periscope to slow

[mind_ctrl]

hi, does anyone knows how to increase the periscope up and down speed? during the WW2 is was way faster, now I have to wait to long to see the sunk...

I god s3d and minitweaker.

thnx

[Sailor Steve]

"Way faster"? How fast was it? Are there recorded numbers?

[jimbob]

I think those are in Sensors_sub_US.sim file for fleetboats
Attack periscope node 11 and there's the ext_time,
that's probably the extension time.
Obs.Peri. is at node 17.

For uBoatz, Senzori_UBoot.sim,
Attack Peri. at node 31
and Obs.Peri at node 33

Used teh tool --> S3D (http://sh4.skwas.net/).

No I didn't test it right now, but I remember hassling with those values sometime ago.

:arrgh!:

[LukeFF]

"Way faster"? How fast was it? Are there recorded numbers?

Just someone's unsubstantiated opinion, Steve. People must have ADD if they can't wait 10 seconds for a periscope to come to full extension to see the sunk. :p

[Overboard]

Id like to know this aswell.

[mind_ctrl]

has anyone seen the movie "we dive at dawn" ??
it shoots out like a rocket! and the point of a scope is to sneak whats up there, and then disappear again. the time the scope is up, is a risk.

but thnx for the help!


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I'v set the speed to 3 instead of 10, and it works perfect!
damn I'm deadly! =D

[Overboard]

"Way faster"? How fast was it? Are there recorded numbers?

Just someone's unsubstantiated opinion, Steve. People must have ADD if they can't wait 10 seconds for a periscope to come to full extension to see the sunk. :p
Just a queston Lukeff (and others) if you can't just answer the posters queston then why do you reply needlessly.

[mind_ctrl]

"Way faster"? How fast was it? Are there recorded numbers?
Just someone's unsubstantiated opinion, Steve. People must have ADD if they can't wait 10 seconds for a periscope to come to full extension to see the sunk. :p Just a queston Lukeff (and others) if you can't just answer the posters queston then why do you reply needlessly.



just to get more posts to look more expert and old.

[theluckyone17]

I wouldn't rely on a movie to determine historical facts. In regards to 'scope speed, any time the crew is waiting on the 'scope to extend is time they have to fill with dialogue, something else to attract the viewer... or it's "dead space".

My way of looking at it: The 'scope has to extend thirty feet or so. It certainly isn't going to do it instantly. The default time is fine. If y'all wanna speed it up, that's fine... but don't claim it's historical.

[mind_ctrl]

I wouldn't rely on a movie to determine historical facts. In regards to 'scope speed, any time the crew is waiting on the 'scope to extend is time they have to fill with dialogue, something else to attract the viewer... or it's "dead space".

My way of looking at it: The 'scope has to extend thirty feet or so. It certainly isn't going to do it instantly. The default time is fine. If y'all wanna speed it up, that's fine... but don't claim it's historical.

good point, but:

in WW2 the scopes weren't electric, but mechanic with contra weights which will make it a lot faster. and the movie was just an example.

and besides... it a freaking game, so only if you'd caught me cheating on a real sub, u can tell me I'm a bi ach XD

[AVGWarhawk]

I wouldn't rely on a movie to determine historical facts. In regards to 'scope speed, any time the crew is waiting on the 'scope to extend is time they have to fill with dialogue, something else to attract the viewer... or it's "dead space".

My way of looking at it: The 'scope has to extend thirty feet or so. It certainly isn't going to do it instantly. The default time is fine. If y'all wanna speed it up, that's fine... but don't claim it's historical.

good point, but:

in WW2 the scopes weren't electric, but mechanic with contra weights which will make it a lot faster. and the movie was just an example.

and besides... it a freaking game, so only if you'd caught me cheating on a real sub, u can tell me I'm a bi ach XD
If I'm not mistaken it was done with a hydralic pump. I also believe the entire assembly is around 2000 pounds. As far as the movies, do not take what you see as how it really was.


Also, the nice way you display swear words needs to stop. If you believe you have arrived at some half baked forum, think again.

[Sailor Steve]

"Way faster"? How fast was it? Are there recorded numbers?
Just someone's unsubstantiated opinion, Steve. People must have ADD if they can't wait 10 seconds for a periscope to come to full extension to see the sunk. :p Just a queston Lukeff (and others) if you can't just answer the posters queston then why do you reply needlessly.



just to get more posts to look more expert and old.
Not at all. You didn't originally refer to the movie, you just said during the WW2 is was way faster
Whenever someone makes a claim of any kind saying that what we are seeing is wrong, I ask for a source. If they weren't faster, you shouldn't be stating it as fact. If they were, and it can be proven, then I want to know because at that point I'm on your side.

Oh, and I may or may not be expert, but I am definitely old.

[Doolittle81]

For what it is worth, here are many sounds recorded of equipment operating in the Pampanito, including a recording of a periscope being raised, then immediately lowered. The recording is not very loud, but it seems to take about 17 seconds going up, 10 seconds coming down.....
The Site:http://hnsa.org/sound/#pampanito
The recording: http://hnsa.org/sound/pampanito/periscope.mp3

Lots of very interesting sound recordings, equipment, engines, etc...lots of sonar sounds, etc, I assume the Sound MODders have long ago found this resource.

[Wilcke]

For what it is worth, here are many sounds recorded of equipment operating in the Pampanito, including a recording of a periscope being raised, then immediately lowered. The recording is not very loud, but it seems to take about 17 seconds going up, 10 seconds coming down.....
The Site:http://hnsa.org/sound/#pampanito
The recording: http://hnsa.org/sound/pampanito/periscope.mp3

Lots of very interesting sound recordings, equipment, engines, etc...lots of sonar sounds, etc, I assume the Sound MODders have long ago found this resource.

Nothing like gravity assist! That is one great site! Now that I have a big pipeline at home its such a treasure trove! Thanks!

[Nisgeis]

I assume the Sound MODders have long ago found this resource.

And movie makers. :lol:

You're right that the periscope in 'We Dive at Dawn' comes faster and goes down much faster than the game periscope, but it's not really applicable, as the film is about a British sub, another Sea Tiger.

I would think that films of a certain era would have been filmed aboard a real sub, with the co-operation of the U.S. Navy and as more and more are de-commisioned, sets have to be made and things guesstimated.

@AVGWarhawk: I'm fairly sure I read somewhere, though didn't make a note of where, that the early installations were suspended from cables either side of the periscope, just above where the handles are and that these were later replaced with a hydraulic raise and lower mechanism for <can't remember reason> safety? I remember thinking at the tiome, that's an awfully large weight to get dropped if the cables snap. If what I read was true, the Torsk being late war would have been fitted initially with hydraulic?

[AVGWarhawk]

@Nesgeis,

I'm certain the Torsk is Hydraulic. The Batfish as well. She is a older boat than Torsk. Perhaps the early S class was the cable and weight set up. Even so, we can not compair what a stage set in Hollywood to what the real speed was of the scope from lock to lock.

[LukeFF]

For what it is worth, here are many sounds recorded of equipment operating in the Pampanito, including a recording of a periscope being raised, then immediately lowered. The recording is not very loud, but it seems to take about 17 seconds going up, 10 seconds coming down.....

Thank you for posting those links. I was going to post a link to that site, but you beat me to it. Ten seconds is entirely reasonable and in fact what the in-game periscopes are currently set to.

[LukeFF]

I'm certain the Torsk is Hydraulic. The Batfish as well. She is a older boat than Torsk. Perhaps the early S class was the cable and weight set up. Even so, we can not compair what a stage set in Hollywood to what the real speed was of the scope from lock to lock.
The Pampanito, commissioned and built in 1943, has hydraulic scopes. I'll have to look and see if I can find anything about why type of scopes the S boats had.

By contrast, German subs until the Type XXI had electrically-operated scopes.

[Doolittle81]

The Pampanito, commissioned and built in 1943, has hydraulic scopes. I'll have to look and see if I can find anything about why type of scopes the S boats had...

Here's what the museum says about the Pampanito... Surprisingly, it was not refitted with hydraulic Periscope until the end of the war..summer 1945!

The use of hydraulic power aboard submarines increased dramatically during the war. Pre-war submarine power requirements to operate equipment were met primarily with electrical and pneumatic systems. Along with constant improvements to the design of submarines during the war there was a constant extension and diversification of the use of hydraulic power. Pampanito's periscopes, for example, were originally operated with electric motors which pulled the scopes up with cables. In the summer of 1945 this system was modified to operate hydraulically. Hydraulic systems had several advantages because they were relatively simple and easy to operate, they were very sensitive and afforded precise controllability, they are self lubricating and they are relatively quiet in operation, which is essential to a submarine.

[Nisgeis]

Thanks for posting that Doolittle. If only I could remember where I read about cables to hydraulic replacements.