[REL] U.S. Medals Fix

[CapnScurvy]

This mod will correct the way awards are presented to the player by first changing the stock "order" of the medals which will improve the relationship between what is earned and what is issued. It was found that several inaccuracies that have to do with this "order" prevented the correct medal from being issued, especially to the player/Captain. Secondly the medals were changed to reflect the authentic type and criteria for which they are given. The Congressional Medal of Honor, and Distinguished Service Medal were removed from the game. The Navy Cross and Silver Star were moved up in rank to fill the void. Both the enlisted men and Captain will be given the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal as their initial 1st tier award. The Navy Commendation Medal will be the 2nd tier award followed by the Bronze Star Medal, and so on. It is believed that by changing the specific awards and the various "order" of the awards, a more accurate representation of American awards issued will occur.



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The following image shows the Crew Management screen with all awards displayed.


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To install the mod make sure your current running campaign will have you in port, waiting on another patrol to start. This will ensure a trouble free installation. Of course you can begin a new campaign with the mod installed. Just do not expect to install the mod during an ongoing campaign patrol without the risk of a CTD.

There are various editions of the U.S. Medals Fix that are compatible to other major mods. Install the compatible mod first then install the Medals Fix mod that is made specifically for it. The Medals Fix mod is JSGME ready. Click the below latest editions dated Feb. 2009 for the specific mod you want.




U.S. Medals Fix II_Stock (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=597)

This is for a stock SH4 game with the U-Boat Missions addon patched to the 1.5 version, or the Gold Edition (which are the same). Sorry, there is not a stock version patched only to 1.4



U.S. Medals Fix II_TMO (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=599)

This is for a SH4 1.5 game having the TMO 1.6.2 version installed with it's latest patch 1.6.3.
The order of install should be:

TriggerMaru_Overhaul_162_Full
TriggerMaru_Overhaul_Patch163
U.S. Medals Fix II_TMO



U.S. Medals Fix II_RFBv1.52 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=600)

This edition is compatible with Real Fleet Boat 1.52, it's current Patch_18Jan09, and it's RadarHotfix. Load these first, then the Medals Fix. Although RFB 1.52 has my first Medals Fix included with it, it does not address the medal switch and order as this v.II, nor does it have the changes to the type of medal awarded.




Discussion (revised to v.II Feb 13, 2009)

After lengthy testing I have determined that several key files needed to be corrected to allow for a complete and accurate medals system. This was done with the latest version II. The game does not allow for us to manipulate the "calculations" for awards, but we can change the various parts to match an accurate issue. This was done with the "order" of several files to allow for a correct issue of an award.

From a cosmetic point of view, several medals were removed from the stock game, with others added to fill the void.There are six awards and medals available from highest ranking to lowest. RFB and TMO both use the same awards. Top ranked was the Congressional Medal of Honor, next the Navy Cross, Navy Distinguished Service Medal, Silver Star, Bronze Star Medal, and although it is not an achievement award, nor does it fit in the ranking system, the Purple Heart. My contention for removal of the Navy Distinguished Service Medal was the actual criteria which reads "...of exceptionally mertorious service to the government in a duty of great responsibility". In my opinion, this criteria does not hold true of a sub Captain, and especially not of an enlisted crewman. What I have found is the medal is usually bestowed to senior "Navy Flag and Marine Corps General Officers" not rank and file sub Captains and definitely not to an enlisted man, unless he happened to be on Nimitz's "personal" staff of high enlisted rank. The removal of the Congressional Medal of Honor was done because of my personal belief that the award would not be issued for mearly the calculation of shipping sunk, no matter how high the total.

So, my plan has been to remove the CMOH and DSM from the awards; move up the remaining awards in rank and add the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal and the Navy Commendation Medal.

Another improvement to this latest version is the removal of the original medals from the Captain's Award Box. I have simply eliminated them altogether. No medals will be seen within the box but, by mouse clicking within the box you will be taken to the Captain's written citation and a close up of the awarded medals as in the previous stock method.

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Again, the 1st tier award will be the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal, first received in 1941 as a ribbon. The second tier award will be the Navy Commendation Medal first received in 1943, as a ribbon. I realise I've taken a bit of license in putting these medals into the game, but the use of the Distinguished Service Medal, and Congressional Medal of Honor made much less sense.

This modification does more than simply change the type of medals issued. It has corrected the stock game and previous modded medal fix's in rearranging the "order" of medals issued.


I wish to acknowledge the work done by Metalledges, Midnite1977, and Ducimus for there initial efforts in working towards an authentic awards system for Silent Hunter 4. Without their efforts my contribution may not have been possible. Thanks to all for the great work done.

[aanker]

Thanks! How nice to log on and see your [REL]. Nice job.

Art

[Topo65]

Great Work! :up: THX!!!

[Stary Wuj]

Thank You very much!

With Best Regards!

Stary Wuj

[Sea Otter]

CapnScurvy,

Thanks for this mod. It was much needed!

[TopcatWA]

The Realism just gets bettter & better. Thanks for the mod.:up:

[Lt commander lare]

thanks for the mod this makes the game finally complete other than the lifeguard duty i have never been given that but its still the great game and if it wasnt for all the modders such as yourself the game would beright where it was when it was patched to 1.5 thanks again

lt commander lare

[CapnScurvy]

Thanks everyone for the support!!

I'm going to ask you for your input as you use the modification. I've tested the images to be correct, along with the labels and their presentation order. But, I admitt my tests are not 100% conclusive for an entire campaign from start to finish. What I'm concerned with is the possibility of having an award that seems "out of step" for the results of game play a player may have. What I would not want to see is a Navy Cross awarded for 10,000 tons on a 2nd patrol, when you receive a Bronze Star Medal on the 3rd patrol for 30,000 tons sunk. I would hope a progression of medal rank through out a campaign "seems right" for the tonnage, or number of successful patrols a player has. I believe a modifier for the award system is the number of successful patrols a player makes (the more patrols, the higher the award can be).

I also know that the quality of warships sunk modifies the award results. In my tests I would sink shipping, save the game, then commit sucide by crash diving to see what the game gave as a posthumous award. I found a high quality warship would give a higher ranked medal then a lesser quality warship. For instance, on my first patrol I had saved a game after sinking 1 merchant, and 2 destroyers totaling 6,805 tons. My award was just the Purple Heart; Ok, this sounds about right to me. I reloaded the game, added an Akitsu aircraft carrier and meet my end with 18,605 tons on the books. I received a Purple Heart and the Silver Star. I reloaded the same saved game point and added 1 Mogami CA and another DD for a 18,675 ton total. The awards were a Purple Heart, and a Bronze Star Medal. The point is the CV was appearently ranked higher in quality then the two combined CA and DD. Resulting in a difference in the medals awarded, EVEN though the CV tonnage was less than the other two combined. So be aware there may be some unsuspecting modifiers that play into the awards system.

