Anyone seen this? Jimmi Carter calls Obama a 'black boy'...

[Thomen]

... and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".

The hypocrisy and double standards are just amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo09Rx9whWs

[Jimbuna]

Oh, I thinks Obamas response would be quite simply...."Nuts" :lol:

[Digital_Trucker]

Jimmy's not the brightest bulb in the box and it was a very poor choice of words, but I think it was obvious in the video that what he said was not meant in a racist manner. No argument on the media cutting slack where they see fit, though.

Edit : At least he did better than certain other civil rights advocates and didn't use the N word.

[Skybird]

There is no issue at all, so don't create one out of empty blue air. Both context and the way he used the phrase are important and make the difference, and one really needs to have the intention to stir up some trouble in order to see any issue in this snippet.

[Thomen]

Jimmy's not the brightest bulb in the box and it was a very poor choice of words, but I think it was obvious in the video that what he said was not meant in a racist manner. No argument on the media cutting slack where they see fit, though.

Edit : At least he did better than certain other civil rights advocates and didn't use the N word.

Oh, I did not say he meant it in a racist way. The wording was just most curious, since it would be all blown up if the other side had said it.

[Thomen]

There is no issue at all, so don't create one out of empty blue air. Both context and the way he used the phrase are important and make the difference, and one really needs to have the intention to stir up some trouble in order to see any issue in this snippet.

The problem here is: you just see it from a single point of view, namely, how it is handled in Germany. While I do agree with you, here in the US race is a big issue, even if the insult or meaning just exists in ones imagination. In politics it is even worse.

Anyone remember the Black Hole comparison a while back?

[Skybird]

There is no issue at all, so don't create one out of empty blue air. Both context and the way he used the phrase are important and make the difference, and one really needs to have the intention to stir up some trouble in order to see any issue in this snippet.

The problem here is: you just see it from a single point of view, namely, how it is handled in Germany. While I do agree with you, here in the US race is a big issue, even if the insult or meaning just exists in ones imagination. In politics it is even worse.

Anyone remember the Black Hole comparison a while back?
I am totally aware of that, however I did not get the impression that he used the word by mistake. He used it intentionally, to make clear his point.

[Thomen]

There is no issue at all, so don't create one out of empty blue air. Both context and the way he used the phrase are important and make the difference, and one really needs to have the intention to stir up some trouble in order to see any issue in this snippet.
The problem here is: you just see it from a single point of view, namely, how it is handled in Germany. While I do agree with you, here in the US race is a big issue, even if the insult or meaning just exists in ones imagination. In politics it is even worse.

Anyone remember the Black Hole comparison a while back? I am totally aware of that, however I did not get the impression that he used the word by mistake. He used it intentionally, to make clear his point.

I do not disagree with this. However, my point stands. If the republicans or anyone not supporting Obama had said that he/she would be roasted on a stick.

[AVGWarhawk]

It suspect it was not ment in a derogatory manner. Jimmy is from Plains Georgia. Peanut farmer by nature. I suspect Jimmy was using this terminology to show that Obama had disadvantages in our society.

[SimNut]

He was just trying to make a point.

In my lifetime, in the year I was born, a black person in the USA couldn't use a public toilet unless it was designated for them, couldn't sit at the same table as a white person in a restaurant, had to sit in the back of a bus, couldn't use a drinking fountain, etc.

Now that same person can run for President and have a chance to be elected. President Carter is almost twice my age, so I can image what he has seen in his lifetime. The comment was meant to give Obama a pat on the back for demonstrating what is now possible in our country, and showing that to the rest of the world.

We still have a long way to go, so does the rest of the world, but at least we're making progress. I don't think it makes a difference who made the comment. Anything any public person says will be taken out of context for the purpose of sensationalizing a headline and selling news.

[SUBMAN1]

... and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".

The hypocrisy and double standards are just amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo09Rx9whWsTrue words man. What's worse is, if a repub did it, you would get quadruple the media coverage when the parasites Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton have a new platform to stand on, and come they would, out of the woodwork they hide behind.

-S

[OneToughHerring]

Jimmy's not the brightest bulb in the box and it was a very poor choice of words, but I think it was obvious in the video that what he said was not meant in a racist manner. No argument on the media cutting slack where they see fit, though.

Edit : At least he did better than certain other civil rights advocates and didn't use the N word.
Oh, I did not say he meant it in a racist way. The wording was just most curious, since it would be all blown up if the other side had said it.
Racism exists across party lines in US.

... and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".

The hypocrisy and double standards are just amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo09Rx9whWsTrue words man. What's worse is, if a repub did it, you would get quadruple the media coverage when the parasites Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton have a new platform to stand on, and come they would, out of the woodwork they hide behind.

-S

Can I ask you directly, are you a racist?

[Digital_Trucker]

Racism exists across party lines in US.

and the rest of the world, as well:damn:

[Thomen]

Jimmy's not the brightest bulb in the box and it was a very poor choice of words, but I think it was obvious in the video that what he said was not meant in a racist manner. No argument on the media cutting slack where they see fit, though.

Edit : At least he did better than certain other civil rights advocates and didn't use the N word.
Oh, I did not say he meant it in a racist way. The wording was just most curious, since it would be all blown up if the other side had said it.
Racism exists across party lines in US.

... and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".

The hypocrisy and double standards are just amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo09Rx9whWsTrue words man. What's worse is, if a repub did it, you would get quadruple the media coverage when the parasites Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton have a new platform to stand on, and come they would, out of the woodwork they hide behind.

-S
Can I ask you directly, are you a racist?
Disliking, or having a negative opinion on someone does not make him/her a racist. My personal opinion of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is not much better than my opinion on Billary Clinton. I think all three are crooks and liars.

Does that mean I am racist or a chauvinist. Nope. It just means I do not like the persons in question.

[Sailor Steve]

I thought it was obvious that he meant it in the past tense: immediately following the word "boy" come the words "who grew up..."; he refers to fact that Obama was indeed, at one time, a boy.

That said, I take Thomen's original point (and yes, Subman1's too) that if someone high up on the Right had said exactly the same thing it would have been major news.

[OneToughHerring]

Disliking, or having a negative opinion on someone does not make him/her a racist. My personal opinion of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is not much better than my opinion on Billary Clinton. I think all three are crooks and liars.

Does that mean I am racist or a chauvinist. Nope. It just means I do not like the persons in question.
Actually I was asking SUBMAN1 but thanks for the answer anyway.

And yes, to answer Digital Trucker, racism is elsewhere too. However, not all countries can act out their racism in their foreign or indeed domestic policies in such a large scale as the US can.

[Nisgeis]

Wow, this is amazing.

Now, I'm not an officinado of US racism, but I've seen the films where people say 'Boy' and that's a derogatory term, but I've never seen a film or TV production where 'Black Boy' was a derogatory term.

It's clear to me that Jimmy Carter is supporting the candidate, but as he is 84 years old, he may have had a bit of a pause in his cadence. Now, I'm not lucky enough to have grandparents that made it to that age, but I'd like to think they wouldn't have been stoned to death in public for stumbling over a single word.

But the really important thing to remember for all of you people troubled about this is that people should be making up their own minds. Someone could give the most racist speech ever and if a voter agreed with it, do you really doubt the way they'd vote?

Public speakers only change people's points of view if they are able to be swayed. I'm fairly sure that if someone is racist against a certain group, then a TV speech isn't going to change their opinion. No matter if that opinion was for or against.

[Digital_Trucker]

And yes, to answer Digital Trucker, racism is elsewhere too. However, not all countries can act out their racism in their foreign or indeed domestic policies in such a large scale as the US can.
You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?

[Frame57]

Carter, the one former submariner I am ashamed of that wore dolphins. This dirt bag also makes anti-semitic remarks regarding Israel. Does not surprize me at all that he would do this as well. He is why i voted for Regan and Bush is why I am now an Independant.

[Nisgeis]

This dirt bag also makes anti-semitic remarks regarding Israel.

Sorry for my stupidity and logic, but isn't Israel a country and therefore immune to anti-semitic remarks?

[Frame57]

You are not stupid, but the context of his speech and clear support for Islamic terrorist organizations is clear on his stance with the Democracy of Israel.

[Nisgeis]

You are not stupid, but the context of his speech and clear support for Islamic terrorist organizations is clear on his stance with the Democracy of Israel.

Can you quote the parts where he says his views on support for Islamic terrorist organisations is clear?

I'm just not getting that.

Perhaps you are reading into things something that is not there?

If you are reading into things, something that is not there, then that's the true badge of a religous fundamentalist and well done you :up:.

[OneToughHerring]

You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?

What policies? The whole thing? We are talking about a country that was founded by destroying several other cultures and built by importing slave labour from Africa. USA is also almost always at war, this type of behaviour seems to need and feed a kind of inherent racist mentality.

[Happy Times]

You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?

What policies? The whole thing? We are talking about a country that was founded by destroying several other cultures and built by importing slave labour from Africa. USA is also almost always at war, this type of behaviour seems to need and feed a kind of inherent racist mentality.

You really are twisted, maybe you should chance your name to OneSickPuppy.

Regards, Facist

[Digital_Trucker]

You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?
What policies? The whole thing? We are talking about a country that was founded by destroying several other cultures and built by importing slave labour from Africa. USA is also almost always at war, this type of behaviour seems to need and feed a kind of inherent racist mentality.
Forget I asked the question, if you're going to rabidly rave about things that happened hundreds of years ago, I assume that you can't give a rational answer.

[Happy Times]

You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?
What policies? The whole thing? We are talking about a country that was founded by destroying several other cultures and built by importing slave labour from Africa. USA is also almost always at war, this type of behaviour seems to need and feed a kind of inherent racist mentality.

Forget I asked the question, if you're going to rabidly rave about things that happened hundred of years ago, I assume that you can't give a rational answer.

You wont get one, he will claim the Cristian Fundamentalists, Military industrial complex, Mafia and Mossad rule the ignorant, racist, facist, redneck American people on their genocides and evil plans over the globe.

[Mush Martin]

What is the actual purpose of this thread the furtherance of the
betterment of society or subsim as a community.

to me it looks an awful lot like an attack
and just for the record.

your statements show you seeming to be prejudiced against
national level politicians. do you know any?

you see a prejudice is broken down to mean to Pre judge someone
based on essoteric impressions.

so I ask again do you know even one of the people youve publicly
slandered? or are you prejudiced?:nope:

[Thomen]

What is the actual purpose of this thread the furtherance of the
betterment of society or subsim as a community.

to me it looks an awful lot like an attack
and just for the record.

your statements show you seeming to be prejudiced against
national level politicians. do you know any?

you see a prejudice is broken down to mean to Pre judge someone
based on essoteric impressions.

so I ask again do you know even one of the people youve publicly
slandered? or are you prejudiced?:nope:

I will just be blunt and assume you are talking me, since you did not quote anybody.

So, if you do not know anybody personally you are not allowed to form an opinion about him or her? Do I get that right?
Gee.. how do you elect officals? A Lottery?

[OneToughHerring]

You must be talking about a different country than the one I live in. Or perhaps, you view it differently because you don't reside here. What foreign or domestic policies of the USA do you view as racist?:hmm: And are you speaking of the citizens of the country or the government of the country?
What policies? The whole thing? We are talking about a country that was founded by destroying several other cultures and built by importing slave labour from Africa. USA is also almost always at war, this type of behaviour seems to need and feed a kind of inherent racist mentality.
Forget I asked the question, if you're going to rabidly rave about things that happened hundreds of years ago, I assume that you can't give a rational answer.

Oh I'm not saying that there isn't anything wrong with, for example, the country I live in terms to race issues, like I said these are global issues. However if we are discussing race issues in USA then I'll focus on the past, present and possible future of that country.

And if you think the native American question is "hundred years ago" and bygone era then I'd say you're wrong. The native American issue is still very much alive, as are the African Americans about slavery. Obama isn't talking about reparations for slavery but the issue lingers. Although I'm sure whites in US would most likely see these issues as ancient history and over and dealt with.

[Digital_Trucker]

Oh I'm not saying that there isn't anything wrong with, for example, the country I live in terms to race issues, like I said these are global issues. However if we are discussing race issues in USA then I'll focus on the past, present and possible future of that country.

And if you think the native American question is "hundred years ago" and bygone era then I'd say you're wrong. The native American issue is still very much alive, as are the African Americans about slavery. Obama isn't talking about reparations for slavery but the issue lingers. Although I'm sure whites in US would most likely see these issues as ancient history and over and dealt with.
Obama isn't talking about reparation for slaves, because there are no slaves to pay reparations to. I wonder how many folks are alive today that even remember a relative that was a slave. Slavery was abolished 143 years ago. I agree, it was a horrible thing and shouldn't ever have occurred. On the other hand, the slaves own country-men were known to round them up and sell them to the slave holders, too, so should reparations be paid to the remaining relatives of slaves by the country of Africa? How about the slave traders (Danish and French among others) who transported them here? Should the Danes and the French also pay reparations for their part in the transport of slaves?

What our ancestors did to the Native Americans was abhorrent also. Rather than claim that all of America is rife with racism because of these happenings from hundreds of years ago, perhaps, you, in all your wisdom could suggest where we go from here? After all, we have no choice, we are at this point in time and I doubt that we will be able to go back in time to right these wrongs.

I don't advocate forgetting the past, neither should one live in it.

[1480]

DT I have the perfect solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl-N__xMwds

[Frame57]

You are not stupid, but the context of his speech and clear support for Islamic terrorist organizations is clear on his stance with the Democracy of Israel.

Can you quote the parts where he says his views on support for Islamic terrorist organisations is clear?

I'm just not getting that.

Perhaps you are reading into things something that is not there?

If you are reading into things, something that is not there, then that's the true badge of a religous fundamentalist and well done you :up:.I can dig it up from savages archives and will post it, need a little time though, I am bushed.

[Jimbuna]

Come on peeps....this whole thread is beginning to develop into something like the Frankenstein monster that got out of control :hmm:

[joegrundman]

i think it's a storm in a teacup about the fact that there isn't a storm in a teacup...or something...:hmm:

[mrbeast]

Carter, the one former submariner I am ashamed of that wore dolphins. This dirt bag also makes anti-semitic remarks regarding Israel. Does not surprize me at all that he would do this as well. He is why i voted for Regan and Bush is why I am now an Independant.

Where are the anti-smetic remarks?

I know Carter recently published a book which was highly critical of Israeli policy regarding the Palestinians but where s he anti-semetic?

[Frame57]

Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.

Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.

Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.

Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.

The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.

[mrbeast]

Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

I don't undestand why its 'obviously' an anti-semetic book? Because it aludes to comparing Israel to Apartied South Africa? Should Israel be immune from criticism it doesn't like on pain of being called an anti-semite? :roll: :nope:

I once watched a TV interview where an illegal Jewish settler was asked what he would do if the Israeli government told him to leave. His answer IIRC was 'Then anti-semitism knows no bounds'!

Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.

Hmmm sounds like another soundbite, out of context, quote......in fact pretty much like him calling Obama a 'black boy'.

Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.

See above

Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.

From the Carter Centre's website:

Hamas had been declared a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel, and the elected Palestinian government was forced to dissolve. Eventually, Hamas gained control of Gaza, and Fatah is "governing" the Israeli-dominated West Bank. Opinion polls show Hamas steadily gaining popularity. Since there can be no peace with Palestinians divided, we at the Carter Center believed it important to explore conditions allowing Hamas to be brought peacefully back into the discussions. (A recent poll of Israelis, who are familiar with this history, showed 64 percent favored direct talks between Israel and Hamas.)

Because Carter talked to Hamas doesn't mean he denies that they have committed attrocities in the past. Somebody is going to have to talk in the end look at the situation in Northern Ireland, where incidently quite a few Americans refused to recognise the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.

When? Which Palestinians? Which two state proposal?

Perhaps if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on Palestinian land a two state solution might be more attractive?:hmm:

The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.

Nice article from a good, non biased publication :nope:

Wonder if he has as many Saudi backers as the Bush family? :hmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

No offence to the OP, but I mean come on. Haven't you been unable to remember a person's name and said "That black boy" or "That Indian kid" or "That Italian fellow"? Jimmy Carter is perhaps one of the least racist people who was involved with politics...

And as far as him not being the "brightest bulb in the box", the man is nearly 84 years old (he will be 84 on October 1st)... cut him some slack.

[Thomen]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

No offence to the OP, but I mean come on. Haven't you been unable to remember a person's name and said "That black boy" or "That Indian kid" or "That Italian fellow"? Jimmy Carter is perhaps one of the least racist people who was involved with politics...

And as far as him not being the "brightest bulb in the box", the man is nearly 84 years old (he will be 84 on October 1st)... cut him some slack.
Ok, let me clear something up before another lecture comes /jk

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.

...and it does not make headlines. Anyone want to bet if that would have been said a Republican, people would scream bloody murder. So much to " there is no liberal media bias".

I apologize for not clearifying my point in the OP.

EDIT: Just to be on the safe side let me also clarify: I assume, that he meant it in the best spirit of support amd did not intend to talk down on the candidate. ;)

[joegrundman]

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.



but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.

[Thomen]

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.


but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.


You know that it happens all the time, I know it and everybody with half a brain knows that it happens.

But, to satisfy you, here is Jimmi Carter, taken out of context in a different issue.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/29/carters_remark_taken_out_of_context_deemed_outrage ous_by_fox.php


Ann Coulter
/facepalm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256860,00.html

Obama
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/378/

Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/30/politics/fromtheroad/entry4306672.shtml

If you want more, I suggest you google it yourself. ;)

[joegrundman]

My intention was NOT to put Jimmi Carter out there as a racist. I never called him that. Yes, I know how the word is used and what meaning it has and had. My intention was to show that if anyone not from the Obama side had said it, it would make headlines.


but you haven't shown this either - all we have is your assertion that it is so. You need to present instances of similar "out-of context" quote picking by other parties which did lead to a major drama in order to show this.

You know that it happens all the time, I know it and everybody with half a brain knows that it happens.

But, to satisfy you, here is Jimmi Carter, taken out of context in a different issue.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/29/carters_remark_taken_out_of_context_deemed_outrage ous_by_fox.php


Ann Coulter
/facepalm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256860,00.html

Obama
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/378/

Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/30/politics/fromtheroad/entry4306672.shtml

If you want more, I suggest you google it yourself. ;)

It is entirely irrelevent whether "everybody knows it" or not. You say you wanted to show, but you didn't do it, you simply asserted.

Your three linked supporting comments fail somehow to qualify. The two about Obama clearly fail to demonstrate how this sort of storm only applies to those not in the Obama camp

the one by Coulter is maybe more appropriate, but you could argue that her comments were not taken out of context.

[Thomen]

It is entirely irrelevent whether "everybody knows it" or not. You say you wanted to show, but you didn't do it, you simply asserted.
In that case I will rest peacefully with the knowledge that I am not alone in my assertion and that is good enough for me.

[Frame57]

Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, is obviously an anti-semitic book. Most Jewish organizations have voiced this as well. Carter has since tasked the publisher with editing much of the books comments.

I don't undestand why its 'obviously' an anti-semetic book? Because it aludes to comparing Israel to Apartied South Africa? Should Israel be immune from criticism it doesn't like on pain of being called an anti-semite? :roll: :nope:

I once watched a TV interview where an illegal Jewish settler was asked what he would do if the Israeli government told him to leave. His answer IIRC was 'Then anti-semitism knows no bounds'!

Monroe Freedman former director of the holocaust memorial council was told by Carter that the council had "too many Jews on it", thusly would not support it.

Hmmm sounds like another soundbite, out of context, quote......in fact pretty much like him calling Obama a 'black boy'.

Carter claims that presidential elections are greatly predicated on "alien-Jewish" money.

See above

Carter refuse to see hamas as a terrorist organization.

From the Carter Centre's website:

Hamas had been declared a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel, and the elected Palestinian government was forced to dissolve. Eventually, Hamas gained control of Gaza, and Fatah is "governing" the Israeli-dominated West Bank. Opinion polls show Hamas steadily gaining popularity. Since there can be no peace with Palestinians divided, we at the Carter Center believed it important to explore conditions allowing Hamas to be brought peacefully back into the discussions. (A recent poll of Israelis, who are familiar with this history, showed 64 percent favored direct talks between Israel and Hamas.)

Because Carter talked to Hamas doesn't mean he denies that they have committed attrocities in the past. Somebody is going to have to talk in the end look at the situation in Northern Ireland, where incidently quite a few Americans refused to recognise the IRA as a terrorist organisation.

Carter lies about the palestinians accepting a two state proposal, while ignoring the fact they rejected the proposal since the Peel commision.

When? Which Palestinians? Which two state proposal?

Perhaps if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on Palestinian land a two state solution might be more attractive?:hmm:

The National review stated that Carter's book was heavily biased against Israel due to the continued funding the Carter center recieves from Arab and terrorist organizations.

Nice article from a good, non biased publication :nope:

Wonder if he has as many Saudi backers as the Bush family? :hmm:Your conjectures are wrong. I suggest you read the book. :know:

[Tchocky]

Got a lot of respect for Jimmy Carter after reading this - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-parasite-that-reveals-good-news-from-africa-912207.html?startindex=10

Oh, and the National Review considers anyone further down the scale from Moshe Dayan to be a raving anti-semite.

[Mush Martin]

Great story Tchocky:up:

[Jimbuna]

Yep....nice to read something encouraging for a change :up:

[mrbeast]

Not bad for an old anti-semetic 'Dirt Bag', eh Frame57? ;)

Tchocky, great story, just goes to show what mankind can achieve when we put our minds to it.:up:

[Frame57]

We all are entitled to our opinions of the man. Having suffered through his presidency as a US citizen I can tell you that our economy was very bad under him. I went into the military because jobs were so scarce in the 70's. We cheered vivaciously when Regan won the next election. The morale of the military went up significantly. The hostage crisis in Iran ended from the weak policies that Jim bob was using. Also history will show that this whale fart was/is responsible for the current leadership we have today in Iran. He supports known terrorist organizations and his sorry pitiful Carter center relies on Arab money to operate. I could only wish that he was the last CO of the Scorpion but only in my dreams...:yep:

[SUBMAN1]

We all are entitled to our opinions of the man. Having suffered through his presidency as a US citizen I can tell you that our economy was very bad under him. I went into the military because jobs were so scarce in the 70's. We cheered vivaciously when Regan won the next election. The morale of the military went up significantly. The hostage crisis in Iran ended from the weak policies that Jim bob was using. Also history will show that this whale fart was/is responsible for the current leadership we have today in Iran. He supports known terrorist organizations and his sorry pitiful Carter center relies on Arab money to operate. I could only wish that he was the last CO of the Scorpion but only in my dreams...:yep:Carter also likes to negotiate with terrorists, giving rise to their credibility the world over.

-S

[Frame57]

Both he and Sean Pencilhead would love to perform fellatio on these "freedom fighters":yep:

[mrbeast]

''To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war''.

Winston Churchill.

[Jimbuna]

''To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war''.

Winston Churchill.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7328/churchillpj8az3.jpg :lol:

[Stealth Hunter]

Carter also likes to negotiate with terrorists, giving rise to their credibility the world over.

-S

:rotfl:

I hope that was sarcasm.

SUB, you are aware that the United States collaborated with Al-Qaeda when the Russians invaded the Middle-East, aren't you? The name has changed, but it's still the same group.:roll:

I recall the American government supplying them with weapons and even training some of them in guerilla tactics.

[Platapus]

That would have been the Maktab al-Khadamat