need expert advice on wwi German (Prussia) and Austrio-hugary awards and orders

[USS Sea Tiger]

Hi

Working on the two sets of awards for the WWI SHIII version I am working on

for prussia,, would this sequence be corrct

Pour le merit
Order of the black eagle
order of the red eagle
Order of the crown,
Iron cross 1st
Iron cross 2nd
mentioned in dispatches
U-boat war badge

Or Austria

Order of Maria Theresa
Order of Hungary star
order of the iron crown gold star
order of Franz Joseph silver Star
Order of the iron crown Commander
Medal for military merit cross
mentioned in dspatches
Uboat war pin.

Please, if this is not correct fror WWI, let me know as I am far from an expert in this area. I think some of these may not be military awrads but more a royal family award, just not sure.

Any advice is welcomed

thanks in advance

[Pablo]

Hi

Working on the two sets of awards for the WWI SHIII version I am working on

for prussia,, would this sequence be corrct

Pour le merit
Order of the black eagle
order of the red eagle
Order of the crown,
Iron cross 1st
Iron cross 2nd
mentioned in dispatches
U-boat war badge AFAIK The Order of the Black Eagle was awarded to royalty and, occasionally, very high-ranking officers, so I'm not sure that would apply to a U-boat commander. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Black_Eagle

There was a Pour le Mérite with oakleaves, but apparently not even Baron von Richthofen qualified for this award, and only generals and such appeared to be eligible.

There was also a Grand Cross of the Iron Cross, but it was also reserved for the most senior generals: only 5 were awarded during World War I, to the Kaiser, Hindenberg, Ludendorff, Mackensen, and Prince Leopold of Bavaria.

Maybe this order, with more detailed information on different grades of these medals at these links:Order of the Red Eagle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Red_Eagle
Pour le Mérite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pour_le_M%C3%A9rite
Royal House Order of Hohenzollern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Order_of_Hohenzollern
Iron Cross, 1st Class
Iron Cross, 2nd Class
That's all I can think of for now.

Pablo

[yamato9]

Helo Tiger!

Maybe this links will help!?

http://www.theaerodrome.com/medals/

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/austria.htm


Military Order of Maria Theresa (Militär Maria Theresien Orden)
2 Order of Leopold (Leopold Orden)
3 Order of the Iron Crown (Orden der Eisernen-Krone)
4 Military Merit Cross (Militär Verdienstkreuz)
5 Military Merit Medal (Militär Verdienstmedaille)
6 Medal for Bravery (Tapferkeitsmedaille)
7 Karl Troop Cross (Karl Truppenkreuz)
8 Wound Medal (Verwundetenmedaille)

Can´t wait to see WWi on SH3,... and can we after some time expect and playable british K and M class submarines?

[USS Sea Tiger]

Very valuable input and links!!!

[Paul.Saenger]

Hi

Working on the two sets of awards for the WWI SHIII version I am working on

for prussia,, would this sequence be corrct

Pour le merit
Order of the black eagle
order of the red eagle
Order of the crown,
Iron cross 1st
Iron cross 2nd
mentioned in dispatches
U-boat war badge
Allright, I'll try to answer Prussia first.

There was no decoration for being mentioned in dispatches.

However, it was considered a special honour to receive an autographed photo of the Kaiser or a handwritten letter of commendation.

As Pablo already said, the order of the black eagle (which takes precedence even over the pour le merite) was rarely awarded to non-royalty.

You have also missed the House Order of Hohenzollern, which was given out below the crown order but above the iron cross 1st class.

So the correct order should be:

Order of the black eagle (if you want to include it)
Pour le mérite
Order of the red eagle
Handwritten letter of commendation by the Kaiser
Order of the crown
House order of Hohenzollern
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Iron cross 1st class
Iron cross 2nd class
Letter of commendation from Tirpitz/Scheer or any other admiral
uboot-war badge

I am going to end this post here as I am writing from a wireless connection. More on Prussia later.

[Paul.Saenger]

Okay, continued.

First of all, there were different classes of the orders. Most of the prussian order had six classes.

Order of the red eagle:
Grand Cross - Grand Cross badge worn on a collar (chain) or on a sash on the right shoulder, plus a breast star on the left chest;
1st Class - badge worn on a sash on the right shoulder, plus a breast star on the left chest;
2nd Class - badge worn on a neck ribbon, plus a breast star on the left chest;
3rd Class - badge worn on a ribbon on the left chest;
4th Class - badge worn on a ribbon on the left chest;
Medal - medal worn on a ribbon on the left chest.Note that Recipients of the Order of the black eagle automatically were awarded the grand cross of the red eagle as well.

Furthermore, in wartime awards, swords could be added for further distinction.

Order of the crown
Grand Cross - wore the Grand Cross badge on a sash on the right shoulder, plus the star on the left chest;
1st Class - wore the badge on a sash on the right shoulder, plus the star on the left chest;
2nd Class - wore the badge on a necklet, plus the star on the left chest;
3rd Class - wore the badge on a ribbon on the left chest;
4th Class - wore the badge on a ribbon on the left chest;
Medal - wore the medal on a ribbon on the left chestThe order of the crown could also be awarded with swords and oak leaves in wartime for even more distinction.




Within the House order of Hohenzollern, there were two distinctions. First, there was the princely and the royal branch . I would suggest not focusing on the princely branch, since it was given out mostly to soldiers, not members of the navy.

Within the royal branch, there were three different classes available for officers:
Grand Commander (Großkomtur)
Commander (Komtur)
Knight (Ritter)In wartime, they could also be awarded with swords. The most usual award, the Knight's Cross with swords, was usually awarded for deeds between an Iron cross first class and the pour le mérite.

[Paul.Saenger]

Okay, this will be the semi-final post about orders and decorations of the Kingdom of Prussia.

Here is what I think you should do:
- do not focus on the different classes of the orders, since that would clutter the board too much. Instead sacrifice historical accuracy for the sake of gameplay and just tell them apart from the distinctions.

Here's Is a very simplified order of precedende, from the lowest to the highest order.

uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern with swords
Order of the crown
Order of the crown with swords
Order of the crown with swords and oak leaves
Order of the crown with star
Order of the crown with star and swords
Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star and swords
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Order of the red eagle
Order of the red eagle with swords
Order of the red eagle with breast star
Order of the red eagle with breast star and swords
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star and swords
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves
Order of the black eagle (badge/cross with breast star)


Now, this might be a bit too much to script and to draw. Furthermore, many people may get confused with this, since there is a bewildering amount of variations.

So, this is a simplified version of the simplified version, with only the most common /highest medals present:

uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Order of the crown
Order of the crown with swords
Order of the crown with swords and oak leaves
Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Order of the red eagle
Order of the red eagle with swords
Order of the red eagle with breast star
Order of the red eagle with breast star and swords
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star and swords
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves
Order of the black eagle (badge/cross with breast star)


And finally, the most simplified version of them all:

uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Order of the crown with swords
Order of the crown with star and swords
Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Order of the red eagle
Order of the red eagle with swords
Order of the red eagle with breast star
Order of the red eagle with breast star and swords
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves
Order of the black eagle (badge/cross with breast star)


If you disregard the various orders of chivalry and purely rely on military decorations, you could just use:

uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves


Still, if you have the time and want to go for historical accuracy, I would definitely use this:

uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern with swords
Order of the crown
Order of the crown with swords
Order of the crown with swords and oak leaves
Order of the crown with star
Order of the crown with star and swords
Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star and swords
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Order of the red eagle
Order of the red eagle with swords
Order of the red eagle with breast star
Order of the red eagle with breast star and swords
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star and swords
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves
Order of the black eagle (badge/cross with breast star)

[Paul.Saenger]

Further german orders were also awarded to naval personal.

IMO it would be a mistake to only focus on the prussian orders, since germany had a lot of semi-sovereign states and cities who gave out awards to german soldiers.

The Hanseatic cities of Bremen, Lübeck and Hamburg awarded a so called Hanseatic cross, similar to the iron cross, but it being a special distinction for german naval personal.

House and Merit Order of Duke Peter Frederick Louis of Oldenbourg: Of these, the Commander, officer and Knights classes were awarded to officers below the rank of general. The Commander was a neck badge, the Officer's and knights crosses a breast badge. I would suggest focusing on the Knight's cross, however we should disregard it since it was not one of the important ones.

Military Merit Cross of Mecklenburg Schwerin, similar to the Iron cross, had two classes. I think we can disregard this one.

Bavarian Military Merit Order (Militär-Verdienstorden), awarded to the following:

Officer's Cross with Swords (Offizierskreuz mit Schwertern) - Colonels, some lieutenant colonels
3rd Class with Crown and Swords (3. Klasse mit der Krone unde mit Schwertern) - Colonels, lieutenant colonels
3rd Class with Swords (3. Klasse mit Schwertern) - Lieutenant colonels, majors
4th Class with Crown and Swords (4. Klasse mit der Krone unde mit Schwertern) - Majors, captains (and a few lieutenants) who already had the 4th Class with Swords
4th Class with Swords (4. Klasse mit Schwertern) - Captains, lieutenants
This is actually one of the more important ones.


Military Order of Max Joseph of Bavaria: One of the highes orders of Germany, with the priviledge of being ennobled. Three classes, Grand Cross (Großkreuz), Commander's Cross (Kommandeurkreuz) and Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz). Only the Ritterkreuz must concern us.

Military Merit Order (Militärverdienstorden) of Württemberg. Awarded to Otto Weddigen. Came in three classes, Grand Cross (Großkreuz), Commander's Cross (Kommandeurkreuz) and Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz). Only the Ritterkreuz must concern us.

Military Order of St. Henry of Saxony. Four classes, Grand Cross (Großkreuz), Commander's Cross 1st Class (Kommandeurkreuz I. Klasse), Commander's Cross 2nd Class (Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse), Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz). Only the Ritterkreuz must concern us, but we can disregard this one as well, since mostly people from saxony received those.


So, giving the order of precedence of those:

Hanseatic cross
Bavarian Military Merit Order
Bavarian Military Merit Order with swords
Bavarian Military Merit Order with crown and swords
Ritterkreuz of the Military Merit order of Württemberg
Ritterkreuz of the Military Order of Max Joseph


Attaching them with the order of precedende (additions shown in italic):


uboot-war badge
Iron cross 2nd class
Iron cross 1st class
Hanseatic cross
Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern = Bavarian Military Merit Order
Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords = Bavarian Military Merit Order with swords
Bavarian Military Merit Order with crown and swords
Ritterkreuz of the Military Merit order of Württemberg
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern
Komtur's cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern
Großkomtur's cross of the House of Hoenzollern with swords
Order of the crown
Order of the crown with swords
Order of the crown with swords and oak leaves
Order of the crown with star
Order of the crown with star and swords
Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star and swords
Grand Cross of the Order of the crown with star, swords and oak leaves
Ritterkreuz of the Military Order of Max Joseph
handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Order of the red eagle
Order of the red eagle with swords
Order of the red eagle with breast star
Order of the red eagle with breast star and swords
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star
Grand cross of the order of the red eagle with brest star and swords
Pour le mérite
Pour le mérite with oak leaves
Order of the black eagle (badge/cross with breast star)

[Paul.Saenger]

The game is rather limited regarding the medals, basically you can only have 6 different medals. Is this hardcoded? That would suck hardcore, since WWI medals are such a nice varying set.


The only medal that can use different ranks is the knight cross, the others are fixed. According to Paul's list I think it would look like that :

stock - WWI

IC2 - Iron cross 2nd class
IC1 - Iron cross 1st class
U-Boot war badge - Autographed photograph of the Kaiser
U-boot front clasp - Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
German Cross - handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Knight's Cross - Pour le mérite
Knight's Cross with oak leaves - Pour le mérite with oak leaves

You can possibly use a trick to simulate other medals using the unused higher ranks of the Knight's Cross by using a bigger image with two awards :hmm:
Okay, thanks for that list. Please don't be offended if I suggest a different take on it though (written in italic):

IC2 - Iron cross 2nd class
IC1 - Iron cross 1st class
U-Boot war badge - WWI Uboot war badge
U-boot front clasp - Hanseatic cross, since it most closely relates to naval victories and sea action
German Cross - Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords
Knight's Cross - Pour le mérite
Knight's Cross with oak leaves - handwritten letter of commendation of the Kaiser
Knights cross with oak leaves and swords - Military merit order of Bavaria, 4th Class with Crown and Swords (although a Bavarian decoration, it was also awarded to naval personnal of non-bavarian origins.)
Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the crown with swords and star
Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: Because you have to be a monumental warrior for it, I would suggest the following - Knights cross of the Order of the red eagle with swords and crown - because richthofen got one for his 70th victory - should also confer a patent of nobility, and only two people not having the rank of colonel received it.

I have written all with swords, since they were usually added in wartime.

[Paul.Saenger]

And here is how the award sequence would look like:

IC 2nd class:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Eisernes_Kreuz_Klasse2_WK1_.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Eisernes_Kreuz_Klasse2_WK1_.png

IC 1st class:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Musee-de-lArmee-IMG_1062.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Musee-de-lArmee-IMG_1062.jpg

U-boot war badge
Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though

Hanseatic cross:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BremenHanseatenkreuz.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/BremenHanseatenkreuz.jpg
I used the one from Bremen, since IMO it looks the best of those.

Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/HHO3Xobv.jpg

Pour le mérite
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Blue_Max.jpg

Military merit order of Bavaria, 4th class with swords:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/BMV4X.jpg

Order of the crown with star (I have no image with the swords present):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Kroonorde_van_Pruissen_Grootofficier.jpg

Knights cross of the Order of the red eagle with swords and crown:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/REO3_w_Crown_%26_Swords.JPG

[Wolf359]

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

See list:
Orders, Decorations and Medals of the Austro-Hungarian Empire

* Order of the Golden Fleece
* Military Order of Maria Theresa
* Royal Hungarian Order of St Stefan
* Military Merit Cross
* Order of Leopold
* Order of the Iron Crown
* Order of Franz Joseph
* Order of Elisabeth
* Order of the Starry Cross
* Teutonic Order
* Decoration for Art and Science
* War Cross for Civil Merit, 1915
* Large Bravery Medal for Officers
* Elizabeth-Theresa Military Decoration
* Cross for Religious Service
* Cross for Religious Service on War Ribbon
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis)
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on War Ribbon
* Civil Merit Medal (Civil Signum Laudis)
* Bravery Medal
* Merit Cross
* Merit Cross on War Ribbon
* Elizabeth Merit Cross
* Elizabeth Merit Medal
* War Medal 1873
* Army Cross 1813-14 (Cannon Cross)
* Civil Honour Cross 1813-14
* Bohemian Nobles' Cross 1814
* Tirol Huldigung Medal 1834
* Tirol Medal 1848
* 50th Anniversary Medal for the Defence of the Tirol
* Commemorative Medal for the 1864 campaign against Denmark
* Tirol Medal 1866
* Cross of Merit
* Iron Cross of Merit
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for the Army
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Military Widows
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Civil Servants
* Commemorative Cross for 60th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign
* Commemorative Cross 1912-13
* Karl Troop Cross
* Long Service Cross for NCOs for 12 Years Service
* Wound Medal
* Honour Decoration of the Red Cross 1914-18
* Honour Badge of the Red Cross
* Red Cross Medal
* Merit Award of the Red Cross 1914
* Commemorative Medal of the 13th Royal Bavarian Infantry
I have some picture of it i upload to the this topic tomorrow

Ahoy:up:

[Paul.Saenger]

Now, the same for Austria.

Austrian order of precedence:

Maria - Theresia Militärorden
Order of the Iron Crown, 1st class
Order of the Iron Crown, 2nd class
Order of the Iron Crown, 3rd class
Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with diamonds and swords
Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Officer's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross)
Large Military Merit Medal - usually only awarded to generals. Will disregard that one.
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge)
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
Military Merit Medal (silver) with swords
Military Merit Medal (silver)
Military Merit Medal (bronze) with swords
Military Merit Medal (bronze)
Wound Medal
u-boat war pin? Did it ever exist? I don't know.


Here is my suggestion for the ten medals we can achieve:

IC2 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
IC1 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
U-Boot war badge - U-boot war pin (if it ever existed) otherwise replace it with military merit medal/wound badge
U-boot front clasp: Military Merit Medal (bronze)
German Cross: Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross: Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's Cross with oak leaves: Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with oak leaves and swords: Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the iron crown, third class
Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: Maria-Theresia Militärorden


I am however a bit unhappy with the Austrian -Hungarian situation. They do not really have a clear order of precedence, and very few actual orders. And the Order of franz joseph is actually more of an order for distinguished service than for bravery. This is however the best I can do.

Pics to follow in next post.

[Paul.Saenger]

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

Mate - first off, your sig is breaking the page. Second, did you look through the medals? Most of them are not egligible for the time period.