Again, I would like to know if during your game play that the medals "seem correct" for the efforts you make. I feel I've got things right but, I'll not know for sure until many patrols are run with the results comparied.

[peabody]

Thanks everyone for the support!!

I'm going to ask you for your input as you use the modification. I've tested the images to be correct, along with the labels and their presentation order. But, I admitt my tests are not 100% conclusive for an entire campaign from start to finish. What I'm concerned with is the possibility of having an award that seems "out of step" for the results of game play a player may have. What I would not want to see is a Navy Cross awarded for 10,000 tons on a 2nd patrol, when you receive a Bronze Star Medal on the 3rd patrol for 30,000 tons sunk. I would hope a progression of medal rank through out a campaign "seems right" for the tonnage, or number of successful patrols a player has. I believe a modifier for the award system is the number of successful patrols a player makes (the more patrols, the higher the award can be).

I also know that the quality of warships sunk modifies the award results. In my tests I would sink shipping, save the game, then commit sucide by crash diving to see what the game gave as a posthumous award. I found a high quality warship would give a higher ranked medal then a lesser quality warship. For instance, on my first patrol I had saved a game after sinking 1 merchant, and 2 destroyers totaling 6,805 tons. My award was just the Purple Heart; Ok, this sounds about right to me. I reloaded the game, added an Akitsu aircraft carrier and meet my end with 18,605 tons on the books. I received a Purple Heart and the Silver Star. I reloaded the same saved game point and added 1 Mogami CA and another DD for a 18,675 ton total. The awards were a Purple Heart, and a Bronze Star Medal. The point is the CV was appearently ranked higher in quality then the two combined CA and DD. Resulting in a difference in the medals awarded, EVEN though the CV tonnage was less than the other two combined. So be aware there may be some unsuspecting modifiers that play into the awards system.

Again, I would like to know if during your game play that the medals "seem correct" for the efforts you make. I feel I've got things right but, I'll not know for sure until many patrols are run with the results comparied.

Just a thought, but in the ships .cfg file is a "renown awarded" entry, possibly this might be some indicator of the 'value' the game places on the ship and may go hand in hand with the 'value' it places for medals????

Peabody

[CapnScurvy]

Just a thought, but in the ships .cfg file is a "renown awarded" entry, possibly this might be some indicator of the 'value' the game places on the ship and may go hand in hand with the 'value' it places for medals????

That's a good thought, but don't hold it for too long. :rotfl:

I checked the Akitsu .cfg file and it gives you 400 renown. However, the Mogami gives 500 renown plus the DD I sunk was an Asashio which gives 120 renown. Sooooo, the CV has 400 and the combined CA and DD is 620 renown!?! Unless something really is stinking here, the renown doesn't have much to do with the medals awarded. I could be wrong but, if you knew the mess the stock game files were in for the American medals you could easily argue the renown is screwed up too.

[peabody]

That's a good thought, but don't hold it for too long. :rotfl:


The thought is gone.:lol: Maybe there is a built in craps table, it rolls the dice and that's what you get.

Peabody

[Nisgeis]

Maybe the awards are based on largest single unit tonnage, not cumulative tonnage? Try setting a destoryer to 16,000 tons and sinking one and seeing what you get.

Then again, if that doesn't work, it might be unit type based. The unit type is in the cfg file? Why not try changing the destroyer type to be the same type as the CV and re-sinking the destroyer (at the same tonnage as the CV) - see if you get the same reward as the first time with the CV. Or, it could be unit type and single unit tonnage based - set a destroyer to be same tonnage and type as a CV.

There was a priority order for targets, with CV and AO being at the top of the list. DDs were at the bottom of priority. Perhaps a better award would be given for two heavy cruisers than one, the same as a CV, which is higher on the list? Oh yeah and the priority changed throughout the war, so if the game models it, you may get different results depending on the year.

[CapnScurvy]

Nisgeis, you've got some interesting ideas there for testing!! :know: You would be right to try those ideas for testing the "what or how" in figuring the awards calculations. It's just the system seems to work about right (whatever the process) for giving medals once the right medal order was figured out (I think). The process would be suspect of problems if a Coastal Merchant produced a larger award then say a Heavy Cruiser warship. However, as far as I know this is not the case. What I really need is some regular game play results with several patrols under the belt to see if the medals are still reasonably issued. I'm fairly certain the lower half of medals preform about right but, I'm concerned about the upper medals like the Silver Star, Navy Cross, The Congressional Medal of Honor being in a reasonable order for issue.

[groomsie]

Have has this downloaded for several days but needed to finish my patrol to activate the mod. Implemented last night and it looks great! Nice work.

[CapnScurvy]

I have updated the U.S. Medals Fix modification with the latest release date of Oct. 3 2008. Because of a conflict between the Captain's award and the crew awards where the same label description had to be used for both, I have decided to remove the "Dolphins Badge" from the Crew awards and replace this 1st tier award with the Navy Commendation Medal. This will allow for a better written award citation (which I also improved) for the Captain.

I also removed the conflicting medals from the Captain's Award Box (found in the office). No medals will be seen in the Box when opened now. However, when mouse clicking the interior, the screen will change to whatever medals the Captain has received along with the new written citation. To change medals (if more than one has been issued) clicking on the small "left hand" icons will take you to that specific medal.

[<Jason>]

just to let you know, in case you didnt catch it:

in the first screenshot, their is a typo.

It says, "The Predident of the Unites States".

gonna try this mod as soon as im back in port. :D

[CapnScurvy]

Welcome <Jason> to SubSim.

No, I didn't catch this typing error until you brought it up!! Thanks for the eagle eye. I have uploaded a corrected version to FileFront dated today Oct. 27, 2008 for all effected editions. I would shoot my poof reader, but the damn guy is me!!

Thanks again

[SinkingDDT]

How do I install this?

Pretend I really don't know what I am doing, don't know what an ".r.r" file is, and am likely to injure myself if you use big words?


Thanks much!:huh:

[peabody]

How do I install this?

Pretend I really don't know what I am doing, don't know what an ".r.r" file is, and am likely to injure myself if you use big words?


Thanks much!:huh:

Welcome aboard, I see a Nov join date, so I will assume "You don't know what you are doing". Neither do I.:lol:

Before you start you need SH4 with the Uboat add on Pack. Commonly called SH4 1.5, if you do not have 1.5 and are on 1.4 without the Uboat Add on, you will have to check with Capn Scurvy to see if this will work.

First, if you don't have it, you need Jonesoft Generic Mod Enabler (JSGME as it is referred to) http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/products-jsgme.html (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/software/products-jsgme.html)

Read the directions: You will put it in your Silent Hunter folder. If you have a default install, you put it in C:\program Files\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacifc.
You run it once to make a 'snapshot' of your install and create a MODS folder at that location.

