[WIP]: Italian "Barchino" MTM Bomb-Boat

[VonDos]

HI everyone!
I've recently received this idea: create a italian Barchino Bomb Boat;
This was a very strange unit; this is a report with some "use" of MTM Barchino

March 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_25), 1941 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941): The Italian destroyers Crispi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sella_class_destroyer) and Sella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sella_class_destroyer) depart Leros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leros) island in the Aegean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_Sea) at night, each carrying 3 small (2-ton) MTM (Motoscafo da turismo modificato) motor assault boats of the Decima MAS. Each MTM (nicknamed barchini or "little boats") carries a 300 kg (660 lb) explosive charge in its bow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_%28ship%29). The one-pilot craft are launched by the destroyers 10 miles off Suda Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suda_Bay), Crete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete), where several British Royal Navy warships and auxiliary ships are at anchor. The MTMs are specially equipped to make their way through obstacles such as torpedo nets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_nets); the pilot steers the assault craft in a collision course at his target ship, and jumps from his boat before impact and warhead detonation. Once inside the bay, the six boats locate their targets: the heavy cruiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cruiser) HMS York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_York_%2890%29), a large tanker (the Norwegian Pericles of 8,300 tons), another tanker, and a cargo ship. Two MTMs hit the York amidships, flooding her aft boilers and magazines. The Pericles is severely damaged and settles on the bottom, while the other tanker and the cargo ship are sunk. The other barchini apparently miss their intended targets, and one of them is stranded on the beach. All six of the daring Italian sailors are captured. The disabled York is later scuttled with demolition charges by her crew before the German capture of Crete, while the Pericles sinks in May 1941 enroute to Alexandria.
July 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_26), 1941: Two Maiale and ten MAS boats (including six barchini') unsuccessfully attack the port of Valletta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valletta), Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta). The force is detected early on by a British radar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar) installation, but the British hold their fire until the Italians approach to close range. 15 Decima MAS crewmen are killed (including Commander Moccagatta) and 18 captured. Teseo Tesei and Petty Officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_Officer) Alcide Pedretti on one torpedo are killed by gunfire from Fort St. Elmo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_St._Elmo) as they attempt to destroy the outer defenses of the harbor. Lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant) Franco Costa and Sgt. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant) Luigi Barla on the other torpedo become lost, scuttle their craft and swim ashore at St. George's Bay two miles NW of Valletta; their Maiale is recovered by the British, the first example they have examined. All 6 MTMs, both SLCs and two MAS boats are lost. This disaster forces the unit to make a huge reassessment of its operations, and Commander Borghese (now leader of the sub-surface weapons group) is named as the interim commander of the Decima MAS.
FROM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_Flottiglia_MAS


NOW, After the history, the images:

http://i16.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/b9/2a/c4f2_1_sbl.JPG

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9026/bugzn9.jpg

So, what do you think about this? :up: :down: :up: :down: :roll:

This is just a modified, scaled and lightly reworked elco ^_^

[bigboywooly]

Very cool Von D
:up:
Nice looking model

[Sulikate]

Looks nice :arrgh!:

[Sag75]

good!!

[Tuddley3]

If I volunteer to drive one of these, what do I get for Hazard Pay:rotfl: That's scary as hell. But nice work.

[Venatore]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7756/barchinobc9.jpgSo, what do you think about this?

VonDos,

If it was around during 1939-1945, then why not add it :hmm:

[Shakatan]

Look great :)
Here you can find about 40 hi-res pictures of that boat: http://www.primeportal.net/naval/gaetano_pisano/mtm_barchino_esplosivo/index.php?Page=1

:up:

Is in SH3 any limaitation of new ship number or we can add an endless amount of new models ?

[coronas]

Great idea! Looks fine!:up:

[VonDos]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9319/barchinont0.jpg

A small Barchino try to sink giant SS Normandie liner :hmm:

[Alpino]

Great Job, Von Dos! The Regia Marina's MTM finally has a representative model. Do you think possible makes it explosive? I should like much.

Congratulation.

[bigboywooly]

Welcome aboard Alpino

Wonder if you gave it the qualities of an escort if it would ran ships ?

THEN make it explosive
BOOM

Did they actually use these ? to blow stuff up
Any links VonD

[A6Intruder]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9319/barchinont0.jpg

A small Barchino try to sink giant SS Normandie liner :hmm:


Really nice but please: WITHOUT flag!!:rock:
Kind regards

[iambecomelife]

Good job. Is there any way to make it explode?

[Hunter]

How about removing or hiding flag into the haul?

[Letum]

Good job. Is there any way to make it explode?

Getting it just to collide would be vert tough.

[FloydRoses]

Ben Fatto uomorana!!Campioni del modo :up: ALEEEEOOOOOO'.PO.po.po.po.po.poooo.po!.:rock:
For all stranger usre, Well done mate!

[VonDos]

:rotfl: :D :rotfl:

Thanks!
BTW there are problems with explosive MTM:

1) AI is coded for forbid collision; so if Barchino can explode only with a collision... :damn:

2) How give it explosive capabiliy? :hmm:

3) MTM's pilot wasn't suicide, so how to make a "jumping" pilot, who escape before ship's explosion?

I'm making the 3d model with skin, but for now i can't answer.

If someone can, please speak :yep:

[bigboywooly]

AI Avoidance is usually only for merchants and your own warships

Enemy warships do try to ram you
Dont they ?
lol

[VonDos]

They ram you, yes (DD, CO, FF...), but they also ram other enemy ship or warship? :hmm:

If yes, what kind of ship can do that? :o

[Alpino]

This high speed assault launch was employed mostly to attack warship (destroyer and cruiser) and tanker.
A "Barchino" carry a high explosive charge (300 kg of trinitrotoluene-TNT), as a torpedo.
Maybe is possible to use modify Minefield file, for impact explosion.
Can you use ships and port as MTM's bases?
Historical employ only in the Mediterranean theatre.
MTM don't carry flag.

[VonDos]

Flag cutted; it was too big, and not historic :nope:

I've modify the ELCO torperdoes (now are 1\2 long than before) and i've put them into MTM hull. If hitted by shells now there is a nice BOOM :arrgh!:

But in every tests i've done, MTM can't ram anything.:down:

Any idea?

[denis_469]

Flag cutted; it was too big, and not historic :nope:

I've modify the ELCO torperdoes (now are 1\2 long than before) and i've put them into MTM hull. If hitted by shells now there is a nice BOOM :arrgh!:

But in every tests i've done, MTM can't ram anything.:down:

Any idea?

Probably you can made homing selfcoming from acoustik torpedo and boat, apparantly, would be like surface homing torpedo.

[VonDos]

Probably you can made homing selfcoming from acoustik torpedo and boat, apparantly, would be like surface homing torpedo.

This can be very thrue, but :hmm: how to do this?

[denis_469]

Probably you can made homing selfcoming from acoustik torpedo and boat, apparantly, would be like surface homing torpedo.

This can be very thrue, but :hmm: how to do this?

I think (think only) that need find homing script in weapons file and cut from and integrating into you boat.
And for catapult pilot craft - may be you can made animated pilot craft with catapult in ... meters from target. But it's my thinks only. You question is hard...:oops:

What do you think about my thinks?

[Madox58]

I can invision a possable way to do this.
:hmm:
You create a new gun.
it fires a new shell.
Splash effect spawns a modded Homing torp that is the custom MTM.
:yep:

[bigboywooly]

I can invision a possable way to do this.
:hmm:
You create a new gun.
it fires a new shell.
Splash effect spawns a modded Homing torp that is the custom MTM.
:yep:

Possible
Only problem I can see is the gun will have to be on a unit
Homers always go for the loudest unit which will probably be the one the guns on
LMAO

How were these MTM used ?
Harbour raids ?
Travel in packs looking for targets ?

What ?

The gun has to be on something right - possibly a DD\escort ship
Depends how they were used
Maybe the Walter top is a good one to use
No homing and fast but if the gun mounted on a DD or such ship then the boat will run true, as a shell would ,to impact as the gun would track the target anyway

:hmm:

Just thinking out loud

[Madox58]

Like you said BBW,
thinking out loud.

It depends on how and where they launched from,
as how to deploy them.

Also, once the unit is spawned,
it will head North or off on a quadrent from the gun aim.
(As ALL torpedos spawned this way do)

So it must be modded with a longer detection range
and spawn outside of player visual range to appear realistic.

[Maraz]

Looks like the modeled MTM is too big, the real one was really very small.
Good job anyway!!

Maraz

[VonDos]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6104/barchinodt4.jpg

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

[Maraz]

Look how small was an MTM...

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/mtm/images/mtm1.jpg

http://www.smc-noris.de/mtm01.jpg

Maraz

[Bismarck]

Looking good :arrgh!:

[VonDos]

Totally reworked, now is really small! Maybe the smallest single unit?

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9026/bugzn9.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Looking good mate http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[VonDos]

Thanks, Jim!