Great Lakes Freighters

[Yorktown_Class]

Hi all,

I noticed that there are Great Lakes Freighters in SH3,not sure if it is part of GWX or the stock game,I am wondering if GLFs were actually in Europe during WW2 or in the Pacific for that matter,or are these ships just added to the game.I can't find any info on any of these ships in the Atlantic,if anyone has any info on this,I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you...

[Yorktown_Class]

This is the ship I am talking about.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc201/Dave3581/SH3Img31-3-2008_11034_875.jpg

[GoldenRivet]

personally, i dont have a difinitive answer for you.

BUT

i do know that the ships were added as a result of GWX.

I also know that the GWX modding team did hundreds of man hours of research into the war in the atlantic and WW2 in general for each bit of content they elected to include in the mod

IIRC... pretty much every boat that was able to float was put into service.

someone will come along with a 100% answer... but i have a feeling the great lakes freighters were used in the atlantic.

[rod_oil]

Quote from GWX manual (page 425):

Great Lakes Freighter
Historical background

Great Lakes freighters or “lakers” ranging from a 1,000 to over 10,000 GRT have hauled bulk cargo
such as iron ore, lumber, limestone, grain, salt, coal, cement, sand, slag, and potash through the North
American Great Lakes since the 19th century. These boats do not experience saltwater corrosion and can
have careers spanning decades; however, several were lost during World War II after the British
government requisitioned Canadian lakers to move bulk cargo on the high seas.
The Chicago Tribune newspaper used the MV Chicago Tribune to carry pulpwood from sawmills in the
upper Lakes to an Ontario paper mill to make newsprint; the Luftwaffe sank her in the English Channel
on June 18, 1940 while she was hauling Welsh coal to France.865
Figure 485: Great Lakes freighter M/V Chicago Tribune on the way to the Tribune’s paper mill (1930)866
The Great Lakes freighter in GWX
The Great Lakes freighter in GWX is a generic representation of the Great Lakes freighters called into
service on the world’s oceans. It will randomly sailing alone and as called for by the campaign scripting.
Figure 486: Great Lakes freighter in GWX

865 “The Quebec and Ontario Transportation Company, Ltd,” The Scanner, Vol III, No. 4, January 1971.
http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Documents/Scanner/03/04/default.asp?ID=c007
866 Archives of Ontario # C 7-2-0-7-62, http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/exhibits/paper/1900s.htm

[GoldenRivet]

There you have it... as a devout reader of the book of GWX i should have at least thought to check the manual! :rotfl:

[danlisa]

LOL

Das Buch has the answers again.:lol:

Not just a game manual but a history lesson.

[Jimbuna]

Pity I'm not on home pc......definite need for some of the custom RTFM smilies :lol: ;)

[geosub1978]

Check these for example:

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/3460.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2116.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1693.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1358.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2127.html

[rod_oil]

Not just a game manual but a history lesson.

:rotfl: Not only history lesson but a lot of more! :rotfl:

Soon! In CINEMAS! Watch!

Indiana Jones and GWX manual

[von stauber]

boom ! you get a straightforward, detailed, documented answer

it gets better everyday- and I am glad to be a part (very small part) of it!:rock:

[geosub1978]

straightforward, detailed, documented
This is how submarines are driven!

[Koondawg]

Jimbo u teaser u...always an excuse...:hmm:

[Yorktown_Class]

Thanks guys very much,as a person living in Michigan,I have a fondness for the Great Lakes Freighter,been around them all my life,but I had no idea they sailed the Atlantic.
I concider myself a history buff,and thought I knew a lot about WW2,but you guys got me beat 10 fold.This is why I love this sim,you notice I don't call it a game,I like factual events,and GWX does that.
When I looked through the scope and saw it,I thought NO WAY,it was a shame to sink her:cry:

Thank you for the links too:up:

You guys ROCK...Thank You:D

[Syxx_Killer]

As another Michigander who loves the Great Lakes freighter, I was so happy to see the ship included with GWX. I never saw one in a patrol, but if I did I wouldn't have been able to sink her. Great Lakes freighters just look too... elegant to do that. I'll send a traditional styled bulk carrier to the bottom no problem. :arrgh!:

Come to think of it, I think the Deep Sea Detectives dove on a wreck of a Laker that was sunk in the Gulf of Mexico or something. I only saw the episode once and that was quite a while ago. I wish that show was still on. :cry:

[Jimbuna]

Jimbo u teaser u...always an excuse...:hmm:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/138/b1oq3.gif http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9995/b2xq7.gif http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1626/b3kz0.gif

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7975/gigglebigtb9fg3.gif

[Yorktown_Class]

As another Michigander who loves the Great Lakes freighter, I was so happy to see the ship included with GWX. I never saw one in a patrol, but if I did I wouldn't have been able to sink her. Great Lakes freighters just look too... elegant to do that. I'll send a traditional styled bulk carrier to the bottom no problem. :arrgh!:

Come to think of it, I think the Deep Sea Detectives dove on a wreck of a Laker that was sunk in the Gulf of Mexico or something. I only saw the episode once and that was quite a while ago. I wish that show was still on. :cry:

Nice to see a fellow Michganian on here:up:

It was hard to sink one,had lump in my throat..Also it took 2 torpedoes and deck gun fire to sink her.she didn't go down easy..

[iambecomelife]

Out of curiosity - does anyone know if the larger lakers of 400-500 feet ever traded on the Atlantic during the war? Or were only the smaller ships able to reach the ocean? I have never been able to get a satisfactory answer to this.

[geosub1978]

This one looks like some 800feet long!

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1608.html

Yet...I don't think so think according to the tonnage!

[denis_469]

And more US Lake class ships (not in GWX) in soviet merchant fleet:
http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f296.html
In this page - Kamchadal (ex-Lake Fensdel)

Other ships in USSR merchant fleet:
Buryat (ex-Lake Fraley) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f133.html
Kamchatneft (ex-Kommercial Alabama) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f298.html
Mongol (ex-Lake Fablus) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f477.html
Moskalvo (ex-Sakhalinneft, ex-Kommercial Orlinian) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f481.html
Turkmen (ex-Lake Ferrona) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f727.html
Chukcha (ex-Lake Fendom) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f791.html

Chukcha was sunk by american submarine "SS-139" 31.05.1943.

[Bismarck]

Lakers are one of my favourite merchant ships, they have a slender unique design and sinking it wouldn't be right. http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/g/green-beret-emoticon.gif

[Yorktown_Class]

And more US Lake class ships (not in GWX) in soviet merchant fleet:
http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f296.html
In this page - Kamchadal (ex-Lake Fensdel)

Other ships in USSR merchant fleet:
Buryat (ex-Lake Fraley) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f133.html
Kamchatneft (ex-Kommercial Alabama) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f298.html
Mongol (ex-Lake Fablus) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f477.html
Moskalvo (ex-Sakhalinneft, ex-Kommercial Orlinian) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f481.html
Turkmen (ex-Lake Ferrona) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f727.html
Chukcha (ex-Lake Fendom) http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f791.html

Chukcha was sunk by american submarine "SS-139" 31.05.1943.

Thank you sir for this info,greatly appreciated:up:

[XLjedi]

Just too bad we can't have a base on Lake Michigan...

[Syxx_Killer]

If anyone is interested in shipping on the Lakes, here is one of the best (if not the best) site about them. Every ship currently sailing and some that have been decomissioned, is listed. There is even a link to some live Soo Locks webcams!

http://www.boatnerd.com/default.htm

Here is a Great Lakes ship that definitely has a rich history.

http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/leeatregurtha.htm
(http://www.boatnerd.com/default.htm)

[Jimbuna]

Good site to some fascinating ships :up: