A polite request to the moderators...

[ryanwigginton]

Seeing as we already have a U-Boat missions child forum, could we possibly have a U-Boat Missions mods workshop? It would save stock SH4 players from sifting through the various UBM only projects and perhaps save any confusion for newbies.

[ryanwigginton]

97 reads and no reply, comments, thoughts, support or rejections?... :hmm:

Come on mods, don't give me the silent treatment!

[DrBeast]

THis topic has been discussed before, and repeatedly. General concensus it, things stay as they are.

ETA: better a silent threatment than a "USE THE ^%^$#%&^%!!! SEARCH!!" treatment from some of our uuuh short-fused members ;) And this is said in a humorous way, so keep your swords in your scabbard, people! :D

[ryanwigginton]

ETA: better a silent threatment than a "USE THE ^%^$#%&^%!!! SEARCH!!" treatment from some of our uuuh short-fused members

Yeah, I hate it when that happens. To be fair, I'm not playing at the moment but I checked back to see how the big bad mods were fairing in the hope that one day I can apply a finalized TMO, NSM, RSRD and one of the environmental mods to my 1.4 and just... play. I swear I spend more hours in JSGME than in SH4.

[swdw]

The other side of this is, what do you do with the mods that affect BOTH fleet boats and u-boats?

Instead of clearing things up, you just added another layer to confuse people.

Seems better to leave it as it is.

Just do an advanced search using [REL], limit it to the SH4Mod workshop and UBM child thread and you'll have a list of all released mods (providing the modders are following the convention used here- which if they haven't- yell at THEM for making things difficult to find. They can always ask a moderator to add the tag to the thread title.

Same thing if you want to see what's being worked on- search the same forums using [WIP]

[DrBeast]

Well, to be brutally honest, they're more often right than wrong when they give someone that treatment (I'm not referring to you) ;)
I'm afraid all of those mods you mentioned have moved on to 1.5 (except NSM, but that one will surely follow as well). If I actually get the add-on it will be because of those outstanding mods and their creators; check lurker's incredible Operation Monsoon, for example. That mod alone is a HUGE temptation that might possibly tear down my objections to getting the add-on! :yep: Still, it won't change the fact that I'm bummed that Ubi didn't release a stand-alone patch for the game, but forces you to get the add-on. :nope:

[ryanwigginton]

The other side of this then is what do you do with the mods that affect BOTH fleet boats and u-boats?

How many mods do you know that affect U-Boats that are also compatible with stock 1.4? I'd say the mods that affect both could safely be put in the UBM section.

[swdw]

The other side of this then is what do you do with the mods that affect BOTH fleet boats and u-boats?
How many mods do you know that affect U-Boats that are also compatible with stock 1.4? I'd say the mods that affect both could safely be put in the UBM section.
Now why would a mod that is a MAJOR overhaul of the fleet boats AND u-boats want to post solely in the UBM thread:hmm:? I know. Let's just delete the SH4 mod workshop and put everything in a UBM workshop as obviously no one must be playing with fleet boats anymore.:lol:

Honestly some of the UBM guys seem to think UBM should now be THE focus of the game. :roll: (biting tongue very hard)
Lessee there are HOW many fleet boats in the game compared to u-boats?

I gave people an EASY way to track the mods. So why not just use that instead of messing with the forum?

[DrBeast]

Now why would a mod that is a MAJOR overhaul of the fleet boats AND u-boats want to post solely in the UBM thread:hmm:? I know. Let's just delete the SH4 mod workshop and put everything in a UBM workshop as obviously no one must be playing with fleet boats anymore.:lol:

Honestly some of the UBM guys seem to think UBM should now be THE focus of the game. :roll: (biting tongue very hard)
Lessee there are HOW many fleet boats in the game compared to u-boats?

I gave people an EASY way to track the mods. So why not just use that instead of messing with the forum?

I think you got this wrong, swdw. Ryan, like me, is one of the select few (?) who don't have the add-on, are not interested in the add-on, and are still looking for 1.4-only mods. Quite the contrary of what you just stated ;)

[JREX53]

The other side of this then is what do you do with the mods that affect BOTH fleet boats and u-boats?
How many mods do you know that affect U-Boats that are also compatible with stock 1.4? I'd say the mods that affect both could safely be put in the UBM section.

