AFB_USFighter

[AkbarGulag]

I could look on the NET, but to be honest, this is probably faster than me poring through oodles of models of aircraft. Needed for historic values, the values I can find, just the model I require :yep:

What model of aircraft is the standard....

AFB_USFighter

ATB_USTorpedoBomber

ALB_HeavyBomber.

... in Silent Hunter 4

Thanks in advance,

Akbar

[FIREWALL]

Hi AKBAR :)

It probably depends a little bit on what year. PH had alot of P-40s 12-7-41. Saw em get blown up in the movie Tora Tora Tora.

I'm still wondering why the CORSAIR isn't included.

[AkbarGulag]

I just need to know what one they have used in the game Firewall. It is the same model from start to finish in SH4. Same goes for the torpedo bomber. They can be viewed in the game museum :)

But you may be right.. P40's?


I'm still wondering why the CORSAIR isn't included.
YES!! This is a critical aircraft for the pacific theatre IMO.

[FIREWALL]

Sorry I'm not much help. Those game files are cofuseing to me.

I can't even get the mission editor to work.

I've asked in the past about planes and was told it was against the law or something to that effect. Copyright thingy.

I highly doubt an long out of bussiness Aircraft co. is going to come after some modder for putting it in the game.:roll:

[AkbarGulag]

Sorry I'm not much help. Those game files are cofuseing to me.

I can't even get the mission editor to work.


You have never used the in-game museum? It's in the game menu after you first load up. Lets you fly around ships and planes and look at them.

Anyway, the game files do not describe what the plane is, I need someone to visually identify them. I will put it on my to-do list if this thread goes stale in a day or two.

[tater]

F2A Brewster "Buffalo" is the fighter.

The VT and VB are the same plane, the SB2C "Helldiver."

The heavy bomber is an Avro Lancaster (not ever in US service).

Unless you plan on adding all the planes that are NOT in stock SH4, remember that the Brewster needs to fill in for the F4F, F6F, and F4U. The latter 2 are grossly superior. The SB2C is superior in payload, etc to all the early war VT and VBs.

Messing with the data on those planes only makes sense if you have the planes that belong at the times when they are not there. I'd say the same for the "Pete," BTW. It has to fill in for all IJN floats, so getting it spot on is only useful if you have all the other spot on float planes used by the IJN.

The forest is what matters, not the specific trees.

tater

[AkbarGulag]

I already have done pre-liminary research on the ones that matter. Like the PV-1 and PV-2 that are in RSRD. To be honest, i'm not going to use them. They just were not common.

That Cat PBY5 and PBY5a are both going to be used. I modded the Sunderland to the Sunderland_MkIII.

The only two planes in original silent hunter 4 for bombers, are the search and bomber version of the same thing. All I have done there so far is changing visual sets. Next I was just going to update speed and range. No other plans for them.

Now the Beaufighter we cloned will be a specific version. They were used in a wide range of theatres with a wide range of weapon loads. I want one weapon loadout for the introduced version. I see they were anti-shipping, but have read nothing about ASW. So one version for anti-ship would be enough. Even the rockets used in the atlantic and europe.. it seems less likely rockets were used in the pacific.

Basically, once I change airfields to custom ones, most original non authentic pacific and indian theatre aircraft, from SH4 will be nerfed... i.e, they will still function in single scenarios. But seeing them in the campaign will be near non-existent. Much like what was done to the IJN aircraft in the first versions of ASW.

So going by what you say Tater, I can just dump the bomber fullstop. As far as cloning.

I will mod the statistics for the 'Helldiver' to historic figures. Same with the 'Buffalo'.

When I can get a max-range for a loaded aircraft, I always use that max range. In the absence of loaded max-range, I always use endurance. Not perfect using endurance, but sometimes it's the best we can get.

As with your mantra Tater, the forest not the tree's :D what would we all do without you :cool:

P.S, I found the rocket files *grin*


I can't even get the mission editor to work.


You should go to the mission editors section. It has lots of cool tips :)

[tater]

Doesn't RSRD have a B-24? It was the most common US heavy in the Pacific. While not used as ASW platforms usually in their B-24 formay, PB4Ys were used in that roll. Early Pb4Ys (PB4Y-1) was just a B-24.

The RN used them as well, I believe.

[AkbarGulag]

Yep, there is a B-24 in the RSRD files.

The reason I have not used the PBY4 is because I found limited information on it's use near the indian ocean. I may incorporate it in the next tidy up for the Pacific theatre.

The BeaufighterAU in RSRD seems to have the sound missing on mine. *note to self scan for ID clutter* So I dropped it and decided to run with the new one from U-Boat add-on. It only has one 'B' Node though, another job that is on my list, my to do right now list.

[tater]

Coastal Command used B-17s, and later B-24s I think. I have no idea about the Indian Ocean, but it's a fair bet that the FAA/RAF used some sort of land-based bomber.

There were Lanc units in India, BTW. In the Far East they also had lifeboat dropping versions (like the B-17 dumbos).

PB4Y-1s were certainly used by the USN in the pacific. There was a unit on Espiritu Santo that I know of, and Panama, probably Australia, too.

BTW, for those not up on USN and IJN naming schemes for aircraft, they are in fact the same.

PB=Patrol Bomber
4=4th type procured from manufacturer...
Y=Consolidated
-1 = subtype

PB4Y-1 = 4th Patrol Bomber type bought by the Navy built by Consolidated.

F4F = Fighter, 4th type purchased from F=Grumman.

The navalized B-25 was the PBJ (J=North American, if the plane was the first bought from a given manufacturer the number "1" was ommited).

The IJN used the same scheme.

A6M:
A=fighter
6=6th type built for Navy by...
M=Mitsubishi

D=Carrier Bomber
3=3d type from
A=Aichi

G=land bomber
3=3d type from
M=Mitsubishi

Note that for the F1M, the F is not "float" it is for "observation seaplane." Reconnaissance seaplanes were "E" types like the E13A. Seaplane (float) fighters were "N," and flyingboats were "H."

tater

[AkbarGulag]

Coastal Command used B-17s, and later B-24s I think. I have no idea about the Indian Ocean, but it's a fair bet that the FAA/RAF used some sort of land-based bomber.

There were Lanc units in India, BTW. In the Far East they also had lifeboat dropping versions (like the B-17 dumbos).

tater
From the brief investigation I did, it looks like the forces in India/Burma in the way of equipment can be vastly different. I expect far more land based aircraft around there. Australia rates pretty high for floats. Then there is northern australia, that fielded lots of Beaufighters, plus some really nice sunderland forces. Pretty sure the north must have had a significant presence by the time of the solomons campaign. Including land based F/B.

This link was a good find.....
http://www.ozatwar.com/airfields.htm :arrgh!:


PB4Y-1s were certainly used by the USN in the pacific. There was a unit on Espiritu Santo that I know of, and Panama, probably Australia, too.

On that, it looks like by the time of the solomons, the PB4Y was already at the end of its life. The production figures from the PB5Y show the major shift.

What I am trying to keep in mind Tater, is that American aviation forces in the pacific theatre are of low priority. Considering you will be in American subs when in that theatre. Thats my main reason for ditching the PB4Y. It was mainly in the eastern Pacific, then by the time the allies started rolling back the Japanese, the PB4Y was pretty much finished I think.

I will concentrate on allied planes for the indian ocean, India, Burma, Java, Western and Northern Australia and anything that gets near Papua New Guinea, or The Bismarck Sea.

[tater]

It's at least a real US type.

Also, later Privateers were still based on the B-24.

Regardless, you either have a land-based US maritime patrol plane, or you don't. The B-24 (reskinned?) is the best bet since other models simply don't exist. I agree allied planes are low priority til there are player IJN subs.

Just saying.

It's like the Betty. The G4M replaced the G3M, but G3M "Nell" bombers WERE used for maritime patrol, they were not simply scrapped. So if a base in RL had G3Ms flying maritime patrol, in SH4 you'd have to put a Betty unit there, instead.

The Kate can stand in for any number of maritime patrol planes with single engines, too.

If the player is doing things right, they should be pulling the plug before they get too close, anyway.

