Appeasing Islam-Pat Condell

[Happy Times]

Good stuff again.:up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

[mapuc]

Well said, couldn't agree more

Markus

[elite_hunter_sh3]

another great video :rock: now, if only every SINGLE european would think like that... what a beautiful continent europe would be, no islam whatsoever.....too bad it wont be a reality anytime soon :shifty::nope:

[CCIP]

yey, let's all generalize! :up:

[Foxtrot]

Islam must be responsible for these:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Adult+men+in+Helsinki+caught+paying+for+sex+with+t eenagers+with+alcohol+and+gifts/1135234514777

and these:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article831344.ece


Don't let those Muslims screw up our socities :up:

[Skybird]

yey, let's all generalize! :up:
No, let's focus on the message being brought by Muhammad, regarding what Islam is - that is bad and disgraceful enough. the author ordered murder, raids and war throughout his life, and Islam's history is a history of war, cultural destruction, attack and aggressive conquest where the ressources for it were existent. That tells something - and it is not the message of peace and tolerance and coexistence.

Everything in Islam, including the Quran and canon of the socalled tradition of the prophet, Hadith, has it's basis in Muhammad's orders and preachings. Everything in Islam leads back to him, that's why it is "Muhammadanism". Generalization has nothing to do with it. ;) And that significant parts of the Muslim community especially in Britain are in favour of Sharia being implemented in Britain and that violence is acceptable to reach that goal (amongst the young males: over 50%, adults around a quarter to one third), is not a generalization, but a statistical finding. Or a german example of "unfair generalisation": the smaller group of juveniles from immigration families with Muslim background in Germany reach a crime rate as high as that of all native German juveniles together (a group several times as big as the first group) , making their crime rate multiple times as high as that of native Germans (so says our police statistics) - that too can hardly be seen as a generalization, but is a statistic fact, countable, and provable, year by year.

Where you want to save Muslims from "generalization", you may bebetter understand that the people you think of as that because they are in favour of this or that western value or ethic - by that alone often are already in violation of Muhammedan values, and in violation of what they are ordered for in the Quran. So you may want to think of them as either apostates who do not admit their state of apostacy (potential death-candidates), or deceptors. Both kind of people exist. Deception is not only acceptable, but males are even ordered to deceive if it is helping to strengthen Islam.

Let's stick to what Islam is by its own scriptures and prophet's demands when adressing what Islam is. why the wish to see it as something different than what it is in it's self-understanding? The name is not arbitrary and should not be used for any set of ideas somebody has, no matter what ideas it is, but means a clearly defined ideology that is what it is, and is not what it is not. One should not say Red when one points at Blue and then complain that other's visual sense is distorted and is generalizing in favour of the one colour. Too much talking today that has no meaning anymore, because of this.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Bloody hell.


I agree with Skybird!!

[bradclark1]

Good stuff again.:up:

Hear, hear! or is it Here, here!?

[Steel_Tomb]

"The saudi arabian human rights commission, now theres a collection of words to boggle the mind" LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHh0NdR5Jh0&feature=related

[Steel_Tomb]

I agree, this is the time when islam with either go towards the extremists or moderates. Quite similar to how the troubles started with the whole catholicism/protestant beliefs all those years ago.

[antikristuseke]

Someting else on youtube on a similar subject
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UnC7Nwqw5Dg

[Sailor Steve]

Hear, hear! or is it Here, here!?
Right first time. Hear! Hear!

But I'm betting you knew that.:sunny:

[Skybird]

Hear, hear! or is it Here, here!?
Right first time. Hear! Hear!

But I'm betting you knew that.:sunny:
I assume from a British perspective two Yanks discussing the correct writing of English must have it's own scent of humour and irony. :lol:

[Skybird]

Bloody hell.
I agree with Skybird!!

Damn -you just ruined my dinner...

:-j

[Knipper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

Brilliant! is all I can say. My only contention with yer man is to say islam is inferior to western culture. I just think it is different. What does piss me off however is people who live in another country and put down the laws and conventions of that country. I'm not talking about total integration, let them wear the clothes they want, follow the religion they want etc, but they should remember one thing: They chose to live there because it was better than living in their own country. And if their offspring don't like it, they should go back to their roots.

I don't consider myself racist in any shape or form, I don't give a s**t about colour, religion, sexuality or any other aspect of being a human being, but if I go to live in another country, as I have several times in my life, I have always tried to live by that country's laws, respect it's traditions even though they might be different from my own, and tried to speak at least a little of it's language. It's about respect for others and quite frankly, my perception is that many Muslims living in the UK just don't give a damn about any of this. It's all about Islam being the only true way, just like the Christans do about Christianity. The only good thing I can think of to say about Islam is that at least they don't come knocking on my door telling me I'm wrong to be an atheist like the Mormons and the Jehova's Witnesses do - but that's probably only a matter of time. OK, we have CCTV all over the place, calls for all-round DNA (see thread: Hitler would be proud) but the UK still isn't a patch on Iran or Burma or Saudi in terms of civil liberties. Get real guys, in England, you are allowed to criticise religion. Like it or leave. I don't believe Jesus was the son of god, nor do I believe Mohammad was a prophet. I'm allowed to say that in the UK - so are you. Live with it. It's what is known as freedom of speech.

[Knipper]

I assume from a British perspective two Yanks discussing the correct writing of English must have it's own scent of humour and irony. :lol:

This'll kill you. I'm editor of a business magazine based in London and all our copy editors are American :D I hate to admit it but they know far more about the English language than any of my journo's - including me! :rotfl:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

B..but.. you're Ian McKellen! ;):rotfl:

[Knipper]

Don't give me that crap KP :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

Why don't we simply destroy every religion and then we won't have this problem?:nope:

By the way, Condell isn't as educated as he'd like to think on the Islamics and their religion. Wives are only stoned if they commit adultery or a crime equal to it, they're not stoned for no reason whatsoever... Also, he's apparently unaware that the Bible says women are inferior to men and are unclean during menstruation and that anything they touch then becomes unclean. Oh sure, that's not sexism; "it's the word of God and Jesus". We can allow that, but we can't allow the teachings of Muhammad despite the fact that the Bible has been misused a thousand times...:rotfl::roll: The Christians and Protestants and Catholics are no better, and the Catholics, once upon a time, hated the Jews. Are you aware how many Jews, "Heretics", Pagans, and Muslims were killed total during the Spanish Inquisition initiated by the Catholic church? Recent evidence supports a number at roughly 100,000 men, women, and children (Vatican scholars claim that number is exaggerated, and the number is actually less than 1,300...)... all because they didn't believe in the teachings of Christ (reminds me of the VERY good Twilight Zone episode Deaths-head Revisited), and for all we know, Jesus never existed. There is no concrete evidence that there was a man at any period in history named Jesus of Nazareth, and to back that up, why has the church had to fight so hard for something which they claim has undeniable evidence?

You have a lot to owe the Muslims. Algebra, the Taj Mahal, the modern numerical system, the beginning of astronomy, AND Geometry. Those are just a few off the long list. Condell is just a bigot and a smartass who has never actually lived in a Muslim country. He gets his ideas from reading the paper, not by actually going to a country like Saudi Arabia or Iraq or Iran. This "comedian", if one could call him this, has no experience whatsoever when it comes to these countries. Intolerant and insolent bastard, that's all he is. I will not have anything to do with someone who acts like he knows what's best for everybody, although I will agree that the British should find a way to handle Muslim demands for equality some other way.

[Stealth Hunter]

Oh yeah, I watched that one. That was a good movie. Showed how many radicals there are in the world, though I must agree that Muslims do get out of hand now and then. Remember the issue they had with Harry Potter?

"WARLOCKS AND WITCHES ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENEMIES OF GOD!"

I've got a link to that video. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eERDW1d5joQ


By the way, here's the YouTube video to Deaths-Head Revisited:

Part 1 of 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuBDo9Chb0

Part 2 of 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTsY...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTsYkleYxw&feature=related)

Part 3 of 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6_sI...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6_sI9x2Nbs&feature=related)

These particular lines comes to mind when discussing the Inquisition:

"Strange that it should disturb you so. It never used to, Captain. When your victims screamed, you weren't so sensitive, but now, they're not screaming. No, they're reacting. They just heard you offer up your apology for all the monsters of our times. 'We did as we were told!' or 'We functioned as ordered!' or 'We merely carried out directives from out superiors!'

. . .

Captain Lutze, 10 million human beings were tortured to death in camps like this... men, women, children, infants... tired, old men... You burned them in furnaces. You shoveled them into the earth. You tore up their bodies in rage... and now you come back to your scenes of horror and you wonder if your misery planted has lived after you?

. . .

Little mistakes? Little mis- you ask too much Captain Lutze... far too much... Why not ask the Earth to stop revolving on its axis? Don't ask the impossible, Captain Lutze. Do not ask forgiveness from those who you've destroyed to a point past forgiveness.

. . .

When you used to string me up, Captain? Suspended over a hot pipe... feed me salt water until me tongue swelled... burn me with cigarette butts all over and laugh when I screamed to please put an end to it. To please have mercy and kill me... your memory is quite good, Captain. Quite good, indeed."

