Stupidity

[Skybird]

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http://www.carbonbelchday.com/

Forgive the aggressive title, but what else to say about this non-brainer? This stunt really does not motivate not to start a rant on America. I know that it is only a part of the population, nevertheless the ammount of stupidity and unscrupellousness in this campaign is breathtaking. If the european discussion on energy saving light bulbs I see as hysteric and hectic actionism missing the centre of the problem, then this Belch Day is straightout braindead, and compares to the last uncontrolled convulsions of a dead body whose head has been cut off, while the dead face is still grinning.

Why I said unscrupellousness? Because by random chance, and no intention of course, it is taking place at the same day congress will have a main debate about the Climate Security Act.

Once again lobbies and brutal egoists who do not mind for a world and generations that need to live on after they themselves have died, have flexed their muscles and spend a lot of money to start a campaign to influence public opinion and people's minds. As the president of this campaign put it: in order to free their minds from the guilt Al Gore tried to harass their lives with.

Well, that Al Gore is an evil wacko, as we all know, right!? Compared to him, George Bush is a saint.

Kierkegaard once wrote: "It happened that a fire broke out backstage at a theater. The clown came out to inform the public. They thought it was just a jest and applauded. He repeated his warning, they shouted even louder. So I think the world will come to an end amid general applause from all the wits, who believe that it is a joke.” - CO2 Belch Day, and the way climate debates are being distorted, are perfect illustrations for how damn right Kierkegaard was.

I think stupidity is a highly infectous desease, and patients should be put under strict quarantine.

[Platapus]

First of all, the word is unscrupulous.

Second Grassfire.org is an internet based "petition" site that most people rightfully have never heard of. They are stationed out of Chesapeake, VA. They have been active for less than six years.

Third, clearly the Carbon Belch Day is meant as a satire with the covert intent to collect your name and address for the Grassfire mailing list. No intelligent person reading the Carbon Belch Day pages would ever confuse this with anything legitimate.

Must be a slow news day for this to get any attention

[Skybird]

A satire only, you say? They claim to have collected 100.000 signatures so far (they claim) - in a shorter ammount of time than Al Gore collected a comparable ammount of signatures for some other counter-petition on the issue that he had started. I was aware of grassfire.org, and checked them out before posting (small print on the Belch Day site, at the bottom), it gave me a very bad impression of them. However, I fail to see this Belch Day being satire only. Somebody meant it serious, I think, and tries to twist some minds.

I stumbled of grassire twice of three times before, to, so I suppose the site is not so totally unknown at all, but is embedded into a greater context of politcal camp fights and agendas.

[August]

Some people wouldn't know satire if it hit them over the head with a 2x4. I'm just sayin'...

[Platapus]

And what would 100,000 internet "signatures" do?

Those and $5.00 may get you a starbucks.

I follow political issues and polls pretty closely. None of them has ever used Grassfire.org as a source nor would I imagine they would.

They could get 100,000,000 internet "signatures" and it still would not mean much.

I really can't see any Senator changing the way he or she will vote based on what Grassfire.org says.

They simply are not that important.

[Ducimus]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w103/sketchy_2007/1142645184025.jpg
I saw it on the internet, so it must be true.

[FIREWALL]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

[Letum]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

Surely you are a little more thick-skinned than that?

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The site looks like satire to me. Not something to kick up dust about anyway.

[FIREWALL]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

Surely you are a little more thick-skinned than that?

___

The site looks like satire to me. Not something to kick up dust about anyway.

I stand by my post.

[Ducimus]

Post title doesn't offend me. I have had far worse said to me, up into my face. I admit, the initial shock is a bit hard to swallow. I grew used to it, but i also grew bitter. Countries like Korea, Bosnia, and other assorted places , can all rot in hell and become victims of genocide for all i care. Not that it would ever happen, but seeing Korea being overun by the DPRK would bring a smile to my face. I can see it now, "where are the American's?! Why aren't they helping us!!" That thought makes me grin ear to ear when i think of all the schitt i've had flung into my face.

[SUBMAN1]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:
Surely you are a little more thick-skinned than that?

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The site looks like satire to me. Not something to kick up dust about anyway.
I stand by my post.If it said the UK Letum, you'd be all over it. :D Thick skin my you know what....

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Some people wouldn't know satire if it hit them over the head with a 2x4. I'm just sayin'...Hahahahahaha! Now that was funny! I concur August! :up:

-S

[FIREWALL]

Let me clarify.

It was the title not, the content.

[SUBMAN1]

Just did a little checking - the site is owned by someone in Scottsdale Arizona, so yes, it is American in case anyone cares.

-S

[Letum]

If it said the UK Letum, you'd be all over it. :D Thick skin my you know what....

-S
Are you kidding?
Like so many, I'm appalled by the levels of stupid in the administration and occupants
of the UK. :nope:

We may be far from the worst, but that doesn't make it any better.

*edit*
Whilst I don't think the topic title is "offensive", I do think it is a little ironic to use the
word "stupid" in such a stupid way. :shifty: Less than tactful. It detracts from the content
of the topic.

[kiwi_2005]

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[Yahoshua]

wow you guys are getting all bent out of shape over a topic title......

[Ducimus]

wow you guys are getting all bent out of shape over a topic title......

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[Yahoshua]

:lol:

[Letum]

http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/

[Ducimus]

Nice rickroll, you got me. :rotfl:

[Skybird]

I knew that a certain gang around would take the title queer, but that it now is the only thing being discussed here is something that I take queer now.

Take note that I relativised the title already in the first and third sentence of my posting. And if you are in support of this Belchday, I fully stand to that title nevertheless. becasue it IS a stupid thing - and not only provokes but makes mockery of other people not agreeing with the thinking and policy behind it.

that the title discussion dominates over discussing the issue - which is an offense of healthy reason, and the people being adressed - I consider to be a queer order of priorities. Like some people also seem to reject environmental protection for only a principle reason to never do what others "have told them to do".

So I feel somewhat happy that I was away all day and night and missed how this "discussion" unfolded. If it would have been a title like "Stupidity made in the EU" - which I repeatedly indicated in other threads, too - probably nobody here would complain.

[August]

I object to the title of this thread, to the insulting content in the opening post and to the thread starters never ending habit of seeking out any and all opportunities to denigrate my country.

[NEON DEON]

A while back I asked if we could sticky a bash America thread. That way eveyone could take pot shots at the USA in one confined space instead of all over the forum.

But Noooooooo! Americans have to get it in multiple threads. :down:

So maybe US Americans should just start a bash everyone else in the World thread?:D :D :D

[FIREWALL]

A while back I asked if we could sticky a bash America thread. That way eveyone could take pot shots at the USA in one confined space instead of all over the forum.

But Noooooooo! Americans have to get it in multiple threads. :down:

So maybe US Americans should just start a bash everyone else in the World thread?:D :D :D


:up: :up: :up:

[Stealth Hunter]

wow you guys are getting all bent out of shape over a topic title......

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[HunterICX]

Americans calm down:p ,
Europeans play nice now (we ''might'' need to be liberated again in the future) :know:

and ALL lets have a good laugh at the following example of stupidity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzEF0D2xfE

HunterICX

[Letum]

No one upset the Americans! :p


Arf! at the video, but didn't someone make a post saying the cheese rolling had been
banned a year or two ago.....?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

You know, Americans, you could just..not go into a thread that says "Stupidity, made in the US"?

I do that with most of STEEDs threads. LOL.

[Letum]

You know, Americans, you could just..not go into a thread that says "Stupidity, made in the US"?

I do that with most of STEEDs threads. LOL.

Nah, I don't think something should be avoided just because you disagree with it.
Quite the reverse!

[August]

At least Steed talks about his own country. The poster in question here likes to make a habit of badmouthing other countries, mine especially, and it's getting old.

[kurtz]

Americans calm down:p ,
Europeans play nice now (we ''might'' need to be liberated again in the future) :know:

and ALL lets have a good laugh at the following example of stupidity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzEF0D2xfE

HunterICX

How come no one has dubbed the Dam Busters March over the cheese bouncing down the hill?

[Letum]

At least Steed talks about his own country. The poster in question here likes to make a habit of badmouthing other countries, mine especially, and it's getting old.

He is far from flattering about the UK or Germany either. And good on him for it.


...but, no one upset the Americans! :lol:

[bradclark1]

I just wanted to be the 32nd comment on a thread that has yet to go beyond the title. :up:

[Skybird]

You know, Americans, you could just..not go into a thread that says "Stupidity, made in the US"?

I do that with most of STEEDs threads. LOL.

Nah, I don't think something should be avoided just because you disagree with it.
Not disagreeing with what? A thread title, or the content of a stupid campaign website? Some people here are snapped, because bad boy Skybird used the words "stupidity" and "America" in one sentence. If I were American I would snap if some of my countrymen fire up a website like Belchday - and by that show me what a total brain-amputated idiot they think I am, not to mention that they add to the already very bad reputation of america regarding environmental protection policies, and attempting to prevent these at any opportunity possible.

The thread title is not offensive to Americans - they should be offended that the makers of Belchday dare to to tell them into their faces how stupid they think Americans are - and getting away with it.

[August]

He is far from flattering about the UK or Germany either. And good on him for it.

Sheer volume my British friend. Picking fringe movements and satire and arguing that they represent the American mainstream. Those are my issues with him. Yeah he may toss in the occasional anti-German or anti-British thread occasionally but his anti-American threads are pretty much a constant first page feature of this board and it's becoming tiring.

[Letum]

He is far from flattering about the UK or Germany either. And good on him for it.
Sheer volume my British friend. Picking fringe movements and satire and arguing that they represent the American mainstream. Those are my issues with him. Yeah he may toss in the occasional anti-German or anti-British thread occasionally but his anti-American threads are pretty much a constant first page feature of this board and it's becoming tiring.

Where does he say it represents the "American mainstream"?

You seam a little over sensative to me, but that said; no one upset the Americans! ;)

[joegrundman]

He is far from flattering about the UK or Germany either. And good on him for it.

Sheer volume my British friend. Picking fringe movements and satire and arguing that they represent the American mainstream. Those are my issues with him. Yeah he may toss in the occasional anti-German or anti-British thread occasionally but his anti-American threads are pretty much a constant first page feature of this board and it's becoming tiring.

The reason they stay at teh top is maybe because you all respond to them, whereas his many posts about germany and other european issues just die since no one cares.

Face it. You love it. You, and many others, cannot resist them.

If you are really tiring of it, don't answer, and they'll drop down too.

For any of you who can't remember when you last posted outside of general topics - this stuff is your bread and butter!

[Edit] :rotfl:

[August]

Where does he say it represents the "American mainstream"?

I was not talking about just this thread Letum.

[Letum]

Where does he say it represents the "American mainstream"?
I was not talking about just this thread Letum.

What makes you think I was?

[August]

Where does he say it represents the "American mainstream"?
I was not talking about just this thread Letum.
What makes you think I was?

Because "it" is singular, implying a single subject, post or thread.

Besides you're demanding that I provide a specific phrase, another cheap debating tactic, whereas you know that i'm talking about meaning and intent. The title of this thread and his subsequent replies clearly shows his intent is to be provocative and insulting.

[Letum]

It's a little more fundamental than a "cheep debateing tactic".

If you are only getting SB's "meaning and intent" by reading between the lines, then
that is your reading that is causing you to get upset and not SB's writing.

A really cheep debating tactic would be to point out that there is only one 'e' in
"debating", but of course I would never stoop to such a low level; I make enough typos
myself. ;)

/post-irony

[August]

It's a little more fundamental than a "cheep debateing tactic".

If you are only getting SB's "meaning and intent" by reading between the lines, then
that is your reading that is causing you to get upset and not SB's writing.

A really cheep debating tactic would be to point out that there is only one 'e' in
"debating", but of course I would never stoop to such a low level; I make enough typos
myself. ;)

/post-irony

Sorry, that was a bit over the top on my part but for the record I didn't spell cheap or debating with two "E"s Letum. You did.

In any case one doesn't have to read between the lines to get the insult in "Stupidity, made in the US".

[Letum]

the top on my part but for the record I didn't spell cheap or debating with two "E"s Letum. You did.


:rotfl::rotfl:
So I did!

I coulda sworn I copy & pasted it, then when I reviewed wht I had written I saw a spelling mistake.

Well, I certinaly proved my self right: I make enough typos myself!

*edit*

How rude of me, please accept my apologies!



*edit2*


In any case one doesn't have to read between the lines to get the insult in "Stupidity, made in the US".
Well, it (the website) is, arguably, stupid and it is made in the US.
It is also about a predominantly US attitude to carbon, all be it at the extreme end.

But as I said:
Whilst I don't think the topic title is "offensive", I do think it is a little ironic to use the
word "stupid" in such a stupid way. :shifty: Less than tactful. It detracts from the content
of the topic.

And that is something of an understatement.

Any topic title discussed more than the topic is a poor choice of topic title.

[TteFAboB]

Where do I sign?

[FIREWALL]

Woke up this morning and was surprised this thread was still going.

I'm going to do something more constructive.


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To those that like to bash my country under the guise of debate.

I concede. You are the MasturDebators.

[Ducimus]

Im sorry, but no amount of internet tough talk will ever top someone saying to your face three simple words in an unprovoked verbal assault, "F**K you G.I!". Or better yet go to a resturant and get the host in your face saying something like, "You go! You go NOW! We don't serve Americans!"

So come on guys, toughen the skin up a little. A post title of a thread posted on an internet message forum is hardly the most offensive thing in the world.

[FIREWALL]

Im sorry, but no amount of internet tough talk will ever top someone saying to your face three simple words in an unprovoked verbal assault, "F**K you G.I!". Or better yet go to a resturant and get the host in your face saying something like, "You go! You go NOW! We don't serve Americans!"

So come on guys, toughen the skin up a little. A post title of a thread posted on an internet message forum is hardly the most offensive thing in the world.

So true DUCE but as posted by more than one member "It's getting old"

Btw a better one is " Go F**K your Mother. That one usally get's things happening.:p

[Ducimus]

Btw a better one is " Go F**K your Mother. That one usally get's things happening.:p

Ohh i know how to say that one in spanish! Its like the ultimate insult to over half the population here in california! :rotfl:

[Onkel Neal]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

Fixed.

[August]

A post title of a thread posted on an internet message forum is hardly the most offensive thing in the world.

Certainly not, but then again neither are our responses to it now are they? Nobody is flying over to Germany to hunt him down like a dog, nobody is demanding that he be banned, or making any threats.

Don't you think that if he has the right to make these provocative posts then we have the right to voice our displeasure with them? Why do you believe we have to keep silent?

[Letum]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:
Fixed.

:hmm: In that case...

I DO FIND THE NEW TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

:arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

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[Letum]

To avoid this happening again, perhaps someone could post a list of words that can't
be used in the same sentance as 'America' with out being offensive.

[FIREWALL]

I DO FIND THE TITLE OFFENSIVE.:down:

Fixed.


YOU IS DA BOMB:up: :up: :up: :up:

Thank you Neal. I'm sorry to say it's infecting other threads.

I hope I didn't go overboard but I enjoy this Website and it's up to all of us to keep it kool.

The Moderaters work hard at keeping it kool but it's our responsibility to help.

I might not be that help.(I hope not ) but I'm tired of the baiting & bashing. " What come's around, Goes around "

Let's hope you can clear the air.

Were supposed to be young & old Adults RIGHT :D

[August]

http://www.subsim.com/behave.jpg

Torplexed did that? Friggin brown noser! :D

[Onkel Neal]

To avoid this happening again, perhaps someone could post a list of words that can't
be used in the same sentance as 'America' with out being offensive.

I try to apply the same standard, regardless of country. If someone had posted a topic "Typical Austrian behaviour" about the whacko who kept his daughter in the basement for 17 years and bore 4 children with her, I would have zapped that as well. It really doesn't serve our community to generalize like that.

[Platapus]

Glad we have adult supervision on this board :up:

[Letum]

To avoid this happening again, perhaps someone could post a list of words that can't
be used in the same sentance as 'America' with out being offensive.
I try to apply the same standard, regardless of country. If someone had posted a topic "Typical Austrian behaviour" about the whacko who kept his daughter in the basement for 17 years and bore 4 children with her, I would have zapped that as well. It really doesn't serve our community to generalize like that.

Well, yes, and that's quite right.
However, this topic title was not a generalization.

It just said that there was something stupid from the US and, arguably, there was.

I did not say "America is stupid" or "All Americans are stupid" or "this is typically American".

It just said one American made something stupid.
It made no genraliseation. I don't see ho that is unfair.

[bradclark1]

Wow! 59 posts and still not past the title line. This has got to be some kind of record.

[Skybird]

http://www.subsim.com/behave.jpg

Ouch - several idols turned into one! :88) That is one hero more than I can handle...

An alternative interpretation of course could be that Uncle Neal has a characteristic decision weakness regarding what kind of superhero he wants to be... :)

And again, for the record: I relativised the title already in the first paragraph, saying something like I knbow it is not all the population.

But that people feel offended by that topic and title, but not feel offended by the Belchday website, is beyond me, and thankfully probably always will be. As Brad said: sixty posts - and still not beyond the title. :lol: Seems to be a successful avoiding tactic for not needing to adress the issue this thread is about.

[August]

Seems to be a successful avoiding tactic for not needing to adress the issue this thread is about.

The subject was addressed in the 2nd post of the thread. Satire, remember?