View Full Version : Please shortly compare GWX 2.1, NYGM 3.0 and War Ace Campaign 3
Progrocker
10-28-08, 04:06 AM
Hi folks.
There are many threads dedicated to all these supermods.
But the problem is: im was until now strictly GWX user. I am playing GWX 2.1 with many other smaller mods like OLC, Life Boats etc. I have never played any other supermod. Now im in a mood to try both other (WAC 3.0 and NYGM 3). But i wasnt able to find and read here some comparisons between the mods.
Could you please write me your experiences and some of your thoughts between these three mods. So for example what do you like in which mod and what you dont n comparison with other. Because for some beginners here is very chaotic to read long and long times about many mods and still dont know the opinions from users about the differences between the mods. I dont want from you to say which is better than other (i understand thats very subjective), but only your opinions and experiences with them and which is more funny or realistic to you. Which is more historically correct etc. :ping:
Yeap, it would be interesting to compare detail like introduced new ships, aircrafts, skins, environment and especially eyekandies.
Philipp_Thomsen
10-28-08, 05:06 AM
Hi folks.
There are many threads dedicated to all these supermods.
But the problem is: im was until now strictly GWX user. I am playing GWX 2.1 with many other smaller mods like OLC, Life Boats etc. I have never played any other supermod. Now im in a mood to try both other (WAC 3.0 and NYGM 3). But i wasnt able to find and read here some comparisons between the mods.
Could you please write me your experiences and some of your thoughts between these three mods. So for example what do you like in which mod and what you dont n comparison with other. Because for some beginners here is very chaotic to read long and long times about many mods and still dont know the opinions from users about the differences between the mods. I dont want from you to say which is better than other (i understand thats very subjective), but only your opinions and experiences with them and which is more funny or realistic to you. Which is more historically correct etc. :ping:
I do not know much differences between those, but there's a lot of topics and posts about this subject. Use the seach function.
What I can tell you is that NYGM is more realistic, less game and more simulation, for most players it would be boring to be depth charged for 4 hours, what you think? For realism junkies, it's a must. I never tested anything out of gwx. WAC on the other hand, has some nice stuff that gwx don't have, like ships finishing their waypoints thru the atlantic and arriving at the ports, other then just disappearing out of the blue, like in gwx. That feature made me interested.
So, in resume, what I think is that:
GWX - Better gameplay
NYGM - Realism above all
WAC - Polished details
But again, I've never tested anything out of gwx, that's only information that I've read in the forum.
:up:
I've played all three and whilst most of my experience has been with GWX I played both NYGM and WAC prior to joining the GWX testing crew.
All three were designed around their creators version of realism with each of them having their own unique features and flaws which made them quite different flavours of the same game.
The best way to find out which you prefer is to play them all and then decide.
Progrocker
10-28-08, 06:30 AM
Exactly these informations i want. Thanks. Perhaps NYGM would be ideal for me, as i am realism fanatic. Another opinions?
Wreford-Brown
10-28-08, 07:23 AM
You could try installing the Multi-SH3 utility. This allows you to use multiple installs of SH3 so you could have a GWX, a NYGM and a WAC version on your hard drive and will allow you to mod and play these at will. It's probably the easiest way to compare these three supermods.
Multi SH3 is at: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=141242 under 'Utilities'.
Apples, oranges and bananas. All three of them are fruits, have vitamins and calm your hunger. The rest is a matter of taste.
The best advice: Try all three yourself and decide :up: you won't regret downloading and keeping all those three masterpieces.
melnibonian
10-28-08, 11:58 AM
All three are very good in their own right. My suggestion is to install them all and see which one is the best for you.
Jimbuna
10-28-08, 01:49 PM
Apples, oranges and bananas. All three of them are fruits, have vitamins and calm your hunger. The rest is a matter of taste.
The best advice: Try all three yourself and decide :up: you won't regret downloading and keeping all those three masterpieces.
Correct....in a nutshell. http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif
Or was that an apple or an orange or a banana shell :hmm:
:lol: ;)
Dont forget LSH3
Another very good supermod
Or was that an apple or an orange or a banana shell :hmm:
:lol: ;)
Now don't even try to ask me which is the banana, which the orange and which the apple :lol: ....I see you coming from miles away :lol:
To be blunt, I think this "it's apples and oranges" talk is nonsense.
If you don't want to compare then out of politeness, then thats ok, but I certinaly
thing they can be directly compared.
If you can compare SH3 to SH2 despite their vast differances; you can compare GWX
and NYGM with their (relativly) small diffrences.
Contact
10-28-08, 04:34 PM
If u want to find out which one suits best for u, just RTFM of every three supermods and u will see which more u like by features, bugfixes and so on.
Personaly I never tried WAC or NYGM, honestly was never intrested into them since I found GWX very pleasing from the begining then, until now and I will till I die :rock:
BTW
PT are u sure about this: "WAC on the other hand, has some nice stuff that gwx don't have, like ships finishing their waypoints thru the atlantic and arriving at the ports, other then just disappearing out of the blue, like in gwx." ???
In GWX 2.1 manual page 42:
"Hunter-killer groups now start and end in ports, instead of in the open ocean "
So are the ships. I've seen a ship disapearing at the entrance to the port, but not in the middle of the ocean as u say.
Cheers.
Philipp_Thomsen
10-28-08, 08:18 PM
If u want to find out which one suits best for u, just RTFM of every three supermods and u will see which more u like by features, bugfixes and so on.
Personaly I never tried WAC or NYGM, honestly was never intrested into them since I found GWX very pleasing from the begining then, until now and I will till I die :rock:
BTW
PT are u sure about this: "WAC on the other hand, has some nice stuff that gwx don't have, like ships finishing their waypoints thru the atlantic and arriving at the ports, other then just disappearing out of the blue, like in gwx." ???
In GWX 2.1 manual page 42:
"Hunter-killer groups now start and end in ports, instead of in the open ocean "
So are the ships. I've seen a ship disapearing at the entrance to the port, but not in the middle of the ocean as u say.
Cheers.
What I meant was that in WAC, the ships don't disappear, they "park" in the harbour and they stay there.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-28-08, 09:43 PM
What I can tell you is that NYGM is more realistic...
Bah!
Das ist totally debatable. :cool: :p
Graf Paper
10-29-08, 01:50 AM
Bah!
Das ist totally debatable.
:o
ALAAAARM!!
All ahead flank! Right full rudder! Make depth 60 meters, brace for depth charges!
:p
Wreford-Brown
10-29-08, 03:38 AM
I can see the way this thread could potentially go!:/\\chop
Play nicely, guys.
Philipp_Thomsen
10-29-08, 04:27 AM
I can see the way this thread could potentially go!:/\\chop
Play nicely, guys.
Nah, relax!
KL is just kidding. He knows that NYGM is more about what it really was, no matter how hard that would make the gameplay, while GWX is more balanced.
He also knows that I prefer GWX over NYGM, as the vast majority of the forum.
It's just not fair... most of the mods are "for gwx". The others don't stand a chance.
But yeah, he's right, it's totally debatable! :p
Jimbuna
10-29-08, 04:32 AM
Point taken.........3 times :lol:
I am no expert but perhaps the best thing would be a combination of the supermods out there.
ReallyDedPoet
10-29-08, 07:04 AM
Point taken.........3 times :lol:
Yeah, just saw that :doh::doh:, c'mon PT get on the ball here :yep::D
@ OP: Do a search and I am sure you will find similar thread(s) with
lots of helpful info with regards to this very question.
RDP
To be blunt, I think this "it's apples and oranges" talk is nonsense.
If you don't want to compare then out of politeness, then thats ok, but I certinaly
thing they can be directly compared.
If you can compare SH3 to SH2 despite their vast differances; you can compare GWX
and NYGM with their (relativly) small diffrences.
You can compare anything you want, and the more so when you talk about things that have a common base (SH3) but the final point about this is that realism is -obviously- limited in a computer game due to many software, hardware and budget constraints, therefore many times you must either do compromises or make interpretations. NYGM, GWX and WAC have taken different routes, and none of them is wrong; they are simply different.
For example, WAC has what is probably the most detailed and luxurious recreation of real events in his campaign, so you could consider that ultimate realism (It replicates real life, after all). But NYGM and GWX however take a different point of view, despite still offering many scripte historic events: Since you are in a different position to a real Kaleun of WW2 (You know what and when happened) it would be probably irrealistic to simulate all the war on a scripted basis, as you wouldn't get the feeling and situation a real Kaleun suffered with the fog-of-war. So you have, in the end, different interpretations of what is more realistic, or important for the feeling of realism and inmersion. INTERPRETATIONS.
Choose what you prefer, and compare if you want. But in the end, you will find that your analysis will bring you to the constraints and necessary compromise decissions that all teams have taken in different directions.
Philipp_Thomsen
10-29-08, 10:16 AM
Sorry for the triple post guys... I kept trying to post, but the browser kept presenting me errors... I finally gave up, thinking that the post never went online. Now, reading the comments I figure the posts went online, all of them. :lol:
Sorry!
AVGWarhawk
10-29-08, 10:35 AM
Apples, oranges and bananas. All three of them are fruits, have vitamins and calm your hunger. The rest is a matter of taste.
The best advice: Try all three yourself and decide :up: you won't regret downloading and keeping all those three masterpieces.
Correct....in a nutshell. http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif
Or was that an apple or an orange or a banana shell :hmm:
:lol: ;)
I would have to go with logic as well. I have only played GWX and it is excellent. To each their own. If GWX was a fruit, I would not say it calmed my hunger, it made me want more because it tasted very good. Alas, my view is skewed as I have not played the others. But, it is great to have a choice.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-29-08, 11:49 AM
I can see the way this thread could potentially go!:/\\chop
Play nicely, guys.
Nah, relax!
KL is just kidding. He knows that NYGM is more about what it really was, no matter how hard that would make the gameplay, while GWX is more balanced.
He also knows that I prefer GWX over NYGM, as the vast majority of the forum.
It's just not fair... most of the mods are "for gwx". The others don't stand a chance.
But yeah, he's right, it's totally debatable! :p
Relax PT. (And everybody)
I simply stated my opinion calmly, that I feel GWX offers the most realistic experience. I wasn't kidding anyone about anything.
I hope my opinion, however biased it might be, is okay too!:arrgh!:
However, without getting eyeball deep in some sort of mess... I recognize that this sort of discussion is completely debatable and that it ends with individual interpretations.
The OP asked for a quick comparison between the different mods... but thats kind-of impossible I think.
Deep breath everyone.:cool:
ReallyDedPoet
10-29-08, 12:11 PM
Sorry for the triple post guys... I kept trying to post, but the browser kept presenting me errors... I finally gave up, thinking that the post never went online. Now, reading the comments I figure the posts went online, all of them. :lol:
Sorry!
No worries mate, I knew something was messed up on your end :doh::doh::yep:
RDP
Graf Paper
10-29-08, 12:17 PM
Actually, RDP, I think something is messed up on Subsim's end. I've been noticing a lot of double-posts in the past few days.
Is Neal playing WoW again on the same computer that runs the Subsim server? :p
ReallyDedPoet
10-29-08, 12:22 PM
Actually, RDP, I think something is messed up on Subsim's end. I've been noticing a lot of double-posts in the past few days.
Is Neal playing WoW again on the same computer that runs the Subsim server? :p
Yeah, noticed that with KL's last post ( although the last line was different ) and a few others.
I'll pass this onto Neal.
@ PT: we'll pin your troubles on us :yep::oops::yep:, this time anyway :lol::lol:
RDP
AVGWarhawk
10-29-08, 12:39 PM
Actually, RDP, I think something is messed up on Subsim's end. I've been noticing a lot of double-posts in the past few days.
Is Neal playing WoW again on the same computer that runs the Subsim server? :p
Yeah, noticed that with KL's last post ( although the last line was different ) and a few others.
I'll pass this onto Neal.
@ PT: we'll pin your troubles on us :yep::oops::yep:, this time anyway :lol::lol:
RDP
He is playing T34 vs Tiger online :yep:
ReallyDedPoet
10-29-08, 12:41 PM
He is playing T34 vs Tiger online :yep:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::up:
RDP
Jimbuna
10-29-08, 01:18 PM
Actually, RDP, I think something is messed up on Subsim's end. I've been noticing a lot of double-posts in the past few days.
Is Neal playing WoW again on the same computer that runs the Subsim server? :p
Yeah, noticed that with KL's last post ( although the last line was different ) and a few others.
I'll pass this onto Neal.
@ PT: we'll pin your troubles on us :yep::oops::yep:, this time anyway :lol::lol:
RDP
He is playing T34 vs Tiger online :yep:
I heard it was Aces Of The Deep.....and I've got the pictures to prove it :lol:
AVGWarhawk
10-29-08, 02:26 PM
Probably is playing Aces. Check this out...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=143499
Might be interested in the game and some multiplayer action. :up: It has not hit the shelves here yet. I have been searching.
Jimbuna
10-29-08, 04:25 PM
Prepare for the mayhem and chaos to commence. http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif
No....I don't mean from the game, but from Dowly and Hunter ICX http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7975/gigglebigtb9fg3.gif
I was originally referring to this: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2600/p1000157ah6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sailor Steve
10-29-08, 04:34 PM
The problem with a true comparison of all the supermods is that it would require someone to play all of them - over and over again - and then write a detailed report of the exact differences in gameplay, graphics, sound and everything else. It would require months of dedicated devotion to giving equal time to all, and writing an unbiased report.
Any volunteers? Not me, by the way.
Any other comparison is subjective.
Jimbuna
10-30-08, 12:46 PM
The problem with a true comparison of all the supermods is that it would require someone to play all of them - over and over again - and then write a detailed report of the exact differences in gameplay, graphics, sound and everything else. It would require months of dedicated devotion to giving equal time to all, and writing an unbiased report.
Any volunteers? Not me, by the way.
Any other comparison is subjective.
Pah!! Spoilsport!!
After that fantastic 'Adventure' thread, I'd have thought you were the perfect choice.....with assistance from Brag of course :p
asanovic7
10-31-08, 09:37 AM
Regarding dissappearance of ships, I would just ask the people here, when you uncheck certain thingy in the mission editor while playing with campaign files(I don't remember the name, is it delete on end or something like that), is that the thing that is making those wac ships come to and stay in the ports without vanishing?
Isn't that ram eating disasterously.. And what happens with those ships in port after certain time, they go the same way back?
Just asking because I am wondering the same thing like the starter of this thread..
Cheers!
Jimbuna
11-01-08, 12:35 PM
Regarding dissappearance of ships, I would just ask the people here, when you uncheck certain thingy in the mission editor while playing with campaign files(I don't remember the name, is it delete on end or something like that), is that the thing that is making those wac ships come to and stay in the ports without vanishing?
Isn't that ram eating disasterously.. And what happens with those ships in port after certain time, they go the same way back?
Just asking because I am wondering the same thing like the starter of this thread..
Cheers!
Delete at last waypoint....if it is not ticked, the unit will not disappear.
The build up of ships will cause a reduction in fps.
I've never played that much WAC so I can't say for sure what happens to them.
From looking in mission editor I dont see convoys sailing into port in WAC
Close to yes but not IN
Is easy to look yourself
Not played too much problems with CTDs
onelifecrisis
11-01-08, 12:56 PM
The problem with a true comparison of all the supermods is that it would require someone to play all of them - over and over again - and then write a detailed report of the exact differences in gameplay, graphics, sound and everything else. It would require months of dedicated devotion to giving equal time to all, and writing an unbiased report.
Any volunteers? Not me, by the way.
Any other comparison is subjective.
I'm not sure I entirely agree with you there, Steve. I carefully read the NYGM manual (twice) to see what I would get if I installed it, and I can say (without even having played it once) that -in my opinion- it's not as good as GWX. I can say this because even if it flawlessly delivers everything it says it does then it still won't be half of what I already have in GWX. So unless there's a bunch of undocumented features (I don't mean bugs) then it's just not as good.
To the OP:
I can't really comment on WAC because it's a PC-slayer. My machine can't run it and I don't see the point in trying the "lite" version. But I can heartily recommend GWX especially if you're a 'realism fanatic' as you say. :ping:
asanovic7
11-03-08, 07:05 AM
Regarding dissappearance of ships, I would just ask the people here, when you uncheck certain thingy in the mission editor while playing with campaign files(I don't remember the name, is it delete on end or something like that), is that the thing that is making those wac ships come to and stay in the ports without vanishing?
Isn't that ram eating disasterously.. And what happens with those ships in port after certain time, they go the same way back?
Just asking because I am wondering the same thing like the starter of this thread..
Cheers!
Delete at last waypoint....if it is not ticked, the unit will not disappear.
The build up of ships will cause a reduction in fps.
I've never played that much WAC so I can't say for sure what happens to them.
Thanks for info!
I am allready on the verge of 20fps with mods and gwx2.1.. Wouldn't be good to cut it down more.. 15gb ram, hd2600pro..
BTW..
I have added Holland canals to aotd mad max campaign with ports from sboot(rotterdam is in the wrong place in original?), with several nondelete boaties.. Can I send it to someone to "verify it is correctly done"? Someone with a will?
It is no biggy problem, the dissappearance, I guess, there is enuf boats in the harbors, and entering them is like eating..
Topic..
I never even tried other mods, other than gwx. WAC seems too fps eating and olc has spoken :rotfl:. NYGM looks interesting but I am not shure if I would like to meddle with installation nor do I have disk space..
But I never could understood how can people have 4+ installations of sh3 and play it. I have only one and I barely have the time to play it or will(long long campaigns). I chose one, I am satisfied and surprised what can people do for free(:up:).
Cheers to them!
EDIT: Remembered one more Uber GWX quality: it was made caring for perfomance and caring about players with not so speedy computers.. I am one of them.. The addon mods more than sufficiently let you upgrade gwx to the level of detail you like.. Or can play.. I am hearing about 3.0, I hope this perfomance care will remain important in that release..
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