* Order of the Golden Fleece - only awarded to nobility and royalty
* Military Order of Maria Theresa
* Royal Hungarian Order of St Stefan - only awarded to military and people with the rank of general
* Military Merit Cross
* Order of Leopold
* Order of the Iron Crown
* Order of Franz Joseph
* Order of Elisabeth - only awarded to women
* Order of the Starry Cross - nope.
* Teutonic Order - a catholic order, no relation to war
* Decoration for Art and Science - WTF?
* War Cross for Civil Merit, 1915 - Civil merit. Meaning logistics, fundraising etc.
* Large Bravery Medal for Officers - Actually that is the large merit medal, awarded for generals.
* Elizabeth-Theresa Military Decoration - discontinued, iirc.
* Cross for Religious Service - wtf?
* Cross for Religious Service on War Ribbon - wtf?
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis)
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on War Ribbon
* Civil Merit Medal (Civil Signum Laudis)
* Bravery Medal
* Merit Cross
* Merit Cross on War Ribbon
* Elizabeth Merit Cross - see above
* Elizabeth Merit Medal - see above
* War Medal 1873 - look at the year.
* Army Cross 1813-14 (Cannon Cross) - outdated
* Civil Honour Cross 1813-14 - outdated
* Bohemian Nobles' Cross 1814 - outdated
* Tirol Huldigung Medal 1834 - outdated
* Tirol Medal 1848 - outdated
* 50th Anniversary Medal for the Defence of the Tirol - outdated
* Commemorative Medal for the 1864 campaign against Denmark - outdated
* Tirol Medal 1866 - outdated
* Cross of Merit
* Iron Cross of Merit
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for the Army - outdated
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Military - outdated Widows
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Civil Servants - outdated
* Commemorative Cross for 60th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign - outdated
* Commemorative Cross 1912-13 - outdated
* Karl Troop Cross - only awarded to the army
* Long Service Cross for NCOs for 12 Years Service - outdated
* Wound Medal
* Honour Decoration of the Red Cross 1914-18 - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Honour Badge of the Red Cross - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Red Cross Medal - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Merit Award of the Red Cross 1914 - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Commemorative Medal of the 13th Royal Bavarian Infantry - yeah, right. Uboat - infantry?

Mate, really, did you just copy paste stuff? Cause it really doesn't look like you spent a lot of time dwelling on what you just wrote.

[Paul.Saenger]

Here is my suggestion for the ten medals we can achieve:

IC2 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
IC1 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
U-Boot war badge - U-boot war pin (if it ever existed) otherwise replace it with military merit medal/wound badge
U-boot front clasp: Military Merit Medal (bronze) with swords and ribbon
German Cross: Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross: Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's Cross with oak leaves: Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with oak leaves and swords: Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the iron crown, third class
Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: Maria-Theresia Militärorden
And now the pics:

Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/OeMV3K.jpg
Just get rid of the swords and the war decoration and you got the standard (which replaces IC2).

Military Merit Medal (bronze)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Signum_laudis_KuK_136494072.jpg
Sorry for breaking the page.

Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/1/14/Franz-Josephs-Orden.jpg
You just have to add the swords.

Knight's cross of the order of Leopold
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Leopoldso.jpeg


Order of the Iron Crown
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Order_of_the_Iron_Crown.JPG
There was no distinction between classes in the insigna (Except for sashes, which we do not see in SH3)

Military Order of Maria Theresia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Maria-Theresia-Orden.jpg

Well, looks like I have broken the page as well.

[Wolf359]

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

Mate - first off, your sig is breaking the page. Second, did you look through the medals? Most of them are not egligible for the time period.

Mate, really, did you just copy paste stuff? Cause it really doesn't look like you spent a lot of time dwelling on what you just wrote.

Yes, I am used copy-paste method because I have this data in one word document and list is too big for write it fast on post:damn:.

Yes, I know that many of this medals is outdated for period of WW1 or have usage in other military branches but I want to give full list of medals of AH from begin (1867) to (1918) end.
Thanks you for correcting my list:up:.

Ahoy

[USS Sea Tiger]

I will have to look into the hard codign and see if that can be pulled of!

Yes, one great reason I liked the WWI version is the very colorful awards possible,, something unique.

[Wolf359]

I have pictures of this Austro-Hungary medals:

1. Military Order of Maria Theresa
2. Military Merit Cross
3. The Order of Leopold
4. The Order of the Iron Crown
5. The Order of Franz Joseph
6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon
7. Wound Medal

I will upload pictures of it very soon!:up:

[Wolf359]

Few of my medals are already upload on this topic but I have pictures of more variants of it.

