[REQ] Playable japanese sub

[miner1436]

PRE PRE ALPHA version of playable Sen Toku aka I-400 class is up.

Link1:http://files.filefront.com/Sen+Toku+modrar/;9748817;/fileinfo.html
Link2:http://rapidshare.com/files/96829200/Sen_Toku_mod.rar.html

This is a pre alpha, which means it has many flaws, but with your help it can be perfect! If you can help with this mod in any way please contact me or post here.

WHAT WE NEED NOW: a working skin.

Thanks: Miner

[tonibamestre]

:up: Thats an excellent idea! Introducing the I type jap sub and the midget submarines,why not.But if the comunity modders allow me we can go further forward,could be achievable a great mod implementing these new units and adding more compartments for ALL the existing ones?Imagine the 3D enviroment if some more stations were implemented,I dont know,Officer or Captain quarters,machinery or torpedo room.....,figure out.

So,we have now something to discuss about in the next months.

:D

[andycaccia]

A japanese sub would be exciting...with an appropriate japanese sided campaign of course.
But a single sub is a good addition and it will give us something to start from:arrgh!:

[M. Sarsfield]

It would be cool to have the sub with the plane hangar, too, just for craps and grins. Send out your Pete to find juicy Ami targets.

[M. Sarsfield]

Here's a website that lists all of the different IJN subs...

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ss.htm

[andycaccia]

It would be cool to have the sub with the plane hangar, too, just for craps and grins. Send out your Pete to find juicy Ami targets.

Yes, and with the air recon ability introduced with the upcoming expansion we could create a mod wich allows the sub to surface and launch its own recognition seaplane!!:arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!:

[M. Sarsfield]

In general, I would like to see these Jap boats roaming the Pacific as an added threat to the US missions, as well. You never know when Bungo Pete might have an underwater helper waiting to say hello.

The KD classes were based on German WWI designs (U-139) and the L4 class were based on the British L Class design. These would probably be easier to model, since there's probably more information on their european counterparts.

[andycaccia]

Japanese used many different types of submarines, a nice step forward would be recreating just a few ones...the most important models for example.

[M. Sarsfield]

Yeah. The link I posted earlier shows all of the types. I just mentioned the KDs and L4 to make it easier on the modelers.

[miner1436]

I myself would like to see a B3 class, looks almost like an American early war tambor class. And also a KD class.

[andycaccia]

J class submarine cruisers and/or A type first class submarine carriers!!
Also some C type long range transport/combat boats wuold be very nice...some of the most advanced subs in the japanese navy!:arrgh!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Navy_submarines

[miner1436]

Who will take on the challenge of making them?:arrgh!:

[difool2]

It is inconceivable to me that nobody has ever tried to mod them as human-drivable, so anybody who has attempted same is free to chime in here with a list of obstacles, bugs, and missing features they encountered.

[miner1436]

Found this image of the I-58 foward torpedo room.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/I-58TorpedoRoom.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/I-58TorpedoRoom.jpg)

[miner1436]

It took me 3 hours to modify this picture: Japanese B class submarine I-35 plans.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1369/bclassblueprintswj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)
and a shot of another B class
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9206/japcgihulljs2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

Im hoping someone will make a B class, they were the most numerous.

And a 3D model of one

http://all3models.brinkster.net/th/1/2/2785.pnghttp://all3models.brinkster.net/th/2/2/2785.png

[zaza]

I have plans Jyunsen B.

If someone need to make IJN sub for SH4 ,
I will give you data.

[Sailor Steve]

Who will take on the challenge of making them?:arrgh!:
Will they have the correct interiors? Voices?

UBI did the German boats because their patterns were already made, therefore easy to transfer. I think it's a preliminary to a new Atlantic campaign, with SH4 standards.

[nikimcbee]

They have made playable cold war subs so why not a japanese WWII one.:yep: I personally thought they would have made a japanese sub add on instead of a U-boat one, U-boats belong in the atlantic.

You are my hero! I would love this, even if Jap subs weren't any good. I have a bunch of Japanese submarine books, if you need anything, let me know.:up:

I think it would be cool if they did a Japanese campaign for the Solomons 1942-43.

[nikimcbee]

It took me 3 hours to modify this picture: Japanese B class submarine I-35 plans.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1369/bclassblueprintswj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)
and a shot of another B class
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9206/japcgihulljs2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

Im hoping someone will make a B class, they were the most numerous.

And a 3D model of one

http://all3models.brinkster.net/th/1/2/2785.pnghttp://all3models.brinkster.net/th/2/2/2785.png

Nice!

[miner1436]

I just had an idea, using Pack3D we could replace the 3D model of a current US sub with the Sent-Toku class sub 3D model.

[Xantrokoles]

i tested it but it doesn't work because the sen toku has no nodes for conning,the player and the crew dummies...

[DeepIron]

I just had an idea, using Pack3D we could replace the 3D model of a current US sub with the Sent-Toku class sub 3D model.
Nope... SH4 .dat files are different. Pack3D doesn't work properly with 'em. You should look for Skwasjers' S3D utility but I don't think it packs .dats as far as geometry is concerned yet. And, creating new vessels is more complex than that because you have to contend with all the other support files that describe the new sub. You might modify existing US sub files like we've looked at doing for new IJN vessels.
I started creating new surface vessels months ago as did a few other guys, but as far as I know, we still can''t pack sh4 .dat files yet...

Good luck and keep tryin' tho'...:up:

[miner1436]

I found a way:|\\

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7158/sh4img20080229002752078wd7.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5362/sh4img20080229002742608xk7.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2216/sh4img20080229002842064qk8.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1649/sh4img20080229002911831qe4.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

[Lagger123987]

So when is this going to be release?:hmm:

[Friedmann]

Will definitely be following this with interest. With the U-Boat missions addon it should be a lot easier now to get working Japanese subs in game. :rock:

[miner1436]

Got the props and rudder worinkg but I dont know how to get the skin to work.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9893/sh4img20080229164840296ua2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5373/sh4img20080229164829265xv1.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

[keltos01]

hi, would it now possible to mod a fully working japanese sub, as they were used to shell santa barbara and bomb the us mainland too ?

The I25 (see below) has six forward tubes and none aft, had a floatplane on board and bombed the us mainland ! One of these sunk the carrier wasp...

looks like the ijn workhorse. It would especially go well with the uboot mod since we get to use airplanes..

can anyone tell me which programs to use to make such a sub in 3d and how?

to miner 1436 : could it be possible to have a copy of your current jap sub ? I'm dying to play one !


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9b/I-25.jpg/300px-I-25.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I-25.jpg)

[Xantrokoles]

Got the props and rudder worinkg but I dont know how to get the skin to work.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9893/sh4img20080229164840296ua2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5373/sh4img20080229164829265xv1.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)
Have u importet the sen toku 3d model ind a [fleet boat]dat??
I it possible that u uploas an alpha version or mail me the dat file??
It would be cool, cause with ur help we can realize the dream of a Japanese campaign:D

[AkbarGulag]

The line dictating the skin to use is in the Roster .cfg file. The tga should be in the .dat file. I think it is called a material?

I have only linked tga's to small things that reside in the .dats like torpedo's and bombs. Linking torpedo's and bombs to an object requires linking it as a material if using S3D.

I don't know if any of that information helps, i'm pretty noobish at all this. But I love the model of the sub, be great to see it working. Good luck :)

[miner1436]

Added pre pre alpha see post #1.

[GerritJ9]

Downloaded, with thanks!
Now......... who are doing the Japanese speechpack??????????????

[DeepIron]

@miner1436... How did you manage to get all the geometry and texture chunks packed into an sh4 compatible .dat? I know that it was possible to use Pack3D to get *some* of the textures, etc in, but how did you handle the occlusion maps? :hmm:

A number of us tried this some months ago, and Skwasjer's been trying to get it into S3D...

