Is SH4 U-boat Mission "skipping" ranks?

[conus00]

I just got my hands on hi res pictures of shoulder boards and sleeve patches of Kriegsmarine a just saw John Hamm's Uniforms MOD :up:
I have been thinking about redoing all his German ranks in hi-res but I ran into a slight problem: Does SH4 "skip" certain ranks? It seems to me that it does.

Here is the list of all Kriegsmarine ranks between Matrosengefreiter and Oberfähnrich zur See (I made a star next to each one John Hamm has in his mod, dash next to each one I have actually seen in the game so far) There seems to be quite a few skipped. Can someone confirm that for me?:

-* Matrosengefreiter
-* Matrosenobergefreiter
* Matrosenhauptgefreiter
| Matrosenobergefreiter
| Matrosenhauptgefreiter
| Matrosengefreiter UA (abgeschlossen)
| Matrosengefreiter UA (nicht abgeschlossen)
|* Matrosenstabsgefreiter
| Matrosenoberstabsgefreiter

| Bootsmannsmaat
| Oberbootsmannsmaat
| Steuermannsmaat
| Obersteuermannsmaat
-* Bootsmann
-* Stabsbootsmann
-* Oberbootsmann
Stabsoberbootsmann
-* Fähnrich zur See
|* Oberfähnrich zur See

[LukeFF]

The ranks SH4 "skips" for the German side are ranks you really wouldn't see, anyways, on a U-boat. The ranks you see in-game are, by and large, the ones seen on just about every U-boat in the fleet (except for the absence of crewmen with the rank of Leutnant).

[JScones]

The ranks SH4 "skips" for the German side are ranks you really wouldn't see, anyways, on a U-boat. The ranks you see in-game are, by and large, the ones seen on just about every U-boat in the fleet (except for the absence of crewmen with the rank of Leutnant).
Correct me if I am wrong here, but doesn't SH4:UBM, like SH3, leave out the JNCO (Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee) ranks? JNCOs CERTAINLY made up some of a U-boat's crew, LOL!

A typical Type VII crew looked like this:

Commander (usually an KptLt, KvtKpt or ObLt)
1WO (usually an ObLt)
2WO (usually an Lt)
LI (usually an ObLt or Lt)
3WO/Navigator (usually the Obersteuermann)
4WO (usually an Oberbootsmaat)

General (ie cook etc)
2 x Oberbootsmann
1 x Bootsmann
7 x Matrosenobergefreiter
3 x Matrosengefreiter

Engine Room
1 x Stabsobermaschinist
2 x Obermaschinist
2 x Maschinenobermaat
5 x Maschinenmaat
11 x Maschinenobergefreiter
5 x Maschinengefreiter

Radio Operators
3 x Funkobermaat
1 x Funkobergefreiter
2 x Funkgefreiter

Torpedo Room
1 x Obermechaniker
2 x Mechanikermaat
1 x Mechanikerobergefreiter
1 x Mechanikergefreiter

Medical
1 x Sanitatsmaat

All those ranks ending in "maat" are JNCOs. You'll also notice that -hauptgefreiter (-stabsgefreiter from 1944) did not appear that often on U-boats, yet again, if I'm not mistaken, is included in SH4:UBM (it's certainly in SH3).

As an aside, it would be nice (for crew tracking) if we could have correct rank prefixes/suffixes too instead of the generic "Matrosen" or "Bootsmann".

BTW, what are the ranks included in SH4:UBM? I've yet to receive my copy. :(

[LukeFF]

JSC,

These are the ranks your crewmen can have:

Matrose
Matrosengefreiter
Matrosenobergefreiter
Maat
Obermaat
Bootsmann
Stabsbootsmann
Oberbootsmann
Stabsoberbootsmann
Fähnrich zur See
Oberfähnrich zur See
Leutnant zur See

Much more thorough than SH3, but by default none of your crew can attain the rank of Oberleutnant (it can be modded in, though).

[JScones]

JSC,

These are the ranks your crewmen can have:

Matrose
Matrosengefreiter
Matrosenobergefreiter
Maat
Obermaat
Bootsmann
Stabsbootsmann
Oberbootsmann
Stabsoberbootsmann
Fähnrich zur See
Oberfähnrich zur See
Leutnant zur See

Much more thorough than SH3, but by default none of your crew can attain the rank of Oberleutnant (it can be modded in, though).
Thanks. :up: :rock:

Much better "choice" than SH3.

[John W. Hamm]

I just got my hands on hi res pictures of shoulder boards and sleeve patches of Kriegsmarine a just saw John Hamm's Uniforms MOD :up:
I have been thinking about redoing all his German ranks in hi-res but I ran into a slight problem: Does SH4 "skip" certain ranks? It seems to me that it does.

Here is the list of all Kriegsmarine ranks between Matrosengefreiter and Oberfähnrich zur See (I made a star next to each one John Hamm has in his mod, dash next to each one I have actually seen in the game so far) There seems to be quite a few skipped. Can someone confirm that for me?:

-* Matrosengefreiter
-* Matrosenobergefreiter
* Matrosenhauptgefreiter
| Matrosenobergefreiter
| Matrosenhauptgefreiter
| Matrosengefreiter UA (abgeschlossen)
| Matrosengefreiter UA (nicht abgeschlossen)
|* Matrosenstabsgefreiter
| Matrosenoberstabsgefreiter

| Bootsmannsmaat
| Oberbootsmannsmaat
| Steuermannsmaat
| Obersteuermannsmaat
-* Bootsmann
-* Stabsbootsmann
-* Oberbootsmann
Stabsoberbootsmann
-* Fähnrich zur See
|* Oberfähnrich zur See

Man if you would I would love you forever, the German ranks,are the area I spent the least time on, as my understanding of their system leaves a little to be desired, I had another gentleman on here send me a message about how I should make some corrections, and i have started on it but I have not finished it, essetially I left out the cadet ranks and replaced them with officers, I regret that so, in the next version I plan to restore the ranks to theri original format

[conus00]

John, I already have some working files you could take a look at. I have no idea how to implement the images themselves to the program (i.e how to change the works so the skins actually correspond with the biographies)... I am graphic designer not a programmer (but considering how many people here tackle modding, it can't be that hard :D)
Anyway, if you PM me your email I can send you something to look at... Either TGAs or DDSs. Just let me know....
-Libor

[John W. Hamm]

John, I already have some working files you could take a look at. I have no idea how to implement the images themselves to the program (i.e how to change the works so the skins actually correspond with the biographies)... I am graphic designer not a programmer (but considering how many people here tackle modding, it can't be that hard :D)
Anyway, if you PM me your email I can send you something to look at... Either TGAs or DDSs. Just let me know....
-Libor


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