I'm not gettin' any (medals in RFB and TM, that is;) )

[AntEater]

(Admins feel free to move this to the general SH4 forum, but I think it belongs here since it touches mods)
I searched the forum and found out others had the same problem.
Both with RFB and Trigger Maru, installed alternately, not simultanously of course, I do not seem to get any awards, even if I meet the criteria.
I've been away from SH4 a long time and this is my first time with the Uboat addon, which I bought for the improvements of 1.5, not for the U-Boats.
One possible cause for this which occured to me:
When I finish a patrol, the "rating" field seems empty. I don't remember wether this is standard or not, but shouldnt there be "poor" "good" or whatever in that field?
Maybe someone in both RFB and TM accidentally used a pre 1.5 version of a file and thereby "killed" all awards?

Btw, any chance of a IJN campaign instead of fantasy Uboats?

[Xantrokoles]

For TMO I can tell you Ducimus fixed it.
Maybe you should have a look wether you got the newest version.:up:

[Ducimus]

I know myself an Luke have noticed this. I have my suspicions, but nothing concrete.

Right now, my leading suspicion is that maybe, in some way, how much tonnage you earn is being compared to the aces list. At some point, both TM and RFB added a mod that increased tonnage to the PRE- JANAC scores as the skippers knew them in war time. Since the tonnage is obviously much higher, *IF* comparision is being made it would make one "unworthy" of medals fairly quickly. Again, I am not sure, its just a suspicion i have.

edit: I do know ive seen a silver star and a MOH at least once, but other then that, i havent seen alot of medals either.

[AntEater]

Since I was the originator of that pre JANAC list, it could be that the old saying "it is all my fault!" might be true on this one
:D

[Ducimus]

LOL, i just now realized you were the original author of that mod. (I feel like such a goof now :88) )

Again, its just a hunch. It requires testing to prove or disprove. Its either that, OR
a.) My medal fix mod
or
b.) a 1.5 issue.

The next leading possible cause would be my medal fix, although i can't see how as all i did was change what graphic resources the various medals point to.

[LukeFF]

LOL...I was wondering how long it would take Duci to realize it was AntEater who created that mod. :rotfl:

As for the medals issue, I have to believe it's something to do with the game. I checked the RFB files, and I saw that we've not implemented "pre-JANAC" mod in RFB yet. As to what it could be, I have no idea.

Might be time to PM Elanaiba on this?

BTW, is it alright if we integrate your mod in RFB, AntEater?

[gAiNiAc]

I just got a DSM for a 34k patrol......12/18/41

[AntEater]

Did 2 30.000 ton patrols in 1944 with RFB 1.5 and the latest RSRD (acronymns galore!) and got a CMOH each!
Problem is I just think the medals are messed up because the small icons for repeat awards show a bronze star and the citation reads wrong.
Also, my crew is awarded bronze stars that look like CMOHs.
:hmm:
Re my "mod" (really not much of a mod anyway), of course you can include it. I actually thought I had given permission for RFB as well.

[banjo]

Using 1.4, TMO, RSRDC

The award of promotions and medals seems to make no sense. I came back from a hughly succesful patrol, sunk beucoup ships and completed 4 assignments. Got no promotions and like 5 medals. Next was a busted patrol, didn't get the assignment (couldn't find 6 aviators) and only sunk 4 ships. Got about a dozen promotions and about the same in medals. Maybe promotions are awarded for time in grade but that wouldnt account for the medals.

Puzzling.

[LukeFF]

Re my "mod" (really not much of a mod anyway), of course you can include it. I actually thought I had given permission for RFB as well.

Thanks. I'd thought we had added the mod long ago, but apparently we didn't.

As for the medals, it's a much of a mystery to me as it is to anyone else, especially since the award requirements are all hard-coded.

[De@dMe@t]

i spent 5 hours yesterday messing with medals in default 1.5 ,most of it loading unloading editing as usual. they changed somthing big time from the update i did to 1.4,

best i can get it to do is

correct citation ie bronze star awarded and bronze star shown in medal box. however small icon in crew management is cmoh or silverstar ect for medals, but name is correct, then when you award it to a crewman icon is correct aswell as name in crewmans abilaties awards ect.

if i change the placement of the icons on the CrewSystemsManagement.dds in photoshop ,it corrects the small icon prior to award, but when you award the medal it fills a completly different slot, ie award silver star the navy cross space fills up ect, makes no sense. even if i change the placement in the menu.txt it doesnt help just makes the wrong citation come up aswell and digs a bigger hole.

so best for me is correct medal displayed in box, correct citation with correct medal next to it, but wrong small icon in crew management prior to awarding & correct icon & name after awarding.

im beggining to think it might be related to somthing in the captains room, captainsroom.dat file like it was back in 1.1. i will investigate further.

also if ubi havent got rights to the correct medals, why is there a folder called medals in the menu\gui folder containing a dds called sh4medals.dds and sh4medalsbackground.dds, sh4medals.dds appears to be a carbon copy of fullmetal edges badges.dds from 1.2 ??? ideas....

said medals are also displayed in the back of the curtosey recce manual i was sent with correct names ect from ubisoft. ???? are they actually planning to get them into the game officially ????

[CapnScurvy]

Did 2 30.000 ton patrols in 1944 with RFB 1.5 and the latest RSRD (acronymns galore!) and got a CMOH each!
Problem is I just think the medals are messed up because the small icons for repeat awards show a bronze star and the citation reads wrong.
Also, my crew is awarded bronze stars that look like CMOHs.
:hmm:

I've got a couple of questions for those that have had problems with the medals received. Thinking that we haven't modded a change to the game's proceedure for issued medals, I'm wondering if we don't have a problem with the correct placement of medals in the right image files?

So my first question is, where does the problem exist? When you speak of the "crew awards" I'm assuming that's the Crew Management screen. But I wonder if the Captain Awards found at the base office gives proper medals and descriptions? Something I've noticed is that the 1.5 Addon changed the description of the stock medals. The medals are named correctly now (the Patrol Star is now called the Silver Star, the Sub Service Medal is the Distinguished Service Medal, and so on) however this change was not done within the Menu.txt file. I'm not at all sure where the stock 1.5 Addon has changed the names for the medals within the Crew Management screen, but it has. So my first thought is why are the name's identifing wrong medals? The Stock game lists the first medal icon as being a Purple Heart, however it displays the not authentic Sub Service Medal, the second medal is identified as a Bronze Star, when the icon shows a Wounded Medal, and so on. So firstly besides this misque on the stock game part, we modders have taken the road of thinking the image pictures need to be corrected for the labeled name. Could it be that the labeling is off but the stock pictures are correct?

AntEater, you say you received a Medal of Honor for sinking 30,000 tons? That doesn't seem right to me to give the most prestigious award available for sinking ANY amount of shipping. So it draws the conclusion that the modded change isn't right. Since no one has said they have changed a data file (other than images) it would seem the image files need to be reworked, and done not to the labled description but rather the way the stock images are displayed in the various medal image files.

I'm just talking out loud hear so correct me if I'm wrong. There are icon images of medals found at the CrewManagement.dds. There are medals found in the AwardItems_1.dds and AwardItems_2.dds (I assume these are used for the Captains Award box back at base). Then there's the badges.dds found in the Texture/TNormal and TLowRes files, I don't really know where these pictures come into play. As I compare the stock medal image placement of these files to both TMO and RFB's, they do not compare exactly. Again they seem to follow the labeled description of the game. So my point is why not make the images reflect the stock game images; figure out what and where the labeled descriptions come from, change them to match the images, and then see what you get? I've done just that for the images. The images I reworked are exactly like the stock images except they have the authentic medals in them. I haven't been able to make a change to the CrewManagement mouse over descriptions, since the Menu.txt file doesn't seem to change the labels there. So there are still some questions that need to be answered.

[De@dMe@t]

i already changed the stock images on :-

AwardsItems_1 to bronzeststar silverstar cmoh navycross
AwardsItems_2 to dsm purpleheart

that displays correct medals in the box and when issued, ie bronzestar for 30.000 tons, with the correct citation and image. but then you go to crew system management to issue your medals to the crew and the icons are wrong discriptions correct. but when you drop the medal onto the crew member he recieves the correct medal with the correct small icon in his abilaties area.

atm im using

5150=Medals
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star Medal
5154=Silver Star
5155=Medal of Honor
5156=Navy Cross

in the menu but ive not yet been awarded all the medals while testing so im not at all sure the order is correct. im toying with the idea that the game is using

5151=Bronze Star Medal
5152=Silver Star
5153=Distinguished Service Medal
5154=Purple Heart
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Meda Of Honor

if thats the case ill have to alter my Awardsitems_1.dds and awardsitems_2.dds again to match. but that still doesnt explain the CrewSystemsManagement.dds order being wrong on the left before being issued and correct after being issued.

i suspect that the badges.dds displays the picture of medals when you open the medal box on the captains desk and the awardsitems_1 and awardsitems_2 are the medals inside the box once you click each medal on the lid, that would explain the AwardsBackground.dds being inside the data folder alongside them.

[LukeFF]

i already changed the stock images on :-

AwardsItems_1 to bronzeststar silverstar cmoh navycross
AwardsItems_2 to dsm purpleheart...
Hate to disappoint you, but you're going in the totally wrong direction of the thread's intent. ;) It's not that the medal names and graphics are incorrect (they've been fixed by numerous mods), but rather that the game is not awarding medals at all after patrols that should result in a medal being awarded. That is the issue.

[De@dMe@t]

i havent seen one medal graphics mod in 1.5 that works properly yet, sorry,

all i can really refer you to is captainscurveys reply 3 posts above, which i think is heading down the right road. & anteaters comment 7 above regarding running rfb with rsrd, & getting medal graphic problems in crew system management after winning a cmoh, for a very low tonnage.

also does anyone know what medals.cfg does in data\cfg\ it wasnt there in 1.3 ???? but appeared in 1.4 and seems to still be there in 1.5 ???

[Beefy]

i know my name basiclly says noob but i have been working on getting the medals in the right places , i can on the medals awarded to me, the captain of my sub. i cannot understand though why it comes up with the wrong images on the medals awarded to my crew. i also get a purple heart rater than a bronze star in my captains box before i open it (dunno why)

i get a silver star and it comes up by defult with an image of a bronze star next to the name, get a bronze star and by defult it comes up with a navy cross next to the name when selecting what to award. i can get them to match but then the images are all wrong on the crewman info panal so you have to forget fixing it for the mods and get stuck in with fixing it for the vanilla game. i will help asmuch as i can and if i find something obide by forum rules and tell everyone itll be nice for me to start contributing :D

[CapnScurvy]

i havent seen one medal graphics mod in 1.5 that works properly yet, sorry,

all i can really refer you to is captainscurveys reply 3 posts above, which i think is heading down the right road. & anteaters comment 7 above regarding running rfb with rsrd, & getting medal graphic problems in crew system management after winning a cmoh, for a very low tonnage.

also does anyone know what medals.cfg does in data\cfg\ it wasnt there in 1.3 ???? but appeared in 1.4 and seems to still be there in 1.5 ???

De@dMe@t, when I look at the Medals.cfg file it has two basic headings "Awarded_Medal_#" and "Medal_#", there are 20 different parameters for each. I'm assuming one of these are for the Crew Awards, the other is for the Captain's. The Idx=# may represent a specific award, and the Cantity="Whatever" may be the specific requirements to gain the award. I admit this is just a guess. You would think we could find some kind of reference to the Idx= figure however, I've not found it yet looking through the various files with a hex editor. What the 20 different parameters really mean is a mystery to me as well. It could also mean that the Idx=# represents a certain rating for a patrol, and the Cantity=# is the number of awards, or medals received or given.

I'm still stuck on finding where the heck the CrewManagement screen has picked up the mouse over labels for the various medals shown that the 1.5 Addon changed since the 1.4 patched game. We were able to change the description of those labels for the various medals with a change in the text of the Menu.txt file, but not now since the 1.5 Addon. The parameters for the labels seem to be within a hard coded area of the game much like where the criteria for the various awards are defined for issue. I could be wrong, but so far I've not found a reference point for those descriptions. Without changing those labels it's a moot point to make the medals correct for a proper patrol earned, since the description plays such a prominent role in the CrewManagement process of giving awards whenever you mouse over the medal. I'm not done yet, but the fat ladies just about on her feet.
:rotfl:


i get a silver star and it comes up by defult with an image of a bronze star next to the name, get a bronze star and by defult it comes up with a navy cross next to the name when selecting what to award. i can get them to match but then the images are all wrong on the crewman info panal so you have to forget fixing it for the mods and get stuck in with fixing it for the vanilla game. i will help asmuch as i can and if i find something obide by forum rules and tell everyone itll be nice for me to start contributing


Yes, I think the point of correcting the Stock game is the correct way to look at this problem. Once (if it's possible) the Stock SH4 game is corrected, the mods can easily be changed.

[CapnScurvy]

i also get a purple heart rater than a bronze star in my captains box before i open it (dunno why)
i will help asmuch as i can and if i find something obide by forum rules and tell everyone itll be nice for me to start contributing :D

Beefy, welcome to SubSim's forum! I forgot to notice this is your first post. The difference between the smaller icon outside the Captain's Award box and what's inside can be fixed in the Menu_1024_768.ini file. The order for the two different medals must be the same for each.

Your help, and from others, may be needed to check what's what in the stock unmodded game. So may I suggest that anyone wishing to help run the stock 1.5 Addon game, unmodded. Start a career (if you haven't got one already going) and report back on the results. I think successful and unsuccessful patrols will be of help. The amount of shipping sunk, whether there's warships or freighters mixed into the total, and what awards were granted for the crew and yourself. As more patrols are completed your overall renown will increase so you may wish to report this as well.

For starters the list could look like this:

Patrol Number=
Renown=
Total Tonnage=
Number of Freighters=
Number of Warships=
Number of Awards for crew=
Name of Crew Awards=
Captain's Awards=

If you can keep the difference between each single patrol and the overall rating seperate, I think that would be helpful as well. What we basicly need to know is what kind of award (and how many) is granted, for what type of patrol preformance you have. The Captain's awards are granted by each patrol and by their cumulative total (the greater number of successful patrols adds up to higher priority medals and promotions). Again, any help in this may prove useful.

[Beefy]

;) cheers scurvy for the welcome, as i said ill try to help guys :up:

[mikwarleo]

i havent seen one medal graphics mod in 1.5 that works properly yet

I've been searching the forum for some time today and haven't found any medal mods... Any links would be appreciated.

Is anyone making progress on the medals front?

[CapnScurvy]

i havent seen one medal graphics mod in 1.5 that works properly yet

I've been searching the forum for some time today and haven't found any medal mods... Any links would be appreciated.

Is anyone making progress on the medals front?

I've been busy with real life things and have not updated my previous posts. Frankly, I had given up since there was one stumbling block that I've not been able to overcome. I looked at the "crew" medals issue and found a problem with the award system and corrected it when awarding the correct medal to a crewman. However, the problem of receiving the correct medal for the player (Captain) is another story. I've been able to replicate the problem as having the various medals "switched" within the hard coded data files as follows:

The game issued medal
Purple Heart is shown as the --Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star is shown as the --Silver Star (They got it RIGHT!?!?)
Medal of Honor is shown as the --Navy Cross
Bronze Star Medal is shown as the --Purple Heart
Distinguished Service as the --Bronze Star
Navy Cross is shown as the --Medal of Honor

To have the correct medal "details" shown when clicking on the "award case" medal I've been able to switch the proper medal images, BUT here's the problem for me, the award case within the "Captains Office" will not show the correct image when the dang case is opened. The images of the medals within the case are hard coded and I can not find a work around for the known misrepresentation. The correct labels can be shown but, the correct award for a Bronze Star issued will result in a Purple Heart shown in the case. Since this is the problem, I gave up on presenting a mod that only corrected some of the issues. Sorry, but my opinion is the boy's from Romania need to fix this one. Or they can give us greater access to the game so we can fix it ourselves. Fat chance!! :yep: