Playable Class T type 1 submarine - 10 tubes -

[keltos01]

Playable Class T type 1 submarine - 10 tubes - original mesh by JU_88 (GWX 2.0)

firing amidship tube #10 :

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6343/classttype1tritonlu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

no mast version of submarine :

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5751/classttype1tritongm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


loadout :

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1747/loadoutcopietn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1747/loadoutcopietn8.b3231cf601.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=366&i=loadoutcopietn8.jpg)
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/391/loadoutcopieon7.20be7b1c4e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=375&i=loadoutcopieon7.jpg)http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8277/periscope10tubesif3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8277/periscope10tubesif3.306d39d885.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=354&i=periscope10tubesif3.jpg)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9168/tdcaq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9168/tdcaq5.c6a6d947a7.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=152&i=tdcaq5.jpg)

Uzo working with ten lights(thanks to Peabody's small dial mod:up: )

10 tubes :
2 amidship firing forward
8 on bow firing forward

old tower (for now) with radio mast
aa gun no crew
safe diving depth 90 m
max speed surfaced 15.25 knots, 9 knots submerged

known issue:
tubes 7 and 8 appear empty when loaded with mkVIII, use mk14

credit to JU_88 added.

download link :

http://files.filefront.com/v161+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11387711;/fileinfo.html

no radio mast version download link :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/djjvnvtzi3y/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar (http://files.filefront.com/v162+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11397248;/fileinfo.html)

I added the CLass T boat to all careerstarts and the following flotillas :

Brisbane, Australia - 7 missions -

Aleutians - 2 missions -

Keltos

ps I'm playing from Manilla in 41, glad to be rid of those hours sailing from Pearl !

PS 2 : as for the balao problem, I don't know... I only play the Class T when I load the mod....


Here is the patch :

http://files.filefront.com/patch+for+Class+T+ver+162rar/;11546246;/fileinfo.html

Enjoy !

Keltos

[Atlantis]

Thats a British Boat isn't it? Sweet!

[Hunter]

Any chance to have AI one?

[JU_88]

Its the T-Class sub from GWX 2.0, I should know - I made the model, one of my first proper 3d models in fact (and im sorry to say it kinda shows) :oops:
Hopefully some one will build a better looking one in the future.
If it helps, the T-class with 10 tubes (1st group) carried 16 torpedos total, the 4 external tubes could not be reloaded, the 6 internal bow tubes had one reload each.

[keltos01]

GerritJ9 sent me the GFX T class sub for SHIII
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137856&page=2

So that's where it came from :D I have to check but I received it from Mikhayl or Xantro I think, anyways it states in the credits file that it comes from GWX since day one that I worked on it, now I'll be able to cite you personnally.

If you look more closesly you'll notice I modified the rear tubes into amidship ones, punches holes for the bow doors, made the doors and the tubes, in the other tower (the type T model 2) I added a hatch, and a nice wheel, etc...

I think it is a pretty good mesh, thanks for making it in the first place :up:

I didn't manage to get 4 non reloadable tubes, I might try and link them to an empty rear bunker, think that's what I did with the other one (zwaardvisch), did you see it ?

Dagon's currently making a U type sub.

I just pm'ed Ju_88

Keltos

[Reise]

You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:

[Schultzy]

I love British boats and I'm so grateful that it was made in the first place and that Keltos did all he's done to get it into SH4.

Brilliant!!

Thanks guys!:up:

[keltos01]

You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:
Right, my mistake, the I simply remove both mods, that's all, simple as that.
and ask the moderators to remove both related threads.

keltos

[sandbag69]

You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:

What harm has they guy done? So many fecking Mod cops on here..makes me sick

The guy is just wanting to add more ships n subs to SH4.. give him a break...ya bampot

[Reise]

You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:[quote=sandbag69]

What harm has they guy done?

Use someone elses model without ask



The guy is just wanting to add more ships n subs to SH4..



Isnt all ? appluad thoughts bu
Make own sub or ask
Easy


give him a break...ya bampot

?? what this ?

[sandbag69]

You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:[quote=sandbag69]

What harm has they guy done?

Use someone elses model without ask



The guy is just wanting to add more ships n subs to SH4..



Isnt all ? appluad thoughts bu
Make own sub or ask
Easy


give him a break...ya bampot

?? what this ?

Crazyman

[JU_88]

@ Keltos thanks for your PM mate, I have replied :up:


@ sandbag69
Think of this like this;
If your next door neighbour wanted to borrow your Lawn Mower, I bet you'd appreciate it if he asked you first, right?. You are the one who worked in order buy it - not him. It not about policing, its just a little bit of consideration between neighbours/modders thats all mate.
Riese isnt a crazy man, he was just having some consideration.

Anyways the matter has been resolved in a nice way, its all good.

[Reise]

Alles gut
:up:

@ Sandbags
Only little crazy

:rotfl:

[keltos01]

maybe someone will want to play with it ?:hmm:

Thanks again for JU_88's superb mesh and understanding.

k

[Schroeder]

I'll try it later, but I will try it.:D

[Reise]

Is it for play American side of game ( not uboot ) ?

Am testing Spanish uboot mod and if not interfere will drive this too

[sandbag69]

@ Keltos thanks for your PM mate, I have replied :up:


@ sandbag69
Think of this like this;
If your next door neighbour wanted to borrow your Lawn Mower, I bet you'd appreciate it if he asked you first, right?. You are the one who worked in order buy it - not him. It not about policing, its just a little bit of consideration between neighbours/modders thats all mate.
Riese isnt a crazy man, he was just having some consideration.

Anyways the matter has been resolved in a nice way, its all good.

Not the same Mate. If you had given the Lawn Mower to the entire neighbourhood to use in the first place then your neighbour upgrading it or cutting his cousins grass would be nothing that you could compalin about. Rest my case:damn:

[keltos01]

It works from version 1.2 of SH4 upwards. I use it at home with the Uboot mod.

since it's based on the version 1.6.1 of the Zwaardvisch mod, this one still has the screws and stuff that need tweaking.

Keltos

[AntEater]

I tried it with UBM, RFB and RSRD campaign and I got a conningtowerless T
:(
Btw, would it be possible to convert the japanese side into a british (or dutch) side?
Or is it hardcoded that the second side has to be axis?

Btw, just read through (briefly) the T class book you had for download. No wonder they needed ten torpedo tubes with such primitive fire control!

[keltos01]

check in upcdata\UPCUnitsData, you might need to rename the UnitParts8Triton to 9 or something if you have other subs taking that parts slot.

I only use ROW and NSM4.

[JU_88]

@ Keltos thanks for your PM mate, I have replied :up:


@ sandbag69
Think of this like this;
If your next door neighbour wanted to borrow your Lawn Mower, I bet you'd appreciate it if he asked you first, right?. You are the one who worked in order buy it - not him. It not about policing, its just a little bit of consideration between neighbours/modders thats all mate.
Riese isnt a crazy man, he was just having some consideration.

Anyways the matter has been resolved in a nice way, its all good.

Not the same Mate. If you had given the Lawn Mower to the entire neighbourhood to use in the first place then your neighbour upgrading it or cutting his cousins grass would be nothing that you could compalin about. Rest my case:damn:

ok well put simply, its nice to be asked and/or given credit where its due, You cant force people to do it, its just common courtsey at that persons discression. if someone worked hard to give you something for free, isnt that all the more reason to respect it?

Anyway cant always agree on everything, such is life.

JU.

[keltos01]

your signature : odes that mean you guys are working on another supermod ???

[Reise]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140037

GWX 4 for SH4

Will try Sub and report :up:

[ivank]

campaign mode?

(http://qtl.co.il/aff)

[Task Force]

Thanks for the new sub.:D

[keltos01]

campaign mode?

(http://qtl.co.il/aff)
Yep, it works in campaign mode.

What I'd like to do is to make a change of tower, like early 42, to get rid of the radio mast, and the new tower is already there, I used it on the Zwaardvisch.

My problem is the torpedoes : I built a mark VIII on an existing mk16 (electric that one) and although the twin speeds are built in the .sim, only one speed is available in game ???

Keltos

[keltos01]

As the radio mast was sticking out at periscope depth, here's a version without it (it was removed early in the war anyways, the japs did likewise) :

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5751/classttype1tritongm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5751/classttype1tritongm8.a40f1c9871.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=165&i=classttype1tritongm8.jpg)

download link no mast version:

http://files.filefront.com/v162+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11397248;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/v162+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11397248;/fileinfo.html)

[raymond6751]

Nice. The man did not try to take credit, but did indicate where he got the model from, GWX. I am sure that if he knew the actual name of the artist, that would have been indicated.

[Reise]

Nice. The man did not try to take credit, but did indicate where he got the model from, GWX. I am sure that if he knew the actual name of the artist, that would have been indicated.

:roll: He didnt ASK was problem but took

Still all sorted between two now so all good and finished

Now will get no mast version
danke :rock:

[Q3ark]

Nice. The man did not try to take credit, but did indicate where he got the model from, GWX. I am sure that if he knew the actual name of the artist, that would have been indicated.

:roll: He didnt ASK was problem but took

Still all sorted between two now so all good and finished

Now will get no mast version
danke :rock:

He did ask. He asked members of the GWX team if he could use the thing and they said yes, stop trying to cause a problem where one does not exist.

[keltos01]

Can't seem to get this to work properly with Trigger Maru v1.5. It messes up the new career menu and i can't figure out which files are causing problems:damn:

Thanks for your files mate !

I modified them, adding the Class T submarine, it should work with the types 1 and 2 and Zwaardvisch too.

here is the Trigger Maru 1.5 patch, JSGME ready :

http://files.filefront.com/Trigger+Maru+15+Class+T+hrar/;11410286;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Trigger+Maru+15+Class+T+hrar/;11410286;/fileinfo.html)

[Q3ark]

This is awsome thanks for all your help :rock:

The IJN's days are numbered, the Brits are coming :ahoy: :arrgh!: :rotfl:

[keltos01]

I meant 11th tube : you surely noticed how this sub, being british and all, has a, well how'd you put it?, a hole ? at the rear end of it that serves no purpose ;)

I'm trying to get it to excrete something, that is to shoot a torpedo :rotfl:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5264/11thtubeqb4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5264/11thtubeqb4.a150dde4ac.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=392&i=11thtubeqb4.jpg)

didn't try it yet, what I did was :

add a stern tube in the upc file
export / import chuncks of torpedo door and rename it and change its id
add a tube linked to that door in the .sim

pray Hard

didn't work :damn:

it shows in the torpedo loadout just fine :

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6400/11tubesclasstcopievb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6400/11tubesclasstcopievb3.5b83300e24.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=393&i=11tubesclasstcopievb3.jpg)

then it CTDed when I launched the game....

Keltos

[keltos01]

removed the BMM node, created a new .dat with only the BLD node in it (the 02 door where before I used the 01... thanks Peabody :) ) imported it in the triton.dat, put it after all the other doors.
gave it the same parent id as the 02 doors in that file, gave it a new id # and saved.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1012/11thtubeap2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1012/11thtubeap2.6ea1f6ddc9.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=123&i=11thtubeap2.jpg)

so now we have a tube with a cap on (selected in the image), I guess now we'll see it the game accepts it...

keltos

[keltos01]

had a little fun today, played midway with my Class T type 1 (ver 1.6.2), gosh I love those 10 tubes ;)


still gotta tweak those mark VIII though...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3258/midwayclassttype1po8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3258/midwayclassttype1po8.24b698ab1d.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=519&i=midwayclassttype1po8.jpg)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3258/midwayclassttype1po8.24b698ab1d.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=519&i=midwayclassttype1po8.jpg)

[Torag]

I have just installed this sub and started playing a campaign based on Pearl Harbor. Everything seems to be fine with the sim.

But I can no longer select any base OTHER THAN Pearl when starting a campaign. Whenever I try to move to Manila or Brisbane in different years, the game simply CTDs (Crashes To Desktop).

I am playing SH4 1.4, which means I don't have the U-Boat missions addon. It all leaves me with the impression that the UPCs for the other bases are botched somehow. I am using the download from this thread.

Any help would be appreciated.

P.S.: The game only CTDs in 1941 and 1942 when I try to select a starting base other than Pearl Harbor, so I'm pretty sure it's the UPC files in the campaign that are botched. In 1943 and 1944 the T class is no longer available, so the game allows me to change bases freely.

P.P.S.: This is a list of other mods I am currently using (just in case, though I think it's not a conflict) - MyMenu (so I can use menumaker), ParaB's Fewer Radio Contacts, Torpedo Damage Fix and the ASW_9.0_standard mod for aircraft.

[Hunter]

Its the T-Class sub from GWX 2.0
I mean don't you plan release it as AI boat for SH4 yet?

[keltos01]

I've never done an AI boat... I'm more of a playable boat myself..


@torag : try and install the TMO patch you can find on my ff page, it has more missions, the thing is I don't think I did add the boat to the other bases, will check later tonight.

keltos

[Torag]

I am trying to avoid moving to Trigger Maru or Real Fleet Boat just yet. I bought the game a month or so ago and I'm still getting used to the nuances of modding it, so I don't want to rush into a major supermod.

You seem to have added the boat to the other bases, here's a short transcript of the flotillas.upc:

whoa....wait....I seem to have found the mistake.

I found it.

Here's the flotilla 2 upc part for the triton as it is in the download:

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 9]
ID= F2Triton
NameDisplayable= T class
AvailabilityInterval= 1940-12-08, NULL
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= Triton
UnitTypeCommonality= 15 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL


I just changed the Flotilla number to 2 and the change in 41 works now.

I checked 42 and Brisbane still crashes the sim, and I found out why. You did add the Triton on the List at the CareerStart file for Brisbane 42, but you didn't add the boat or its missions in the flotillas.upc

I'll try fixing it by myself.

[Torag]

Fixed it.

I just copy/pasted the Tritons Flotilla 2 entry to the third flotilla (chaging the number to 9 instead of 8 to account for more subs in the third flotilla) and copy/pasted the Gato missions from flotilla 2 itself and renumbered them to unit number 9, the Triton.

Everything seems to be working fine. If you want the files to update your download I can mail them to you.

[keltos01]

this is really neat Torag ! off course i'd like those files, I'll even post them on the FF page as a patch credited to you :up:

I'm so glad I didn't have to fix it myself, now maybe i'll be able to play a bit ;)

Thanks again, good job !

Keltos

ps : you could just make your own filefront page and upload it there ? otherwise pm me and I'll pm my email to you.

[keltos01]

At night :

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8193/classtatnightzu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8193/classtatnightzu4.cee5a5dec5.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=292&i=classtatnightzu4.jpg)
English weather :

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3558/rainke9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3558/rainke9.1f5657d8db.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=134&i=rainke9.jpg)

new torpedo mod available for all Class T boats :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140738

[peabody]

At night :


http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8193/classtatnightzu4.cee5a5dec5.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=292&i=classtatnightzu4.jpg)
English weather :

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3558/rainke9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3558/rainke9.1f5657d8db.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=134&i=rainke9.jpg)

new torpedo mod available for all Class T boats :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140738

Could you build me one without the rain, It's been raining here all summer!! I'ld appreciate it.

Peabody

[keltos01]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Fearless]

keltos01,

Is it possible you could upload the mods on Rapidshare as I can't seem to get access to filefront.

Much appreciated.

[Torag]

Keltos, I have PM'ed you.

[Torag]

BTW, the Jap boats are only for 1.5, right?

[keltos01]

Yep, they are for SH4 ver 1.5, the inside is that of the german subs...
k

[Torag]

My correction created some kind of issue with the Balao class. I can start careers fine, but when I actually try to go on patrol, the game CTDs.

So far only the Balao is showing this behavior, and it is the same either for new careers or for previously existing savegames....I'll try to correct whatever is wrong and maybe will have new files tomorrow.

P.S.: I found an interesting bug. When I enable the Truant mod the Balao class starts displaying only 5 forward tubes. Maybe this is the source of the Balao CTDs and not my modifications to the Triton files. Does the Triton model mess with the torp tubes of other subs?

[keltos01]

nope, but the inside is the balao's, so messing around maybe messed it up ? I'll take a look at your files later today and see if i can fix it.

Keltos

[keltos01]

you need to add it to the Brisbane career start too !! I'll fix the files this weekend or on tuesday night.

[CareerStart 2.Flotilla 3]
ID= C2Flotilla3
NameDisplayable= Brisbane
IDLinkFlotilla= BrisbaneCommand
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F3Sboat, 6, F3Sboat2, 6, F3Triton, 1 <- this adds the boat
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned


;+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++

[CareerStart 3]
ID= MidWar
NameDisplayable= 1943
StartTimeInterval=1943-03-15, 1943-03-20
BackgroundPic= 1943.tga ; picture that is displayed on the background when this option is selected
CareerStartBriefingText= The war is still undecided, but we're gaining on them.
RenownOptions= 1000, 2000, 5000

[CareerStart 3.Flotilla 1]
ID= C3Flotilla1
NameDisplayable= Pearl Harbor
IDLinkFlotilla= PearlHarborCommand ; link to ID in Flotilla upc file
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F1Porpoise, 4, F1Tambor, 5, F1Gar, 4, F1Gato, 10 <- missing t class
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned

[CareerStart 3.Flotilla 2]
ID= C3Flotilla2
NameDisplayable= Fremantle
IDLinkFlotilla= FremantleCommand
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F2Porpoise, 7, F2Salmon, 6, F2Sargo, 11, F2Tambor, 5, F2Gar, 5 <- missing t class
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned

[CareerStart 3.Flotilla 3]
ID= C3Flotilla3
NameDisplayable= Brisbane
IDLinkFlotilla= BrisbaneCommand
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F3Sboat, 6, F3Sboat2, 6, F3Salmon, 3, F3Sargo, 3, F3Gato, 4, F3Gar, 4, F3Porpoise, 2<- missing t class
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1

your file :

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2982/careeriv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2982/careeriv0.22118703ba.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=394&i=careeriv0.jpg)

more work to do !

[Torag]

I thought you didn't want the T out there in 43 and 44 since your original files didn't have it there.

I'll get to work. Please check the Balao as right now I'm having to disable the Truant every time I want to play my current career with the Balao.

[Hoon]

Great stuff, my grandfather served on Thetis.

[peabody]

Just an idea, could it be something you added from the Balao that the ID didn't get changed? I know you know about that but maybe missed one?

Peabody

[keltos01]

keltos01,

Is it possible you could upload the mods on Rapidshare as I can't seem to get access to filefront.

Much appreciated.
uploading version 1.6.2 of T class as we speak then I'll upload the latest mark VIII** mod. do you want any other sub ? like the japanese ones ?
k

rapidshare link to version 1.6.2 :

http://rapidshare.com/files/137827714/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar.html

mark VIII** torpedo mod :

http://rapidshare.com/files/137828060/v_2.0_British_mark_VIII_1_and_2_torpedo_-_US_mark_28_torpdeo_mod.rar

IJN Jyunsen B, Kaidai 4 and Kaichu submarine mod version 2.4 :

http://rapidshare.com/files/137831649/v_2.4_IJN_Sub_mod_Jyunsen_B_and_Kaichu_and_Kaidai. rar

[Torag]

Did some more testing, and it's definitely something in the original files.

For some reason the Balao is playable now, but both the Balao and the Gato start their patrols with the 5th forward torp tube empty, then if you reload and try refitting, the final 3 forward reserves do NOT get filled up.

It's probably something with the tubes that is messed up, and that is beyond my skill for the moment. I'll at least finish the modifications required for the T to show up in 43 and 44, but the issue with the Gatos and Balaos is beyond me.

[Torag]

The Balao is back to CTDing, but I've managed to add the T-Class to the later years in all bases.

[keltos01]

good to see your progress there !:up:

I'd personally like to play from the aleutians...

then again if you install TMO I have a patch ready for that one giving you the T all the time everywhere, and they have way more missions that in the original game.
k

[keltos01]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4936/manillaxk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4936/manillaxk3.5cc2ad4892.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=149&i=manillaxk3.jpg)
got the Mogami coming for the Philippines !

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6006/mogamigq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6006/mogamigq3.9826261991.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=515&i=mogamigq3.jpg)

I added the CLass T boat to all careerstarts and the following flotillas :

Brisbane, Australia - 7 missions -

Aleutians - 2 missions -

Keltos

ps I'm playing from Manilla in 41, glad to be rid of those hours sailing from Pearl !

