I have a dilema

[Manjushaka]

Now I'm playing 1.4 with RFB. Everything with RFB is great except the range finder. When I use it to find range to anything, it give me the wrong range, simple as that. I was trying to determine the range to a freighter last night, and it it gave me the wrong range. When I go to the attack map, the white cross which should be on the sillouhette on the freighter, was way short. I took a few more ranges over a period of few minutes, and the range still did not improve. Then to confirm my suspicion that it's wrong, I went to the big map and took the range with the ruler. I manually inputed the figure into the rangefinder and sent it off the the TDC, opened up the attack map again, and yep, the white cross was on the sillouhette. The rangefinder was off by a good 300 metres.
And since the modders said the only provide support to those with 1.5, what can I do now?
Before I can figure it out, I think I'm gonna give TM a go.

[kylesplanet]

This is a guess but are you using imperial measurements or metric? I would bet that everything in RFB is imperial because it is a realism mod. :hmm:

[ReallyDedPoet]

See this thread for some nice reasons to get 1.5:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=139080

Also, not properly identifying your target can affect your range as well. Are you using your p\k, as this helps in the process as it tracks both your boat's movements and that of your targets, allowing you to make adjustments accordingly.


RDP

[Mush Martin]

I use 1.4 with RFB still

what I do is use the observation scope at normal power

that works.
M

[Manjushaka]

This is a guess but are you using imperial measurements or metric? I would bet that everything in RFB is imperial because it is a realism mod. :hmm:

I'm using metric. But hey surely they would've picked it up and corrected it if that's what caused it.

[Manjushaka]

See this thread for some nice reasons to get 1.5:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=139080

Also, not properly identifying your target can affect your range as well. Are you using your p\k, as this helps in the process as it tracks both your boat's movements and that of your targets, allowing you to make adjustments accordingly.


RDP

No, I'm IDing correctly. Why? Just to make sure, I ran a test in the torpedo training mission. Unless the cruiser is not the upgraded Mogami, then there's something wrong with the rangefinder.

[Manjushaka]

I use 1.4 with RFB still

what I do is use the observation scope at normal power

that works.
M

So do you mean when you zoom, you get the same problem as me?

[Peto]

HI Mush. Make sure you are using the new heights to measure range by. They are marked in red in the recognition manual and do not measure mast head height anymore--most measure the stack height instead. I missed that when I first fired up the new RFB version and my ranges weren't even in the same ocean.

Peto

edit: looks like I waited a little too long to hit reply

[Manjushaka]

HI Mush. Make sure you are using the new heights to measure range by. They are marked in red in the recognition manual and do not measure mast head height anymore--most measure the stack height instead. I missed that when I first fired up the new RFB version and my ranges weren't even in the same ocean.

Peto

edit: looks like I waited a little too long to hit reply

Ehh? what the hell...:doh: Didn't know that. I'll go in now to check it out.

[ReallyDedPoet]

See this thread for some nice reasons to get 1.5:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=139080

Also, not properly identifying your target can affect your range as well. Are you using your p\k, as this helps in the process as it tracks both your boat's movements and that of your targets, allowing you to make adjustments accordingly.


RDP
No, I'm IDing correctly. Why? Just to make sure, I ran a test in the torpedo training mission. Unless the cruiser is not the upgraded Mogami, then there's something wrong with the rangefinder.

I just know that on more than a few occassions, I IDed wrong and could not undertand what i was doing wrong, that was the problem.

Did you post in the RFB Thread, I am sure the lads there would have something to offer.


RDP

[kylesplanet]

This is a guess but are you using imperial measurements or metric? I would bet that everything in RFB is imperial because it is a realism mod. :hmm:

I'm using metric. But hey surely they would've picked it up and corrected it if that's what caused it.

As said before, post in the RFB thread and they can give you better answers. I've never played metric so I'm not sure if there is a conflict.

[Manjushaka]

Guys thanks for the help here. Peto was spot on. It was because I didn't realise you don't measure the mast anymore.

[Mush Martin]

HI Mush. Make sure you are using the new heights to measure range by. They are marked in red in the recognition manual and do not measure mast head height anymore--most measure the stack height instead. I missed that when I first fired up the new RFB version and my ranges weren't even in the same ocean.

Peto

edit: looks like I waited a little too long to hit reply
Thanks Peto I needed that I think.

M:up:

For all that Ive still made some of the most amazing shots lately

[Peto]

HI Mush. Make sure you are using the new heights to measure range by. They are marked in red in the recognition manual and do not measure mast head height anymore--most measure the stack height instead. I missed that when I first fired up the new RFB version and my ranges weren't even in the same ocean.

Peto

edit: looks like I waited a little too long to hit reply
Thanks Peto I needed that I think.

M:up:

For all that Ive still made some of the most amazing shots lately

:yep:

Yeah--I was posting this while at work and Actually (:shifty: ) doing some work. So I'd type 2 words, answer the phone, type 1 word etc... By the time I hit Reply I had got mixed up as to who actually started the thread :88) . But it never hurts to say Hi :lol:!

Cheers,

Peto

[Peto]

Guys thanks for the help here. Peto was spot on. It was because I didn't realise you don't measure the mast anymore.

Glad to hear it Manjushaka! Using the new system I've been much more accurate with my shots. No more guessing at where the top of the mast really is :up:!

[LukeFF]

Not to confuse people any, ;) but distance measurement will be changed again with the next RFB release. Since I now have access to all the key recognition manuals from the war, the mast/stack/flight deck heights will be those as known to Allied intelligence (for the most part, they are reasonably accurate). The reference points will be as follows:

-Merchants: mast height
-Warships (minus carriers): funnel height
-Carriers: flight deck height

[Manjushaka]

Not to confuse people any, ;) but distance measurement will be changed again with the next RFB release. Since I now have access to all the key recognition manuals from the war, the mast/stack/flight deck heights will be those as known to Allied intelligence (for the most part, they are reasonably accurate). The reference points will be as follows:

-Merchants: mast height
-Warships (minus carriers): funnel height
-Carriers: flight deck height

Yeah thanks for letting us know in advance...:rotfl:
But guess it doesn't apply to me since I'm running 1.4

[Rockin Robbins]

Finding range with the (insert at least three good curse words here) stadimeter will always be problematical. It will make you abuse your puppies and curse your children. It all begins with the wonderful opportunity to spend several minutes misidentifying your target. Then you are working with such small angles that having a waterline/masthead (or whatever) mismatch of a few pixels cam make your range wrong by hundreds of yards. Sounds like there should be a better way to do business... Maybe there is... Could it be....The Dick O'Kane Manual Targeting Method???:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:(you knew that was coming)
Seminar Tutorial (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=652326&postcount=67)
Video Tutorials (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=897225&postcount=168)

Now it doesn't matter what kind of hostile ship that is. (It is still not recommended to shoot at friendly shipping) As long as the torpedo can get there, you could give a rat's patootie how far away it is. Take the pressure off by setting up the TDC 30 minutes before you fire and never having to touch it again. Take a nap while the exec gets your boat into position. Save weight by dropping that fancy ID manual overboard. PK? Fogittaboutit!!! Killing bad guys doesn't HAVE to be difficult!

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[Galanti]

Taking the range using the ruler in the nav map is always off a bit, too, because there is built-in fudge factor specifically so you can't get the exact range this way. This is present in all versions and mods for SH4.