Download the version of the medals mod that is right for you, if you have no mods then it will be the stock version.

By r.r file I assume that is a typo and you mean .rar file. That is a compressed file like a .zip which you may be more familiar with. You need a program to extract the files. One example is 7zip. Get it here. http://www.7-zip.org/ and install it.

Then download the medals mod and 'extract' to your MODS folder. Or you can extract anywhere then copy it to the MODS folder. Once it is in the mods folder, restart JSGME and it will show on the left hand side. Highlight it and click the arrow to more it to the right hand side. Once the file is on the right side that means it is installed in your game. To disable it, select it and move it back to the left side.
You do not need to disable it each time you play the game, but as you decide to add other mods, you may need , well, sooner or later you WILL need to install them in a certain order, because some mods change the same files as others and they need to be installed in a certain order to work right.
What is happening is basically that JSGME is keeping track of what it changes when you install a mod and puts the game back the way it was when you uninstall. So don't add and delete mods with the game running.

Hope that heads you in the right direction.

Peabody

[Archive1]

This is certainly a badly needed fix. I returned from two very successful patrols (mostly luck) and am now the proud possessor of two (count them!) two Medals of Honor...which is clearly ridiculous and bears no relationship to the difficulty of either patrol - or anything else that took place during the time involved. I've heretofore ignored the 'medals' stuff as badly flawed. Still don't care much about medals, but will give this a try in order to clean up the current foolishness.

Good job, CapnScurvy.

[hyperion2206]

First of all: Thank you for that mod, it was really badly needed! In my current career (before I installed your mod) I've been given 2 MoH and 3 Silver Stars which is really out of whack.
Now I've finished a patrol with your mod and sank 4 ships (1 escort and 3 merchant marus) totaling ca. 14,000 ts and I didn't get a medal. So now I'm wondering what are the requirements for each medal because (and I hope I don't sound to ungrateful;)) 4 ships is a pretty good outcome for a patrol.

[CapnScurvy]

I've finished a patrol with your mod and sank 4 ships (1 escort and 3 merchant marus) totaling ca. 14,000 ts and I didn't get a medal. So now I'm wondering what are the requirements for each medal because (and I hope I don't sound to ungrateful;)) 4 ships is a pretty good outcome for a patrol.

Hello hyperion2206,

Your question does not sound ungrateful at all!! I'm glad you asked. This mod simply changes the "order" by which they are given. I found like many, that the Medal of Honor was given way too easily and I began to search for a cause. In doing so I kept track of actual patrols and logged the results. I found when the stock game intended to issue a Silver Star (Patrol Star) the actual medal received was the Medal of Honor!!! When it intended to issue a Purple Heart you received the Distinguished Service Medal. I located the file that keeps this order and changed the entries to the correct award. Although some other mods did correct parts of this problem (Crew Management Awards) not all of the inaccuracy was solved until the Captain's awards were corrected.

I did not change the games criteria for issuing awards. As I look back over my notes your patrol of 14,000 tons sunk and no award is fairly typical. Because I, like you, don't have access to the developers notes. I can only guess at what it takes to award a specific medal after a certain set of criteria is met. I believe that your realism option plays a factor in award issuance, as well as the number of successfull patrols completed. I do know that a particular ship sunk will rate a higher award if it is of a higher quality than a lessor one. For instance I sunk 30,000 tons of shipping which included an aircraft carrier and received a higher ranking award over the same replayed patrol which didn't include the carrier but had a total of 34,000 tons sunk. The criteria for awards within the game is unchanged by this mod, only the order by how they are issued. In my opinion, your 14,000 tons were "close" to a fulfillment of the award criteria, but not quite there.

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Thank you Peabody for helping SinkingDDT. I've been in and out and just happenned to run over this question. Great explaination, I think we sometimes forget what it was like for us to try our hand at modding our first time and how daunting the procedure to first learn can be. JSGME, FileFront, .rar are all pretty scary to a new recruit.

[hyperion2206]

I've finished a patrol with your mod and sank 4 ships (1 escort and 3 merchant marus) totaling ca. 14,000 ts and I didn't get a medal. So now I'm wondering what are the requirements for each medal because (and I hope I don't sound to ungrateful;)) 4 ships is a pretty good outcome for a patrol.
Hello hyperion2206,

Your question does not sound ungrateful at all!! I'm glad you asked. This mod simply changes the "order" by which they are given. I found like many, that the Medal of Honor was given way too easily and I began to search for a cause. In doing so I kept track of actual patrols and logged the results. I found when the stock game intended to issue a Silver Star (Patrol Star) the actual medal received was the Medal of Honor!!! When it intended to issue a Purple Heart you received the Distinguished Service Medal. I located the file that keeps this order and changed the entries to the correct award. Although some other mods did correct parts of this problem (Crew Management Awards) not all of the inaccuracy was solved until the Captain's awards were corrected.

I did not change the games criteria for issuing awards. As I look back over my notes your patrol of 14,000 tons sunk and no award is fairly typical. Because I, like you, don't have access to the developers notes. I can only guess at what it takes to award a specific medal after a certain set of criteria is met. I believe that your realism option plays a factor in award issuance, as well as the number of successfull patrols completed. I do know that a particular ship sunk will rate a higher award if it is of a higher quality than a lessor one. For instance I sunk 30,000 tons of shipping which included an aircraft carrier and received a higher ranking award over the same replayed patrol which didn't include the carrier but had a total of 34,000 tons sunk. The criteria for awards within the game is unchanged by this mod, only the order by how they are issued. In my opinion, your 14,000 tons were "close" to a fulfillment of the award criteria, but not quite there.

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Thank you Peabody for helping SinkingDDT. I've been in and out and just happenned to run over this question. Great explaination, I think we sometimes forget what it was like for us to try our hand at modding our first time and how daunting the procedure to first learn can be. JSGME, FileFront, .rar are all pretty scary to a new recruit.

Thank your for your answer! I think the devs have stated that the amount of ships you sunk determine which medal you get. But to be honest the only medals I've ever received were either the Bronze Star, Silver Star or the Medal of Honor. I wish I would know the criteria for the Navy Cross which seems to be the medal skippers seemed to get almost exclusively in RL.

[CapnScurvy]

Hyperion2206, the question of what does it take to get a Navy Cross is a good one. I've already said I don't exactly know what it takes to have an award issued, I've just got some ideas that there are several factors that weigh into the mix. Ship quality (1 carrier factors higher than 2 or 3 freighters combined) is just one of them. There could also be the players rank factoring into the medals awarded; LukeFF shares some of the developers insight into what the criteria for advancement is here in this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=144952). Could be the Navy Cross is awarded to advanced rank players.

The trouble is it takes time to finish a particular patrol with successfull results, then return to base to see what the game issues for an award, if any. Then follow with additional patrols to see their results as well. I'm fairly sure of most of the U.S. Medals fix corrections except one part, the CMOH and the Navy Cross. What I've had trouble with is definitely finding the Navy Cross awarded "before" the Medal of Honor. Although the other medals seem correct for their rank, the Navy Cross and the CMOH are hard to figure. I have had the CMOH issued after a refit and doubling the tonnage sunk in one patrol, but would I have received the Navy Cross if I'd not sunk the last 15,000 tons or so? Would I have received the Navy Cross if I'd refit a second time and added to the total, beyond the CMOH issued award amount (if this would be the case, then I'd have proof that the two medals need to be switched).

Right now, the order in rank "seem" fine, but I'm still open to the possibility that the CMOH and the Navy Cross are needing to be switched due to actual patrol results.

Good Hunting

[Te Kaha]

Right now, the order in rank "seem" fine, but I'm still open to the possibility that the CMOH and the Navy Cross are needing to be switched due to actual patrol results.



I think they should be switched. So far I did 14 patrols, received 4 CMOH and 1 Navy Cross - the NC in the 14th (last) patrol, 45,827 tons.

[hyperion2206]

I'm not entirely sure but I think that elanaiba once said (please correct me if I'm wrong) that you need to sink 2 big warships CVs or BBs to get the Navy cross.:hmm:

[Te Kaha]

Here's what I sank on my "Navy Cross-Patrol";

4 Merchants
3 Tankers
2 Terutsuki DD
1 Akatsuki DD
1 Matsu DE
1 Taiyo CVE

Am running RSRD and RFB 1.51

[CapnScurvy]

Right now, the order in rank "seem" fine, but I'm still open to the possibility that the CMOH and the Navy Cross are needing to be switched due to actual patrol results.



I think they should be switched. So far I did 14 patrols, received 4 CMOH and 1 Navy Cross - the NC in the 14th (last) patrol, 45,827 tons.

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Here's what I sank on my "Navy Cross-Patrol";

4 Merchants
3 Tankers
2 Terutsuki DD
1 Akatsuki DD
1 Matsu DE
1 Taiyo CVE


Am running RSRD and RFB 1.51


Te Kaha, were you using the U.S. Medals Fix when you did this Navy Cross-Patrol?


I'm not entirely sure but I think that elanaiba once said (please correct me if I'm wrong) that you need to sink 2 big warships CVs or BBs to get the Navy cross


Hyperion2206, I'm not at all sure about his advice, sorry. :88)

[Te Kaha]

Yes Captain, I use it since it became available - but it's the 1st version with the Dolphin's Badge, I want this one included and don't mind any messed up labels.

[CapnScurvy]

Yes Captain, I use it since it became available - but it's the 1st version with the Dolphin's Badge, I want this one included and don't mind any messed up labels.

Thanks for getting back to me. This is the kind of information I've been looking for.

So to be clear, your using one of the first U.S. Medals Fix versions, with RFB 1.51 & RSRDC, during the same campaign you received 4 CMOH medals on previous different patrols, and on the 14th patrol with the listed shipping sunk, and a 45,000+ tons total, you received a Navy Cross. Is this correct?

If this is correct then I've got a couple of more questions for you. You may not remember the specific patrols the previous CMOH medals were given but do you have any information about them at all? I'm not looking for the specific objectives but I'm wondering about the tonnage sunk. Do you remember their approximate totals; did you sink "quality" ships (like a carrier, or a BB, or a couple of CA's) during these particular patrols? I guess I'm wondering; Did it feel to you that the patrols the CMOH's were awarded were "less accomplished" than the 14th patrol that the Navy Cross was awarded?

I should tell you, there is no difference in the older U.S. Medals Fix with the "Dolphins" as an award, in regards to the medal "order" comparied to the latest "Navy Commendation" award fix. The first to last tier awards are in the same "order" no matter which of the actual medals are shown.

[Te Kaha]

So to be clear, your using one of the first U.S. Medals Fix versions, with RFB 1.51 & RSRDC, during the same campaign you received 4 CMOH medals on previous different patrols, and on the 14th patrol with the listed shipping sunk, and a 45,000+ tons total, you received a Navy Cross. Is this correct?


Yes, correct.


If this is correct then I've got a couple of more questions for you. You may not remember the specific patrols the previous CMOH medals were given but do you have any information about them at all? I'm not looking for the specific objectives but I'm wondering about the tonnage sunk. Do you remember their approximate totals; did you sink "quality" ships (like a carrier, or a BB, or a couple of CA's) during these particular patrols? I guess I'm wondering; Did it feel to you that the patrols the CMOH's were awarded were "less accomplished" than the 14th patrol that the Navy Cross was awarded?


I don't have the specific data at hand at the moment, but all CMOH patrols were with tonnage around 50,000 to 60,000, and all were merchants and destroyers only. In one patrol I sank 2 Atago-Class cruisers, but can't remember if I was awarded the CMOH. I need to check when I am at home again.

And yes, I feel that for the 14th patrol I should have been awarded the CMOH and for the other patrols the NC, since in this patrol I was chasing Ozawa's Northern Force during the Battle of Leyte for about 75 nm, sank the 2 DD, 1 DE, and 1 CVE.

Maybe the tonnage should be set higher for "merchants only" patrols to get the CMOH, or, if this can be implemented, the number of tankers or any high-value ships should be taken into account.

[Te Kaha]

Here's the data - forgot I took my laptop with me... ;)

.) CMOH for patrol tonnage of 72,775, including;

8 merchants
1 tanker
2 Atago-Class CA

.) CMOH for patrol tonnage of 67,690, including;

8 merchants
4 tankers

.) CMOH for patrol tonnage of 39,769 (checked twice), including;

7 merchants
1 tanker
1 No 13 AM Minesweeper

.) CMOH for patrol tonnage of 81,714, including;

10 merchants
3 tankers
1 life raft - yes I'm mean

Beats me why I was awarded the CMOH for the 39,769 tons patrol...
Shows that my memory and the actual data doesn't match! :lol:

[Te Kaha]

Could be the 39,000 tons patrol was the last patrol without any Medals Fix. Somehow I remember I found it funny to get yet another and yet another CMOH with the Fix, so dismiss this one out of the statistic regarding the Fix.

[CapnScurvy]

Thank you Te Kaha.

I've been waiting for some collaborative evidence regarding these two medals (Navy Cross and CMOH). I have had a suspicion about these two medals since day one. If you read one of my early posts in this thread (dated 9/21), I hoped I could get feed back on this very area of concern. Make no mistake, the stock game medal system is a ridiculous group of files and images that contradict themselves both for the Captain/player and the crew awards.

Maybe the tonnage should be set higher for "merchants only" patrols to get the CMOH, or, if this can be implemented, the number of tankers or any high-value ships should be taken into account.

The problem is this data is not available for a modder to manipulate (hardcoded within the game structure), or it's at least not understandable for us to use. For those of you who would like to take a stab at what I'm talking about, take a look at the file named "medals.cfg" found in the Data\Cfg folder. If you can figure what the 20 different entries are (0-19), within the two different groups, then "Mother-pin-a-rose-on-me"!!!

Anyway, thanks Te Kaha for your insite. I realise there are few gamers that play this game long enough to get the kind of feed back you have. My plan is to switch these two higher tier medals in an update. I don't think a switch could do any harm beyond what we are using now.

This won't be soon though, I'm building a new computer after my old one won't access the graphic card (motherboard issue). I've been using the wife's laptop to keep up with the forum.

Best Regards

[CapnScurvy]

Could be the 39,000 tons patrol was the last patrol without any Medals Fix. Somehow I remember I found it funny to get yet another and yet another CMOH with the Fix, so dismiss this one out of the statistic regarding the Fix.

I just read this entry as I was posting my last response. Now that you say this I'm wondering if all is not well after all?!?! Mind you, I have not changed the criteria for a specific award, I have changed the "order" of which medal is received within the tier group of six. Just looking at pure tonnage you received a CMOH for a 72,000, 67,000, and a 81,000 ton patrol. You received a Navy Cross for a 45,000 ton patrol. Off the cuff, that sounds about right to me. I know, I'm not a fan of the game issuing a CMOH for ANY tonnage sunk no matter what the high figure! But, since I don't have control over what the game calculates as a specific criteria for a specific medal the only change we can make is to the medals being in a correct "order" of rank. With what you have here, it seems that's what we have.

Go figure :hmm:

[banjo]

Using TMO, RSRDC and the medals mod in a 1943 carreer in a Balao I was just awarded the MOH for 8 merchies, 2 PB's and a Subchaser. Tonnage was about 38K I think. Can let you know for sure on that if you need it.

[CapnScurvy]

Using TMO, RSRDC and the medals mod in a 1943 carreer in a Balao I was just awarded the MOH for 8 merchies, 2 PB's and a Subchaser. Tonnage was about 38K I think. Can let you know for sure on that if you need it.

Yes, I'd like to know for certain.

One thing that could be playing an additional factor in awards issued is the realism settings. Having the realism % high with manual targeting, no map contacts checked COULD play a role as modifing the awards. In other words, a player who has his options set low may have the games award criteria for the top tier award (CMOH) set at say 50,000 tons, where a high setting may be 35,000. I guess I'd like to look at all the factors a player is using before passing judgement. You can't compare apples to oranges. As I stated several posts ago, the player rank and/or the number of successfull patrols completed could modify the results as well.

Again, the more important question to ask yourself is: If I received a CMOH for a 38,000 ton patrol, will (or have) I receive(d) a Silver Star or Navy Cross for a 47,000+ ton total on another patrol, with no changes to my options or rank, and nothing major changed in the actual "quality" of the ships sunk?

[banjo]

You may be right that the game gives out medals according to the difficulty setting of the player. This could include the difficulty of the career you select when you start each career, i.e. Easy, Normal, Hard and/or the options one selects to determine the percent of authenticity. If this is true I would think it would be a insurmountable can of worms for you. Anyway...

This was my 11th patrol in this career but my 3rd with your medal mod implemented. In the first 8 patrols I got a CMOH each time. In my first patrol with the medal mod (9th career patrol) I got the Dist Serv Cross, in the next the Silver Star and the CMOH in the 11th. In the 11th patrol I sunk 46K tonnage, ships as specified in my previous post.

I selected Hard mode when I started the career, and play with all the difficulty settings on except Manual targetting and Dud torpedos. In TMO this gives me 75% authenticity but in stock I seem to remember it was 64%.

Also, no biggee, but just so you know, the medals themselves no longer appear in the awards splash screen nor in the medals box on the desk.

Hope this helps.

[CapnScurvy]

Hey Banjo, what the heck is the Dist Serv Cross??? :88)

I removed the Distinguished Service Medal from the game with this mod. Did you mean the Navy Cross? What I hope happened with your three patrols is that the total tonnage of the 9th (if it was the Navy Cross) was greater than the 10th patrol Silver Star, and the 11th (46,000 ton) CMOH was greater than the other two. If that's how it went then all is well with the mod.

I'm not sure what you mean with the awards "splash screen", but the medals not appearing in the Captain's office medals desk box is by design. That's how I got around the problem of having the stock medal shapes still appear within the box when the modded medals are awarded.

I know some gamers may think the constant issue of a CMOH is too much after sinking 40 something thousand tons, BUT in real life that kind of total for a single patrol was almost unheard of. If you're getting tired of receiving the ultimate award for your efforts may I suggest you up the ante by using manual targeting and no contacts updated checked in the options. Then see if you can get a Medal of Honor, that Green Triangle thingie will make you go blind!!!! :dead:

[Red Heat]

This mod will correct the way awards are presented to the player by first changing the stock "order" of the medals which will improve the relationship between what is earned and what is issued. It was found that several inaccuracies that have to do with this "order" prevented the correct medal from being issued, especially to the player/Captain. Secondly the medals were changed to reflect the authentic type and criteria for which they are given. The Distinguished Service Medal was removed from the game and the Silver Star and Bronze Star Medal were moved up in rank to fill the void. Both the enlisted men and Captain will be given the Navy Commendation Medal as their initial 1st tier award. It is believed that by changing the specific awards and the various "order" of the awards, a more accurate representation of American awards issued will occur.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/NavyCommendation.jpg

The following image shows the Crew Management screen with the Navy Commendation Medal added to the awards list.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/Crew.jpg

To install the mod make sure your current running campaign will have you in port, waiting on another patrol to start. This will ensure a trouble free installation. Of course you can begin a new campaign with the mod installed. Just do not expect to install the mod during an ongoing campaign patrol without the risk of a CTD.

There are various editions of the U.S. Medals Fix that are compatible to other major mods like TMO 1.5.2, or RFB 1.51 062408. Install the compatible mod first then install the Medals Fix mod that is made specifically for it next. The Medals Fix mod is JSGME ready. Click the latest editions dated Oct. 27 '08 for the specific mod you want.


U.S. Medals Fix Stock 1.5 (http://files.filefront.com/US+Medals+Fix+Stock15rar/;12175758;/fileinfo.html)

U.S. Medals Fix TMO 1.5.2 (http://files.filefront.com/US+Medals+Fix+TMO152rar/;12175726;/fileinfo.html)

U.S. Medals Fix RFB 1.51 062408 (http://files.filefront.com/US+Medal+Fix+RFB151+062408rar/;12175736;/fileinfo.html)

Note: The U.S. Medals Fix is intergraded within the latest RFB 1.52 102508


Discussion

There are six awards and medals available from highest ranking to lowest. RFB and TMO both use the same awards. Top ranked is the Congressional Medal of Honor, next the Navy Cross, Navy Distinguished Service Medal, Silver Star, Bronze Star Medal, and although it is not an achievement award, nor does it fit in the ranking system, the Purple Heart. My contention is the authentic Navy Distinguished Service Medal has a criteria which reads "...of exceptionally mertorious service to the government in a duty of great responsibility". In my opinion, this criteria does not hold true of a sub Captain, and especially not of an enlisted crewman. What I have found is the medal is usually bestowed to senior "Navy Flag and Marine Corps General Officers" not rank and file sub Captains and definitely not to an enlisted man, unless he happened to be on Nimitz's "personal" staff of high enlisted rank.

So, my plan was to remove the DSM from the awards, move up the Silver Star and Bronze Star Medal in rank and add the Navy Commendation Medal as a 1st tier award.


The Navy Commendation Medal is the lowest tier award for both Captain and crew. The "Dolphins" Badge was orginally used in this mod for the crew's 1st tier award. After some debate I decided to remove the Dolphins Badge from the game in favor of the Navy Commendation Medal. My largest concern was due to the Captain's written citation which originally needed to describe both "Enlisted Dopphin's Badge - Captain's Commendation Medal" in it's form. I felt this unnecessary description needed to be corrected, along with a general improvement of the citation. This latest version dated Oct. 27, 2008 has both issues met for the written citation. Plus a correction in a spelling typo.


Another improvement to this latest version is the removal of the original medals from the Captain's Award Box. I have simply eliminated them altogether. No medals will be seen within the box but, by mouse clicking within the box you will be taken to the Captain's written citation and a close up of the awarded medals as in the previous stock method.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/CaptainOffice.jpg

Again, the 1st tier award will be the Navy Commendation Medal, first received in 1943 as a ribbon. I realise I've taken a bit of license in putting this medal into the game but the use of the Distinguished Service Medal made much less sense.

This modification does more than simply change the type of medals issued. It has corrected the stock game and previous modded medal fix's in rearranging the "order" of medals issued. No more will you receive a Medal of Honor without due player/Captain effort.


I wish to acknowledge the work done by Metalledges, Midnite1977, and Ducimus for there initial efforts in working towards an authentic awards system for Silent Hunter 4. Without their efforts my contribution may not have been possible. Thanks to all for the great work done.


Ahoy,

For sometimes i had some dificulty to understand "the true meaning of the words" in English language...my question its this mod its compatible to SH4 PATCH 1.4?
This is the mods im running in the game:

. Foofighters sargo black with hi-res v2 (skin)

. Ruimv1.0 for SH4v 1.4

. Ruimv1.0 for SH4v 1.4 Enlisted Ranks

. Ruimv1.0 for SH4v 1.4 awards add-on

. diveratedRC2

. NSM4 classic

. ASW 9.0 Standart 1.4

. Kosh Stealthy sub v1.22b

* Thanks in advance, mates... :up:

[CapnScurvy]

Hello Red Heat, you asked if the mod is compatible with SH4 1.4, saddly it is not.

I have tried to implement the same structure of the mod into the 1.4 framework but I was unsuccessfull. I spent a lot of time trying different things to make it work but the structure of the game prior to the 1.5 Addon would not allow me to. There are just some things we can't do. :cry:

[Red Heat]

Hello Red Heat, you asked if the mod is compatible with SH4 1.4, saddly it is not.

I have tried to implement the same structure of the mod into the 1.4 framework but I was unsuccessfull. I spent a lot of time trying different things to make it work but the structure of the game prior to the 1.5 Addon would not allow me to. There are just some things we can't do. :cry:

Hello

Thank you for the fast info about the mod, i was hoping to use it in the game, but its not possible...any away looks to me a great job, thanks for sharing with us and keep the good work mate! :up:

[banjo]

Went back and looked. It was the Distiguished Service Medal.

[CapnScurvy]

Went back and looked. It was the Distiguished Service Medal.

Thanks for getting back with me. You should check to see if the U.S. Medals Fix is really installed within your game. I removed both the image and the reference to the Distinguished Service Medal. There should be no mention of it on the written citation, and to be sure, the citation should read like the one that is pictured in the first post of this thread (shows the Navy Commendation Medal).

One quick way of checking is to open the Medals Box on the Captain's Desk back in port. When you mouse over the interior it should state "CLICK TO VIEW AWARDS". U.S. Medals Fix is not installed if it simply reads "AWARDS", or shows a medal within the interior.

[banjo]

No, it's installed as you say. Maybe I installed it the mission after I got the DSM--I wrote my post from memory--not a good thing nowadays. :nope:

[SinkingDDT]

Modders,

First, let me say--I'M NOT WORTHY!

Second, if I break down and buy the newest SH4 (with the U-Boat add-ons), I have 1.5, right? Will this medals fix work with that version? My 8-year-old just had a sub christmas-- 28" Seawolf model, Gato model, Nautilus model, small Seawolf, Type VII and some modern Japanese sub I can't recall, and his dad bought him a really cool navy ball cap with dolphins, scrambled eggs and commander rank on it. He is on an underwater roll (though he inexplicably hates having to use the TDC and realistic targeting with me... ). I'll buy the new version if I can get him actual US awards.

Third, if I am not clear, you modders amaze me. Thanks for doing this, Cap'n.

[CapnScurvy]

SinkingDDT, Welcome to SubSim!!

Yes, the stand alone U-Boat Missions Addon is patch 1.5. The patch 1.5 is the latest from UbiSoft and they saw fit to couple it with the U-Boat addon. U.S. Medals Fix works with 1.5. Unfortunately it does not work with the game patched to only 1.4 or earlier. Believe me I've tried but the structure of the game changed quite a bit between 1.4 and 1.5 when it comes to the awards. I was able to work with the newer version much easier then with the old.

If you can find the "Gold Edition" of SH4 it has the latest patch 1.5 and the U-boat missions all rolled in one.

Thanks for the kind words.
Best regards

[groomsie]

Curious if this works with the recent update to TMO... Anyone tried it?

[CapnScurvy]

Curious if this works with the recent update to TMO... Anyone tried it?

If you mean the TMO_1.6.2, I haven't taken a look at it yet. Off the cuff I'll say no for right now. Probably just too many changes to make it even closely compatable.

However, it will work with the TMO 1.55 Update for the 1.5.2. The update did change some text at the Main Menu screen; such as adding the "German Campaign" to the menu list (it used to read "---") and the listed title of the mod was changed to 1.55 instead of 1.52.

Those changes and a couple other minor ones are all that is different as far as the U.S. Medals Fix is concerned. I will make another mod to update these minor changes, but for now the "U.S. Medals Fix TMO1.52" is compatable to the 1.55 Update less a few text changes.

[groomsie]

Last night I activated this MOD and started SH4...saw the start-up menu changed back to "---" where the German Campaign should be (the most recent TMO 1.6.2 corrected this for me). So, I chickened out and deactivated the MOD. Can't state any other issues of conflict, but it appears there is at least some minor areas of conflict with TMO 1.6.2.

Hopefully this can be modified to work with 1.6.2 in the near future, as I do like this mod...

[E.B. Fluckey]

Perhaps it should just be rolled into TMO and RFB so we don't have to install a seperate mod.

[CapnScurvy]

Perhaps it should just be rolled into TMO and RFB so we don't have to install a seperate mod.

It is in RFB 1.52, but not TMO. I'll be making it compatable to the latest of TMO 1.6.2 soon.

[Te Kaha]

Something interesting on the subject "how does the game award medals";

1 Patrol, 53,768 tons sunk, 3 objectives completed - Medal of Honor

1 Patrol, 51,876 tons sunk, 1 objective completed - Navy Cross

[CapnScurvy]

Something interesting on the subject "how does the game award medals";

1 Patrol, 53,768 tons sunk, 3 objectives completed - Medal of Honor

1 Patrol, 51,876 tons sunk, 1 objective completed - Navy Cross


I've been spending a lot of time lately looking at the mechanics of the awards and trying to figure out what triggers what. Using the Stock game I've been having to complete objectives, sink shipping, save game points, kill myself and see what I get as a final reward. This process is very time consuming when all I really need to know is what the heck the devs have hard coded in the game to make the factors for calculating awards. For some reason, I feel the Data/Cfg/medals.cfg file has something big to do with it. The following is a part of that file:

[AWARDED_MEDAL_0]
Idx=0
Cantity=1
[AWARDED_MEDAL_1]
Idx=1
Cantity=2
[AWARDED_MEDAL_2]
Idx=2
Cantity=0
[AWARDED_MEDAL_3]
Idx=3
Cantity=0
[AWARDED_MEDAL_4]
Idx=4
Cantity=20
[AWARDED_MEDAL_5]
Idx=5
Cantity=3
[AWARDED_MEDAL_6]
Idx=6
Cantity=2.......


And so on down to Medal_19.

Then it starts:

[MEDAL_0]
Idx=0
Cantity=1
[MEDAL_1]
Idx=1
Cantity=2
[MEDAL_2]
Idx=2
Cantity=0.......

Down to Medal_19 again. I think the first set is for the Captain, the second set is for the Crew but that's about all I've got for this file. What does the twenty specific index's mean is Greek to me?!

Regarding what you pointed out Te Kaha, I've noticed this too. The number of completed objectives adds a multiplier to the over all award calculation.

So does either having the campaign game start with an "easy" or "very hard" option in realistic play AND the amount of "Renown" you start with. Even though you can set the "realism" setting to whatever you want in the Captain's Office in base. The initial campaign setting makes a modifier as well. Set on "easy" with the starting "renown" at 1000, the first award will be given at about 25,000 tons. On "very hard" with the starting "renown" at 5000, it may take until passing the 41,000 mark to receive the first award.

I know the "quality" of shipping sunk (warship over merchant) makes a difference, and so does the amount of time between sinkings. Quality Warships sunk in so much time (ie. 24 hours) modifies the award outcome.

AND, when you take the trip back to base to complete the patrol, I have noticed a lesser award will be given (if at all) when you return, over committing hara-kiri while out on patrol and receiving the Purple Heart to boot.

What does it all mean???? I don't know :88) except so far, I haven't seen anything out of "order" with the given awards and the Fix. Your example above Te Kaha seems right for the order (CMOH over Navy Cross) even though I wish I knew how to get a bit of separation between the two.

I've been doing this in preparation to make the U.S. Medals Fix compatible with TMO 1.6.2.

[SinkingDDT]

Hey, Capn, I went out and bought GOLD just so I could see actual US medals with your mod.

Simply-- thanks. I hurried through my patrol and got an actual not-made-up US award (which, as I sit here writing this, I can't remember what I got... BUT it was an actual historical award).

Looks GREAT!!:up: Thanks a lot.

[groomsie]

I've been doing this in preparation to make the U.S. Medals Fix compatible with TMO 1.6.2.

How is it coming?:DL

[jazzabilly]

What'd be neat would be a Presidential Unit Citation for a particular boat. I don't see how this could be done, though, given that it was awarded to a boat, and not to a commander as such.

[CapnScurvy]

I've released two editions to bring the U.S. Medals Fix up to date. The versions "II" can be found at the first post of this thread. After many missions and following award results, I determined there were two medals "switched" in their order for issue. Why, who knows, the devs don't talk about it much but the basic stock award system is terrible in it's calculations and results. The stock system has the following medals:

Congressional Medal of Honor= 5th tier
Navy Cross= 4th tier
Distinguished Service Medal= 3rd tier
Silver Star= 2nd tier
Bronze Star= 1st tier
Purple Heart= Wounded/Kia Award

The 3rd and 4th tier awards were switched by the UPC files ID's, which made for the awards to be given incorrectly. The only way to correct this was to switch the name and images to match what is correct. I determined this particular flaw with mission after mission and keeping track of what was awarded. A lengthy process since awards are determined (in part I believe) by total tonnage sunk and quality of ships (warships over freighters, BB's over DD's etc.). The fact that we can't change the "calculation process" for awards, only left the ability to change what we can (images and text descriptions). A poor fix to be sure, but our only one.

While I did eliminate the Distinguished Service Medal in the earlier Fix version(adding the Navy Commendation Medal) I eliminated the Congressional Medal of Honor in this second edition. I just didn't like the idea of the CMOH being given for total tonnage sunk. I added the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal to the group as the 1st tier award and moved the rest up one rank. The Navy Cross will be the top award for Captain and crew alike. Although this is just cosmetic, the real change is to the "order" of medals issued through the game calculations. As I said, the change was done through image changes and text descriptions. I still wish we could get a chance to rewrite the hard coded game to make our corrections there.

[virtualpender]

Excellent work as always. Using the the A-P campaign medal is a very clever solution. Thanks for updating and for making compatible with TMO. Much appreciated!

[Webster]

thank you for another excellent mod :yeah:

keep up the great work

[CapnScurvy]

I thought I'd give a short run down of what prompted me to make some changes to the first U.S. Medals Fix. The element that kept throwing a ringer to me was why a 4th tier award (no matter what we call it) was given before a 3rd tier award. This problem occured with my first Fix, and of course the stock game. In the stock game the medals that switched were the Bronze Star with the Congressional Medal of Honor! Take a guess as to why the Medal of Honor was awarded so easily.


That's where the UPCData\Medals.upc file was messed up (well, at least the hard coded calculations are pooched that uses this information, seems their looking for the wrong medal I.D.). By switching these two ID's the game would award the correct medal!! You may notice that the Crew Management screen (in the picture of the first post of this thread) now has the crewman's center panel showing the medals in correct order. From left to right, the Purple Heart is first, with the 1st tier next, and then up the ladder to the Navy Cross. This positioning was not an accident. With this correct order the medals are awarded correctly for the Captain. Who Knew!?!

Does this mean that the highest tier award will be harder to achieve? Nope, those calculations are again hard coded, but you can feel sure that the award is the correct one, lame as it may be.


=========


On another note, I've added a compatible edition for the RFB 1.52 at the first post of this thread.

[jazzabilly]

Are there any issues with existing careers and awards?

So the CMOH has essentially been removed from the game, then.

[JGoldrick]

Are there any issues with existing careers and awards?

So the CMOH has essentially been removed from the game, then.



I do believe so, I once received 3 during one of my careers, kind of unrealistic for just completing a bunch of objectives and sinking almost the entire Jap fleet. I would have rather found out if I made it to rank of Admiral or such, when the war ended it was kind of anti-climatic. Using TMO+RSRDC.

[CapnScurvy]

Are there any issues with existing careers and awards?


Yes, the Readme spells out the problem and a possible solution. In short the UPCData\UPCCrewData\Medals.upc was modified to correct the medal "identification" by the hard coded award calculation system. It also changed the order of presentation, and the actual text used to describe the specific award (the mouse over text, and the Captain's award written citation).

Unfortunately, this file also is plugged into the saved games folder to keep track of the award calculations at the end of a specific patrol. To keep the saved games straight, the game will use whatever the Medals.upc file states at the time of the patrol start. So, that's why I have in the readme you should be in port, or start a new career, to enable the change. The game will not rechange the information in mid patrol. Neither will it go back through previous saved points and change the initial information it uses to track game play.

As a possible workaround, I have in the Readme the process for manually changing the saved files Medals.upc. It may work to see if a past saved point could be replayed with the new file enabled. Not a guaranteed thing though. In the saved game folders there are all sorts of ways the game keeps track of a patrol's event. It's just safer to enable the modification back in base before you go out on a mission.



So the CMOH has essentially been removed from the game, then.


I do believe so, I once received 3 during one of my careers, kind of unrealistic for just completing a bunch of objectives and sinking almost the entire Jap fleet.


Yes, that's right. the CMOH has been removed from the game. The Navy Cross will be the top tier award. It will still have whatever the game calculates as a criteria for award as the CMOH (again, this is hard coded), but being awarded 3 Navy Cross's makes better sense than 3 CMOH's. I wish there was a way to add various Devices and Attachments to the awards to mark subsequent issue's. We're just lucky to have what we have, anyone seen the original stock awards and their names?!?! :88)

[LukeFF]

CS, is it alright if I roll this into RFB 2.0?

[CapnScurvy]

CS, is it alright if I roll this into RFB 2.0?

Of course Luke. Sorry, I didn't post it to the .ftp site, not enough time in the day.

As Ernest Angley the evangelist would say as he slapped folks on the forehead, "Take what you need"!!

[LukeFF]

Of course Luke. Sorry, I didn't post it to the .ftp site, not enough time in the day.

As Ernest Angley the evangelist would say as he slapped folks on the forehead, "Take what you need"!!

Thanks!

[Kongo Otto]

Just a Question about the Bronze Star Medal.
Wasnt the Bronze Star just exclusivly for the Army in WW2 and not for Air Force and Navy.

Found this, so it confuses me a little bit:

a. The Bronze Star Medal was established by Executive Order 9419, 4 February 1944 (superseded by Executive Order 11046, 24 August 1962).
b. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy; or while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

[LukeFF]

Just a Question about the Bronze Star Medal.
Wasnt the Bronze Star just exclusivly for the Army in WW2 and not for Air Force and Navy.

Found this, so it confuses me a little bit:

a. The Bronze Star Medal was established by Executive Order 9419, 4 February 1944 (superseded by Executive Order 11046, 24 August 1962).
b. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy; or while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
No, there were sailors who were awarded the Bronze Star Medal during the war.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tnsmith/oldpics/kemp_charles.htm (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Etnsmith/oldpics/kemp_charles.htm) :

Charles Lee Kemp was born in Hopkinsville, KY and moved to Florida during World War II. He was in the U.S. Navy and was in 7 major battles in the Pacific even being awarded the Bronze Star Medal for his actions in the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

[CapnScurvy]

Just a Question about the Bronze Star Medal.
Wasnt the Bronze Star just exclusivly for the Army in WW2 and not for Air Force and Navy.

No, there were sailors who were awarded the Bronze Star Medal during the war

Thanks for the reply Luke, you are correct. There are several U.S. Medals that transcend the specific branch a serviceman is enlisted for. The Purple Heart, Bronze Star Medal, and the Silver Star are three that are awarded across the board in all branches of service. There is no change made to the medal or ribbon for a specific branch for these three awards.

The Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal was awarded to all military branches that served only in the Pacific Theater. The Europe-Africa-Middle East Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European-African-Middle_Eastern_Campaign_Medal) was awarded for the European Theater service. Two other medals that transcends the entire U.S. military, including the European Theater, were the American Campaign Medal WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Campaign_Medal), and the Victory Medal WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_Victory_Medal).

[LukeFF]

Thanks for the reply Luke, you are correct. There are several U.S. Medals that transcend the specific branch a serviceman is enlisted for. The Purple Heart, Bronze Star Medal, and the Silver Star are three that are awarded across the board in all branches of service. There is no change made to the medal or ribbon for a specific branch for these three awards.

The Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal was awarded to all military branches that served only in the Pacific Theater. The Europe-Africa-Middle East Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European-African-Middle_Eastern_Campaign_Medal) was awarded for the European Theater service. Two other medals that transcends the entire U.S. military, including the European Theater, were the American Campaign Medal WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Campaign_Medal), and the Victory Medal WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_Victory_Medal).

And to take it a step further, while the Medal of Honor can be awarded to any member of the U.S. military, there are three different versions of the medal:

-The Army version
-The Navy/Marine Corps/Coast Guard version
-The Air Force version

During WWII, members of the Air Force would have been awarded the Army version, given that it wasn't an independent branch of the military at the time.