[antikristuseke]

Why don't we simply destroy every religion and then we won't have this problem?:nope:

By the way, Condell isn't as educated as he'd like to think on the Islamics and their religion. Wives are only stoned if they commit adultery or a crime equal to it, they're not stoned for no reason whatsoever... Also, he's apparently unaware that the Bible says women are inferior to men and are unclean during menstruation and that anything they touch then becomes unclean. Oh sure, that's not sexism; "it's the word of God and Jesus". We can allow that, but we can't allow the teachings of Muhammad despite the fact that the Bible has been misused a thousand times...:rotfl::roll: The Christians and Protestants and Catholics are no better, and the Catholics, once upon a time, hated the Jews. Are you aware how many Jews, "Heretics", Pagans, and Muslims were killed total during the Spanish Inquisition initiated by the Catholic church? Recent evidence supports a number at roughly 100,000 men, women, and children (Vatican scholars claim that number is exaggerated, and the number is actually less than 1,300...)... all because they didn't believe in the teachings of Christ (reminds me of the VERY good Twilight Zone episode Deaths-head Revisited), and for all we know, Jesus never existed. There is no concrete evidence that there was a man at any period in history named Jesus of Nazareth, and to back that up, why has the church had to fight so hard for something which they claim has undeniable evidence?

You have a lot to owe the Muslims. Algebra, the Taj Mahal, the modern numerical system, the beginning of astronomy, AND Geometry. Those are just a few off the long list. Condell is just a bigot and a smartass who has never actually lived in a Muslim country. He gets his ideas from reading the paper, not by actually going to a country like Saudi Arabia or Iraq or Iran. This "comedian", if one could call him this, has no experience whatsoever when it comes to these countries. Intolerant and insolent bastard, that's all he is. I will not have anything to do with someone who acts like he knows what's best for everybody, although I will agree that the British should find a way to handle Muslim demands for equality some other way.

Seems to me that you havent watched his other videos, he takes issue with extremist christians aswell, or any religion for that mater. Anyway while I do think he goes a bit too far at times most of his views are grounded in common sense.

[Skybird]

Why don't we simply destroy every religion and then we won't have this problem?:nope:

You get my vote without hesitation. Nothing good has ever come from institutionalised religions and theistic religions. They are a constant source of political megalomania, hate, aggression, war. To hell with it.

Wives are only stoned if they commit adultery or a crime equal to it, they're not stoned for no reason whatsoever... Glad to hear that, that really is a relief to see this tradition alive after the goat has eaten those certain pages.

All what I could say i have said many times before in the past 3, 4 years. Jesus and Muhammad in no way compare, and the Quran can only be compared to the old testament, not to the glad tidings. Where the Christian book moved on with Jesus, there was no such event in islam, that's why it is stuck in the phase that compares to the old testament. Jesus taught passivity, peacefulness even in the face of violence, and to focus on your mind uncompromisngly and leaving all earthly goods and desires behind. muhammad taught war and conquest, called for murder and committed genocide, used his self-invented cult or religiosity to make his poltical ruling unreachable for critical minds (that lived dangeorus for being accused of heresy). the hypocrisy and mendacity of Islam by which it claims rewards from acchievements produced not by itself but by others, and wants to be seen on same eye level where in fact it is more primitive and barbaric than what jesus taught or what the western civilisation in it's positive aspects ever has reached, will always hinder me to pay it the respect it demands, and demands for nothing but greed, envy and a massive inferiorty complex. Lpoud yelling cannot be a surrogate for civilisational developement - and that came to a halt with Muhammad'S appearance. Arabia had best chances to become a centre of the world, when it was superior in level of civilisation and science to dark medieval europe. But after 300 years after muhammad, islam has paralysyed this developements, and had turned all Islamic world into a stagnation lasting until today, with mption only outside it's sphere where it haunted non-Muslim mankind with attacks and aggresion and endless conquests, or threat of these.

So, Jesus taught peace, and died for this message. Muhammad brogzt the sword into the world, nobody'S friend, but all non-Muslim worlds enemy. To compare muhammad to Jesus, is a very malicious offence. what is islam more than an infantile demand that the rules of nature and all cosmos shall change and bend and start to revolve around some little Ali's infantile fantasy of how important his cohones are for the rest of mankind and it's enforced missionizing. Bah.

To make that clear: Christian fundamentalists i do not see any better. Both camps give me the creeps, and I don't care if they feel offended for my lack of respect because they do not deserve any respect and already have been given far too much respect - that's why the world is such a hellhole like it is today. If we would have started to talk straight to these surprisngly aggressive peace-bringers much time earlier, we would be much better off today.

Yes, you are right, SH: destroy every damn religion and shatter all the idols and golden cows and burn the holy scriptures of theistic religions alltogether and let our children live and raise an learn to ask questions al, by themselves. giving preproduced answers like religions do, never gives birth to anything good, just to stupidity, dogmatism, intolerance and megalomania. to hell with all this diabolic crap indeed. It does not make yopu be reaosmable, but it makes you giving up your reason. Without reason, what makes you any different then from a always hungry wolfpack haunting a village, or mindless cattle on the meadow .