[EDIT] AH, I see You modded the Tambor files... Ok, you're taking the same route we looked at, modding an existing file. Well, hey, that's cool too! :up:

[Xantrokoles]

Added pre pre alpha see post #1.
sorry for my stupid question. i didn't look at the first post again:oops:

[Xantrokoles]

So guys
We got some main Problems:
-the main conning of the tambor class isn't hide by the 3d model
-we don't get the textures working
-we need 3 flaks and one big deckgun
I know...:
-we can use the Uboat2A conning from sh3 as model and then we can move the flaks to their slots
-the textures are there, but they are in the sub hull with the form of a tambor class, but I am not sure, cause i want to make this with a DD and there i saw them
-We can rip the 3 flak model form the addon, so it would be the best when we hit it in the german campaign

Is anyone able to texture it??
I test the thing with a small conning, but iam not sure wether it works

In love^^
Xantro

[Xantrokoles]

Will definitely be following this with interest. With the U-Boat missions addon it should be a lot easier now to get working Japanese subs in game. :rock:
nothing is easier with this addon now
great ha?;)

[DeepIron]

With the U-Boat missions addon it should be a lot easier now to get working Japanese subs in game.
Unless you find a way to pack the necessary geometry and texturing files into an sh4 compatible .dat file, you're not going to succeed... Sh4 .dats have extra information in them that sh3 .dats did not. The 1.5 add-on if anything, made it worse for sh3 modders because the U-boat data has been formatted to the more complex sh4 .dat format...:damn:

[Xantrokoles]

With the U-Boat missions addon it should be a lot easier now to get working Japanese subs in game.
Unless you find a way to pack the necessary geometry and texturing files into an sh4 compatible .dat file, you're not going to succeed... Sh4 .dats have extra information in them that sh3 .dats did not. The 1.5 add-on if anything, made it worse for sh3 modders because the U-boat data has been formatted to the more complex sh4 .dat format...:damn:

Ya I recognized this too:roll: :damn:
Let's come back to momma Sen Toku:
I took a S-class conning and when we have a textured sub it looks vers well!
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2994/sh42008030401321301bz2.png
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6752/sh42008030401322775mm5.png
But we need textures!
I think the campaign could be similar to the german campaign in v1.5

[miner1436]

wow thats looks nice! Could you send me the modified file? Also, do you guys think I should remove the hanging lifeboat?

[miner1436]

Textures sorta work for me but they are purple and dark.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1203/sh4img20080303201945453bb0.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

[keltos01]

As you said, once patched the tambor sub still shows, from all sides..
Maybe we could ask help at ubi directly to patch the jap 3d model ?

Also : is the forward boom always in this position?, because it sticks out of the water when at periscope depth.

[Xantrokoles]

wow thats looks nice! Could you send me the modified file? Also, do you guys think I should remove the hanging lifeboat?
I send u the modified file, when I got the deck gun and the flaks working;)
so I begin to modify the ixd2 conning because of the three flaks
I think u should let the lifeboat because when ur surfaced u can say: hooo how nice
Have u got the addon miner??

[keltos01]

what do you use to modify the coning tower/sub and how?
I know the question is rather wide but I'd like to start modding subs, sepecially ijn:D

[Xantrokoles]

what do you use to modify the coning tower/sub and how?
I know the question is rather wide but I'd like to start modding subs, sepecially ijn:D
I use pack 3D ,Silent 3ditor and wings3d

My situation with our Sen toku:
-I used the Tabor late war conning , it is not completely hidden by the ijn 3d model but when miner gots the textures u don't see it
-two of three flaks are on their positon and working
-the Deck gun is on its position, but it is upside down and i don't get it in right position although i tested it all
-the dive planes are not moveable
now I wait for the textures because when everything is black u can't see anyhing wich means I can't work
good hunt

[miner1436]

Have u got the addon miner??

Yes

[keltos01]

for the gun I propose to ask the ones who set up the second gun on the narwahl, what works on one should on the sen toku

we should also ask help from our russian friends who seem able to model quite a few of their post wwii subs .

[Xantrokoles]

for the gun I propose to ask the ones who set up the second gun on the narwahl, what works on one should on the sen toku

we should also ask help from our russian friends who seem able to model quite a few of their post wwii subs .

When u want a second deck gun i could make it, because in sh4 there are two deck gun slots!
In career u can get a double deck gun(bow and stern) and i know how to make it but we need 3 flaks!;)
So...i think I am able to add another deck gun but first we need textures...
:arrgh!: arr

[miner1436]

Did the Sen Toku have 2 or 3 perisocpes? The stock model shows 3.

[keltos01]

I think the third one might actually be a schnorkel :

http://www.combinedfleet.com/sen_toku.htm

The huge double hull was formed of parallel cylindrical hulls so that it had a peculiar lazy-eight cross section, and may have inspired the Soviet Typhoon-class built some 40 years later. Although aircraft must be considered their primary armament, they also carried a formidable torpedo battery and the usual 14cm deck gun. Anti-aircraft armament included ten 25mm cannons in three triple mounts and one single. Each of these boats had radar and a snorkel.

[keltos01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg

is one already there ?

[Fincuan]

When u want a second deck gun i could make it, because in sh4 there are two deck gun slots!
In career u can get a double deck gun(bow and stern) and i know how to make it but we need 3 flaks!;)
So...i think I am able to add another deck gun but first we need textures...
:arrgh!: arr

At least with fleet boats any kind of gun configurations are easy to achieve via editing the unit's .upc files. You can even separate the double deck gun slot(it's one double slot by default) to two single slots, place any gun in any slot etc.

[keltos01]

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/9301010155?r=9301010155#9301010155l

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=82156&d=1203786784

[miner1436]

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=82156&d=1203786784
I have this 3D model created by Flakmonkey, I am trying to get it to work in the game at the moment.

[Mush Martin]

as an alternative you could give it the twin deckgun upgrade pack
and just swap out the second deck gun for your missing third flak
I put a twin forty on one in testing.
M

[Xantrokoles]

as an alternative you could give it the twin deckgun upgrade pack
and just swap out the second deck gun for your missing third flak
I put a twin forty on one in testing.
M
That was my plan MM:)


I have this 3D model created by Flakmonkey, I am trying to get it to work in the game at the moment.


The model is better than the model in the stock game
it would be cool if u get it working;)

[miner1436]

Well I tried importing it but Pack3D said the value was out of range.

[GerritJ9]

Not sure if Pack3D is 100% compatible with SH4- after all, it was developed for SH3. Better bet is probably Silent3ditor, when full import/export features are ready.

[miner1436]

Pack3D seemed to cause the skin problem, I am close to getting it to work, this means the skin is there but covered by caustics. Seom other guys had the same problem but got it solved, im no good at HEX editing but if someone here could actually get it to work then you would have my thanks!

How they solved it:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=112162&highlight=Pack3D

Current state:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8228/sh4img20080306181146890yh2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

[Xantrokoles]

Pack3D seemed to cause the skin problem, I am close to getting it to work, this means the skin is there but covered by caustics. Seom other guys had the same problem but got it solved, im no good at HEX editing but if someone here could actually get it to work then you would have my thanks!

How they solved it:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=112162&highlight=Pack3D

Current state:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8228/sh4img20080306181146890yh2.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/)

It looks very good...
But when u change the textures out of the dat there is no reaction???

[keltos01]

http://news.webshots.com/album/551294877dRtTJI

also

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-i/i58.htm

[Xantrokoles]

What is the current state of the textures?

[miner1436]

same state, still trying new things.

[M. Sarsfield]

http://news.webshots.com/album/551294877dRtTJI

I was hoping to see some internal shots of the con and conning tower. The other link said access was forbidden.

[keltos01]

I made a small mod changing the specs of the mk14 and mk18 into the ijn type 95 and type 92(e) respectively. It gives them the range and explosive power of the ijn torpedoes.To be used with the sen toku modded out of a tambor. I'm still trying to get the textures to work too.


http://files.filefront.com/Mk+14+type+95+ijnrar/;9797630;/fileinfo.html

[Friedmann]

Keep up the good work guys :)

[tater]

Yeah looks interesting.

[M. Sarsfield]

Once you get the skins fixed you could initally release this as an AI sub. A mod was just released for an AI DIX2 and it would be nice to find and target a Jap sub, also.

[miner1436]

Im out of ideas on how to get the skin to work. Anyone else find a way?

[keltos01]

i m trying to add the missing parts to the stock sen toku but no luck so far...

[M. Sarsfield]

There is a Jap sub already modeled in the game. Could you use its skin?

[miner1436]

There is a Jap sub already modeled in the game. Could you use its skin?

If you are talking about the Sen Toku thats allready in the game then thats the skin ive been trying to link to this project.

[keltos01]

same goes... but it misses nodes to make it functionnal, and I couldn't find how to export the parts I wanted to the tambor file, so I'm back to square one, trying to "fix" the stock non functionning Sen Toku. I thought of filling the sub with the uboot as well, then we need to remove the extra tubes at the rear, add two up front, and it doesn't solve the skin stuff.
If we could just add the missing nodes : weapons etc.., and fit it with a coning tower at the right place..
Is there any way to contact the two guys who built those subs for the game ? couldn't find an email at ubi.
in the meantime there is an ai "jap" sub made by nautilus:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132820

[andycaccia]

But there was a good skin of a I-400 submarine made for SH3. I do not remember where I've seen it but maybe you could use that skin...it was reallu good..

[keltos01]

for additionnal info on the I 400 :
http://www.pacerfarm.org/i-400/

[skwasjer]

Due to the nature of how SH4 renders it's models, you can't reuse SH4 models/dat files with Pack3D. Pack3D (developed for SH3 back in 2005/6) will simply screw the file up, afaik. You can however, try to abuse a SH3 model/dat file as the game still accepts the old style controllers. That said, you'd end up with a SH3 style rendered unit in a SH4 environment, not really worth the effort.

As said by someone else, model import is coming soon. I'm just very limited in my time so I haven't been able to complete this functionality yet. But I've made some succesful imports locally, just to give everyone some confidence. A little bit more patience, once it's out you can all go nuts of the hundreds and hundreds of models in the game. :smug:

[keltos01]

thanks ! dying to get that next release...

[keltos01]

to our russian friends : which files do wee need to change to clone a sh4 sub, then integrate it to the german campaign, the rest (boat specs) I can do alone but have been hitting a wall, since the game crashes everytime I try to patch in a sub mod which would add a jyunsen B type to the german campaign, the boat itself being a balao clone. I think the porpoise could also be implemented as it resembles an early war japanese type.

I'm still trying, I got the russian 627 files and hope to do what they did with the tambor but would like to know what exact changes they made, so as to be able to do the same with another american or german sub, at first using the german complete type 9 and then later on, as skwaster will have completed the import of a 3d file, change it to a real version of the jyunsen.

I got real good blueprints from zaza, a plus a couple good pictures as well, thanks!

If anyone can help, please do.
:damn:

[Navarxos]

Can you download one of these subs and have them to spawn randomly in career mode? I wonder how the SH4 code would handle a possible fight between two subs :hmm: .

[Raptor1]

Das thread ist olden!

Anyway, I think there are a few mods that add AI Submarines to the campaign, have to look around (They can't change their depth or use Torpedoes though)

[Navarxos]

Well here is an idea for a new 1.4 mod...enabling sub fights. The only thing that SH4 missed :yep: .

[keltos01]

in RL subfight did occur, but mainly on the surface : one sub spots another first, fires a salvo and that's it... That we already have with the JAP AI subs, I'd like to see AI fleetboats though, for the axis side of things ;)

[subsailor]

Did the Sen Toku have 2 or 3 perisocpes? The stock model shows 3.

The I-400,I-401,I-14 all had2 periscopes. One approach scope and one attack scope.
The attack scope is the taller of the two and smaller in diameter to make less of a wake in the water.

Check out: http://news.webshots.com/album/551294877dRtTJI
These are photos taken by JM Johnson GM3 who was stationed aboard the I-400 and lead gunners mate. My Dad.

[subsailor]

for additionnal info on the I 400 :
http://www.pacerfarm.org/i-400/

Also link to: http://news.webshots.com/album/551294877dRtTJI

[Nbjackso]

Check out: http://news.webshots.com/album/551294877dRtTJI
These are photos taken by JM Johnson GM3 who was stationed aboard the I-400 and lead gunners mate. My Dad.


VERY VERY COOL photos.:yeah: Thanks for sharing, and welcome aboard, mate.:salute: