and then it doesn't hurt so much to see that an industry that once was innovative and risk-taking is now going the way of Hollywood. There's a small independent market that is developing around the old philosophies, and some things work differently there, but there is hope.
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