Actually, a useful mod would also be to dump the fighter vs bomber icons for them on the map to up the fog of war for folks using the mod.

I have to say I have an ulterior motive in my interest for allied maritime patrol aircraft.

Idea:

Make a new country, USAAF.

Make it hostile.

Create a map showing "safe zones" for travel on the surface.

Scatter some USAAF planes around the map. Even where the player would be safe.

Enjoy the mayhem that ensues.

:)

What we really need is for planes to ALL be the same, no instant IFF nonsense.

See a plane, and DIVE, even if it's a USN PBY.

tater

[AkbarGulag]

Yea I agree, when the Japanese get playable subs all the extra US stuff is a must.

I can see why you want even friendly planes hostile. It makes perfect sense really. Having the USAAF as a third country hostile to everything would add a whole new sense of realism. Radar contacts should be only radar contacts after all... and who is to say your fleetboat doesn't look like an IJN sub from up there?

Thats a pefect candidate for it's own layer btw Tater. You could make your own .mis layer called USAAF.mis for example, then other mods could plug it in via the campaign.cfg file :hmm: Roster them up, make some bases... script them, whatever you need.

It's a pretty good idea :yep:

I nominate you!!

[castorp345]

Idea:

Make a new country, USAAF.

Make it hostile.

Create a map showing "safe zones" for travel on the surface.

Scatter some USAAF planes around the map. Even where the player would be safe.

Enjoy the mayhem that ensues.

:)

What we really need is for planes to ALL be the same, no instant IFF nonsense.

See a plane, and DIVE, even if it's a USN PBY.

tater



now that is sheer brilliance!!
:rock:

this sort of ingenuity is what makes this place such a great virtual haunt!

cheers
hc

[FIREWALL]

WoW! I never ceiest to be amazed by the work and ingenuity of our members,:up:

[tater]

Actually, I already tested this a while back. The problem is that "real" friendly aircraft don't drop you from TC, etc. So you get a radar report, and you KNOW he'll attack, which is lame.

If I could get the "IFF" functionality removed from SH4, I'd do it in a heartbeat (that includes friendly shipping).

tater

[AkbarGulag]

Been placing airfields in Australia.. It looks like a lot of airfields were under US administration, but ease of use should prevail.

Even learnt some hard lessons of not backing up. I converted a heap of airfields to RAAF but didnt change the nation :oops: took me a while to work out why my SH4 editor was throwing fits.

Looks like I will give them historic names and places, but all under RAAF banner for the aussie continent. There was hundreds of airfields in Australia, so finding names and places is pretty easy.

Once I get a good chunk done, I will upload for Tater and Lurker_hlb3 to look at, so if you guys do some layer work, you can incorporate the WIP.

EDIT: Ok, got a heap in there, pretty much all the float bases I could find. I culled out airfields with little historical significance. But I left in some obscure bases due to the fact they could...

A: Accomodate B-24's
B: Were involved directly in operations defending against Japanese raiding parties.

And Tater, looking at the airfield itineries, B-24's played a huge role filling the air gap across the expanse of the Australian continent. So like you said, B-24's are a must have for this theatre.

[swdw]

Until you have a twin tail B-24, the Privateer is a better option then the Lancaster. B-24's were more prevalent later in the war than the B-17. They had greater range and payload and more were produced than B-17's. They just weren't as tough or good looking.

As for the Navy fighters, the F4F (Wildcat) or F6F (Hellcat) are better options than the Buffalo or the Corsair. Although a cool plane, the Corsair was difficult to manufacture and there were more Hellcats produced. Plus the greatest kill record in the pacific goes to the Hellcat.

For Army Air Corps fighters, if you can pick only one for now, I have a suggestion. The best to introduce, as it was the longest used fighter in the pacific would be the P-38. Where the P-40 got relegated to more support roles later, the P-38 was used for air superiority and ground support longer than any other aircraft in the pacific (Plus photo recon). Then there's the fact the highest and second highest scoring American aces in WWII both flew P-38's in the Pacific (Richard Bong and Tommy McGuire). P-38's were very successful in the Pacific because they didn't have problems with cold weather affecting the superchargers like the ones in Europe suffered.

The P-40 was the "fill in the gap" fighter until better fighters could be produced. Most people associate it with the Pacific because of the AVG "Flying Tigers"

When you have the models to introduce the various types, I'd love to see them in the game.

Do you need help locating 3D models?

BTW, here's a quick reference sight- not a lot of detiled info, but they have basic stats and a little history. (I linked to the Privateer)
Warbird Alley (http://www.warbirdalley.com/b24.htm)

I like tater's idea, but then this thought crossed my imnd- imagine rolling the P-38 into the game and then getting strafed by one with all that concentrated firepower because it belongs to the "hostile" bases- OUCH!

[AkbarGulag]

Until you have a twin tail B-24, the Privateer is a better option then the Lancaster. B-24's were more prevalent later in the war than the B-17. They had greater range and payload and more were produced than B-17's. They just weren't as tough or good looking.

RSRD has one of these (twin tail) , it is already kitted up for this MOD :yep:

I just let 8 of them fly in while I was on the surface... :o What the hell is that cannon they have Lurker!!! it's INSANE :dead: We need to do something about it, those gunners are pretty accurate. And they seem like explosive rounds.



For Army Air Corps fighters, if you can pick only one for now, I have a suggestion. The best to introduce, as it was the longest used fighter in the pacific would be the P-38.

I believe RSRD has a P-38j :cool:



When you have the models to introduce the various types, I'd love to see them in the game.

I have some, using some... they will arrive as soon as I tidy up some layers around Australia, then there will be a ASW_GLOBAL release with all the new goodies (and whatever other MOD that is created with them). It's time to give the U-boat add-on some love :smug:



Do you need help locating 3D models?


That's a great offer. If there is a particular frame that is lacking, I can assure you, you will be remembered :D

[swdw]

Have to look and see, but I may be able to export some of the aircraft from Fighter squadron. If not, I can always ask some of the modders still kickin around if they can do so.

Here's a PARTIAL list of aircraft they had modded. I believe the total wsa over 100 from every major and minor participant. Some of these guys went on to have updated versions rolled into Il2

Some not shown in this list are- the oscar, the tony, every major variant of the zero, every corsair variant, every P-47 variant, P-51 B through D and A-36 Apache, most P-38 variants, and many others. SO if we can swing an export, there's lots of aircraft to pick from.

Australia
Beaufighter 21

Germany
Me Bf 109F-4
Me Bf 109G-6
Me Bf 109K-4
FW 190A-3
FW 190A-8
He 100D-1C
He 162A-2
Ju 88G-7B
Ju 188
Me 163
Mistel 1 (Ju 88A-4XV)
Mistel 3 (Ju 88A-4XV)

Great Britain
Beaufighter I
Beaufighter VI
Beaufighter X
Corsair II
Lancaster I (Special)

Poland
PZL P.11c

United States
A-36A Apache
B-17F Flying Fortress
F4U-4 Corsair
P-38F Lightning


The planes in the British and Commonwealth Legacy PlanePack Legacy PlanePack v4.0 are:

Australia
CA-17 Mustang
Mosquito FB RAAF
Spitfire VC vBeta1
Spitfire VIII vBeta1

Canada
Lancaster III with H2S

Great Britain
Barracuda
Defiant Dayfighter
Defiant Nightfighter
Lancaster B II
Manchester I
Manchester IA vBeta2
Mosquito Bomber
Mosquito F II
Mosquito Photo Recce
Mosquito VI Invasion
Mosquito XVIII
Spitfire VB LF vBeta1
Spitfire XIV vDaveHunt
Stirling v3.9
Swordfish
Tempest vBeta2
Wellington (Coastal Command)
Wellington X
Whirlwind II


The planes in the Axis Legacy PlanePack v3.0 are:

Germany
Ar 196
Do 17Z vBeta7
FW 190A-5 U13
FW 190A-6 R15
FW 190F-8 R
He 111H-6 vJuly2003)
He 177 Greif vAlpha
He 219 Uhu vBeta4
Ju 87B-2 Stuka vAlpha
Ju 87D-1 Stuka
Ju 88C-6
Me 262U-4
Me 262V-2
Me 262V-83
Me Bf 109F-2 Trop
Me Bf 109G-5 Trop
Me Bf 110C-4
Me Bf 110G-2

Italy
Ju 87 Stuka
Mc 202

Japan
A6M3 Zero
Ki-61
Ki-100


The planes in the Allied Legacy PlanePack v3.0 are:

France
P-39 Airacobra
P-47 Thunderbolt

Soviet Union
IL-2
La-3 vBeta1.0upgrade01
La-5
La-7
P-39Q Airacobra

United States
B-24 Liberator
B-25J Mitchell
F4U-1 Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F4U-2 CorsairP-26 Peashooter
P-38L Lightning
P-39 Airacobra
P-47C Thunderbolt
PBY-5a Catalina
SBD-5 Dauntless

[denis_469]

Have to look and see, but I may be able to export some of the aircraft from Fighter squadron. If not, I can always ask some of the modders still kickin around if they can do so.

Here's a PARTIAL list of aircraft they had modded. I believe the total wsa over 100 from every major and minor participant. Some of these guys went on to have updated versions rolled into Il2

Some not shown in this list are- the oscar, the tony, every major variant of the zero, every corsair variant, every P-47 variant, P-51 B through D and A-36 Apache, most P-38 variants, and many others. SO if we can swing an export, there's lots of aircraft to pick from.

Australia
Beaufighter 21

Germany
Me Bf 109F-4
Me Bf 109G-6
Me Bf 109K-4
FW 190A-3
FW 190A-8
He 100D-1C
He 162A-2
Ju 88G-7B
Ju 188
Me 163
Mistel 1 (Ju 88A-4XV)
Mistel 3 (Ju 88A-4XV)

Great Britain
Beaufighter I
Beaufighter VI
Beaufighter X
Corsair II
Lancaster I (Special)

Poland
PZL P.11c

United States
A-36A Apache
B-17F Flying Fortress
F4U-4 Corsair
P-38F Lightning


The planes in the British and Commonwealth Legacy PlanePack Legacy PlanePack v4.0 are:

Australia
CA-17 Mustang
Mosquito FB RAAF
Spitfire VC vBeta1
Spitfire VIII vBeta1

Canada
Lancaster III with H2S

Great Britain
Barracuda
Defiant Dayfighter
Defiant Nightfighter
Lancaster B II
Manchester I
Manchester IA vBeta2
Mosquito Bomber
Mosquito F II
Mosquito Photo Recce
Mosquito VI Invasion
Mosquito XVIII
Spitfire VB LF vBeta1
Spitfire XIV vDaveHunt
Stirling v3.9
Swordfish
Tempest vBeta2
Wellington (Coastal Command)
Wellington X
Whirlwind II


The planes in the Axis Legacy PlanePack v3.0 are:

Germany
Ar 196
Do 17Z vBeta7
FW 190A-5 U13
FW 190A-6 R15
FW 190F-8 R
He 111H-6 vJuly2003)
He 177 Greif vAlpha
He 219 Uhu vBeta4
Ju 87B-2 Stuka vAlpha
Ju 87D-1 Stuka
Ju 88C-6
Me 262U-4
Me 262V-2
Me 262V-83
Me Bf 109F-2 Trop
Me Bf 109G-5 Trop
Me Bf 110C-4
Me Bf 110G-2

Italy
Ju 87 Stuka
Mc 202

Japan
A6M3 Zero
Ki-61
Ki-100


The planes in the Allied Legacy PlanePack v3.0 are:

France
P-39 Airacobra
P-47 Thunderbolt

Soviet Union
IL-2
La-3 vBeta1.0upgrade01
La-5
La-7
P-39Q Airacobra

United States
B-24 Liberator
B-25J Mitchell
F4U-1 Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F4U-2 CorsairP-26 Peashooter
P-38L Lightning
P-39 Airacobra
P-47C Thunderbolt
PBY-5a Catalina
SBD-5 Dauntless

Not bad unit list...

[LukeFF]

One plane that is a must for PTO ops is the B-25. This was the plane that revolutionized low-level anti-shipping attacks against Japanese shipping.

[LukeFF]

Not bad unit list...

Was it really necessary for you to quote the whole list again?