Ryan,
There are no U-Boats in 1.4. They come with the Addon & patch 1.5.
so NO mods affect U-Boats in 1.4.

[ryanwigginton]

The other side of this then is what do you do with the mods that affect BOTH fleet boats and u-boats?
How many mods do you know that affect U-Boats that are also compatible with stock 1.4? I'd say the mods that affect both could safely be put in the UBM section.
Ryan,
There are no U-Boats in 1.4. They come with the Addon & patch 1.5.
so NO mods affect U-Boats in 1.4.
lol, Rex... I know this. I was simply trying to say that mods that affect both U-Boats and US Fleet boats (ie 1.5) are never ALSO compatible with stock 1.4 and thus could be pooled together away from the stock 1.4 stuff.

I think you got this wrong, swdw. Ryan, like me, is one of the select few (?) who don't have the add-on, are not interested in the add-on, and are still looking for 1.4-only mods. Quite the contrary of what you just stated ;)
...you understand me well. :) It would take a lot...

[DrBeast]

I think you got this wrong, swdw. Ryan, like me, is one of the select few (?) who don't have the add-on, are not interested in the add-on, and are still looking for 1.4-only mods. Quite the contrary of what you just stated ;)
...you understand me well. :) It would take a lot...

Well, Operation: Monsoon is a battering ram capable of bringing down even the strongest gates, and I can feel my resistances lowered every time I see that thread. Add to that an assortment of goodies Ducimus has added to TMaru and some really sweet stuff I've seen being added to RFB, and soon this castle will have fallen! :lol:

[AVGWarhawk]

One thing you have to understand Ryan is the add on also provided new things for the fleet boats. New textures, more stable game, some other odds and ends. I do not play the uboat either. I'm to busy working up the fleets with mods and making a day of it. Eventually, all the modders will have the add on if they do not already. The road for SH4 seems to be having the add on. As far as a different thread for the uboats only, this has been discussed and the decision to leave them melded together was made. Welcome to the big happy family of submersible lovers. Modders always create README's and post with [REL] uboat or fleet boat.

DrBeast....you are going to keep yourself from MO created by Lurker because of $10.00? That is 2 six packs of really cheap beer. Come on, buy the add on, enjoy the new material for uboats and fleets. Go get Lurkers FREE mod. You only go around once! Make it a good one!

[JScones]

....you are going to keep yourself from MO created by Lurker because of $10.00? That is 2 six packs of really cheap beer.
:o :o :o I'm in the wrong country!

[ryanwigginton]

....you are going to keep yourself from MO created by Lurker because of $10.00? That is 2 six packs of really cheap beer. :o :o :o I'm in the wrong country!

Yeh, right!! I seen on the news the other day Americans complaining that it cost them more than $50 to fill up... it cost me more than £50 to fill up! (ie $100)

@AVGWarhawk -damn you, you're twisting my arm! :stare:

[kylesplanet]

I bought the add-on the day it was released but have never installed it. I was waiting on the mods to catch up and during that time, I tried RFB and now I'm completely addicted to it so I'm waiting on the 1.5 version.

Thank you RFB Team and Ducimus for keeping the fleetboats in focus, it really means alot to me.:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

....you are going to keep yourself from MO created by Lurker because of $10.00? That is 2 six packs of really cheap beer. :o :o :o I'm in the wrong country!

Yeh, right!! I seen on the news the other day Americans complaining that it cost them more than $50 to fill up... it cost me more than £50 to fill up! (ie $100)

@AVGWarhawk -damn you, you're twisting my arm! :stare:


Ryan, to fill my Lincoln that holds 20 gallons and I have to run high test because it is a 4.6 V8 with a bit higher compression costs $75.00. Ouch! I pass everything with my V8 except gas stations:rotfl: Anyway, lets look at this way, you buy the cheap beer for $10.00. You drink it in 2-3 hours then you piss it away. That's it. All you have to show for it is a headache and several trips to the bathroom. Now, for $10.00 purchase of the add-on, you will have years of enjoyment. The math is in the favor of the add-on and your liver will thank you for not drinking the beer. :D Simply put, for $10.00 it will probably be the best investment for the year. The returns on it are limitless.

[AVGWarhawk]

I bought the add-on the day it was released but have never installed it. I was waiting on the mods to catch up and during that time, I tried RFB and now I'm completely addicted to it so I'm waiting on the 1.5 version.

Thank you RFB Team and Ducimus for keeping the fleetboats in focus, it really means alot to me.:up:

RFB 1.5 will be out very soon:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

....you are going to keep yourself from MO created by Lurker because of $10.00? That is 2 six packs of really cheap beer.
:o :o :o I'm in the wrong country!

You might be! A six pack of Schafer beer runs about $4.50 US. Thing is, it taste like $4.50 beer:shifty:

[Xantrokoles]

LOL. By the way, the 10$ download addon is only available in US/Canada. I paid mine 15£/30$/19€ from the cheapest online shop I could find ( game.co.uk ) :o

I had access to a recording from an Ubisoft marketing session :

-Ok guys, the add-on is half finished, time for release right ?

-Yeah, so, how much do we price that ?

-The guys on Subsim await that one like teenagers await George Clooney on the Champs Elysées, let's go for 30 bucks !

-Sounds good, right, 30$ !

-Wait wait wait guys, did you see that guy Ducimus and some other fellows ? There's no way they will pay 30$ for that !

-Yeah, they're americans you know, they don't give a crap about u-boats, what about u-boats

-Allright, the add-on has a few mb of fleet boat data, right ? I'm sure they'll spit some money for that !

-Ok, what about a fair price, say 10 bucks for the US, and we keep it 30 for those fancy europeans wearing kriegsmarine hats and stuff ?

-Deal !

:rotfl:

[ryanwigginton]

...and we keep it 30 for those fancy europeans wearing kriegsmarine hats and stuff ?

:rotfl:

[DrBeast]

I'd be happy if I could find the add-on for less than 25 Euro here in Greece :nope:
Apparently, we're still not part of the EU, as some would like us to believe...

[LukeFF]

And another thread gets derailed...

[ryanwigginton]

And another thread gets derailed...

And you my friend, have just extended that derailment one post further... :yep:

[skwasjer]

fwiw, I got the add-on (DVD) from Ubi's own shop for 10 GBP + 2 GBP shipping... (~ 15 euros) Although it doesn't seem to be available right now (their site seems to be throwing errors by the dozens at me atm)

[THE_MASK]

$30 at EB games carindale brisbane .

[Ducimus]

Im going to be the black sheep and say that i think that the uboat mission addon should get its own forum.

Two main reasons:

1.) Uboat mission add on means hardcore SH3 uboat players, the mod culture for SH3 is entirely different, and not compatible with SH4's mod culture. They are exact opposites, and clash's are inevitable. You may as well put two badgers together in a burlap sack.


2.) To maintain theater focus. This is bennifical for both the ATO and PTO. Personally, i dont want to have to sift through alot of uboat crap when all i want is fleetboat stuff, and im sure their is a similar sentiment from uboat fans. If you make a mod that effects both , then post in boths forum. Although ill wager that most mods have a primary focus, and MAYBE a secondary focus, if any secondary focus at all.

Seriously, i think its time to for forum management to pull their heads out of the sand, acknowledge that there is a difference between these two theaters, and the fan culture of both don't always see eye to eye. Best to keep them in their own respective corners.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Im going to be the black sheep and say that i think that the uboat mission addon should get its own forum.

Two main reasons:

1.) Uboat mission add on means hardcore SH3 uboat players, the mod culture for SH3 is entirely different, and not compatible with SH4's mod culture. They are exact opposites, and clash's are inevitable. You may as well put two badgers together in a burlap sack.


2.) To maintain theater focus. This is bennifical for both the ATO and PTO. Personally, i dont want to have to sift through alot of uboat crap when all i want is fleetboat stuff, and im sure their is a similar sentiment from uboat fans. If you make a mod that effects both , then post in boths forum. Although ill wager that most mods have a primary focus, and MAYBE a secondary focus, if any secondary focus at all.

Seriously, i think its time to for forum management to pull their heads out of the sand, acknowledge that there is a difference between these two theaters, and the fan culture of both don't always see eye to eye. Best to keep them in their own respective corners.

First off, it is not necessary to see eye to eye on anything. Subsim is, and has been for as long as I've been associated with it... a global community.

<repeating for the umpteetn... gajillionth time>

U-boat players have no interest in prying fleet boat players from their rides... and of course the opposite is true as well. Individuals simply enjoy what they enjoy. There really isn't any changing that.

