[REQ] Squid mortar

[Cohaagen]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4614/squidchic58vo1.jpg

(before I go on, bear in mind that I know absolutely nothing about modding other than 2D art, so please forgive any ignorance and glaring naivete)

After reading up recently about some of the later RN escorts of the Battle of the Atlantic - the Loch and Castle classes for instance - I began wondering whether it would be possible to modify the SH3 Hedgehog to produce a working facsimile of the late-war Squid mortar - specifically, if you could reduce the number of projectiles to three while massively increasing their explosive power, and set them to explode via proximity or timer or through whatever mechanism the in-game depth charges use. Possible?

It'd also be necessary to rework the 3D model to accurately depict Squid:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2109/squiddh8.jpg
double Squid mount on the quarterdeck of unidentified ship - the one on the left is in the "load" position and appears to have some practice bombs/Quint's barrels sticking out of it

Is this wildly beyond the realms of possibility and only feasible with an SDK? It just feels like we're missing the coolest, and most potent, ASW weapon of the war. I can't be the only one who'd love to play against a fully bombed-up frigate.

Hate to post a Wikipedia link, but it's a decent enough article and thankfully doesn't seem to have any of Navweaps' sulking disdain for British equipment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_(weapon) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_%28weapon%29)

[Sailor Steve]

In spite of Wiki's bad reputation, some of their articles are the best information you can find.

One problem though: your link took me to one of those lovely messages:
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.

[Cohaagen]

Agh, sorted it. The markup system doesn't like parentheses for some reason.

[Sailor Steve]

Alright! Good article. I have no clue if something like that could be done, but then I'm no modder either.

[Madox58]

All ready been done.
Just not released.
:lol:

[Cohaagen]

All ready been done.
Just not released.
:lol:

Interesting...tell me more, you tease.

[Mush Martin]

Uunnngh you never even Peeped :|\\

[Madox58]

I started them at Mush Martin's request.
The 3D models, textures and such are done.
As I was heavily involved with GWX 2.0 and 2.1?
They fell by the way side along with a few other things.

Infact, digging through some old files?
I found these.
Dye markers,
Sonar bouys,
Smoke markers,
and a very nasty thing.
I think it was called a FIDO?
:lol:

[Mush Martin]

Fido still has gyro issues ?


The cool thing about squid is that unlike limbo
squid was aimed by pointing the ship itself, which
of course can be done in game.

Loch Class will be the Game dominating
escort in ATO I am certain. there are
ships with better records in history but
only because of the short time for Lochs
while the war was still on. but from a
sub skippers perspective those are
some very scary monsters the kind that
wont leave you even nightmares.

M:up::up::up:

[Madox58]

Fido still has gyro issues ?




Not anymore.
Although I have not worked on it?
I know the answers now to that issue.

Other things must be completed before I re-address
the FIDO.

Once those issues are resolved?
The answer for the FIDO is most important for something
FAR more important!
;)

[Mush Martin]

Fido still has gyro issues ?



Not anymore.
Although I have not worked on it?
I know the answers now to that issue.

Other things must be completed before I re-address
the FIDO.

Once those issues are resolved?
The answer for the FIDO is most important for something
FAR more important!
;)

:arrgh!:Mu ha mu haha mu HaHaHaHaaaaaa........

[Cohaagen]

Mmmm, this is all very interesting. Thanks for replying, guys.

Did the Squid mod ever get implemented, even at an alpha/beta stage? My own thoughts were that the 3D model, textures and so on would be the easiest hurdle to overcome, but actually getting the "projjies" to work properly might be a sticking point. How exactly did you work around this?

I also take it that this mod is abandoned at the moment as far as the SH3 platform goes? It'd be a shame - I'd love to see a Loch class as modelled by IABL, for instance, armed with Privateer's Squid mod appear in '44 onwards.

A couple of great sites on RN escorts with some first-hand info on Squid and Limbo:

http://middle-watch.com/index.html

http://www.leander-project.homecall.co.uk/index.html

[FIREWALL]

Privateer's posts bumped up my heart rate quite a few notches. :D

[Mush Martin]

Privateer's posts bumped up my heart rate quite a few notches. :D

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Hes like that, I luv 'im.
(of course he has made a lot of my shIII/IV wishes materialize out
of thin air and raw talent. so Im biased)

M

[FIREWALL]

Privateer's posts bumped up my heart rate quite a few notches. :D

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Hes like that, I luv 'im.
(of course he has made a lot of my shIII/IV wishes materialize out
of thin air and raw talent. so Im biased)

M

He's a gem. He better not go blind or simple minded on us.:p

[Madox58]

To late!!
I'm already simple minded!!
I have Part Timers Syndrome!!
Part of the time I forget what I was doing!!
:rotfl:

Anyway here's a shot of something.

Dye Marker.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Dye_marker.jpg

I'll have to grap the Sonar bouy shots.
It falls with a parachute until it hits the water.
It then changes models.

[Mush Martin]

:up::up::up:

[FIREWALL]

Did Bernard flush the head in that uboat ? :p

[Mush Martin]

Nope he's been marked by a K ship for depth charging by a Destroyer
Escort. that established Bernard does seem to be whimpering in the head
for a long time.

[Madox58]

3 Marker were used.
Depending on the year?
Dye, Smoke,
then Passive Sonar Bouys.
All aircraft at one time or another used them.

I started the mods to put a visual explaination to
a common complaint.
That being...

I was attacked by an aircraft and latter a ship found me!!
Not fair, not realistic!!
Duh!!
The game did not have the visual clues for you!!

Now, if I drop a dye marker on your position?
You know WHY that River Class Mother from Hades is bearing down on your
Sorry behind!!
:rotfl:

[Mush Martin]

:gulp:

[Madox58]

There you go!

Without visual clues?
Most people do not realize things are pretty realistic
in a give and take way.

And the FIDO was voted out for GWX 2.X because people would
most likely have had a FIT!!

"It's too hard!! Wah!!"

Are job is to kill you!!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/sig.jpg

[Mush Martin]

Are job is to kill you!!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/sig.jpg

Bring on your best AI in your Best five ships
in any ocean in the game, and in a fair fight
I will kick their A$$es. :|\\

Thats Mush M.U.S.H. be sure and take the picture from
the left its my best side.

[Madox58]

That goes to one factor.

People whine the AI is to 'insert comment'.
IF, and I repeat,
IF? You really play the Sim?
You can beat it every time!!
That's a given.
And I really don't care if you use cheats
or figured out the AI's dumbness.

I give about 1/4 inch of care if it's talked about,
pointed out, or hammered into the mind set!

Each and every person will run the Sim as they see fit.
If they choose the easiest and quickest way?
Good on Ya Mate.
If they choose the Hardest way?
Good on Ya Mate!

One thing we all must remember.
It's just a freaking Game!!!

[Mush Martin]

That goes to one factor.

People whine the AI is to 'insert comment'.
IF, and I repeat,
IF? You really play the Sim?
You can beat it every time!!
That's a given.
And I really don't care if you use cheats
or figured out the AI's dumbness.

I give about 1/4 inch of care if it's talked about,
pointed out, or hammered into the mind set!

Each and every person will run the Sim as they see fit.
If they choose the easiest and quickest way?
Good on Ya Mate.
If they choose the Hardest way?
Good on Ya Mate!

One thing we all must remember.
It's just a freaking Game!!!


No taunting pre dates video games :rotfl:

I Love the sport of sub simming thats what I love the most
figuring out how to do just that, beat it in a fair fight.
to me that is the whole joy of the thing, its the essence
of why we constantly strive for better and better AI in each
new game. to see if we can match it with blood and sinew.

M

[Cohaagen]

Say, um, about that there Squid mod you did...how did that turn out then?

[Madox58]

I don't have much of a problem with the AI
in SH3 or 4 to a certain extent.
Now,
RDP!
No offense intended!
Don't take it that way!
But,
the AI in both versions are retarded if you can understand
what I mean.

If a given situation comes up?
Every ship will respond with a pedictable action.
There is no indivival AI.

Why do ships attack through land objects?
Why do units sink each other?
The AI is a near perfect example of people I talk to and work with
on a weekly basis!

And that is not an insult to them!
That is the Gods Honest Truth!

The AI is Handicapped.
If you REALLY look at it?
I could say they copied people I know.
My work with those called
'Retarded'
opened my eyes to things that most miss.

[Mush Martin]

I don't have much of a problem with the AI
in SH3 or 4 to a certain extent.
Now,
RDP!
No offense intended!
Don't take it that way!
But,
the AI in both versions are retarded if you can understand
what I mean.

If a given situation comes up?
Every ship will respond with a pedictable action.
There is no indivival AI.

Why do ships attack through land objects?
Why do units sink each other?
The AI is a near perfect example of people I talk to and work with
on a weekly basis!

And that is not an insult to them!
That is the Gods Honest Truth!

The AI is Handicapped.
If you REALLY look at it?
I could say they copied people I know.
My work with those called
'Retarded'
opened my eyes to things that most miss.

even against best AI blood and sinew has an edge. tis the plain truth
and likely always will be. for the most part they are pattern runners
not actually cognizant.

I dont encourage humanity to create and enslave a race of
cylons then let them know there slaves that would probably
end badly.

so I will take what I can get in the current form.
I really think it comes down to more types and
variations in the ai library and a digital awareness
of the flock so to speak where by AI group position
together with sub position and convoy position
as well as time and weather would determine
tactics of the escorts. true though that is
and talented though this community maybe
that wont happen in any current version of SH.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Now,
RDP!
No offense intended!
Don't take it that way!
But, the AI in both versions are retarded if you can understand
what I mean.

None taken, thanks though for not just throwing it out there.


My work with those called
'Retarded'
opened my eyes to things that most miss.
As per some of our past discussions, same here :yep::up:


RDP

[Madox58]

In actuallity?
Multi AI sensors can be done.

What we worked with was a set standard.
We talked about doing this but as all the testing
and code work combined with real life?

We decided it was not that great of an issue.
You all have the Mod.

We are moving on to SH4.
You are free to do what you will to the GWX series.

Only thing you can not do?
Is use the term 'Official'

Not even I can use that term!!
There is NO official support for SH3 GWX!!
That is a done deal!!
Nite, Nite, goood bye, and all that.

[nikbear]

Does that mean that these naval nasty's will never be released on us?,that would be a crying shame cause they would be awesome:up:if you ever do finish them and get the time to release them Privateer:rock:I for one would love to have them:yep:it would make my escape(IF)all the more sweeter from the escorts;):arrgh!:

[Mush Martin]

Does that mean that these naval nasty's will never be released on us?,that would be a crying shame cause they would be awesome:up:if you ever do finish them and get the time to release them Privateer:rock:I for one would love to have them:yep:it would make my escape(IF)all the more sweeter from the escorts;):arrgh!:
@ Cohagen & niki keep yer eyes peeled
you never know what events will conspire to get you home.


more to the original subject.
The need for squid is to make an effective Loch Class Frigate.
the need for the loch class Frigate is to make the SH Oceans
much more dangerious for players than it already is. I may
shoot my mouth off now. but to put up the scope and see
a Lochie would make me much more cautious and h..hu..hum....humble.

M

[Madox58]

I just finished searching through all 5 systems here at home.
Each has 3 Hard Drives and a DVD drive.
I also searched through 10 DVD's of stuff.
(for lack of a better word)

The finals are no where to be found!!
:damn:

However, I did find some near finals that I can re-work.
I know they are near finals because they are in a stand alone dat.
Plus the dates are just about right on them.
9/27/2007

I'll find a way to work them into all the other stuff I'm smothered by.
:rotfl:

[Mush Martin]

I'm already simple minded!!
I have Part Timers Syndrome!!
Part of the time I forget what I was doing!!



MMmmm Poke !

[Madox58]

Hey!!
There's nothing major wrong with me!!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/0806072203.jpg

[Mush Martin]

:oOMFG I had no idea you were a REAL mouseketeer I thought you
were just kidding.:rotfl:

[Madox58]

I was a could have been.
Then pictures surfaced.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/A-funky.jpg

:nope:

[Mush Martin]

:|\\disturbing yes!
but not as disturbing as finding out RDP's crew is dressed in that uniform.
he goes Cruisin with them on war patrols......
"Think of it Hienie, the kapitan he would do the mathematics in his head
and when the moment was right ....Torpedos los... and you know what
Hienie .. sometimes the torpedo wouldnt even come out of the tube."

(man :huh:I'm starting to think I should be brigged for desecrating a classic
subfilm on a subsim thread .... what do they give you for that?.)

[Sailor Steve]

Hey!!
There's nothing major wrong with me!!
Yeah, but when all those minor 'issues' start to add up, people notice. :yep:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Oh my EYES!!!

Privateer,

Privateer,

Privateer...

I think that if I see that picture one more time... I'll be permanently blinded.:dead:

You guys are a real trip.

:rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

(man :huh:I'm starting to think I should be brigged for desecrating a classic
subfilm on a subsim thread .... what do they give you for that?.)
Didn't you read Neal's post, this is possible for Mod's now :yep::D Didn't
you mention you wanted to be a beta tester for this.


RDP

[padi]

Have you finished the Squid until today?

[desertstriker]

NECRO!!!!

[padi]

Do you have the data so I could look on them and finish the project if I understand them?