Reverse Monsun : data for a British campaign in the IO

[keltos01]

Far East Campaign
From the outbreak of war in Europe until December 1941, active naval operations in the Far East were on a very minor scale. Much of the Far Eastern submarine force withdrew to the Mediterranean, depriving the Commander-in-Chief Eastern Fleet of any operational striking force. Preparations began towards the end of 1941 for the upcoming attack from the Japanese, which finally occurred in December.
The rapid loss of naval bases such as Hong Kong and Singapore to the Japanese forced the withdrawal of British submarines still located there. The Navy's Eastern Fleet moved to Sri Lanka, whilst the Pacific Fleet operated from Sydney.
Operations remained on a small scale until reinforcements arrived from Europe at the end of 1943, when the Allied position in the Mediterranean improved. The great distances limited the range of the British boats to the Indian Ocean, the waters around Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, and the South China Sea. They could not yet reach the Pacific.
The policy in the Far East was to hold the Japanese in the Malay barrier and then attack in the Pacific. This made it worthwhile to take advantage of the shallow waters around most of Sumatra, Java, Borneo and the Malay peninsula. A large mine-laying programme began as nearly all of the modern boats could lay mines from their torpedo tubes. Ammunition for guns was also stored onboard for attacking junks used by the Japanese to transport goods. The Far East offered fewer targets than European theatres and successes were therefore harder to come across. Gunfire was often used to dispatch enemy vessels as they were not large enough to merit a torpedo.

http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/images/themes/conflictandchange/ww2/submarine/rnsm_2004_5_3_330.jpg 'Tommy Hambly and Co - Well 4 Ever More!' cartoon (RNSM)



The Far East campaign proved successful, with the Allies sinking nearly all of Japan's merchant navy fleet over the course of the war. British losses in the Far East only amounted to three submarines, even with half the Royal Navy submarine service based in this region.

http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/images/themes/conflictandchange/ww2/submarine/a42_03_78_330.jpg Japanese silk ensign with Japanese handwritten symbols (RNSM)



A Class
The British Admiralty ordered these diesel-electric submarines in 1943 to assist in the Pacific theatre of war, commissioning 16 in total. They replaced the S and T class pre-war submarines, which were too slow and unable to dive deep enough to be suited to the Pacific. They were one of only two new British submarine designs, along with X Craft, produced during the war.
Quick construction, using an entirely welded hull fabricated in sections, meant that each submarine took about eight months to complete. Although only two of the boats were finished before the end of the war, HMS Amphion and Astute, neither of which saw action.
The A class also included features such as air conditioning for the tropical climate. One of the main problems for submarine crews serving in the Far East was the heat and humidity. In submarines not fitted with air conditioning, life onboard in tropical regions could be appalling. The crew often suffered from various skin complaints, such as *****ly heat, ulcers, or cuts which turned septic and stayed so due to the foul conditions. To help this matter, submarines would retire from patrol positions occasionally for a day and spend it on the surface, in order to give the crew a break from working long hours in such high temperatures.

found on :
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/content/view/475/625/1/3/

[keltos01]

HMS Trenchant sinks the Japanese battleship ‘Ashigara'
HMS Trenchant undertook a patrol by the entrance to the Banka Strait near Palembang in Sumatra on 8th June 1945. HMS Stygian accompanied Trenchant and positioned herself out to sea. A Japanese destroyer emerged but spotted Trenchant as she fired a torpedo. Trenchant managed to withdraw in the darkness, and Stygian launched a follow up attack which was also unsuccessful. The destroyer launched its own similarly unsuccessful counter attack.
Meanwhile, Trenchant spotted the 12 700 ton Japanese cruiser ‘Ashigara'. She carefully positioned herself and as this was such a valuable target she fired all eight of her bow torpedoes at a range of 4000 yards. Five torpedoes hit the target, blowing off the cruiser's bow. Fire quickly spread and she developed a list and sank a couple of hours later.

http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/images/themes/conflictandchange/ww2/submarine/rnsm_95_330.jpg Crew in working rig on casing of HMS Trenchant at Freemantle in Australia, July 1945 (RNSM)



This was a spectacular result for Trenchant, but more importantly it removed the only Japanese heavy cruiser in that area. She had been in the process of transporting thousands of Japanese troops to Singapore on what was the eve of the Australian landings on Borneo, and it potentially saved many Allied lives. The submarine's Commanding Officer, Commander Arthur Hezlet, received the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) for his role in the attack.

http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/images/themes/conflictandchange/ww2/submarine/rnsm_94_330.jpg HMS Trenchant entering a harbour in the Far East, camouflaged, flying Jolly Roger flag, 1945 (RNSM)




http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/images/themes/conflictandchange/ww2/submarine/a23_02_330.jpg Jolly Roger of HMS Trenchant (RNSM)

[Fish40]

Very interesting, and thanks for posting:up: As far as the airconditioning on the boats, like US Fleet Boats I think the AC was installed as a measure to prevent condensation from the tropical climate from playing havoc with the electric circuits of the equipment, rather than a comfort for the crew. The crew as a result benefited greatly of coarse from this. Thanks again for the info.

[keltos01]

can anyone do this campaign ? we have the Class T but are too busy with the IJN campaign to build a british one.

keltos

[Ducimus]

It sounds interesting. Hopefully someone picks up on it. I had no idea they were in the IO, i thought it was mainly the med and north atlantic for the brits. They really don't get their fair due.

[iambecomelife]

"*****ly heat" :rotfl2:

I love the unnecessary censorship on this site.

Interesting write-up, too.

[lurker_hlb3]

can anyone do this campaign ? we have the Class T but are too busy with the IJN campaign to build a british one.

keltos

So where is this T-class for download

[keltos01]

So where is this T-class for download

v 1.64 Class T submarine :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i4jwmlw2vzm/v1.6.4_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z



you might wanna check out this thread :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137856

and this (older) one which has all the subs versions :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140383&page=6
keltos

[lurker_hlb3]

v 1.64 Class T submarine :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i4jwmlw2vzm/v1.6.4_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z



you might wanna check out this thread :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137856

and this (older) one which has all the subs versions :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140383&page=6
keltos

CTD on test run on a stock SH4 using the 164 version

[keltos01]

strange.. it works on my end, will check it out..

try the 1.62 version untill I finish off the 1.64 :

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/djjvnv...t_-_T_cla1.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/djjvnvtzi3y/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar)

adding this improved torpedo mod :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/y5mzzmt2kmz/British mark VIII and VIII.7z

will insure that both mark VIII and VIII** do not turn, you have to aim the ship at the target ! WWI technology...



@all : here is the tower view fix, the rest of the stuff will come when it is ready, probably as a whole mod, fixes the views on the tower etc.. :

d/l tower fix (slip in Objects directory of mod) :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ymzng4..._Triton_01.dat (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ymzng4jvnjf/Conning_Triton_01.dat)

[keltos01]

CTD on test run on a stock SH4 using the 164 version

I use the 1.5 version of SH4 for all my mods.

keltos

[GlobalExplorer]

Only a comment to this mod. After playing U-boats ad nauseam and getting our fill with US boats too, being able to play british submarines should be very high on the list. Compared with the US the british boats were much more similar to U-boats (i.e. smaller and lighter). Besides it would be a new perspective on things to see ports from the inside which we have been familiarized with being "hostile". For example, the landscape around Scapa Flow is very beautiful ;) And it would be interesting to start operations from the Lazaretto in Valetta, etc.

[keltos01]

The Class T submarine is getting ready to sail thanks to Peabody :)

I heard there were S boats and U boat (;) ) models outthere ?

and what about a British Campaign then ?

keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

If you're making a British Far East campaign, then you shouldn't need a U-class submarine...they were never in the Far East as far as i'm aware. I do have a list of all the RN subs which were out there if you need them.

[GerritJ9]

HMS "Trusty" arrived at Soerabaja on Feb. 19th 1942, and proceeded to the dockyard for maintenance. On Feb. 26th she departed for Colombo.
HMS "Truant" arrived at Soerabaja on Feb. 12th 1942, and departed on Feb. 18th for a patrol in Lombok Strait. During this patrol she carried out an unsuccessful attack on the Japanese cruiser "Ashigara"; she was recalled on Feb. 25th and after arrival at Soerabaja came under the command of the CinC Eastern Fleet, departing for Colombo on Feb. 27th. (Source: "De Koninklijke Marine in de Tweede Wereldoorlog (Vol.2)" by Dr. Ph.M. Bosscher).
From memory, apart from a brief patrol in the South China sea by one of the two in April 1942, this was the only British sub contribution to the Far East war until 1943, when several T-class subs were sent to Ceylon.

[GerritJ9]

HMS "Tally-Ho", completed in April 1943, started her first war patrol from Ceylon on Oct. 26th 1943. On Jan. 11th 1944 she sank the cruiser "Kuma" off Penang, and the submarine UIT-23 (ex-Italian) in Malacca Strait on Feb. 15th 1944. After several patrols she departed for Europe on Dec 2nd 1944.

[DeerHunter UK]

The T classes were also joined by a number of S class subs, a couple of Dutch subs, some mine laying subs and the 2 support ships HMS Adamant and Maidstone.

[keltos01]

So you see ! there is stuff to do for the British Boats after all ;)

keltos

[lurker_hlb3]

I may look into this. Have done some research on this and found some good info. I need something to do as both OM and RSRDC have run their course. If I do it, may make it part of RSRDC or make it a stand only, not sure yet.

[Hitman]

Lurker you could also consider adding the proper flotillas in the mediterranean and north sea, from what I have seen in the mission editor OM is very complete in that regard, featuring a lot of axis coastal traffic. :up:

[keltos01]

I may look into this. Have done some research on this and found some good info. I need something to do as both OM and RSRDC have run their course. If I do it, may make it part of RSRDC or make it a stand only, not sure yet.


:DL

[lurker_hlb3]

Lurker you could also consider adding the proper flotillas in the mediterranean and north sea, from what I have seen in the mission editor OM is very complete in that regard, featuring a lot of axis coastal traffic. :up:

I don't see this as a problem, if I do this it will be for "all" theaters, but it will be in phases like OM/RSRDC

[DeerHunter UK]

Expanding on the Med and home waters\Atlantic theatres, you could also add the S & U class subs aswell.

[Jan Kyster]

If somebody needs something to read, I can highly recommend

One of our Submarines
by Edward Young, Commander, D.S.O., D.S.C.,R.N.V.(S.)R.

Published in 1952, so no ISBN...



Some image from the book:


HMS Tribune taking in diesel oil from depot ship after patrol
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/HMS-Tribune.jpg


HMS Storm entering Haslar Creek, Gosport, on her return from the Far East
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/HMS-Storm.jpg


Have a nice Holiday!
Jan

[keltos01]

did they have a dazzle paint scheme on the T like on the above S ? :)

keltos

[lurker_hlb3]

The working title will be “We Dive at Dawn” (WDAD)

Phase One will be the “Far East Fleet Ops” based out of Ceylon and Australia with a start date of Jan 42. This is based on patrol data from this site:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/ (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/)

and specifically the patrols of the HMS Trusty

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/page25.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/page25.html)

Patrol objectives will be created from of a composite of the operations of the various T-Class.


Phase two will be T / U Class boats operating in the North Sea / Norwegian Coastal Area

Phase Three will be the Mediterranean.

I have gotten a copy of VAA's U-Class which I have up and running and currently awaiting the OK from him to use it.

I figure Phase one will take a few months to workup and test

This mod from a “historical” point will be at the same level of RSRDC / OM


Lurker

[DeerHunter UK]

did they have a dazzle paint scheme on the T like on the above S ? :)

keltos

On page 99 of "The T-class submarine: The classic British design", there's a photo of HMS Trenchant returning to Fremantle sporting a very strange paint scheme. It might not be the dazzle paint design but it doesn't look standard either.

*EDIT*
And on page 120, HMS Thrasher is definitely sporting a dazzle paint scheme. Although the picture is post war (October 1945), there is no way they would repaint her just before scrapping her so it's almost certainly a wartime scheme.

[keltos01]

On page 99 of "The T-class submarine: The classic British design", there's a photo of HMS Trenchant returning to Fremantle sporting a very strange paint scheme. It might not be the dazzle paint design but it doesn't look standard either.

*EDIT*
And on page 120, HMS Thrasher is definitely sporting a dazzle paint scheme. Although the picture is post war (October 1945), there is no way they would repaint her just before scrapping her so it's almost certainly a wartime scheme.

found it ! :

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5253/dazzlet.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/dazzlet.jpg/)

p.99

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3300/trasher.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/trasher.jpg/)


P.120

and the one Jan found :

HMS Storm entering Haslar Creek, Gosport, on her return from the Far East
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/HMS-Storm.jpg




I definetely like the first one !

If someone would be so kind as to make a skin for the T Class with that paint scheme, I'd be a happy sailor indeed ;)

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

The working title will be “We Dive at Dawn” (WDAD)

Phase One will be the “Far East Fleet Ops” based out of Ceylon and Australia with a start date of Jan 42. This is based on patrol data from this site:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/ (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/)

and specifically the patrols of the HMS Trusty

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/page25.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/page25.html)

Patrol objectives will be created from of a composite of the operations of the various T-Class.


Phase two will be T / U Class boats operating in the North Sea / Norwegian Coastal Area

Phase Three will be the Mediterranean.

I have gotten a copy of VAA's U-Class which I have up and running and currently awaiting the OK from him to use it.

I figure Phase one will take a few months to workup and test

This mod from a “historical” point will be at the same level of RSRDC / OM


Lurker

:o:yeah::woot:

[DeerHunter UK]

Don't forget the S-class! I can't wait to have this on my conning tower.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/Moggy43Sqn/SPITEFUL.jpg

[lurker_hlb3]

Don't forget the S-class! I can't wait to have this on my conning tower.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/Moggy43Sqn/SPITEFUL.jpg


Unless some one "builds" one it won't be in the mod

[keltos01]

The S-class submarines of the Royal Navy were originally designed and built during the modernisation of the submarine force in the early 1930s to meet the need for smaller boats to patrol the restricted waters of the North Sea and the Mediterranean Sea replacing the H class submarines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_S_class_submarine_%281931%29

keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

Unless some one "builds" one it won't be in the mod

Or gets permission and convert the S-class sub from the GWX mod.

[keltos01]

Or gets permission and convert the S-class sub from the GWX mod.


can you please post pictures of it ??

keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

Apologies for the quality of the pics, it's been a right faff trying to get this to work...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9397/sclass3.jpg

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4627/sclass2.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5890/sclass1.jpg

*EDIT*
Don't know if this helps or not but I've just had a quick look through the GWX manual and JU88 is the creator of the sub for GWX.

[keltos01]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6899/sclass.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/sclass.jpg/)

She does look british ! ;)

what's that pyramid type thingie ? the T had that too..

easiest to do a print screen ingame then open photoshop, create a new picture and paste

I edited your last picture, hope you don't mind.

closer looks would be nice too

keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

The pyramid thingie is the MF/DF (medium frequency direction finder) coil. It's a pre-war version of HUFF DUFF...except it's medium frequency instead of high frequency (as used on U-boats).

http://middle-watch.com/EW.htm

[keltos01]

The pyramid thingie is the MF/DF (medium frequency direction finder) coil. It's a pre-war version of HUFF DUFF...except it's medium frequency instead of high frequency (as used on U-boats).

http://middle-watch.com/EW.htm

come to think of it I think I removed it from the T :oops:

[DeerHunter UK]

Weird thing is not all the subs had it, I've seen photos of S, T & U classes with and without it. According to uboat.net it was used as an aid to navigation and not detection.

[Hotmanandre]

The British sisters does not suffice only: A-class and P-class
http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351.jpg.html)

[keltos01]

The British sisters does not suffice only: A-class and P-class
http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351.jpg.html)


:D nice ! GWX 3.0 ?

keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

It's not GWX 3.0, I think only the S and T classes make an appearance.

[keltos01]

The British sisters does not suffice only: A-class and P-class
http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s004.radikal.ru/i208/1005/84/2213061f4351.jpg.html)



The T looks like the mesh JU_88 made and allowed me to use in my mod,

do you have those two other models ? could I use them ?

keltos

[Hotmanandre]

The T looks like the mesh JU_88 made and allowed me to use in my mod,

do you have those two other models ? could I use them ?

keltos

I simply utilised submarines of class T S from: Silen Hunter-3 (AI)
And the Submarine of class U is a boat: Dagon, аsk it? :yeah:

[keltos01]

HMS Trenchant (P331)

apart from the subs already shown on page 2 of this thread, Traveller also sported a type of dazzle paint scheme :


http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1553/travellersm.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/travellersm.jpg/)



http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/page23.html

keltos

[SteveUK]

Hi this may be a stupid question but are the british subs only for stock or canthey be used with any of supermods? Thanks a lot

[keltos01]

The T Class submarine I released was tested on SH4 v1.5 stock.

patch :

new bases for Class T subv 1.62.

Read the full description (http://www.filefront.com/11546246/patch_for_Class_T_ver_1.62.rar/#)
I added the CLass T boat to all careerstarts and the following flotillas : Brisbane, Australia - 7 missions - Aleutians - 2 missions

d/l :
http://www.filefront.com/11546246/patch_for_Class_T_ver_1.62.rar/

I think I made a patch for TMO for this sub a while back...

keltos

[SteveUK]

Thanks for the quick reply Keltos will give it a try. Sure do love your work :yeah:

[keltos01]

thanks,

can't find any TMO patch on this computer... maybe ask Duci to make one ?


keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

Keltos, you did create a patch for the T-class sub and TMO back in the day. It was for TMO v1.5, I've still got the 2 files from the patch (careerstart.upc & flotillas.upc) on my pc if it helps.

[keltos01]

oooh ! thanks !

can you upload them for me ?

you can try it, it should work on this version 1.73 too


keltos

[DeerHunter UK]

I've uploaded the files here:

http://www.filefront.com/user/Moggster

I've had a quick play with them using the 1.73 T-class and TMO 1.9 and they work for the most part in the campaign. However, some of the bases\dates do cause a ctd but I think this is to be expected.

*EDIT*
I've just had another play within a campaign setting. Unfortunately, there's a lot of functionality gone when using the T-class with TMO 1.9. I cannot get to the bridge at all now, so I think it may need a fair bit of editing to get the 2 mods working together.

[keltos01]

any progress on the British Campaign ???

keltos

[lurker_hlb3]

any progress on the British Campaign ???

keltos

Yes, I'm working on it

[keltos01]

:D:D:D:D