I certainly don't feel that the forum administrator had his "head in the sand" when he made the decision to have a unified mod workshop for the SH4 platform.

That decision ensures that diversity (and progress) is allowed to live.

The point is moot anyway now, as the decision has already been made.

Things will evolve as they should whether or not any particular individual takes issue with the current format.

There have always been "clashes" and unfortunately there will be more on occasion. That is forum life. Segregating modders by interest would be more damaging to logical modding progress than any "clash" anyway.

Maintaining a "theater focus" is a simple matter anyway via use of simple thread title tag-lines...

"FB" = Fleet Boats
"UB" = U-boats

... or something equally simple.

It ain't hard. The ocean really is big enough.:lol:

[McBeck]

OK guys...

Take this discussion OFFLINE...its not for public display!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Cool signature, McBeck.:up:

"I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull****!"

[The General]

OK guys...

Take this discussion OFFLINE...its not for public display!I think it's a little too late for that! Besides, this is awesome stuff :up:

I think you two guys, Kpt. Lehmann and Ducimus are very talented Mod-Makers and I was hoping that one day you'd combine your talents and help improve subsims for everyone. I guess independent competiton would be another way to achieve this though.

Just know that this community reveres you both and we can't afford to lose either of you.

[ryanwigginton]

LOL... Did I just start the most heated thread on SubSim or what? :rock:

I would like to say Ducimus, you write with a lot of conviction and balls, and are always entertaining to read. Thank's for backing my original post, though that seems to have firmly taken a back seat now.

The Generals right and I hope the thread won't be closed as censorship of people's thoughts is never a good thing. I would say 'I hope you two can work this out' but it's obviously far past that stage and the roots are deep.

[McBeck]

Sorry guys but this is not the Ricky Lake show or whatever is being showed today as public internal fights.....(Damn I'm old)

I'm gonna keep an eye on this thread - If this starts again, I'm gonna land on it as hard as a Sumo wrestler ;)

[DrBeast]

LOL... Did I just start the most heated thread on SubSim or what? :rock:

Heh...compared to other debates I've seen in other forums pertaining to other games, this one was just kindergarten stuff :rotfl: I'm not complaining though, I was getting sick and tired of that, to the point I stopped enjoying and, finally, playing the game involved. This place is, to use a phrase by Douglas Adams, "mostly harmless", and that's why I like it so much. Now, if a fight breaks out every now and then, we're only human. At least you don't get to hear cheers of "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" in the background, by the very forum owner (yes, I've seen that happen too in one of the forums I was referring to) :p

I'm gonna keep an eye on this thread - If this starts again, I'm gonna land on it as hard as a Sumo wrestler ;)
Danish sumo-wrestling. Now that would be a sight for sore eyes! :rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

As far as a different thread for the uboats only, this has been discussed and the decision to leave them melded together was made. Welcome to the big happy family of submersible lovers. Modders always create README's and post with [REL] uboat or fleet boat

From AVG ^^^^ earlier in this thread folks :D The idea of a separate Mod Forum for the U-Boats has been discussed and a decision has been made. At the end of the day if folks label their thread's properly, things should be ok here.

If it is a thread that has absolutely no interest for you, don't read it, move on and enjoy the rest of your day :yep:


RDP

[DrBeast]

If it is a thread that has absolutely no interest for you, don't read it, move on and enjoy the rest of your day :yep:


RDP

Hey...I'm staying for the danish sumo-wrestling! :lol:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Hey...I'm staying for the danish sumo-wrestling! :lol:

Your scaring me Beast :yep::eek::eek: ^^^

Hey wait a minute, maybe Neal can arrange this at the SUBSIM Meeting later this
year :lol::lol:


RDP

[Gezoes]

I think it's a great idea! Not because SH3 and SH4 fans are so different, because we're not. We all like subs, period. I think it's a good idea because SH4 in itself has nothing to do with U-boat's, as it's the American side, and vice versa.

Now. Uboat mods will mix in with the normal discussion in the U-boat forum or mix in with the 'American' SH4 mods. That can be quite confusing, think a year from now, when the Atlantic theatre mods may be in full swing?

It doesn't have to be a seperate one like we have now for SH3 or SH4 mods, may I suggest something like this:

As an example: http://www.realitymod.com/forum/

Especially the subforums under Ingame strategies and Community Modding... I find this a very good way to arrange smaller subforums.

[Jimbuna]

As far as a different thread for the uboats only, this has been discussed and the decision to leave them melded together was made. Welcome to the big happy family of submersible lovers. Modders always create README's and post with [REL] uboat or fleet boat

From AVG ^^^^ earlier in this thread folks :D The idea of a separate Mod Forum for the U-Boats has been discussed and a decision has been made. At the end of the day if folks label their thread's properly, things should be ok here.

If it is a thread that has absolutely no interest for you, don't read it, move on and enjoy the rest of your day :yep:


RDP

Precisely....for the sake of the subsimming community AS A WHOLE let us move on and enhance the gaming experiences of everyone http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't like the Pacific theater, I don't like the Atlantic theater neither, would it be possible to make a third separate forum "SH4 coastal theaters mod workshop" ? :D

By the way, if I read right, the original post was rather about separate 1.4 and 1.5 mods forum, which is very different than separating u-boat from fleet boats mods :hmm:

It looks to me the OP is looking to have fleets and uboats separate. Again, it has been discussed with Neal and the forums for SH4 modding will remain as one. As far as members having to sift through for each theater attempting to find mods, sorry to hear that. Moderators are to moderater, not make nice neat collections of mods for each theater and presented you in a Power Point form for your ease in finding mods. We attempt to keep up with it all and create such threads but the mods get churned out faster than we can keep up. Furthermore, if we were to attempt to keep up with it all it is darn near impossible when we have to stop and address threads such as this. I posted this a few threads back and RDP quoted again for all to read, "Welcome to the big happy submersible fan club fondly known as Subsim". So, until Neal sees that it might be necessary to have two mod forums for SH4, it will remain as it is. Also, there is no reason that a modder could post in the UBM forum of his/her new mod with a link to the SH4 mod forum where the interested party can locate the download link(same with the fleet boats). Sounds like a pain in the 'A' but most things in life are a pain in the 'A'.


Now everyone play nice or milk and Nilla Wafer time will be cancelled:nope:

[DrBeast]

Now everyone play nice or milk and Nilla Wafer time will be cancelled:nope:

Does that include canceling the aforementioned sumo-wrestling show? :88)
(have I killed the joke already?:lol:)

[McBeck]

Hmmm....do I really have to put on 300 punds for the subsim meet? :hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Don't beat me, I was kidding ! I too find it pointless to separate mod forums for a lot of reasons. If the only argument is to avoid "flame wars" about u-boote vs fleet boats, PTO vs ATO, mod vs mod ... :zzz:
Time to remember it's just a game & a cool hobby :|\\

Now, can I have the milk and wafers back ? please ? :p
Yes, your milk and wafers are by the TV. The mod wars and flame wars are getting very tiresome. The pokes here and there between some members continues to persist. The old wound is opened and salt poured. To top it off, the salt is rubbed in for effect. What needs to stop is idea that "my mod is better then your mod" and that some members refuse to see the vast aray of modders we have here but persist to shop the mod forums with blinders on. I have been suspect of the blinders issue as well so people in glass house need not throw stones. As far as having two separate forums to help prevent the bickering ( and that is all it is) does not work as evident when SH3 was separate with SH4. There are many commando raids between each forum and both forums are guilty of the commando raids. Nothing like dropping a dime and then running back to each respective forum. It is all senseless waste of time and energy, not only for the moderators, but also the other members who have to sift through the dribble to get what they are looking for.

[Onkel Neal]

Seeing as we already have a U-Boat missions child forum, could we possibly have a U-Boat Missions mods workshop? It would save stock SH4 players from sifting through the various UBM only projects and perhaps save any confusion for newbies.

Sorry, didn't see this until now. We already have a forum for SH4 mods, there's plenty of room for SH4 & SH4 U-boat mods. One thing we have to guard against is overpopulating the board with more and more forums. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

[claybirdd]

It is all senseless waste of time and energy, not only for the moderators, but also the other members who have to sift through the dribble to get what they are looking for


Amen Brother

[Jimbuna]

Hmmm....do I really have to put on 300 punds for the subsim meet? :hmm:

In my case that would make me 552 lbs http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif

I may be in need of one of these

http://www.abfnet.com/forum/images/smilies/waaaaaaa.jpg

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