Every SH3 Modder should switch to SH4 - ATO!!!

[urfisch]

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i thought about this the whole last weeks, as i finally have some time left to start modding again. and i came to the conclusion, that working on sh3 is a waste of time, since sh4 (better graphics, better engine, deeper gameplay, etc.) came with its addon and the possibility to play german boats. and since ATO (atlantic theater operations!) mods have been built, sh3 is no longer the topic to deal with.

we can have all the lovely improvements of sh3 with its great supermods in sh4! thats why we should work on this! cause sh4 gives us a lot more potential, to have the best uboat-simulation ever!!!

but as long many modders are still working on sh3, a lot of time will pass...until we will have a nice sh4. sh3 modding has reached its peak. i think we should concentrate on sh4 ato-mods. i have the opinion, that everyone should give this "new" game a try! look what others have already done so far...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=234

what do you think?

:hmm:

e.g. look at this fantastic enviroment! and the super detailled uboat models...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=135989

[A6Intruder]

I do not agree!!!:down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
SH3 is much more better than SH4, in various things. Espacially in handling, cameras, look and lock on targets etc.
Please, to every modder out there, please stay on SH3:up:
Kind regards

[Reise]

Is better engine no doubt and lets more things happen - though NOT wolfpack or AI torpedo sub
Again
Deeper gameplay ? not think so
Graphics are good but could have been better and in some place like on periscope are not good
Interface is horrible

I have SH4 with Spanish mod and OM rarely play

Many ppl will stay with SH3 for long time I think
Feels comfortable and with GWX is very good

No doubt others feel same with WAC/LSH3 and NYGM :up:

[von hally]

well, the reason i never got sh4 was due to the lack of u-boats

i jusr dont have the same enthusiasm for the pacific theatre.

but.....now gwx team is moving on....and there is atlantic operations...i may well move on to sh4.

what do my fellow kaleuns think.....is it time to let my sh3 slip beneath the waves???

[A6Intruder]

Is better engine no doubt and lets more things happen - though NOT wolfpack or AI torpedo sub
Again
Deeper gameplay ? not think so
Graphics are good but could have been better and in some place like on periscope are not good
Interface is horrible

I have SH4 with Spanish mod and OM rarely play

Many ppl will stay with SH3 for long time I think
Feels comfortable and with GWX is very good

No doubt others feel same with WAC/LSH3 and NYGM :up:

So true, well spoken!:up:
Kind regards

[STEED]

what do my fellow kaleuns think.....is it time to let my sh3 slip beneath the waves???

OVER MY STONE COLD DEAD BODY YOU WILL NEVER PRISE SH3 OUT OF MY HAND.................

Long live SH3 Long live GWX. :rock: :rock: :rock:

[von hally]

what do my fellow kaleuns think.....is it time to let my sh3 slip beneath the waves???

OVER MY STONE COLD DEAD BODY YOU WILL NEVER PRISE SH3 OUT OF MY HAND.................

Long live SH3 Long live GWX. :rock: :rock: :rock:



:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ive always felt that way steed.

i take it youve tried sh4.

outwith graphics...i cant see how sh3 could be beaten.

its like an extension of my self now:rock:

[STEED]

I've got SH4 and its alright but like SH3 stock I've have a good feeling the GWX team will improve on it. I play 90% SH3 and only 10% SH4 that may change when we have a super mod for SH4 but I will always be more faithful to SH3.

[GOZO]

NOPE!:down: :down: :down:

Forget it.

[urfisch]

what do my fellow kaleuns think.....is it time to let my sh3 slip beneath the waves???
OVER MY STONE COLD DEAD BODY YOU WILL NEVER PRISE SH3 OUT OF MY HAND.................

Long live SH3 Long live GWX. :rock: :rock: :rock:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ive always felt that way steed.

i take it youve tried sh4.

outwith graphics...i cant see how sh3 could be beaten.

its like an extension of my self now:rock:

:know:

simple answer is:

sh4 with imported improvements of sh3, would beat it...everything that was mentioned before is also possible in sh4 and even much more!!! thats the point. just open your eyes, dudes. i also avoided SH4 a long time, as SH3 is simply much better gameplay, not to mention that even sh3 stock may have been better than sh4 uboat missions...but:

its in our hands to make the most of it, cause the engine is damn freakin! and i think no one would deny, that SH4-UM at the actual state of SH3 would be the GREATEST sim one would ever have seen!!! any doubts?

:hmm:

[von hally]

:know:

simple answer is:

sh4 with imported improvements of sh3, would beat it...everything that was mentioned before is also possible in sh4 and even much more!!! thats the point. just open your eyes, dudes. i also avoided SH4 a long time, as SH3 is simply much better gameplay, not to mention that even sh3 stock may have been better than sh4 uboat missions...but:

its in our hands to make the most of it, cause the engine is damn freakin! and i think no one would deny, that SH4-UM at the actual state of SH3 would be the GREATEST sim one would ever have seen!!! any doubts?

:hmm:[/quote]



i like your enthusiasm mate.

its comforting to know i probably have a whole new world to find....when sh4 ets the gwx/sh3 modder treatment:up:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Most people complain about the SH4 interface... lol... its one of the easiest things to change!

Remember what OLC did with SH3 interface with his GUI?

Its that simple! Its all in the menu_1024.ini (or something like that). We might make it just like SH3, or even better!

In fact, I might do it myself... :hmm:

Remember... SH3 Stock was total crap compared to SH3+all of today's mods. And so is now SH4 Stock... it looks like crap, but stop to think how great it will be once it reaches the level of mods from SH3, it will trully be the best of the both.

Now, a lot of people might think "but we will never have a full atlantic campaign playing as germans", and I reply: We WILL have that, and even more! Just give the modders time to settle down and improve SH4.

If all the copies of SH3 disappeared from the world today, SH4 would be in top form in less then one year. But with SH3 out there, people will stay put, coz its comfy... so, patience, right?

I'm moving on to SH4, not because its better, but because it CAN be better!

See you all there, in some months!

[danurve]

"Perhaps it's just as well. Who knows what kind of idiot they would have sent you. One of those new found warriors, all wind and smoke."

When IV can be played with that 'Das Boot' feeling that III has, then it can be a great Sim.
Damn freakin. :ping:

[Wildhawke11]

"Perhaps it's just as well. Who knows what kind of idiot they would have sent you. One of those new found warriors, all wind and smoke."

When IV can be played with that 'Das Boot' feeling that III has, then it can be a great Sim.
Damn freakin. :ping:


As one Dan to another you hit the nail on the head my friend.
When SH4 can offer me the thrill and dangers of a full Atlantic campaign i think that would be the time for me to move over. Till then its the Atlantic and GWX for me.

[onelifecrisis]

I heard that convoys scatter realistically in SH4, instead of just doing that "weaving" thing they do in SH3. That's the only thing I've ever heard about SH4 that made it sound any better than SH3 to me - unless you count the SH4 graphics which my machine can't run.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, there's the more realistic crew management system. My computer won't run the graphics either. In both sims there are things that I love about the graphics, but if I played as realistically as I'd like I wouldn't be able to see them anyway.

I agree, and have said more than once, that I believe SH4 will eventually replace SH3 altogether, and this would happen sooner if as the OP said, all modders were to move immediately. But you can't tell people what they have to do. If people want to continue to mod SH3, great. I'm not ready to make the move yet; SH3 still has the more immersive gameplay where u-boats are concerned.

Some day; just not today.

@ Philipp Thomsen: I had no idea it was possible to have SH3's interface in SH4. I love those little officer icons, and my biggest turn-off so far is all the tabs leading everywhere.

[vickers03]

i think for fleetboats SH4 is just great, with some mods
of course.
but for u-boats, i don't know, i have the bad feeling some
code (controllers, emblems) where just left out
and some things just doesn't work in SH4 (e.g. the lights
controller for torpedo tubes), but it's these small things
that make SH3 great.
a real SH3 experience in SH4 will be a LOT of work..

[Redwine]

About the comparison between SH III and SH IV....

Both sims are wonderful, SH4 may have some better graphics and thermal layers, but sadly has some rere bugs wich was unsolved from early times, and after many mods, some times the game do not react to changes.

SH3 is much more friendly to mod, but sadly has not thermal layers modelled, and water grafics are a little bit down under SH4.

Finally... both are nice and wonderful, but that we need is a new SH3, may be SH5, german U-Boat game, in the Atlantic, and may be both in one, with USA Silent Boats in the Paciphic... with the best of both sims.

:up:

[GoldenRivet]

My opinion of SH4 is well known.

it was barely playable out of the box and that is a core fundamental of any game... the damned thing must be playable, and SH4 flat out failed. games are not about pretty graphics... for example... i LOVE pong and pac man... both pixilated out dated games, but they are playable and enjoyable and thats what its all about.

it took way to many mods for SH4 to even approach playability out of the box.

second to that... the characters in SH4 look like they are cartoon characatures. Agreed that the character models in SH3 look artificial, but i would rather my sub was crewed by artificials than a buynch of elmer fud look alikes.

their words dont even match up with their animations. its like watching a bad... REALLY BAD 1970's kung fu movie which was translated by a bunch of Japanese 5th graders taking their first semester of english as a second language.

it really takes my chief engineer - a sweaty, beer gutted, fat slob excuse for an officer - 10 seconds of animation just to say "surface the boat".

its like watching a brain dead ape try to figure out how to peel a banana

I've installed SH4 two days ago to give it yet another chance.

i cant put my finger on it - but even with a great mod like trigger maru SH4 does not "feel right".

Ubi even realized their error and tried to salvage thsi train wreck with the release of the U-boat missions - as if to say "oh here is a novel idea... lets only just NOW try to give the customers what they want." but i didnt even waste my time with that!

aside from that the ONLY reason SH4 occupies space on my hard drive is in pure anticipation of the release of the SH4 GWX version.

i hate to put pressure on the GWX4 team by saying this... but the entire fate of SH4 with a lot of SH3 fans weighs most heavily on the results, look, feel, stability and cleanliness of GWX4's final release.

meaning - i cant speak for everyone, but if GWX4 doesnt save SH4 - i WILL microwave this piece of white crusty dog turd of a game.

I have accumulated tons of play time with SH3 because - honestly out of the box SH3 is GOLD. but SH4 on the other hand... i think i have completed 3 or 4 patrols - and it has been shelved for a majority of the time since the date i purchased this regretable waste of a game.

out of my entire collection of PC games which spans literally decades... Silent Hunter IV... you... YOU!!! are the shining example of epic failure.

nuff said :stare:

[Madox58]

Oh Yea of little faith!!
:nope:

This Team does NOT balk at treading into unknown areas!!
It has become our "Specialty" as of late.

Save the MicroWave for leftover Meatloaf.
Or as I do, reheating Coffee! Lot's of it.

[Friedl9te]

Not before my corpse lies in the coffin.:nope:

[GoldenRivet]

Oh Yea of little faith!!
:nope:

This Team does NOT balk at treading into unknown areas!!
It has become our "Specialty" as of late.

Save the MicroWave for leftover Meatloaf.
Or as I do, reheating Coffee! Lot's of it.

privateer i have absolute faith in the GWX4 crew.

I honestly believe that they can save it.

but since SHIV has been released, i have not been happy with it yet and i have tried dozens of big mods and small mods - SHIV just continues to rub me the wrong way.

i think it is great that modders wish to continue to pour their efforts into any of the subsims... but to suggest that any mod support for SH3 should be completely abandoned in favor of SH4... very bold statement that is not likely to draw a great deal of support from SH3 fans.

i know there are players who love both games.

but i loath SH4, if Sh4 were a person standing in my office right now i would kick it square in the nuts and steal every red cent of cash it had on hand. :stare: :lol: :lol:

just my opinion here... but the major changes need to be

1. environment. mainly smoke, it looks like the smoke zooms away at 1200 knots when a ship is on fire.

2. interface. im not a modder, and im not about to attempt to go into my SH4 directory and attempt major surgery without a clue as to what im doing, but the SH4 default interface is a disgrace.

3. periscope. if OLC could do for SH4 what he has done for SH3... WOW. i dont want to look into a dark hole of a periscope lense anymore.

4. i dont want 8 seconds of hand gestures abd head movements from my crew when i give an order. SH3 is clean... i say ahead flank, the chief engineer responds and the boat starts speeding up - thatys how it should be... sh4 on the other hand they go through all these needles theatrics,

5. I HATE how when i order a new heading my crew has to sound out every syllable... "new course...........three.............five.......... (i look at my watch).......zero....... DEGREES!!!!" :nope: WTF is that all about.

[Madox58]

We are into the build for SH4.
That does not mean all of us gave up on SH3.
I still have a few things to finish for SH3.
And who's to say, what is done for SH4 can not be converted to SH3?
I'd tell you more but,
then I'd have to kill you AND me!!
:rotfl:

[GoldenRivet]

privateer... trust me mate, im very optimistic, but it will take a lot to impress me with SH4 over SH3.

SH4 lacks the right "feel" - im sorry i cant offer up a better explaination... it just doesnt "feel" right.

i hope that makes sense.

[Hartmann]

Sh3 is near to hit the "wall" of the modding while sh4 have a great potential and is possible to convert it in to sh3, and with sh4 is possible have all war theaters all in one engine.:hmm:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

privateer... trust me mate, im very optimistic, but it will take a lot to impress me with SH4 over SH3.

SH4 lacks the right "feel" - im sorry i cant offer up a better explaination... it just doesnt "feel" right.

i hope that makes sense.

Give it time... SH3 has 3 and a half years of modding, and I bet my ass that when SH4 has 3 years of modding, it will be a state-of-the-art simulation.

I'm sure that GWX crew will fix SH4, it have a lot of potential. And its not impossible to create a full atlantic campaign, starting on 1939.

I believe that they will surprise us a lot, after all, they have good taste for things. They will fix everything that is disgraceful about it, SPECIALLY the interface! I bet that if they copy the exact interface from SH3, everybody would be pleased as hell!

I would!

[GoldenRivet]

I bet that if they copy the exact interface from SH3, everybody would be pleased as hell!

I would!

that makes two of us mate :up:

[Wolfehunter]

:down: I disagree with you dude. I like SH3. SH4 is a different game. If others want to move to SH4 that is ok with me. I like it here. The day when Neal closes the door here will be my last day here. So for now as long as it open I'm staying with SH3.

Look what the modders of the past present have done. I can only imagine what the future modders will bring.;)

[ReallyDedPoet]

I don't think the OP intention was to create any animosity between SH3\4, however much of this type of discussion has taken place before here at SUBSIM. We are lucky we have both SH3 and 4 to play and mod, which people choose to play\mod is his or her decision in the end, let's respect that and move on please.

Edit: As a footnote here, some folks know I update the SH3 Mods Section, and it has not been quiet, a testament to SH3. SH4 is and will be no different, give it time folks.


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