[Wolf359]

1. Military Order of Maria Theresa: 4 variants: Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander and Knight

Instituted: 13 May 1757.
Discontinued: 1919.

Awarded: To officers for courage in the face of the enemy, or commanders whose actions determine success in battle.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryOrderofMariaTheresa1.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryOrderofMariaTheresa2.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryOrderofMariaTheresa3.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryOrderofMariaTheresa4.jpg

[Wolf359]

2. Military Merit Cross: (I have picture of first variant - Cross: 1st class)


Instituted: 22 October 1849.

Discontinued: 1919.


Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryMeritCross.jpg

[USS Sea Tiger]

Thank you, I can use them. Some I have but not in great detail.

So far I finished the files for the Prussian awards. I thought it would be simple HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thought it would be one file only to change HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

How naive I was, modified 8 files so for,, just for one set of medals Hehehehheheh

[Wolf359]

3. The Order of Leopold: I have pictures of 3 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Grand Cross: Star and Knight


Instituted: 14 July 1808 by Kaiser Franz I.
Discontinued: 1919.


Awarded: For military and civil merit.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofLeopold1.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofLeopold2.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofLeopold3.jpg

[Wolf359]

4. The Order of the Iron Crown: 4 variants: Grand Cross Badge, Grand Cross: Star, Commander, and Knight


Instituted: 5 June 1805 by Napoleon I
Discontinued: 1814, restored 12 February 1816 by Kaiser Franz I.

Awarded: for Honorable deeds in action (I think).


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/OrderoftheIronCrown1.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/OrderoftheIronCrown2.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/OrderoftheIronCrown3.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/OrderoftheIronCrown4.jpg

[Wolf359]

5. The Order of Franz Joseph: I have pictures of 4 variants - Grand Cross: Badge, Commander with Star, Commander, Knight


Instituted: 1849.
Discontinued: 1918.


Awarded: For military and civil merit; especially in industry, commerce and diplomacy.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofFranzJoseph1.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofFranzJoseph2.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofFranzJoseph3.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/TheOrderofFranzJoseph4.jpg

[Wolf359]

6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon: I have picture of one variant


Instituted: 1890.
Discontinued: 1918.


Awarded: For deeds of bravery in action.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/MilitaryBraveryMedalonWarRibbon.jpg

[Wolf359]

7. Wound Medal: I have picture of two variants – for 2 wounds and 4 wounds


Instituted: I don't know
Discontinued I think that Austria use similar medal and today.


Awarded: For being wounded in combat.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/WoundMedal1.jpg


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/Veco84/WoundMedal2.jpg

[Wolf359]

Sea Tiger I will hope that this my pictures can been useful for you:know:.

I looking forward for your AH mod for SH3! :up::ping:

Ahoy :arrgh!:

[Tessa]

At the time in WWI, the Pour le mérite was the highest decoration that Prussia could award. Off the top of my head I think that only 2000 were awarded during the course of the war, compared to estimated 7000 Knights Cross in WWII. It would be more comprable to Oak leaves which there were 881 awarded, and only 159 with swords.

The IC 1st class also has some variations that you would need to factor in. For someone in WWI that had received it previously it would have the date 1874 on it, so there would be a badge that would be put on top of it with 1914 on it. Same with WWII, if the soldier had recieved a IC 1st in WWI they had another badge worn above it with 1939 on it.

By the time WWII came around, most of the reciepients of the Pour le mérite were generals or higher by the start of WWII. Only a few people like Adolf Galland (who still scored 104 planes shot down) actually served on the front lines.

I guess since I collect WWII German militaria the medal system in SHIII frustrates me so much. I understand there needs to be a tangible milestone in which to make the award available, they just didn't do their homework very well. The combat clasp in gold always has rubbed me wrong, it didn't even became available until 1944, and only was awarded in bronze and silver. Thank god for SHIII Commander by allowing you the option of handing out awards based on your own criteria and not how much tonnage you sink per patrol.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

And here is how the award sequence would look like:
U-boot war badge
Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though this site (http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/association/members/reference_articles/U_boat/2.jpg) has it, and much more here (http://www.derrittmeister.com/navy.htm)

[Paul.Saenger]

^The second one is wonderful, Mohr. Great detail.