PS 2 : as for the balao problem, I don't know... I only play the Class T when I load the mod....


Here is the patch :

http://files.filefront.com/patch+for+Class+T+ver+162rar/;11546246;/fileinfo.html

[Webster]

the only possible addition you could make to that sub would be a rotating 4 tube deck mounted torpedo launcher for 360 degree targetting.

no more would you not have a perfect shooting angle.

[keltos01]

:rotfl:

why didn't they think of that huh ?

[keltos01]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2908/crewhq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2908/crewhq9.0d3b09137e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=59&i=crewhq9.jpg)

it looks as though even the aa gunner is there now :) (version 1.6.2 with patch shown)

[SteveG75]

Nice work, I think you have just convinced me to buy SH4 (especially since I can't get SH3 to run on my new Vista 64 bit machine).

Your work is is beyond anything I could do and I am in awe. Don't take the inof below below as criticism, just as more info available on the T-Class.

Anyway, I was doing some research and found out that the Class T Group 2 had the amidships tubes firing to the rear. The Group 1 vessels had the 10 foward firing tubes (6 reloadable). During the war, most were refitted with the single aft tube at the stern. The Group 2 ships had the amidships tubes moved aft and pointed astern. Some of the group 1 vessels also had that mod done as well.

Here are some pics:

HMS TORBAY secured to a buoy in Plymouth Sound fitted with an external stern tube, 20mm Oerliken and radar (group1 with forward firing amidships tubes).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/HMS_Torbay.jpg

HMS TURBULENT on the outboard side, moored up to another T-Class. TURBULENT has the later tube configuration but the inboard vessel has the stern tube added, but the earlier amidships tubes.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/HMS_Turbulent.jpg

Better pic of the aftfiring tubes:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/images/3boats.jpg

Some good info here on the T-Class: http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/TClass.html but I got most of my info from the book Submarines of World War II published by the Naval Institue Press (1977).

One good point mentioned is that many boats of the second group were modified for employment in the Far East, by transforming several ballast tanks into fuel tanks, thereby increasing fuel load from 132 to 230 tons, and surface range from 8,000 to 11,000 miles at 10 knots. This increase in range, essential in a theatre where it took a week or more to get from base to operating area, together with increased stores capacity, enabled long patrols to be carried out: the record was achieved by Tantalus with 56 days, 40 of which were in the patrol area. Guess that would mean some kind of data file mod.

Also, I have read that the two Dutch boats were ex-HMS Talent and ex-HMS Tarn, both of the later design.

Like I said, this is not meant as criticism, just passing on more info.

[keltos01]

much appreciated :up:

I have made an 11 tubes class T : the Zwaardvisch, which had one stern tube, two amidship firing aft and eight forward tubes :
v1.9.1_Hr_MS_Zwaardvisch_e.rar (http://files.filefront.com/v191+Hr+MS+Zwaardvisch+erar/;11004857;/fileinfo.html)

I encountered the following problem : although I was able to implement the 11 tubes, the TBT does cause CTD on that model..

Version 1.6 of that mod doesn't have the extra stern tube, thus no TBT problem but has issues which have been resolved in the 1.9.1 version.

The sub displayed here has two versions : one with the early mast, version 1.6.1, and this one 1.6.2 with masts removed. The original mesh was made by JU_88, I just modified it (tubes, doors, added stuff..).

I didn't try to add the extra stern tube on this model until the TBT crashes to desktop is resolved, although I know that some had that extra tube fitted while retaining the 10 forward tubes.

a free book on the T class is available for download on my page as well :

http://files.filefront.com/wwwSTADTAUScom+The+T+Clerar/;11185841;/fileinfo.html

you then have the choice between two types of class T, I personally like the 10 forward shooting tubes ;)

though the Zwaardvisch isn't a bad one !

I set the range at 11000 for all boats I think, the earlier class portrayed here has a shallower diving depth due to its riveted design vs the later welded one.

keltos

[GerritJ9]

Regarding the "rotating 4 tube deck mounted torpedo launcher for 360 degree targeting", the Dutch K.XIV, O.19 and O.21 classes, plus O.16 (a one-off), had a rotating twin-tube mount installed in the deck casing forward of the conning tower :D. So it's not an original idea.

[keltos01]

Hi Gerritj9 ! nice to hear from you again :)
do you have any pictures of thoses subs ? blueprints maybe ?
might be a next project ???
keltos

[AntEater]

Pretty much every french submarine had such a set of rotating deck tubes, mostly because apparently their torpedoes did not work properly at large gyro angles.
The drawbacks of such rotating arrays are:
- hugely complicated machinery and very heavy, creates topweight and is prone to breakdowns and damage
- fully trained, it works like a rudder and the sub will have problems keeping course

I've always wondered why the dutch used them, as generally their subs were pretty "german" in design (no suprise as german design bureaus were active there).
Also, the dutch AFAIK used the german G7A torpedo, which had no such gyro problems as the french.

[SteveG75]

Only photo I could find of the O.21 on line. Notice the opening for the traversing torpedo tubes forward of the conning tower.
http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/boats/images/submarines/boat_o23.jpg

The book I use, Submarines of World War II by Erminio Bagnasco was published by the Naval Institue Press bt is out of print. Copies are still available via the Internet.
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/6435188/used/Submarines%20of%20World%20War%20Two
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Submarines-of-World-War-II/Erminio-Bagnasco/e/9780870219627
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/1630000/1631910.gif

[GerritJ9]

Keltos, I have small drawings of the O.19 and O.21 classes- longitudinal section plus several transverse cross-sections. These two classes were very similar, the only significant difference being the larger beam of the O.19 and O.20 to accommodate the mine tubes.
The K.XIV class and O.16 differed mainly in dimensions with O.19 and O.21, but the differences were not great- a matter of a few feet in length, a few inches in beam. The real differences were in internal equipment (O.16 and the K.XIVs had 8-cylinder MAN four-stroke diesels while the O.19s and O.21s had 7-cylinder Sulzer two-strokes for instance), plus in the percentage of welding which increased in each successive class; in O.16 the percentage was 49%. And, of course, the O.19s and O.21s were originally equipped with snuivers- O.19 was the world's first submarine with what later became known as the Schnorchel, though some sources credit O.16 with being the first.
Be happy to send you the drawings I have, but check with Denis469 first- I sent him the drawings last year and he may be working on them already. Would be a shame to duplicate any effort!

As an aside, our current deputy minister for health, Jet Bussemaker, is the granddaughter of the final commander of O.16, who was killed when O.16 was sunk by a Japanese mine in December 1941.

[keltos01]

what about torpedoes ? do you have any intel on those ?

I'll be on holidays for the next 10 days caving in france so don't expect anything till I return though...

Keltos

[Demon777]

Well, that's another great addition to the game. The only notice is that tubes' doors are a bit ugly, and rear antenna is not connected to the sub's hull. Also, when opening Museum in game menu, there's a bug with T-sub's deckgun position. But that's just all trifles in comparison with new career in T-sub! :)

As far as I tested, patch 1.6.2 solves the problem with game crashes and Balao tubes. At least I haven't encountered such problems yet...

[keltos01]

good news !
I have been playing the T lately, not my jap subs, and have enjoyed it a lot there in the philippines in dec 1941 :)

keltos

[Demon777]

Keltos01, what do you think of using your T-sub alongside NSM4 mod? I've noticed that the only common file they both have is US_torpedoes, and now I wonder which mod should be installed last :)

[keltos01]

I use it as well, but install my mod last because the torpedoes are actually english torpedoes and american ones, the two types of mark 8 and 8**, to be sure you have the latest torp mod though download it on my ff page and install last.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1484/48452870op6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/48452870op6.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img253/48452870op6.jpg/1/)

keltos

mark VIII link :
http://files.filefront.com/v+20+British+mark+VIII+1drar/;11485500;/fileinfo.html

[Demon777]

Thanks Keltos!

I'll install T-sub mod in the same sequence as in your screenshot.
And english torpedoes are necessary for T-sub? I mean can T-sub use american ones correctly?

[keltos01]

it can but they're slower and have less range, your choice they're the same diameter 21 inches

[Demon777]

OK, I'll follow your installation sequence (T-sub, british torp, patch for T-sub)

[Demon777]

Just a notice: in glassy water T-class sub has a Porpoise's black shadow :)

[keltos01]

and I know that when it gets hit it has the Balao's dammage structure showing up, but it's bigger than the T sub itself ! one more thing to correct...:oops:

[alamwuhk2a]

I am currently using Trigger Maru Overhaul for SH4 1.4. Whenever I finished loading a single mission or whatsoever, I just get CTD.
Would you please fix this for TMO 1.4? Thank you very much.

[keltos01]

I'll try given a bit of time but if anyone else out there can help please do, there are only so many hours in one day...

I don't remember if the patch I posted for version 1.6.2 of my sub is for TMO or another supermod? try it anyways.

keltos

[keltos01]

Trying something out with Peabody, we noticed the Class T was still using the Balao's damage model.

I fixed it : unrar the file and slip the new Triton.dat into the data\submarine\triton folder.

download link :
http://files.filefront.com/NSS+Triton+v162rar/;13202212;/fileinfo.html

Enjoy !

Keltos

[ridgewayranger]

Hi There,
T Boat is a great effort but for the sake of accuracy, the midship tubes fired astern, there was an external tube in the casing right aft and the standard submarine torpedo of W.W.2 was the Mk 8**. Maybe someone has already pointed this out?
The provenance of this is that I was T.I. of a T Boat.
RR

[keltos01]

I have made 3 models of the T class from JU_88's original model.



this very one has 10 fore tubes (the external firing forward should be under the tower)

version 1.62 dl link (no radio mast) :
http://files.filefront.com/v162+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11397248;/fileinfo.html

version 1.61 dl link (early war - with radio masts):
http://files.filefront.com/v161+HMS+Truant+T+cla1rar/;11387711;/fileinfo.html

and I made the Zwaardvisch for Skwasjer (Dutch) with either 10 tubes or 11.

Due to the actual number of tubes limitation (10 tubes) even if we get all forward tubes (8) working, we'll only get 2 aft tubes with a working TBT (class T mod version 1.6), version 1.91 of mod has 3 but using the TBT causes CTD, otherwise it works fine.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137856.

version 1.91 dl link:
http://files.filefront.com/v191+Hr+MS+Zwaardvisch+erar/;11004857;/fileinfo.html

version 1.6 dl link:
http://files.filefront.com/v16+Hr+MS+Zwaardvisch+Terar/;10698599;/fileinfo.html


As for the torpedoes I have made this mod : British Torpedo mod Mark VIII and Mark VIII** New version
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140738

available here :
http://files.filefront.com/v+20+British+mark+VIII+1drar/;11485500;/fileinfo.html

this should go with the boat.

you should read :

T class WWII account: M. Smith, torpedoman http://herne.tripod.com/WWII.html

hope this helps, now for the 1.62 version I just posted a revised .dat that should be slipped in the submarine folder.


keltos

[keltos01]

bump

[keltos01]

new torpedo files :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zzqmtqkhojm/US MK 14 II - IJN - British mark VIII.rar

and add this to the library folder :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tnzdalaxe2m/Torpedoes_US.sim

otherwise the gyro on the british torps is 0 ! with this it gives you 15 degrees either way

keltos

[ARC0001Orar]

[quote=Reise]You should have asked first
What if he didnt want you to use ?

:nope:

Use someone elses model without ask



Isnt all ? appluad thoughts bu
Make own sub or ask
Easy



?? what this ?

Hey Give the guy a *******ing break

[peabody]

[QUOTE=Reise;917221]

Hey Give the guy a *******ing break

First of all this is a very old thread, it started in 2008. And the issue of permission has been resolved.
But just for you information, asking permission to use someone else's work is the right thing to do. Almost everyone will say yes.

Peabody

[Markus]

Has anyone using steam tried this mod recently?

I've been away from the game for some time and got back into a few days ago using mod version 1_7_3. Everything was fine, sub had Mark Viii torpedoes. A couple days ago when I started the game I had to wait because Steam was downloading some sort of game update. When it was finished, none of my save games would work so I had to start new. When I did I could no longer start with Mark Viii torpedoes. Just US MArk 10.
Also choosing Brisbane crashes the computer.
Any idea what the solution might be ?

[keltos01]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=5147

Zwaardvisch version of the T Class sub