[REQ] GUPPY mod

[Bubbe]

Hi! Can you create this mod?
http://i28.tinypic.com/34pcifb.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/28hcqjk.jpg

[Nokia]

I would also like it if someone could model the GUPPY sail even if it only had cosmetic effects :D.

But personally I would prefer this guppy model
http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/pictures/images/zeeleeuw1/boat_zeeleeuw1_2.jpg

[andycaccia]

It will be useful in the cold war mod... Regarding which GUPPY series, i'd say all of them. From the first to the third. Since the fleet boats remained nearly unchanged in their structure and overall performance, we could add theese upgrades like new conning towers.

Or we could use new, updated, subs as new vessels with slightly improved performances (like submerged speed/endurance).

I hope someone will make it.

[Carotio]

I didn't know, a sub class was named guppy, so for a second, this came into my mind: :lol:

http://www.zoohaussenti.ch/bilder/guppy.JPG

[Raptor1]

I didn't know, a sub class was named guppy, so for a second, this came into my mind: :lol:

http://www.zoohaussenti.ch/bilder/guppy.JPG

A sub class was not named Guppy, GUPPY stands for Greater Underwater Propulsion Power Program (Though that would by GUPPP, But whatever)

[andycaccia]

GUPPY is, in fact, a nickname for G.U.P.P.P...it was a program of general improvement of older fleet boats (gatos and balaos and also tenches) to make the compliant with the newest submarine tecnologies developed during and shortly after WWII.

[Bubbe]

Who knows edit in 3d:D ?

[CDR Resser]

Hi! Can you create this mod?
http://i28.tinypic.com/34pcifb.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/28hcqjk.jpg

Where were these picture taken? I don't recognize anything in the background.
Great Pics, by the way.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

[Bubbe]

Take from Wikipedia.

[Webster]

http://www.zoohaussenti.ch/bilder/guppy.JPG

well if you use the cammo pattern and colors of the real guppy, it would surely confuse the enemy who saw it. :rotfl:

[Rockin Robbins]

Second photo was taken in Istanbul. See the Hagia Sophia in the background.

[DeepIron]

Well, the GUPPY mods were done from '47 to '49, an interesting time when the US was starting to use subs for more clandestine spy ops...

[Bubbe]

News?

[Sailor Steve]

A sub class was not named Guppy, GUPPY stands for Greater Underwater Propulsion Power Program (Though that would by GUPPP, But whatever)
They probably justified it by saying it was obviously GUPP-P, which would let it be pronounced "Guppy."

[Kamikaze Krazy]

"The "Y" was just added at the end to make a nice-sounding word."

Source: "Submarines: The Story of Underwater Craft from the Diving Bell of 300 B.C. to Nuclear- Powered Ships by Edward C. Stephens, illustrated by Jack Coggins, a Golden Press Inc. Book, copyright 1959. A real golden oldie in my opinion, I bought it at a antique store in Becker, MN.

I hope I was helpful enough for y'all.:) ...and that I didn't insult someone...:oops:

[Raptor1]

"The "Y" was just added at the end to make a nice-sounding word."

Source: "Submarines: The Story of Underwater Craft from the Diving Bell of 300 B.C. to Nuclear- Powered Ships by Edward C. Stephens, illustrated by Jack Coggins, a Golden Press Inc. Book, copyright 1959. A real golden oldie in my opinion, I bought it at a antique store in Becker, MN.

I hope I was helpful enough for y'all.:) ...and that I didn't insult someone...:oops:

HOW DARE YOU!!!!...j/k :)

I figured it was something like that, GUPPP is just too hard to pronounce

[gimpy117]

any actual work beign done? or is it just talk as of yet?

[Bubbe]

i thik that's difficult find someone that can do this mod!

[gimpy117]

yeah i have no modeling skills whatsoever...

[Bubbe]

Someone can make the conning tower????????????????????????????????????

[Raptor1]

Someone can make the conning tower????????????????????????????????????

I'm sure there's someone that doesn't suck at 3d modelling out there somewhere, we just have to find him, torture him severly and have him make it for us, at which point we'll imprison him and have him be our 3d modelling slave for all eternity! :D

[punkmaster98]

if somebody can help me find dimensions, i might be able to help. i do have 3d modelling experience but i have never incorporated it into games.

[treblesum81]

So far thats been the hardest part of my foray into modelling (something thats literally just started this week...), Its extremely hard to find any sort real data from which to work with. I guess its understandable, being so important in the cold war, most submarines designes remain classified to this day, or if they aren't classified, they are not readily available on the internet like we'd all hope they are...

[Nokia]

Found this while searching for the tower dimension...
http://saragossa.net/cubby/images/hist/guppy_details1.jpg

Could be useful....

This also gives a rough idea how tall the tower should be
http://www.ussalbacore.org/img/img_albacore_story/2-4.jpg

[akdavis]

I'm sure actual plans are available. Shouldn't have to guess or "free-hand" the sail. I'll see what I can find.

[akdavis]

That was fairly easy. Took about 30 sec. on Google. ;)

http://www.gatosubs.com/download.htm

Fairly detailed plans for all three GUPPY sail types there.

e.g.:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6408/mknoaspethrc9.jpg

And something else:
http://usssabalo.org/H-Graphic_Sailplan.jpg

[Bubbe]

Very good!:up:

[geosub1978]

I also expect a GUPPY.

If I knew how, I would already have done it!

[Bubbe]

But you can make this mod?

[Charlielima]

Yah! Visually it's just the conning tower. A snorkel? Hmm. The propulsion upgrade is file tweaking. CL

[treblesum81]

Well, if you just want it to be a fleet snorkel upgrade, thats all you need, but for a true GUPPY upgrade there is a lot more that needs to be done.

Full GUPPY IA/B or II gets a rounded bow, increased speed underwater, a snorkel, and increased underwater endurance. It also loses the deck guns and pretty much all of the cleats and other exterior protrusions... In addition, most get a chin mounted SONAR array.

GUPPY III's get all of that, plus a 15ft extension, and in many cases passive SONAR "sails" (or "horns", depending on how you look at them).

There are quite a few other mods to the actual subs that probably wouldn't really be feasable in the game and wouldn't really make any difference, like having 4 batteries instead of 2 which lead to more cramped conditions, changed location of the sonar room and larger AC for better comfort. All things that wouldn't really have an effect in SH4 and probably would be a lot of work to model.

As it stands right now, I'm working on a Fleet Snorkel conversion for the Balao and Tench, which were the sub classes to recieve this specific mod. If I'm able to make things like the snorkel work properly (to be worthwhile it needs to provide 02 and ability to run the engine underwater... though I haven't really found any distinct reference saying this was a capability of the device, so if anyone can show me proof it didn't provide 02 for the crew, I'll let it be that way), then I'll start focussing on creating a true to form GUPPY mod for the Balao and Tench classes (only two Gato's got the IB mod, so I'm not sure if it will be made here), which will include the updated hull structure and performance.

I'll post a WIP thread sometime in the not so distant future once I've gotten at least a rough of the model put together.

[Charlielima]

Well, if you just want it to be a fleet snorkel upgrade, thats all you need, but for a true GUPPY upgrade there is a lot more that needs to be done.

Full GUPPY IA/B or II gets a rounded bow, increased speed underwater, a snorkel, and increased underwater endurance. It also loses the deck guns and pretty much all of the cleats and other exterior protrusions... In addition, most get a chin mounted SONAR array.

GUPPY III's get all of that, plus a 15ft extension, and in many cases passive SONAR "sails" (or "horns", depending on how you look at them).

There are quite a few other mods to the actual subs that probably wouldn't really be feasable in the game and wouldn't really make any difference, like having 4 batteries instead of 2 which lead to more cramped conditions, changed location of the sonar room and larger AC for better comfort. All things that wouldn't really have an effect in SH4 and probably would be a lot of work to model.

As it stands right now, I'm working on a Fleet Snorkel conversion for the Balao and Tench, which were the sub classes to recieve this specific mod. If I'm able to make things like the snorkel work properly (to be worthwhile it needs to provide 02 and ability to run the engine underwater... though I haven't really found any distinct reference saying this was a capability of the device, so if anyone can show me proof it didn't provide 02 for the crew, I'll let it be that way), then I'll start focussing on creating a true to form GUPPY mod for the Balao and Tench classes (only two Gato's got the IB mod, so I'm not sure if it will be made here), which will include the updated hull structure and performance.

I'll post a WIP thread sometime in the not so distant future once I've gotten at least a rough of the model put together.

I stand corrected. Oh yeah. I'll take one of each please. CL

[DS]

Any news on this yet?

I am another person waiting patiently for the Great SH4 GUPPY Mod (GSH4GM)!!:yep:

(I can't build it, but I just named it...)

[gimpy117]

I bet it's dead...:cry:

[castorp345]

I bet it's dead...:cry:

was it ever alive?
...
:doh:

[Capt Jack Harkness]

Well, if you just want it to be a fleet snorkel upgrade, thats all you need, but for a true GUPPY upgrade there is a lot more that needs to be done.

Full GUPPY IA/B or II gets a rounded bow, increased speed underwater, a snorkel, and increased underwater endurance. It also loses the deck guns and pretty much all of the cleats and other exterior protrusions... In addition, most get a chin mounted SONAR array.

GUPPY III's get all of that, plus a 15ft extension, and in many cases passive SONAR "sails" (or "horns", depending on how you look at them).

There are quite a few other mods to the actual subs that probably wouldn't really be feasable in the game and wouldn't really make any difference, like having 4 batteries instead of 2 which lead to more cramped conditions, changed location of the sonar room and larger AC for better comfort. All things that wouldn't really have an effect in SH4 and probably would be a lot of work to model.

As it stands right now, I'm working on a Fleet Snorkel conversion for the Balao and Tench, which were the sub classes to recieve this specific mod. If I'm able to make things like the snorkel work properly (to be worthwhile it needs to provide 02 and ability to run the engine underwater... though I haven't really found any distinct reference saying this was a capability of the device, so if anyone can show me proof it didn't provide 02 for the crew, I'll let it be that way), then I'll start focussing on creating a true to form GUPPY mod for the Balao and Tench classes (only two Gato's got the IB mod, so I'm not sure if it will be made here), which will include the updated hull structure and performance.

I'll post a WIP thread sometime in the not so distant future once I've gotten at least a rough of the model put together.

The snorkels did indeed replenish both 02 and provide air for the diesels. Basically, the snorkel pipes air into the ship, then the diesels suck that air through the boat and spit it out the exhaust (as far as I know, the diesels are never directly connected to the snorkel). It's a similar principle to running a suction in fleet boats (open the hatches from the bridge to the engine room and run the engines with the main induction shut, a tactic still used today for clearing smoke from fires).

Anyways, as for this project being dead or not, there will be GUPPYs in our upcoming Cold War mod; and I imagine we'll also be asking Dagon for permission to use his Foxtrot as well...

[Anthony W.]

The first pic is of the USS Requin, which I freaking want.

According to wiki - as much as I HATE to quote it - the Requin "had an additional five-inch/25-caliber deck gun, as well as two 24-tube five-inch (127 mm) rocket launchers, which were intended to be used to provide offshore bombardment during Operation Downfall, the planned invasion of Kyūshū and Honshū."

Which I think is amazing.

[Krauter]

Look for a post by Sledgehammer and he's made a GUPPY model with the most of the specs completed.

[Sledgehammer427]

This is true. :|\\

I have a GUPPY that is about 90% done.

I also have all three towers, the Torsk-like portsmouth sail, the EB sail, and the "Atlantic" sail. I haven't looked at the mod in quite a while, but if the interest is resurging I may release a one-tower candidate.

The bow has been sharpened. its not the standard one.

[keltos01]

Hey Sledgehammer427 ! glad to see you still roam these waters ! :)

keltos

[gimpy117]

woah! thread from the grave!!
90% you say?

[AVGWarhawk]

This is true. :|\\

I have a GUPPY that is about 90% done.

I also have all three towers, the Torsk-like portsmouth sail, the EB sail, and the "Atlantic" sail. I haven't looked at the mod in quite a while, but if the interest is resurging I may release a one-tower candidate.

The bow has been sharpened. its not the standard one.

:D:yeah::up:

[Anthony W.]

This is true. :|\\

I have a GUPPY that is about 90% done.

I also have all three towers, the Torsk-like portsmouth sail, the EB sail, and the "Atlantic" sail. I haven't looked at the mod in quite a while, but if the interest is resurging I may release a one-tower candidate.

The bow has been sharpened. its not the standard one.


Yes please lol

[Sledgehammer427]

alright. I'll do a little speculation and see what goes on and I'll resurrect the GUPPY thread I started.

ARRIIIIIISE ZOMBIE THREAD! ARIIIIIISEEEE!!!! BUAHAHAHAHA!

[Anthony W.]

alright. I'll do a little speculation and see what goes on and I'll resurrect the GUPPY thread I started.

ARRIIIIIISE ZOMBIE THREAD! ARIIIIIISEEEE!!!! BUAHAHAHAHA!

Load my imagination with your torpedoes of detail. Must know more - got any pics?

Thanks

[CCIP]

Yup, show us the goods :D