Over Flanders Fields

[Rotary Crewman]

I had a quick look at a few pages back on this forum and could not see any recent thread for OFF.

Wondered if anyone is playing this at the minute and would like to tell me is it worth getting?

For those that don't know it - http://offaerodrome.com/OFFweb/

[Biggles]

DL NOW! That's a bloody order! Take it as a friendly advice from someone who has played it. I can barely believe that this masterpiece is a freeware!

[Dowly]

As long as you have the time for it, it's a great game. No autopilot nor time acceleration.

[HunterICX]

Get it,

Its worth it, I just came back from a exciting short mission in Jasta 2 (Crashlanded) but Heck I popped a balloon and got jumped by french airmen while my 2 wingmen where flying there doing completly nothing untill it was too late.

now if you excuse me, I go find somehting to shoot my 2 wingmen with


HunterICX

[Rotary Crewman]

As long as you have the time for it, it's a great game. No autopilot nor time acceleration.

Sounds good to me! Downloading as we speak

[TarJak]

You won't regret it. It does take up some time though as there is no TC or Autopilot option which means you have to fly the things yourself all the time. It is quite immersive though as far as the CFS model lets you be.

[Biggles]

You know, there is this X button you can press if you get enough speed at a special altitude, if you press it, you skip to next part where something happens (like for instance, you get attacked).

[zombiewolf]

yep get some altitude dive to gain speed then hit x

[Stealth Hunter]

Meh, download it. Not a bad mod, but it's missing a few things here and there.

A word of advice, though: conform to the settings other players use on their forum. I didn't, and I admitted it. Unfortunately, I was nearly burned alive. Had people swarming all over me criticizing the way I played the game. Never went back there again.

Here's an example (more recent one at that):

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=62873 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=62873)

They jumped on him like a pack of ravaging wolves going for a rabbit. I must agree with him, though (AceHunter). It's just a game...

EDIT:

Also, don't criticize a thing about the mod (textures, sound, anything along those lines). That's not being sarcastic, either.

I've seen people on the forum pull that stuff, and they last maybe two hours before they've got people jabbing broken glass in their ass. Unlike our GWX team (bless 'em), these guys don't take kindly to honest opinions (some do, but be prepared to have a lot of resistance anyway...).

[bookworm_020]

I'll have to get CFS3 now!:roll: You guys have made me want to fly after years of patrols beneath the seas!

[HEMISENT]

I've wanted this for ages but at 500mb no way. My service has a 100mb dl limit. Had to get a friend to mail me GWX 2.0 and that was nowhere near OFF's size. Now if there was a cd/dvd available I'd be more than willing to pay for it.

[CCIP]

Bah, I was looking forward to getting it but the store that had CFS3 on its shelves for ages suddenly got rid of it. Now see if I can find it anywhere :-?

[Rotary Crewman]

Can't find my copy either now. Suppose I best try and find another :damn:

Also, HEMISENT, 100mb download limit!? Whats that all about?

[HEMISENT]

Can't find my copy either now. Suppose I best try and find another :damn:

Also, HEMISENT, 100mb download limit!? Whats that all about?
I live out in the boonies, it's either dial up or satellite dish for internet connection. I have Direcway(now Hughes) sat service. They have a 200mb DL limit(I just checked),something called a "fair access policy". If you exceed the limit they cut your service for 24 hours. Supposedly the only times to DL larger files are between 3am and 6am eastern time. I tried a dl manager but could never get it to work properly.

If I got up in the middle of the night to DL files for a game my wife would then have proof that I'm out of my mind. Right now she only suspects.

If anyone has any ideas I'm open to suggestion.

[Kratos]

could always use a d/load manager something that auto-resumes,that way you could d/load your quota over a few nights.This way you wont get corrupt d/loads,only suggestion i can give ;)

[Stealth Hunter]

WISH GRANTED:

http://getright.com/ (http://getright.com/)

DOWNLOAD MANAGER: AWAY!!!

Everybody gets ONE. Tell 'em, Kratos!

[Kratos]

Yep getright one of the best d/load managers ever,even the new version does torrents and allows uploads etc.

[Oberon]

OFF

Get It, Get It, Get It.

And I've only been playing it for about three quarters of an hour :lol:

[HEMISENT]

Ok, Just DL'd GetRight and installed it. I'll try to get it to work for me. Not too good at getting these kind of things to operate but....

Really want to get OFF so we'll see

Thanks for the link Stealth Hunter!

[Kratos]

If your using firefox d/load the plugin flashgot, then when you click on the d/loads for off it'll direct it to getright,and bobs your uncle :up:

[Oberon]

I have a question, how do you guys manage ground strafing missions? Such as attacks on train yards and army camps? I've done two so far and both of them have resulted in myself and my Sopwith Pup being spread across the fields of France after being transformed into something resembling a sieve.

[Egan]

My favourite flight sim. I love OFF.

Check out the video and features list for Phase 3 over on SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2453693#Post2453693


The one downside is that they are going to go Payware. I guess I've paid far more for games that I haven't played a tenth as much though so I don't really mind. I really like CFS3 anyway (it's still the only game I've got where I can create a mission flying from the south of England to attack U-boat pens in France!) so I'm happy to pay for this.

[Egan]

I've wanted this for ages but at 500mb no way. My service has a 100mb dl limit. Had to get a friend to mail me GWX 2.0 and that was nowhere near OFF's size. Now if there was a cd/dvd available I'd be more than willing to pay for it.
Go over to the mod forums at Sim outhouse. They have a DVD swap scheme there that you can sign up for:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

There is a stickied thread on that page. They're a good bunch and very friendly. Somebody there will be only too happy to help you out.

[nikimcbee]

whoa, this is totally cool! I've gotta get this. So you just buy the microsoft program, then mod over it?

[Oberon]

whoa, this is totally cool! I've gotta get this. So you just buy the microsoft program, then mod over it?

:yep:

[AFRIKAKORPS]

Well I've never actually tried OFF, but now that I finally have decided to give it a go, It seems can't find my CFS 3 disk:damn:.
I must have some bad luck with that game...

[TarJak]

I have a question, how do you guys manage ground strafing missions? Such as attacks on train yards and army camps? I've done two so far and both of them have resulted in myself and my Sopwith Pup being spread across the fields of France after being transformed into something resembling a sieve.I manage them by staing above 1500ft cos any lower and ground fire starts whacking you.

The game only cares that you go to the way points not if you actually kill the ground targets. Also make sure you have your wingmen with you when you go balloon busting cos the officious REMF's will take your hard earned kills off you if your wingmen don't see it happen!:nope:

[Egan]

[quote=Oberon]

The game only cares that you go to the way points not if you actually kill the ground targets. Also make sure you have your wingmen with you when you go balloon busting cos the officious REMF's will take your hard earned kills off you if your wingmen don't see it happen!:nope:
Lol! You are going to love phase 3 then! You now have to fill in claim forms! The more detail you provide, the more it helps you get a confirmation! :D

[GlobalExplorer]

[quote=Oberon]

The game only cares that you go to the way points not if you actually kill the ground targets. Also make sure you have your wingmen with you when you go balloon busting cos the officious REMF's will take your hard earned kills off you if your wingmen don't see it happen!:nope:
Lol! You are going to love phase 3 then! You now have to fill in claim forms! The more detail you provide, the more it helps you get a confirmation! :D

I actually edited the text files because I did not get the claim system.

Sure its a nice feature, but I would prefer they would make it optional. Gamers don't like being forced to do something.

Anyway it's a fantastic mod. I got to play a lot with Phase 2 and even though my PC can not run it on very high settings, the feeling of flying over the front is absolutely unbelievable. Looks like with a new PC and Phase 3 will be even greater experience.

Which leads me to the question, has anyone ordered Phase 3 yet? I see they are taking pre-orders, and the mod is going to cost ~ 50 dollars. I'm sure this sounds like a lot of money, but imo it is going to be worth it - there probably won't be any better WWI sim in years. Ok there might be if Knights of the Sky does not turn out to be vaporware, but thats not certain, and Phase3 is practically finished and it is the best WWI sim available - period.

One can only wonder what could have become of CFS3 if Microsoft had supported it ..

[Egan]

I've pre-ordered already although it seems to be more of a 'Who is interested' type of deal. You send an e-mail with your name, and address and your age and thats it. When the thing is actually released you will receive an email with information of how to pay for it and receive it. They are talking about it being on 2 dvds this time so I seriously doubt it will be a download affair.

Like I said elsewhere 50$ (£25 or so) is, IMO, steep for a mod but very cheep considering how much i am likely to play it. Don't really begrudge them it at all.

I like the claims system in the current phase but i agree that if what they are saying for the new version is true it should probably be optional. I can see it getting old very fast for some people (possibly including me I must add but I'll have to see.) regardless of how irritating it might turn out to be, though, they get my full respect for doing something that, to my mind, has never been done before. That can only be a good thing.

[FIREWALL]

Bah, I was looking forward to getting it but the store that had CFS3 on its shelves for ages suddenly got rid of it. Now see if I can find it anywhere :-?


Everytime I see a thread about OFF I want to run out to get a copy of CFS. Then run into the same problem.

Seems when you don't want it the shelves are full. The when you say what the hell why not. You can't find a copy if your life depended on it.:rotfl:

[Kratos]

Well I've never actually tried OFF, but now that I finally have decided to give it a go, It seems can't find my CFS 3 disk:damn:.
I must have some bad luck with that game...

dont know if you ever got this issue fixed... I had a hell of time with the same prob,what i done was copied the cfs3 exe from the cfs3 folder and renamed it to shell and copied it into the cfs3ww1 over flanders field folder overwriting the existing shell exe ..and bingo it worked :up:

[Radtgaeb]

Does anyone else here use amazon? I ordered CSF3 about three days ago and got it today.....;)

[nikimcbee]

Bah, I was looking forward to getting it but the store that had CFS3 on its shelves for ages suddenly got rid of it. Now see if I can find it anywhere :-?


Everytime I see a thread about OFF I want to run out to get a copy of CFS. Then run into the same problem.

Seems when you don't want it the shelves are full. The when you say what the hell why not. You can't find a copy if your life depended on it.:rotfl:

Bump,

I can't find a copy of CFS3 :damn: , maybe I'll try amazon.

[nikimcbee]

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=combat+flight+sim+3
Now if I only had some damn money right now:roll: .

[Oberon]

WARNING

AFAIK, Over Flanders Fields is now Payware.

So if you do shell out for CFS3, then prepare to shell out again for OFF as the download link for OFF Phase II has been removed I believe.

[Biggles]

WARNING

AFAIK, Over Flanders Fields is now Payware.

So if you do shell out for CFS3, then prepare to shell out again for OFF as the download link for OFF Phase II has been removed I believe.

Indeed. Filthy (but clever) salestrick:nope:

[HunterICX]

I got all the Phase 2 setup files, saved on my HD :cool:
so if you have them setup files still, back them up on a CD.

I dont plan to get Phase III any day soon, I'm still am waiting with fingers crossed for Knights of the Sky :yep:

HunterICX

[STEED]

Pay for a mod. :o

Sorry no, I will stick with Mediterranean Air War which is a free mod for CF3.

[Dowly]

Pay for a mod. :o
Ditto. And removing the links to the phase 2 was a very cheap trick. :nope: Paying for something extra is another thing, forcing ppl to pay for the mod is another. Phase 3 will have to be REAL good to compensate the removing of Phase 2 links.

Personally, I still think the new AI shots were done with human players in MP. CFS3 has sucky AI, the AI shown in the trailer is the best I've seen, nicely done with the same old CFS3 engine. :roll:

And as for the new terrain textures, anyone can do it. All you need is satellite pics, like Google Earth, photoshop and some patience to remove any modern buildings/cars/etc. there might be from the image. Not worth my money.

[Stealth Hunter]

Pay for a mod. :o
Ditto. And removing the links to the phase 2 was a very cheap trick. :nope: Paying for something extra is another thing, forcing ppl to pay for the mod is another. Phase 3 will have to be REAL good to compensate the removing of Phase 2 links.

Personally, I still think the new AI shots were done with human players in MP. CFS3 has sucky AI, the AI shown in the trailer is the best I've seen, nicely done with the same old CFS3 engine. :roll:

And as for the new terrain textures, anyone can do it. All you need is satellite pics, like Google Earth, photoshop and some patience to remove any modern buildings/cars/etc. there might be from the image. Not worth my money.

Relax! I saved the installer files to my computer with god knows how many other people. I'll just upload them somewhere, if you want me to. OFF team has stabbed their fans in the back with such a cheap trick.

Knights of the Sky by Team Gennadich is going to blast OFF out of the air, and she's going to burn nicely...

And OBD Software might be interested to know that the main files used in OFF2, which were edited by them, are copyright of Microsoft Games... editing them and redistributing them is illegal.

[Biggles]

Then ofcourse....the internet is a big place...:I'm sure that after OFF P3 is released, you may find it on some....alternative way...I ain't saying how mind you! But you might find it on an "unofficial" website:hmm:

[Dowly]

Then ofcourse....the internet is a big place...:I'm sure that after OFF P3 is released, you may find it on some....alternative way...I ain't saying how mind you! But you might find it on an "unofficial" website:hmm:

:arrgh!: :up:

[Stealth Hunter]

Then ofcourse....the internet is a big place...:I'm sure that after OFF P3 is released, you may find it on some....alternative way...I ain't saying how mind you! But you might find it on an "unofficial" website:hmm:
:arrgh!: :up:

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg386/daddyberge/work/PIRACY.jpg

[Dowly]

Then ofcourse....the internet is a big place...:I'm sure that after OFF P3 is released, you may find it on some....alternative way...I ain't saying how mind you! But you might find it on an "unofficial" website:hmm:
:arrgh!: :up:
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Mind I just add that at times, it is the only way to get something that any place doesnt sell anymore. No losses for the company, no harm done. :yep:

[Stealth Hunter]

That's true. OFF2 was free to begin with. Nobody was charged for it, and that's the way it should be. If the files were redistrubuted, and I did not sell nor take credit for the work, I am not breaking the law.

[nikimcbee]

That's true. OFF2 was free to begin with. Nobody was charged for it, and that's the way it should be. If the files were redistrubuted, and I did not sell nor take credit for the work, I am not breaking the law.

Since OFF2 was free, is it possible to get the files from you guys?

[Biggles]

Then ofcourse....the internet is a big place...:I'm sure that after OFF P3 is released, you may find it on some....alternative way...I ain't saying how mind you! But you might find it on an "unofficial" website:hmm:
:arrgh!: :up:
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Here is the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :arrgh!:

[Stealth Hunter]

Since OFF2 was free, is it possible to get the files from you guys?

Perhaps...

[nikimcbee]

Since OFF2 was free, is it possible to get the files from you guys?

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Sure, I just need to buy the microsoft half of the game.:roll:

[Biggles]

Boy, you know, for some reason the adventures from OFF is more worthy to tell about than from other fligthsims.

Yesterday, I took on myself one of the genuine suicide missions: Balloon busting.

So I took of from Saint-Pol-sur-Mer in my Nieuport 17, flying from RNAS-8.
I went to a high altitude, coming over the front, I could see the yellow gas monster far below me, on the other side of the front (Naturally). I thought I'd do it fast and painfree, didn't want to linger in the area. I went down in a mighty dive. Just when I thought "Boy I'm lucky there is no escort flights in the area" I saw a big group of Albatroses dive out of the sun. Bummer, I thought, but I went on. I got about 2000 meters from the balloon when I commenced fireing, and down it went. Then I turned like a rocket towards my own lines. I tried to get some altitude so the Jerries on the ground wouldn't get a new target to practice on. As I went over the first line of the British trenches, I could here gunfireing behind me. Sure enough, one of the Jerry pilots (probably a rookie) had chased me back to my own lines, on an altitude not more than 3000 meters. Not a very wise decision, I'm sure you'd agree. So, to make a long story short, I shot him in flames, and the Tommies at the Somme had at least something to talk about before the night of terror could begin. When I came back to base, I filed in my claims (one balloon, one Albatros). The HomeOffice said that they'd process the claim about the airplane, but apparently noone from the division had seen me take down the balloon, so they had to deny that one:shifty:

[Dowly]

Boy, you know, for some reason the adventures from OFF is more worthy to tell about than from other fligthsims.

Yesterday, I took on myself one of the genuine suicide missions: Balloon busting.

So I took of from Saint-Pol-sur-Mer in my Nieuport 17, flying from RNAS-8.
I went to a high altitude, coming over the front, I could see the yellow gas monster far below me, on the other side of the front (Naturally). I thought I'd do it fast and painfree, didn't want to linger in the area. I went down in a mighty dive. Just when I thought "Boy I'm lucky there is no escort flights in the area" I saw a big group of Albatroses dive out of the sun. Bummer, I thought, but I went on. I got about 2000 meters from the balloon when I commenced fireing, and down it went. Then I turned like a rocket towards my own lines. I tried to get some altitude so the Jerries on the ground wouldn't get a new target to practice on. As I went over the first line of the British trenches, I could here gunfireing behind me. Sure enough, one of the Jerry pilots (probably a rookie) had chased me back to my own lines, on an altitude not more than 3000 meters. Not a very wise decision, I'm sure you'd agree. So, to make a long story short, I shot him in flames, and the Tommies at the Somme had at least something to talk about before the night of terror could begin. When I came back to base, I filed in my claims (one balloon, one Albatros). The HomeOffice said that they'd process the claim about the airplane, but apparently noone from the division had seen me take down the balloon, so they had to deny that one:shifty:

Sounds like another day in the office for me in IL2. My usual offline sortie goes something like this:

-Briefing, escort them JU88s to someplace,somehow.
-Take off
-2min later, I give the bombers the finger and head alone (in best case I have a wingman, usually dont) towards the frontlines.
-Over the front, I spot either a small group of fighters or C47s, going in.
-Bag one, about to give the other one lead poisoning when I glance to my 6 and see 10+ fighters on me.
-Radio for help, incase I have an wingman, I order him to attack and leave him there while going low and fast to home.
-Get hit and either make a crashlanding or find the nearest airbase to put my bird down.

13 sorties flown, I think 2 safe landings without damage, 4 kills. :p

[Biggles]

You must be very popular amongst the airfield personnel.:rotfl: :rotfl:

[HunterICX]

You must be very popular amongst the airfield personnel.:rotfl: :rotfl:

Dont worry, they get used to it ;)

weird, I can land fine in any situation with OFF :p but in IL2 I still manage to goof up.

HunterICX

[HunterICX]

On other News,

there will be no more mentioning of sharing Phase II around here,
on the official OFF website the following message:

PREVIOUS PHASE 2 WEBSITE AND DOWNLOADS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE
However Phase 2 is still available if you ask in our OFFICIAL FORUM (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?f=8) - there is a DVD swap sticky thread there where you can ask!
* PLEASE DO NOT HOST OUR FILES ON OTHER SITES *
- THIS IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT and COPYRIGHT OBD SOFTWARE -


Its copyrighted material and we will have to respect it.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

See, they´re tossers. :yep:

[Tchocky]

You must be joking.

I've been waiting to fire up CFS3 (a game I hate) just to play this game. Now that I've got a halfway-decnt internet connection to d/l this mod, they make it payware.


:dead:

[HunterICX]

:-? I know how that feels,
sucks indeed but there is little we can do about it.
you still can get Phase II by swapping out DVD's I dont know how it works but you could perhaps find it out urself on their forum.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

you still can get Phase II by swapping out DVD's I dont know how it works but you could perhaps find it out urself on their forum.

Lol, yeh. That's the ridiculous part of this, you can still get it on DVD, but you cant D/L it. The devs are getting nothing from the DVD swap as it's done between the players. What's the point? :nope:

Only reason (although almost as stupid as P3 being payware) I can think of is that they are pulling out the links so they dont have to pay to upkeep the files, I think they were using rapidshare the last time I downloaded it. How about spreading the files around abit the next time? I bet they could get lots of hosts for free that would love to host it.

[FIREWALL]

Thought something like this would happen.
Instead of buying Microcrap to play it I bought this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Eagles-Great-Air-1918/dp/B000JG7C24/ref=sr_1_1/203-8904742-7140753?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1211475386&sr=1-1

edit: This is also available http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3360931/WWI-Fighters/Product.html

[Tchocky]

you still can get Phase II by swapping out DVD's I dont know how it works but you could perhaps find it out urself on their forum.
Lol, yeh. That's the ridiculous part of this, you can still get it on DVD, but you cant D/L it. The devs are getting nothing from the DVD swap as it's done between the players. What's the point? :nope:

Only reason (although almost as stupid as P3 being payware) I can think of is that they are pulling out the links so they dont have to pay to upkeep the files, I think they were using rapidshare the last time I downloaded it. How about spreading the files around abit the next time? I bet they could get lots of hosts for free that would love to host it.
They could just put up a torrent tracker. Best way to keep the file going.
Not sure how they'd make it payware, mind.

Still angry about this. I almost never stick my head into this forum, and when i do it destroys my dreams :p

[HunterICX]

I think its effort wise planned,

if you have the effort to get Phase II on a Disc from swapping, why not get Phase III?
its the same effort but ones costs a bit more $$$

HunterICX

[Dowly]

I think its effort wise planned,

if you have the effort to get Phase II on a Disc from swapping, why not get Phase III?
its the same effort but ones costs a bit more $$$

HunterICX
I see nothing wise in it. It just makes it slower, why wait days when you could get it in few hours if downloadable? What about if someone doesnt have an DVD drive? "Ooops, sorry, you cant enjoy the mod!" :down:

@Tchocky

True that, torrent + few sites to host it would be the best combination for a mod that size.

As for the part, how it would be handled, it would need an private tracker, AFAIK, even if you have the .torrent file, you still cant download it if the tracker requires registration. Lots of private trackers work this way.

[Biggles]

Dangerous waters matey. Be careful will ya'?:arrgh!:

[FIREWALL]

Thought something like this would happen.
Instead of buying Microcrap to play it I bought this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Eagles-Great-Air-1918/dp/B000JG7C24/ref=sr_1_1/203-8904742-7140753?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1211475386&sr=1-1

edit: This is also available http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3360931/WWI-Fighters/Product.html





bump

[nikimcbee]

okay, I ordered CFS3:roll: . Should come next week.

Now, phase 2 or phase 3?

[nikimcbee]

Phase 3 =$50 WTF:damn: :stare:

[Stealth Hunter]

Phase 3 =$50 WTF:damn: :stare:

No more Piracy Jokes,
thanks

[nikimcbee]

Phase 3 =$50 WTF:damn: :stare:
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[XabbaRus]

Interesting discussion though I think allusions to piracy should be avioded even if you are kidding around. for my tuppence worth OFFIII will be available in unspoken of areas I'm sure. I'll even hazard a guess to say the OFFIII mod makers won't make that much money out of it.

[HunterICX]

Read our policy guys, piracy discussion is a No-No
even as a joke, so please don't.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

TRY TO STOP ME!

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Long ago, when sailing ships ruled the waves, a captain and his crew were in danger of being boarded by a pirate ship. As the crew became frantic, the captain bellowed to his First Mate, "Bring me my red shirt!". The First Mate quickly retrieved the captain's red shirt, which the captain put on and lead the crew to battle the pirate boarding party. Although some casualties occurred among the crew, the pirates were repelled.

Later that day, the lookout screamed that there were two pirate vessels sending boarding parties. The crew cowered in fear, but the captain calm as ever bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!". The battle was on, and once again the Captain and his crew repelled both boarding parties, although this time more casualties occurred.

Weary from the battles, the men sat around on deck that night recounting the day's occurrences when an ensign looked to the Captain and asked, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before the battle?". The Captain, giving the ensign a look that only a captain can give, exhorted, "If I am wounded in battle, the red shirt does not show the wound and thus, you men will continue to fight unafraid". The men sat in silence marveling at the courage of such a man.

As dawn came the next morning, the lookout screamed that there were pirate ships, 10 of them, all with boarding parties on their way. The men became silent and looked to their Captain for his usual command. The Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, "Bring me my brown pants!!

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A pirate walks into a bar and the bartender says, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened, you look terrible!"
"What do you mean?" the pirate replies, "I'm fine."
The bartender says, "But what about that wooden leg? You didn't have that before."
"Well," says the pirate, "We were in a battle at sea and a cannon ball hit my leg but the surgeon fixed me up, and I'm fine, really."
"Yeah," says the bartender, "But what about that hook? Last time I saw you, you had both hands."
"Well," says the pirate, "We were in another battle and we boarded the enemy ship. I was in a sword fight and my hand was cut off but the surgeon fixed me up with this hook, and I feel great, really."
"Oh," says the bartender, "What about that eye patch? Last time you were in here you had both eyes."
"Well," says the pirate, "One day when we were at sea, some birds were flying over the ship. I looked up, and one of them shat in my eye."
"So?" replied the bartender, "what happened? You couldn't have lost an eye just from some bird ****!"
"Well," says the pirate, "I really wasn't used to the hook yet."

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What's a horny pirate's worst nightmare?
A sunken chest with no booty!

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A pirate and his parrot, were adrift in a lifeboat following a dramatic escape from a valiant battle. While rummaging through the boat's provisions, the pirate stumbled across an old lamp. Secretly hoping that a Genie would appear, he rubbed the lamp vigorously. To the amazement of the castaways, a Genie came forth. This particular Genie, however, stated that he could only deliver one wish, not the standard three. Without giving any thought to the matter the pirate blurted out, "Make the entire ocean into rum!" The Genie clapped his hands with a deafening crash, and immediately the entire sea turned into the finest rum ever sampled by mortals. Simultaneously, the Genie vanished. Only the gentle lapping of rum on the hull broke the stillness as the two considered their circumstances

The parrot looked disgustedly at the pirate and after a tension-filled moment spoke: "Now yee've done it!! Now we're goon to have to pee in the boat!"


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A young man is captured by pirates and is persuaded to join the crew rather than walk the plank. After a few weeks at sea the captain speaks to the man and asks him how he is getting on. The man replies that on the whole he is enjoying things - the rum-soaked drinking binges, the plundering, etc - but there was one thing missing.

"What's that?" asks the captain.
"Well, there are no women" replies the man.

"Arrr" says the captain "Follow me!" The man follows the captain to what appears to be a barrel, on top of the barrel stands a coconut with a face drawn on and a few strands of wispy straw for hair. On the barrel is a crude outline of a woman's body and between the legs is a bung hole. "We calls her Carmen," says the captain, "and you may take her as you will". The man explains that he was unlikely to make use of her and goes on his way.

However, as the months go by with no respite, Carmen appears more and more attractive to the young man. Finally he can resist her no longer and the man has his wicked way with Carmen the rum barrel. To his amazement the experience is far more satisfying than he could ever have imagined!

The next day the captain greets him again. "How did you get on with Carmen then, lad?" he asks eagerly. The man replies "Rather better than I thought... actually, it was rather good!"

"Good," says the captain, a great beaming smile splitting his black-bearded face. "It's your turn in the barrel tomorrow!"

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There once was a pirate named Bates,
Who danced the Fandango on skates.
He fell on his cutlass
Which rendered him nutless
And practically useless on dates!

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What's really a pirate's favorite letter?
P! Because it's an R, but it's missing a leg!

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A pirate walks into a bar wearing a paper towel on his head. He sits down at the bar and orders some dirty rum.

The bartender asks, "Why are you wearing a paper towel?"

"Arrr..." says the pirate. "I've got a bounty on me head!"

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So a pirate walks into a bar, okay, and swaggers up to the barkeep and demands a glass of rum. I believe his exact words were "Your rum or your life, dog, what'll it be?".

And so the bartender, being a reasonable fellow, makes no complaint but simply grabs a large glass, a bottle of fine dark rum, and begins to pour. And while he's waiting for the glass to fill (this being, as I said before, a large glass) he sizes up the pirate, having never seen a real honest-to-God pirate before.

This pirate is in full pirate gear. Gold earrings, patch over the eye, a big filthy white blouse covering his swarthy chest, tattoos everywhere, all of it. But protruding from his pirate trousers is the unmistakable form of a steering wheel.

Well, the bartender sees that the glass of rum is just about topped off, so he passes the glass across the bar to the pirate, who nods curtly and takes a huge swig of the rum. Slapping a dubloon on the bartop, he turns to walk away, when our bartender's curiousity gets the best of him.

"Wait, one second. What's up with the steering wheel?"

And the pirate turns back and fixes him with a beady glare from his lone eye. "Arrr, I don't know, but it's drivin' me nuts!"


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FIGHT THE SYSTEM! ANARCHY RULES!:rock:

[Biggles]

Dowly, you've been in the brig so many times....

[Kratos]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:you lunatic :rotfl::rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

It's just a joke. We're not trying to do anything here. We're just swapping the epic file "Do What You Want 'Cause a Pirate is Free" in an .swf format.

Jawohl, herr OberSSt.:88)

Oh, and we need to also remove the pirate emoticon. Hey, it's stealing either way you look at it... the difference being 300 years and what happens to the pirates (used to be, you were hanged; now, you are either fined or put in prison). Sometimes I wish it could be like the olden days. Storming a building for file disks with flintlocks and blunderbusses, not to mention brandishing cutlasses and rapiers.

As the old proverb goes, sharing is caring, even if it breaks the law.


Dowly, you've been in the brig so many times....

Putting him in the brig for telling some kid pirate jokes is just stupid as hell. If that happens, then the Somalian pirate news links on the front page need to be removed.

[HunterICX]

the flash with the Pirate song is a P2P fanflick
(HINT: LOL LIMEWIRE!!!) :smug:

there is a mayor difference between Software Piracy and the old Piracy:p ,
old Piracy made sense and you really had to be a tough Man :smug: , the Sofware piracy is a cheap rip off which can be performed by everyone, you just have to be a keyboard hero :88) .

:arrgh!: Harr Harr Harr.
Now mateys, keep it on track
Thank you.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

the flash with the Pirate song is a P2P fanflick
(HINT: LOL LIMEWIRE!!!) :smug:

there is a mayor difference between Software Piracy and the old Piracy:p ,
old Piracy made sense and you really had to be a tough Man :smug: , the Sofware piracy is a cheap rip off which can be performed by everyone, you just have to be a keyboard hero :88) .

:arrgh!: Harr Harr Harr.
Now mateys, keep it on track
Thank you.

HunterICX

What about Keira? :-?

In other news, how does old piracy make sense? In other news, how does old piracy make sense? It's the same as software piracy, except the crackers dont kill ppl in the process. ;)

[HunterICX]

Uuugh....never mind,

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2656/picardnotagainanonibld8.jpg

now back to Over Flanders Field!

HunterICX

[Dowly]

STOP CENSORING THE FARCKING POSTS!! :damn:

[HunterICX]

Then stop fooling around and bring this thread back on track.

so again, back to Over Flanders Field.

edit: post restored, my bad.

HunterICX

[nikimcbee]

Okay, it arrived today (CFS3) now what? I can't download phase 2 and 3 isn't out yet.:roll:

[Biggles]

Patience!

[nikimcbee]

Okay, it arrived today (CFS3) now what? I can't download phase 2 and 3 isn't out yet.:roll:

I installed it...
Played it for 30 min...
...and went straight back to Il-2:up:

So Phase 3 will be a vast improvement over the original, yes.

[Stealth Hunter]

Can't blame you for not liking OFF.

There's really not as much to it as they like to think and say. They are also pretty biased about their mod, as are the users. I posted this a few pages back, but one guy on their forum posted screenshots, and didn't use the same realism settings that they used. He was caught, and they nearly tore him to pieces with criticism, negative feedback, and arrogant remarks.

He hasn't posted back on their site since, and I quite frankly can't blame him.

Oh, and their mod is bugged like hell. When I played it, I had files disappear, files not read correctly (even when I didn't touch them), and errors appear galore. Nothing is wrong with my computer... despite what they claimed... They said it wasn't the mod's fault, it was in fact my computer's fault.:roll: I'm not impressed with their "work", if one might call it that, at all. I think my favorite claim made by them is that no computer to date is able to run their mod with everything on full and still take advantage of everything in the game itself (according to them, it would be too laggy and objects would automatically be written out by the graphical engine's coding system).

The confirmed kill system is ridiculous, too! I've shot planes down over my airfield, and haven't gotten a damned bit of credit for them. I was excited when I first saw the mod, but after a while, it just got repetitive, and the errors that shouldn't have been occurring didn't help at all, either.

Their team can burn in hell. Forcing us to pay $50 bucks for a mod is outright robbery, and it's also illegal, too, since they edited Microsoft's original files without Microsoft's consent and re-distributed them, or so I've been informed. I'm pretty sure that they'd be interested in hearing the things OBD Software has been up to...

[GlobalExplorer]

I agree that their applications suck pretty badly, they clearly were written by an amateur. They use Visual Basic and stuff like that, and their installer for Phase 2 was a pain in the ass that was not working for the majority of people.

However, you are saying that the mod itself is overrated, and I disagree strongly. Once you sit in the plane, you see the best landscape in any flight sim (when it comes to flying low), a game world that is vast and dynamic (artillery explosions, infantry tents, etc). Sounds and graphics are fantastic and the fms, while being no more than average, are good enough for people like me. For me this is the best WW1 experience I ever hoped for.

As to their community I cannot say I am very interested in them, and I don't like some things they did about their mod in the past, but this is not the only flightsim community I don't like.

So what, they will fail anyway with their dreams of commercializing the mod, so we might see it in the public domain sooner or later.

[Biggles]

One thing about OFF is that it's more interesting than other flightsims. I get more involved. I vare more about my pilot than I would in, for example, IL-2. My current active pilot (Major James Bigglesworth, VC, RNAS-8) has survived 6 months at the front, being sent to hospital twice. 42 claims, 28 comfirmed. It is now march 1917, and the war rages on...and I do NOT want to say g'bye to this one lads. I'm more careful than ever. I do myt duties, but I do not fly into big groups of 12+ enemy planes like I used to do. Now I think more before I act, and it has proven to be good for my health:yep:

[GlobalExplorer]

Well, any sim is more involving than IL2 when it comes to pilot careers.

About the claim system and the stupid attempt to force survival gameplay on me, I just edited my pilot files in order to see the proper number of kills.

It would be nice though if they would stop encrypting stuff (like the squadron data), that is very bad style for a modding group.

[Biggles]

KotS is still alive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05j7VLlEjFU&feature=related
Look at the date this was added. It looks pretty good too!:D

[Stealth Hunter]

Good. When KotS comes out, OFF will be dead, even though their forum community says it won't be. Incompetent fools can't even realize when they've been outmatched.:rotfl: :roll:

[FIREWALL]

I'm a firm believer ..... You only get as much as you pay for.

And even when you pay for it. It can still be crap. :p

[Stealth Hunter]

That's actually a pretty good motto to live by.:up:

OFF3 has been hyped like so many other games before that we've had to pay for, and like so many others, I doubt if it will offer any major improvements over its predecessor. Despite some of the outrageous and stupendous claims the team has been making (some of which completely defy the abilities of CFS3's program engine).

Never did like the mod all that much to begin with. I'll take Red Baron 3D's FULL CANVAS JACKET over OFF any day of the week. That was a game that had taste, style, and came at a great price. Too bad nobody plays it anymore. The sites that I used to download a lot of skins off of are now slowly dying, and it is becoming an old relic of the past... but it still was a helluva lotta fun.

[Sigurd]

It's also illegal, too, since they edited Microsoft's original files without Microsoft's consent and re-distributed them, or so I've been informed. I'm pretty sure that they'd be interested in hearing the things OBD Software has been up to...
Wouldn't that make the payware mods for Flight Simulator (pretty much any version) illegal as well?

[Stealth Hunter]

If they edited the core files and then redistributed them, yep, it would.

[Sigurd]

If they edited the core files and then redistributed them, yep, it would.
If that's the case, check out the EULA and License agreement for CFS3. Chances are there's a clause about modifying the game like this. Perhaps then give OFF a chance to remove the pricing? If memory serves, modification and distribution isn't nessicarily illegal, but charging for the distrobution is.

I guess the question is where they crossed the line if they did. Perhaps Microsoft would know?

[HunterICX]

If they edited the core files and then redistributed them, yep, it would.
Phase 3 is perfectly legal as Phase 3 still requires the original CFS3 game as base (discs & Installation) in order to run which makes Phase 3 a Add-on.

its an unnofical Add-on, just like seawolfs battle of the mediterranean.

dont think that OBD is that dumb to challenge Microsoft.

HunterICX

[Stealth Hunter]

When I downloaded OFF, I also got the main CFS3 engine in the main installer of the download (engine and the engine files; found it was possible to run CFS3 via these files without much change save for the loss of my preferences and career files). In that case, it's illegal. Some of the basic coding files had been edited, too (physics files differed from my CFS3 original copy).

OBD, after dealing with them in the past, they aren't as brilliant as they'd like to think. Even then, if it was illegal, it's doubtful Microsoft would even try to remember such an abominable game. They're probably still trying to bury it.

[nikimcbee]

Any news?:hmm:

[Biggles]

After the lengthy install I fire up the mod, try a "quick combat", and now I'm asked to "insert the CFS3 CD please" :o WTF ? It took me a while to figure I could juste ditch the OFF .exe and replace it with the stock CFS.exe renamed.

Yeah well, I experienced that too with my new copy of CFS3. It appears you have to use the second disk from the original release....:doh:

[Biggles]

My system:

Intel Core CPU 6400 2.13 GHz
2GB RAM
Nvidia GF 7950GT OC (I've had some troubles with this card though, gets too warm all the time, freezing up my games when I play...never when I play OFF though).

I'll have to look up my specs. for OFF later on, don't know right now, but I agree that the game looks pretty neat from time to time!:D

[GSpector]

Any updates on the newest phase?

[Subtype Zero]

Found this update today. OFF 3 has gone to external beta! I've been waiting for this since RB3D!

We have basically met every one of our design goals and at this moment in time I am building a Beta3 build which, apart from going out to the team for final testing, is also being sent out to a few select chosen SOH users for external beta test - you know who you are!

Drop into http://www.overflandersfields.com/info.htm and refresh your browsers to see what the latest is .

Updated 1 September 2008


OVER FLANDERS FIELDS: BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL

A NEW EXPERIENCE IN EPIC WW1 DOGFIGHT ACTION with STUNNING DETAIL

FEATURES, IN BRIEF

• NEW DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED AI FOR FULL ON COMBAT

• HIGH RES FULLY SEASONAL RENDERED SCENERY

• AUTHENTIC, FULLY DYNAMIC CHANGABLE WEATHER

• HISTORICAL MOVING FRONT LINES and TERRAIN / TOWN DAMAGE

• TOTALLY NEW FULL CAMPAIGN ENGINE and MANAGER

• 100's OF SQUADRONS TO JOIN AND FLY

• 39 FLYABLE AIRCRAFT

• HISTORICALLY ASSIGNED SQUADRON CRAFT

• 3000+ HISTORICALLY RESEARCHED AIRCRAFT PAINTWORKS

• FLY ALONGSIDE ACES, WITH AUTHENTIC AIRCRAFT PAINTED AS THEY WERE IN 1915-18.

• INTENSE DETAIL: REAL FLIGHTS FROM REAL BASES FROM REAL SQUADRONS ON REAL ASSIGNED MISSIONS

• UP TO 226 AIRCRAFT (SCALABLE AND FURTHER EXPANDABLE!) IN THE AIR AT A TIME

• REAL BATTLES OCCUR AT THE CORRECT TIME AT THE FRONT

• MISSION REPLAY (REPLAY THE TIMELINE OF THE LAST MISSION)

• NEW ESCORT MISSIONS AND TWO SEATERS

• NEW and IMPROVED AIRCRAFT (See details on website)

• NEW MUSIC & ARTWORK : ORIGINAL SCORE by MATT MILNE

TOTAL REVISION MAJOR IMPROVEMENT ON PREVIOUS PHASES

MANY MANY MORE FEATURES and IMPROVEMENTS

http://www.overflandersfields.com/features.htm (http://www.overflandersfields.com/features.htm)

[GSpector]

Wow, thanks for the update.

I hope the release date is soon.:up:

[Subtype Zero]

September 7, 2008

2 New OFF Preview Movies Available!!

Downloading now. Get them here: http://www.overflandersfields.com/movies.htm

[GSpector]

September 7, 2008

2 New OFF Preview Movies Available!!

Downloading now. Get them here: http://www.overflandersfields.com/movies.htm


W:ow. they both looked awesome:yep:

[Subtype Zero]

Yes, OFF looks promising. In the videos, did you notice the working rockets and exhaust smoke from the two-seaters? Here are some more details about phase 3:

TOTALLY NEW FULL CAMPAIGN ENGINE Standalone Dynamic Campaign Engine that FULLY replaces the CFS3 campaign system.

HISTORICAL MOVING FRONT LINES and TERRAIN / TOWN DAMAGE

UP TO 226 AIRCRAFT (SCALABLE AND FURTHER EXPANDABLE!) IN THE AIR AT A TIME

AUTHENTIC, FULLY DYNAMIC CHANGEABLE WEATHER

Fully Dynamic weather - weather changes as player flies - in real time.

Historical weather mode

Moving front lines and creeping damage and dereliction

Mission Replay system - watch your recorded mission data play out on a 2D map viewed top down to see how you fared in your last mission

Join and fight in any of nearly 60 British, 103 German, 80 French and 15 American squadrons - including many British and German 2 seater squadrons.

WW1 ground vehicles complete with damage modeling.

Increased allocation and deployment of Observation balloons, and ground units - high resolution Observation balloons and skins, with crew.

Crashed aircraft are now rendered as such - no longer a simple crater decal.

Well over 3000 (yes THREE THOUSAND !) high quality fully researched aircraft textures :sunny:

[Subtype Zero]

Flyable aeroplane units featured in OFF:
Allied Single Seaters/Fighters:

Bristol F2B (fighter role) NEW For P3!
Bristol M1C - NEW For P3!
Bristol Scout
DH2
DH2 Late
Nieuport N11 "Bebe"
Nieuport N16
Nieuport N17
Royal Aircraft Factory Se5a - Hipsano engine - Enhanced For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory Se5a - Viper engine - Enhanced For P3!
Sopwith Pup
Sopwith Triplane - Enhanced for P3
Sopwith Triplane Twin Guns - NEW For P3!
Sopwith Camel - Enhanced For P3!
Spad VII - Enhanced For P3!
Spad XIII - Enhanced For P3!

Allied 2 Seaters or Bombers:

Bristol F2B (bomber/reccy role) - NEW For P3!
Sopwith 1&1/2 Strutter 2 seater
Sopwith 1&1/2 Strutter single seater fighter/bomber variant
Royal Aircraft Factory FE2b - NEW For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory RE8 - redone - BRAND NEW model For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory BE2C - NEW For P3!

German Single seaters:

Albatros DII
Albatros DIII early
Albatros DIII
Albatros DV and variants
Albatros DVa and variants
Fokker DR1
Fokker DVII
Fokker DVIIF
Fokker EIII
Halberstadt DII - NEW For P3!
Pfalz DIIIa

German 2 seaters or bombers:

DFW CV- NEW For P3!
Hannover CL IIIa - Enhanced For P3! (new Virtual cockpit!)
Roland CII Walfisch - NEW For P3!
Plus many other AI planes!

[Subtype Zero]

More:
Vehicle and Ground unit list for P3:

Allied:

Whippet Tank - NEW For P3!
Mark IV Tank - NEW For P3!
Renault Truck open - NEW For P3!
Renault Truck closed - NEW For P3!
Renault Ambulance - NEW For P3!
Vulcan Truck
Rolls Royce Ambulance
Hay cart
Refugee
Marching Troops
Soldier with rifle (Lee-Enfield 303) - NEW For P3!
Advancing Troops (over no man's land)
Machine Gun Crew
Entrenched Troops with rifles - (Lee-Enfield 303)
Cavalry
18 Pounder Gun
4in Howitzer
Observation Balloon - Enhanced for P3
Revised Trains - Enhanced for P3

German:

A7V Tank - NEW For P3!
Daimler Truck - NEW For P3!
Hay Cart
Refugee
Marching Troops
Soldier with rifle (Mauser) (watch him track and fire at you ;)) - NEW For P3!
Advancing Troops (over no man's land)
Machine Gun Crew
Entrenched Troops with rifles - (Mauser)
Cavalry
Guns
Observation Balloon 1 - NEW For P3!
Observation Balloon 2 - NEW For P3!
Revised Trains - Enhanced for P3

[nikimcbee]

Any updates on the newest phase?

That's good to hear.:up:

[Platapus]

Forgive the dumb question but dumb is what I does bestest.

Is OFF a stand-alone game or is it an online game?

I am hopping for a stand-alone game as I don't really like online games.

From what I have seen on the webpage, this looks like a really fun WWI sim. :up:

[Raptor1]

OFF is a mod for Microsoft's CFS3

[nikimcbee]

OFF is a mod for Microsoft's CFS3

I'm pretty excited about this. (OFF) CFS3 stinks, but OFF looks really good. I e-mailed them, and got a snippy answer back:roll: .

[XabbaRus]

How do you mean snippy?

[Stealth Hunter]

If he means he emailed and was barked at by the OFF mod team, then I wouldn't be surprised. I've said before that many of the people who belong to their forum and who are part of the mod team have ego issues and trouble with arrogance. They won't admit that when Rise of Flight comes out, their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.

[Raptor1]

their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.
It's not *cough*RB3D*cough*

I doubt very much that P3 will beat RB3D (P2 doesn't come close, from what I've seen)

[Kratos]

well for $50 or what ever the hell it is, for a MOD..its gonna stay where it is :yep:

[Platapus]

OFF is a mod for Microsoft's CFS3

I think I did not make myself clear. I know that OFF requires CFS3. I was asking whether this mod is an online game play only or whether it is a single player game. Sorry for the confusion.

[nikimcbee]

If he means he emailed and was barked at by the OFF mod team, then I wouldn't be surprised. I've said before that many of the people who belong to their forum and who are part of the mod team have ego issues and trouble with arrogance. They won't admit that when Rise of Flight comes out, their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.

That's basically it. "It'll be ready when it's ready! don't ask us anymore." They probably get that question a lot.:-?

[Platapus]

It has a fairly rich single player campaign mode, quick encounters and single missions :yep:

excellent. Thanks. With the current trend of online games, it was unclear to me. As a general rule I don't like online games and especially when it comes to Flight Sims as while I love them, I totally stynk at playing them. :88)


I think this looks like a pretty good game. I submitted my information for learning when it will come out.

Any guesses on when it will come out?

[GSpector]

It has a fairly rich single player campaign mode, quick encounters and single missions :yep:

excellent. Thanks. With the current trend of online games, it was unclear to me. As a general rule I don't like online games and especially when it comes to Flight Sims as while I love them, I totally stynk at playing them. :88)


I think this looks like a pretty good game. I submitted my information for learning when it will come out.

Any guesses on when it will come out?

:hmm: Hmm, my best guess is...


when it's ready :up:

[Subtype Zero]

If he means he emailed and was barked at by the OFF mod team, then I wouldn't be surprised. I've said before that many of the people who belong to their forum and who are part of the mod team have ego issues and trouble with arrogance.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have not seen any "ego issues" or "trouble with arrogance" on the part of the OFF development team. From my observation, they have been extremely courteous and friendly to everyone on their forum, at least as far as I can see. They say they do enforce a "no flame war" policy on their board, so it's possible they may have prematurely cut off some discussions in the past, but I have not seen this since I started lurking on their board.

As developers of the mod, they are entitled to the final say on all decisions related to the flavor, design, and performance of the mod. If you don't care for their decisions, don't buy it. You can always design your own super mod. :-?

They won't admit that when Rise of Flight comes out, their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.
Since it will probably be 18 months to two years before RoF comes out, I don't think I can argue with you on that. :p

[Platapus]

:hmm: Hmm, my best guess is...


when it's ready :up:


So you are telling me it will get here just after it arrives? :hmm:

[GSpector]

:hmm: Hmm, my best guess is...


when it's ready :up:


So you are telling me it will get here just after it arrives? :hmm:

I would say that would be pretty close.:yep: :up:



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Is it here yet?? Is it here yet?? Is it here yet?? Is it here yet?? :nope: Nope, not yet

[Stealth Hunter]

If he means he emailed and was barked at by the OFF mod team, then I wouldn't be surprised. I've said before that many of the people who belong to their forum and who are part of the mod team have ego issues and trouble with arrogance. They won't admit that when Rise of Flight comes out, their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.

That's basically it. "It'll be ready when it's ready! don't ask us anymore." They probably get that question a lot.:-?

Jackass.:roll: I hate these modders who respond with that "When it's ready!" bull****. At least TRY to give us an estimate. Game companies do it all the time, so if they can do it, you can too...:nope:

[Biggles]

I can see their annoyance over getting the same question over and over again, but I never, EVER find an excuse for them to be rude about it.

[Platapus]

I can see their annoyance over getting the same question over and over again, but I never, EVER find an excuse for them to be rude about it.

It would be interesting to find out how many callers are rude TO the developers.

I imagine they get some pretty rude callers "demanding" answers.

I might get a little snippy after putting up with rude callers for a few hours.

Does not make being rude right though, but does make it understandable.

[TarJak]

If he means he emailed and was barked at by the OFF mod team, then I wouldn't be surprised. I've said before that many of the people who belong to their forum and who are part of the mod team have ego issues and trouble with arrogance. They won't admit that when Rise of Flight comes out, their mod will no longer be the best WWI flight simulation out there.

That's basically it. "It'll be ready when it's ready! don't ask us anymore." They probably get that question a lot.:-?

Jackass.:roll: I hate these modders who respond with that "When it's ready!" bull****. At least TRY to give us an estimate. Game companies do it all the time, so if they can do it, you can too...:nope:the difference being that game companies EMPLOY their developers to turn up to work and give at least 8 hours a day on the project. This means they can add up how long they think it will take by knowing how much code a dev can handle in that time, plus some fat for troubleshooting, plus testing time, again in the alpha stage with usually paid labour to come up with an estimate. And they still can't come up with an accurate estimate. How many games have shipped on the date the devs said it would? Ever?

I'm not aware of too many modding teams that have the luxury of paid staff that would allow them to make even a not very accurate estimate of when a mod will be ready. :P

Why (particularly when you are not getting paid for your efforts), would you put yourself thru the pain of setting a date, not meeting that date because your graphics guy goes AWOL for a month, then copping all the flak from the community when you don't meet the date. It will always be far easier to roll out the standard line.:roll:

[Kratos]

Some bugger must be getting paid ;) there gonna charge $50 a copy :lol:

[GlobalExplorer]

Just wanted to say that I got P2 running on new Core2. Looks good but not as good as I thought.

I also posted some questions about the installation of P3, not really conclusive answers but at least they have realized they must invest some work:

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2595919#Post2595919

TIP: I would wait until the reports come in and for the time being, enjoy P2.

[Stealth Hunter]

Some bugger must be getting paid ;) there gonna charge $50 a copy :lol:

EXACTLY.:yep:

[GlobalExplorer]

As I said I went out and installed Phase 2 on my new pc.

Being of a somewhat over cautious, opressive convulsive nature I keep everything, so I still have all OFF files and patches backed up. Or so I thought. I found out that I don't have the 1GB skins installer anymore.

But I still have the skin files themselves (on my old pc in the installed and backupped version) and quickly found out how to use them. Save a lot of harddisk space either because you do need only a few files, not the full 2 gigabyte (guess that will come handy too with Phase 3 which has >10 GB textures).

Get the DDS viewer plugin from NVidia.

All you have to do then is locate CFSWW1 Over Flanders Fields/campaigns/CampaignData/Skins folder, and copy the the files you want into it. So if one still has the skins it is not necessary to install the full package every time.

I have made unhistoric change in the form of a - imo good looking - Albatros V skin that works for Albatros early 1917 (which had no good skins imo). I did this by making some minor changes to Off_Alb_DVa_ace_t_Jasta 40s_Helmut_Dilthey.dds (minor changes at the wheels and the hump behind the pilot), if someone is interested let me know ..

http://christian-wendt.org/off/clipboard4.jpg
http://christian-wendt.org/off/clipboard3.jpg
http://christian-wendt.org/off/clipboard1.jpg

[GlobalExplorer]

Let me still reiterate that if you can still get Phase 2 it turns CFS into an excellent sim.

Now I only must make up my mind about what I want to fly, atm I cant decide between Nieuport 17 and Albatros. The Nieuport is an absolute beauty. Then I also like the Sopwith Pup. For 1918, the Pfalz and Focker DVII are also excellent. However must say I never fly the Camel or SE5A (though I really liked the latter in RB) there is something wrong with the textures or models, that I can't put my finger in.

Some remarks concerning performance: Runs fine on the Core2, no probs so far with dual core. E8400, 4GB and ATI 4850 (everything at stock speed) the game runs well with everything maxed out, except scenery set to 4 and I think I disabled shadows too. Filtering set to 4x AA and 16x AIF.

However, this is also the first game that I have ever seen to make even this relatively new system sweat at times. I see some micro stutters during takeoff that I can't track down yet, I am suspicious that there is some bottleneck either in the memory interface or when loading data from harddisk, although my harddisks are very fast. Well I could test if the stutters go away with some fsb overclocking, but on the other they don't really disturb, and they go away after a micro second, they're only what I still miss from perfection.

[GlobalExplorer]

Here some proof as to why I think the Nieuport 17 is the most beautiful plane in OFF:

http://christian-wendt.org/off/clipboard5.jpg

[Subtype Zero]

GE--
Good to see you again!

Regarding your posts on SimHQ about constant error messages in OFF2. I am told that to get rid of those you have to go into workshop and click on the button for "disable warnings" or something like that. I'm not at my home computer, but I did that and almost all of the error messages went away.

If you need more answers about OFF2 or 3, I would go to www.sim-outhouse.com (http://www.sim-outhouse.com) A lot of the developers seem to hang out at that site.

[nikimcbee]

Anybody want to loan out their OFF2 disk or sell ot?

[Subtype Zero]

Anybody want to loan out their OFF2 disk or sell ot?
Where are you? If you are in the States, send me a PM with your address and I will burn a DVD for you. You will need a copy of CFS3, too.

If not in the USA, go to www.sim-outhouse.com (http://www.sim-outhouse.com), look for the Over Flanders Field forum, and ask someone to burn a DVD for you. I have seen players from the UK, NZ, Australia, Germany, and France on that site. :up:

[GlobalExplorer]

Regarding your posts on SimHQ about constant error messages in OFF2. I am told that to get rid of those you have to go into workshop and click on the button for "disable warnings" or something like that.

Thanks, but "disable warnings" is a different thing than "disable errors". You hear that from someone who develops software himself LOL. That offmananger software is a piece of ****, I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole if the mod itself wasnt just so good. There's no way around it!

[GlobalExplorer]

Had to make another screen showing that this is the first game that shows towns in full glory: Verdun

Ground terrain up to a couple hundred meters is the best I've ever seen maybe together with Lomac.

Though it's gotta be said, even E8400 was stuttering a little bit over that town.

http://www.christian-wendt.org/OFF/verdun.jpg

[Subtype Zero]

What kind of errors are you getting? The "disable warnings" button gets rid of the missing skin or aces file messages that pop up for every mission. The reason those are in there is because the devs hoped to get them into OFF2 but weren't able to. They say the missing files have been corrected in phase 3. I agree it reflects a certain laziness or lack of "polish" on the part of the devs, though. :down:

[GlobalExplorer]

Ah can't remember "pilot not found in cfs uisel", "CFS was not terminated normally", "MDI device not found", "cannot load mission" lots of such useless stuff.

[Stealth Hunter]

Ah can't remember "pilot not found in cfs uisel", "CFS was not terminated normally", "MDI device not found", "cannot load mission" lots of such useless stuff.

Yeah, I got problems like that all the time.:shifty:

CFS3 had crap coding to begin with. The OFF devs didn't do anything to try to improve stability either. I had issues come up with the game when I hadn't modified or changed a damn thing. Eventually, it would stop working altogether. I uninstalled it and have stuck to FULL CANVAS JACKET since then.

[GlobalExplorer]

CFS3 is not to blame for those problems. It's the damn OFFManager, which is coded in Visual Basic and by someone who did not have enough experience to handle the most basic of errors. If something is not as it should be it just starts producing errors and after a while it ends up in a mostly undefined state.

I currently have a new problem: the OFFManager doesnt carry over mission results at all, it just ****ing sits there as if I hadn't started the mission yet.

Anyway, if you want the best WWI experience today you are in between the mod and the OFFManager. If you want the mod you will have to accept the OFFMan the way it is, that's the situation gentlemen.

The only way to backup a working OFF will be to have everything, OS, pilots, CFS3 and the OFF mod in one image. So ultimately I concluded that I will have to create an image file just dedicated to OFF, it will be huge, but probably the only way to enjoy OFF in the future.

[Stealth Hunter]

Some of those problems were already there, but we do agree on the point that they never did improve anything with the mod. They made it worse...

CFS3 on its own is kind of buggy, but it at least RUNS PROPERLY.

P3 had better have MASSIVE stability improvements for $50 bucks.:shifty:

[GlobalExplorer]

I see it more or less like that: I'm not sure if they have yet realized that with the 50$ fee they have to deliver a commercial product: stable, relatively easy to install, properly supported if something goes wrong. And concerning CFS bugs what can they do? That talk about "new" AI is obviously hogwash, they have only improved the icing over the same cake. The best thing they could achieve is not introduce more bugs into the overall package than are already there.

But CFS is not really the problem. In the light of what can be achieved with the extra polish CFS3 could have been a fantastic sim, I was really looking forward to it from the early screenshots and could never really out my finger into why it sucked so much at release. Guess MS had lost interest in the CFS franchise and forced a release a year or two before it was ready. With OFF it is now looking like it should have from the start.

Before I sound too negative OFF is the 1st choice for WW1 flying, but I'm really worried how many people actually play it.

[XabbaRus]

Just been reading your exchange over at SimHQ. Interesting to say the least..

[Stealth Hunter]

Love GimpyGuy's response:

However, you can do yourself a BIG favor. NEVER Exceed 4 on the Scenery or Terrian detail sliders, no matter How Good it Looks on 5.
And it Will appear sensational . . for a while.
After a few days, you'll start experiencing video abnormalities for which there can be No Explination.

Solution is simple, back off to 4

Bull****. They haven't tweaked the graphics to a huge level. They've made a few textures hi-res compatible and made models a little more complex. That's it. Probably just trying to cover up bugs by attempting to woo the players into thinking "DAMN! THIS GAME MUST BE EPIC!".:roll:

I still love my FCJ.

[GlobalExplorer]

Gotta say Winding Man on SimHQ wrote that the vids are definitely not taken with human players, they found some way to improve AI coding.

[Stealth Hunter]

I suppose he's got evidence to back that claim up... right?:hmm:

[XabbaRus]

I just thought the replies you got were slightly defensive in nature.

[GlobalExplorer]

I suppose he's got evidence to back that claim up... right?:hmm:

It should be obvious so short before release, all we have to do is wait and see.

But I will tell you what I think: WM certainly wouldn't commit himself that way if they had not actually achieved something. Today even the uninitiated know that in order to improve hard coded parts one needs access to the source code and recompile the game. But that's only half the truth. What emerges is that they have hacked a dll, with or without the help of Microsoft, who never showed an interest in harming small teams making that kind of improvements to their sims.

This has been done several times in the past, (examples come to mind: the GPL engine and physics changes, the opressed IL2 "sound" mod) and often it has opened up a whole new world for that sim.

Even in the case of Silent Hunter III I was once studying the possibility to hook up to a .dll, in order to get access to savegame and internal data, but I came to the conclusion that Starforce is too much in the way of that. And of course I was not interested in testing UBIs goodwill on copyright issues, because this kind of "hacking for the better" is a very tricky topic.

[GlobalExplorer]

I just thought the replies you got were slightly defensive in nature.

Defensive, I don't know, I must give it to them that they are handling the questions very professional and didn't bite into the acrimony. Which is their job, btw, as they are not modders anymore but professional software developers .. and imo it is the task of ppl like me to ask unpleasant questions and call BS if there's too much hogwash manufactured by the fanbois !! :rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

Wow, just flew my first mission in my EIII. Still learning the ropes!

:up:

[GlobalExplorer]

That Fokker is one tired old bird. Never felt it was the kind of uberplane it should be. CFS3 can not model the advantages of the Fokkers machine gun vs the Allied ones, so what remains is a slow, clumsy monoplane.

What it does is capture the spirit very well, in the EIII I felt like I was one of the first men to fly an airplane over a world that was just on the verge of rapid changes. Magnificent moments.

And I copied the sound folder from the EIII and use it now with the Nieuport XVII and Pup, somehow I could not stand the engine sounds of the latter two.

[Subtype Zero]

Still waiting for the release of phase 3 of OFF. The devs say it is now out of their hands and in the hands of the publisher. From reading the tea leaves at the OFF forum, I expect that it will be out by the end of this month. If the delivery date slips again, there is talk of also making OFF3 available as a download. Fingers crossed.

[GSpector]

I really hope I get my E-Mail notice soon. :up:

[Subtype Zero]

OVER FLANDERS FIELDS:
BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL
[ PHASE 3 ]
A total transformation for Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator 3
Brought to you by OBD Software
-------------------------------------------------


HUZZAH!!!! :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

[Dowly]

OFF: BHH is coming for yer money, run like mad. :yep:

[Kratos]

I'll be keeping my money ;)

[Biggles]

I'll be keeping my money ;)

Hear hear, I ain't paying for a mod...:nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

Think I'll put that same $50 for use when Rise of Flight is released.:yep:

[TarJak]

I can live with Phase 2 until RoF arrives. That US$50 is more like AU$80 so I'm keeping me money thanks.

[XabbaRus]

Is it worth $50? Is it worth all the hype surrounding it.

I'm still skeptical about how developed it is without them having access to CFS3 source code.

The impression I have always had looking at the forums is that and criticism no matter how slight is reacted to in a disproportionat way.

[Dowly]

My take on the "is it worth it?" question is, that if they pulled OFF2 out from free download, there's something fishy about it. I mean, if OFF3 is the new 10000x better OFF, then why take OFF2 out? If OFF3 really deliveres what it says, then there should be no problem, some play the worse, out of date OFF2 for free and those who want the "mother of all mods" OFF3, they can get it by buying it.

[Stealth Hunter]

I also smell something fishy...

Behind those happy and welcoming voices from the people at OBD, there's something more important to take note of: the tone and clear fact that they're all really saying "Give us $50 for an overrated and hyped mod."

I have all the install files for P2, but I'll likely delete them soon... if I don't pass them around first (a little last-minute retaliation). They're doing nothing but taking up space at this point.

[GSpector]

Personally, I'd be happier if it were a stand alone Sim, not needing CFS3.

I'm just waiting to hear back from those that already bought it. I want to know what they think 1st.

I'm sure it would have been cheaper if that sent it to stores and mass-produced it but instead, they are just limiting it to those that showed interest which only means that they produce fewer at a higher cost.

[Stealth Hunter]

Xabba, I think they might have accessed the source code. See this article:

http://www.wingsofhonour.com/overflandersfields/articles/interview-off-team-20081121/html_woh_overflandersfields_interview_off-team_20081121.en.html (http://www.wingsofhonour.com/overflandersfields/articles/interview-off-team-20081121/html_woh_overflandersfields_interview_off-team_20081121.en.html)

Basically Tom, our code expert, has found means to improve their behaviour in various places and you will feel their hot breath on your neck now much more often. We can also improve even more in future.

:hmm:

[XabbaRus]

Just read the interview and have never read so much chest thumping and self congratulation in my life.

The "we have families" blah blah sacrifice blah blah.

They must have hacked the source code, kind of like what has happened with DW for the multi-playable mods.

My issue is how they are getting away with charging for it. Before they said it was to just cover the cost of producing the dvds etc,. Now it seems like a money maker....

[NeonSamurai]

No kidding, at 50$ a pop, that certainly does more then cover the costs of making the disks. I see no point in paying that kind of money for what is a glorified mod, and imho not a very good one (its decent but wouldn't stand up to a real modern production ww1 sim).

[JG52Uther]

I cant see the problem myself.If you don't want it,you won't buy it.If you do want it,you will buy it.Its a niche product for a niche market.
The new Rise of Flight is allegedly going to cost around $30 or so.Thats for 2 flyables.Each extra plane after that is going to be around $5-$7.At least people will have a choice,depending on their computer specs,their spending ability ($50 for OFF,or $200-$300 for the same amount of flyables in RoF) if they want to fly from 1914 thru to 1918 with OFF,or 1917-1918 with RoF.
Choice is a good thing.I will buy both.

[XabbaRus]

I think it is more the hype surrounding it and they way OFF2 was pulled.

[Catfish]

Hello,
since i have been a subsim member, for some 10+ years i would like to throw my 2 cents in. Maybe i will ask Neal whether it would be possible to write (he, someone else, or even me) some kind of review about Over Flanders Fields (called OFF) phase 3 "Between Heaven and Hell". Subsim sure has a good reputation about its reviews and critics :up:.

I have played almost every WWI flight sim that ever was, missing only FS WWI sim as a mod for the "Screamin' demons" sim, so i know what i speak about. I will also try this sim when i get a copy of the Screamin' demons.
I do not have OFF phase III yet, but having played phase I and II for years i will sure pay the 50 bucks.

I was initially looking for a successor for my RedBaron3d, but the RedBaron i had was finally patched beyond recognition, there were 100+ patches and mods, SWWISA made all kinds of historical adjusting, and finally there were two main mods being "Full canvas jacket" (payware) and the "Hell's Angels" mod (which ist still free, and b.t.w. the creator of this mod is one of the makers of OFF) along with flight model changes, visual effects and what not that turned RB almost into a sim, if you were not used to something like IL2 - but who was, at that time?

Did i say i really had to PAY for the original RedBaron3d? The Sierra company sure had a nerve demanding 50 bucks 10 years ago. Oh, and i bought a new PC with a voodoo card back then, only to fly RB in its original version. The Halberstadt D.II was impossible to fly, and all wingmen would instantly crash into trees or hills after take-off. And it was stuttering badly, just like OFF will on any older machine. And RoF?

What do you think you guys will have pay for "Rise of Flight, or RoF ? Be sure it will stutter on Dual cores with 3GHz and only 4 Gigs of Ram.
I will still buy it for sure, those graphics are breathtaking - but, and it is a big BUT: the rest of RoF's features seem a bit sparse:
- 3 planes included (every next one has to be bought separately for 5-7 $)
- No dynamic frontlines that move with the war
- Intended for online play
- no single play career, so no dynamic campaign, only some training missions.

Not necessary to say that OFF does have those features, along with online play - if only for up to now 12 players, in Phase II.
B.t.w. everyone can host an OFF online game, no need for the MS CFS3 server anymore.

Over Flanders Fields Phase 1 was free and i downloaded it from the OFF website, it took years. Next i bought a pretty cheap CFS3 copy, which i even played for one or two times. Gawd. Having IL2 with its successors i was not at all impressed. Then i installed OFF phase 1.

Since this was an alpha version there were bugs, but from the graphics alone it was already years ahead of RB3d. I enjoyed it, and had a lot of discussions and (i must admit) rants with the developers like "why the hell does this and that not work", can you include sooting spark plugs when letting the engine idle too long, will it overheat, how is this and that, and what about this crappy AI ?
And they were constantly answering it was still in development, they improved things, they needed time, it was not a commercial product and so on. Some things would never change because it was a "CFS3 thing", hard-coded.
I can somehow imagine they did not want to get Microsoft lawyers involved for changing the source code. At the same time the dev team kept pumping out patches that removed one problem after the other, all free for download.

I was still playing RedBaron now and then, but its damage modeling and the flight characteristics were rather foreseeable, and with those crappy ground textures and trees i began to miss the graphics from OFF. As well landing in RedBaron is not quite the same to say at least. Starting and landing is arcadish, and even if flying is still ok in RB, it is better in OFF. This is a Flight SIMULATOR. Get the idea?

Then there was phase 2, free for download and ready at Christmas.
This was already something else. Still some bugs, and the AI was still laughable, well mostly. Sometimes, when you encountered a real ace, you were dead before you realized it. But especially Nieuports were often playing ring-around-a-rosie without even being aware of me or my wingmen.
But the flying ... i was so i just stared at the scenery when the first bullets hit, below me there were explosions of artillery, ammunition camps, aerodromes, tanks ... i found myself nursing home a bady shot-up RE.8 and almost kissed the ground when i managed to land that thing.


The reason phase 2 is not longer downloadable at the OFF homepage is that this money-making "company" you all talk about is virtually inexistant, at least up to now. They have a website, with not much bandwidth - now the last Phase 2 version with all the mods and patches was appx. 2.5 GB at last, and they just did not want to pay any more. There were thousands downloading and server costs rose.

With this third phase the OFF dev team made a historically correct simulator, featuring 39 different planes as they appeared at the front, each with its own flight and damage model, colours, aces and locations at the various aerodromes, that certainly also change with the war. Just compare this to anything else.

For anyone who still wants to test OFF Phase II for free: Go to the OFF forum, register and officially ask for a DVD copy at the uppermost sticky thread. Most people in your neighbourhood won't even charge you any p&p or the DVD as long as you promise to send a DVD copy yourself to someone else who wants one. Fair enough ? The OFF team has worked four years for phase 2, and everyone was free to download it - i do not think this is a bad deal.

But do not expect to be awarded every kill. Following reality lots of kills will not be accepted by your superiors, right as it was in WWI, or only days or weeks after the event.
Make a mistake in a turn close to the ground ? Rise that nose too high with you 100hp Oberursel I. engine ? You say your plane does not rise quick enough? Well, all features are from real tables and historical deliverance.
As well you will have to adjust your engine so it will not conk-out and stay due to your own crappy mixture-managing or shut-off magnetoes. Give it a try but don't say i did not warn you, this is not for whiners.

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. how do i post screenshots here ? Only with hotlinking ?

[Stealth Hunter]

I Google'd "OFF Ready" and this popped up:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/games-flight-sims/39535-i-heard-rumours-about-off-phase-3-being-ready.html (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/games-flight-sims/39535-i-heard-rumours-about-off-phase-3-being-ready.html)

Listen to this guy towards the end:

Hello "Enthusiast",

i have nothing to do with the selling or programming of "Over Flanders Fields - Between Heaven and Hell" (Phase3), so i may freely speak my mind. I also posted this over at the OFF forum:

The dev team sure did not invent this price out of the blue. After all they have been developing this sim for now 5 (?) years, offering at least 4 year's work even for free download until now. And i firmly believe they will continue to develop it, be it for improvements, added planes and such for Phase3, or for phase 4 - whatever. Only thing that would change their course of going strong would be statements as "50 bucks are a big toad to swallow".

Here in Germany PC games cost about 50 Euros, which is much more that 50 $. You might say that you have to get a CFS3 copy, BUT:
The dev team also stated they would probably go for another "engine", so they would not need MS's CFS3 any more. However not yet - this is a private thing, no company.

But apart from buying an engine for further developing somewhere in the future of this sim, they have to pay their distributor - it is not at all sure whether the money asked for does indeed come up for their costs.

You may not realize it, but the flight sim community is not as big as you seem to think, let alone a niche product like a WWI simulator, even if it's the best currently existing. Ther are no masses to gain as with Doom, or Half Life and such.

Only my opinion, you can still get phase2 for free, just ask in the sticky over at the OFF forum.

Greetings,
Catfish

The kid (Enthusiast) who asked the question is 15, and I for one don't trust this Catfish fellow's post at all... indeed, the same goes for him himself.:shifty:

[Subtype Zero]

The kid (Enthusiast) who asked the question is 15, and I for one don't trust this Catfish fellow's post at all... indeed, the same goes for him himself.:shifty:
???? What is that supposed to mean? What don't you trust about his post, or him, for that matter? Be specific, and don't just make vague insinuations. Otherwise, you are just a troll trying to stir up trouble about something you know nothing about. :roll:

Feel free to attack OFF3 for valid reasons, but next time try to stick to the facts instead of paranoid rantings and conspiracy theories.

For those who are interested in OFF3, go check out their website and decide for yourselves if it is worth the money.

[Stealth Hunter]

What the hell are you talking about? I posted what Catfish said, and I pointed out that it was in response to another user's post on The Aerodrome's game forum. I gave you a link, and I also said I didn't trust Catfish's post. The wording on its own sounded odd and negative towards criticism towards the mod. How much more specific can I get?:roll:

[BadKarma1001]

I cant see the problem myself.If you don't want it,you won't buy it.If you do want it,you will buy it.Its a niche product for a niche market.
The new Rise of Flight is allegedly going to cost around $30 or so.Thats for 2 flyables.Each extra plane after that is going to be around $5-$7.At least people will have a choice,depending on their computer specs,their spending ability ($50 for OFF,or $200-$300 for the same amount of flyables in RoF) if they want to fly from 1914 thru to 1918 with OFF,or 1917-1918 with RoF.
Choice is a good thing.I will buy both.

Finally someone with common sense!
Would i spend 50 Bucks if someone would total convert SH3 or SH4 to a WWI, or better an early Cold War (mid 1950 to early 1970) scenario you bet i would, without a blink.
So, its really a matter of choice. I for myself choose to buy it, even when these 50 (with vat and shipping 70) bucks where hard to swallow.

...and Stealth Hunter i don´t trust your posts they are hostile and trollish!

[TarJak]

I didn't see anything hostile in SH's posts. Just an expression of his opinions. Isn't this what these boards are for?:hmm:

[XabbaRus]

I agree people are just stating their misgivings about the whole thing.

I personally have a problem with mods for sale no matter how good they are.

It is like the Fall Blau and Ostfront stuff for IL-2 which to my mind are just ultra detailed add on campaigns.

[Stealth Hunter]

Ignore them. They have been registered for quite a while now and rarely ever post, then they just suddenly show up and post away?

[Catfish]

Hello,
so you "don't trust" me. Well, i am deeply afflicted :hmm:

But let's keep calm, ok ? I have nothing to do with OFF, apart having fun and posting information and details that will hopefully improve this and other sims, just as it was the case with SH3 back then.
I am just having a ball with it - still with phase 2, that is. But as i said before even if i will go for the third phase, no one else is forced to do it.
You can still get phase 2 for free, and then send it down the drain as Stealth Hunter proposed.

What i wrote over at the aerodrome is mostly about other themes, and everyone is free to e.g. read the U-boat thread there (WWI) or any other bullsh*t i may have written now and then :lol:.
What i meant is that the same persons that asked the whole time "when will OFF come out?", "When is it ready", "Will it be out for Christmas?" and so forth were the first to complain about the price as soon as it was released a week ago. I did not know that the person i answered to was 15 years old. I think that 50 bucks is indeed a lot at that age, but then feel free to propose Microsoft to adjust their prices regarding X-Box or PC games for kids, good luck. The price for P3 is set and known since ... half a year ?

The dev team has ever since said they would at some point charge money for it. You do not seem to realize what level of research it took for getting the information, and packing this into a sim. And they want to get another flight engine sooner or later, to get rid of CFS3 maybe in phase 4, and this will cost money. B.t.w. this is not only a mod, it is a sim of its own, using an engine from another game. Whoever played OFF P2 will have to admit that.

"First Eagles" also is without doubt a good WWI sim, and since WWI flight sims are a rare breed i encourage all to go for it. But you have as well to buy the engine, and then download the planes - almost the same as with OFF. First Eagles is now about 30 $ as i recently saw, and as well everyone is free to get it or not. IMHO it is worth it, but you cannot download a test version or whatever, the sim itself b.t.w. is about appx. 260 Mb. But do you really say it is better than OFF ? I will have to give it a try again...

CFS3 - i would follow Stealth Hunter's proposal when it comes to the original version (throw it away), however only the engine is used for OFF, which has currently 3000 Mb in its recent version (15 Gb expanded and installed on hard disk), but the first patch is already out, and further planes will be added.
I somehow wonder about the tone at this forum, but then i may be biased from earlier years. :88)



All the best,
Catfish

[TarJak]

Well said Mikhayl

If OFF significantly changed the engine itself then I would consider calling it a game, otherwise it is just a mod. A very good mod, I also have been enjoying with Phase2. However I cannot see why the "costs" for using a different engine would be very different to those for CFS3. Unless the plan is to move to a licensed model in which case we are talking about a different kettle of fish entirely and the OFF team are moving into a more professional arena which as a loose community of modders (I'm sorry I can't call them developers as although they may write some code they are simply doing so off a pre-built engine), would be a unique way of running a business. One wonders how profit would be split in such a situation.

I personally think that paying for a mod goes against the tradition of community development. Most people do it because they love the game or the genre they work with. If these guys want to go pro, then fine, go do it and all the best to 'em and good luck with maintaining control, once the torrents start to show up as they inevitably will.

That's not to say I wouldn't pay for a mod, however I'd prefer to see the proof of the pudding before laying down my hard earned cash. I almost always DL demo's before buying a new release of a game and would definately prefer to do so with a mod no matter how good the vids or screenies look.

[JG52Uther]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

[Dowly]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

That isnt the same thing. The thing is, is OFF3 worth the money over OFF2?

[XabbaRus]

They say it is but they say they have improved teh AI with ther coding specialist having made changes.

That suggests to me that either they have access to the source code or they have hacked the code.

If the former then MS I'm assuming would have allowed access and a license since they are charing for OFF3, if the latter then I think it is a lgeal minefield like what the DW mods are which have been cleared up.

They are saying it is almost a whole new sim with the whole thing reworked. So can anyone answer me this. Do they have the agreement from MS, access to the source code and permission to go and sell it? CFS3 is still the base and you need that in order to play OFF3 but it all suggests they have altered CFS3 coding...so what gives?

[XabbaRus]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

[Stealth Hunter]

Indeed, or perhaps we are more infamous than famous. I fear we might be murdered.:huh:

[Dowly]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

Link? :D

[Stealth Hunter]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

Link? :D

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim)

Listen to this Dowly:

Let's not start another rantfest please. Seems to be a disgruntled minority anyway

Here's a good one:

That guy "StealthHunter" seems to have something personal against the OFF team and this forum. Don't know what his problem is. Here's a direct quote from one of his hate filled posts.......

"Their team can burn in hell. Forcing us to pay $50 bucks for a mod is outright robbery, and it's also illegal, too, since they edited Microsoft's original files without Microsoft's consent and re-distributed them, or so I've been informed. I'm pretty sure that they'd be interested in hearing the things OBD Software has been up to..."

Methinks he know nothing of what he speaks. What a maroon!

Well, it's quite obvious you tampered with the source code if you improved the AI that significantly, which is the part in all this that's quite illegal.

$50 is a lot of money, especially with the economy's current situation and especially when you consider that OFF is a mod, not its own stand-alone game...

[HunterICX]

We are not going to sink down to their level, so I would rather not see any more Quotes, links or any other observations about them in this thread or a new thread, if you are eager to share PM the one you want to share it with.

Thanks,
HunterICX

[Biggles]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

Link? :D

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim)

Listen to this Dowly:

Let's not start another rantfest please. Seems to be a disgruntled minority anyway.

That thread is already 2 pages long....

And apparently, the devs over there call us subsimers for "crybaby's".....seriously, people who can't take constructive critisism deserves no form of respect from me. I will give it to them anyway, because I am not an ignorant fool.

[Stealth Hunter]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

Link? :D

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim)

Listen to this Dowly:

Let's not start another rantfest please. Seems to be a disgruntled minority anyway.

That thread is already 2 pages long....

And apparently, the devs over there call us subsimers for "crybaby's".....seriously, people who can't take constructive critisism deserves no form of respect from me. I will give it to them anyway, because I am not an ignorant fool.

If it's war they want, it's war they'll get, lol.:lol:

Just in case if any of you guys at Sim-Outhouse are reading this, we wouldn't pay $75 for a submarine mod... as your friend OvS insinuated. The Grey Wolves mod team has, for years, never charged a cent for all their work, and they've been happy to send out disks free of charge to people who can't download their mod. They've accepted donations, but they've never forced you to pay for anything. That is the biggest difference between OFF and GWX.

Anywho, has anyone seen the ground forces videos over at ROF's website?

[Biggles]

Seems like we are famous on their forum lol.

Link? :D

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8206&highlight=subsim)

Listen to this Dowly:

Let's not start another rantfest please. Seems to be a disgruntled minority anyway.

That thread is already 2 pages long....

And apparently, the devs over there call us subsimers for "crybaby's".....seriously, people who can't take constructive critisism deserves no form of respect from me. I will give it to them anyway, because I am not an ignorant fool.

If it's war they want, it's war they'll get, lol.:lol:

I'm seriously pissed now. (I hope they read this). Take a load of this:

Edited:

I just saw what Hunter wrote earlier, and ofcourse he's right. Let's keep ourselves civilised.

[Stealth Hunter]

I liked that last part:

Maybe the planes in OFF are too fast for them!

Does anyone else think it's kind of sad when people start to use video game references to make themselves look tough?

[Stealth Hunter]

Here's a link to that video I was talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3DLwUHzIzI&eurl=http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3DLwUHzIzI&eurl=http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx)

[Biggles]

Here's a link to that video I was talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3DLwUHzIzI&eurl=http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3DLwUHzIzI&eurl=http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx)

Looks great, can't wait!:up:

[Dowly]

I think I pay a visit to the OFF forums. :hmm:

[Biggles]

I think I pay a visit to the OFF forums. :hmm:


:up:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

Send them my regards!:D

[Dowly]

Right, do I need to say more about the oh so godlike OFF ppl? :down:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/Untitled-1-10.jpg

EDIT: Ow and AFAIK, I have never been registered there or if I am, I dont recall doing anything that would get me banned.

[Stealth Hunter]

Wow that was quite mature of them.:roll:

I did like Baywing's thread, though:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8427 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=8427)

Maybe we should work out a system like that for IL2? We could use a potato cannon to simulate the sound of flak instead, though.

[Stealth Hunter]

Oh and Dowly, just open another Google Mail account if you want to get into their site. I've done it countless times to access sites I've been banned from. I also use an IP changer to avoid being IP banned.:up:

[Biggles]

Right, do I need to say more about the oh so godlike OFF ppl? :down:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/Untitled-1-10.jpg

EDIT: Ow and AFAIK, I have never been registered there or if I am, I dont recall doing anything that would get me banned.

Same for me. What can I say? Alot of things, but I see no reason to be banned on this forum for their sake...

[Dowly]

Oh and Dowly, just open another Google Mail account if you want to get into their site. I've done it countless times to access sites I've been banned from. I also use an IP changer to avoid being IP banned.:up:

But first, I test my hotmail account, if that's banned too, then it's fricking war. :yep:

[Dowly]

And banned it is. :stare:

[Fincuan]

Dowly, wtf could you possibly gain from going over there?

One scan of that thread SH linked reveals that many of those guys are way past the point of sensible speech, so you'd just be wasting your time. Go screw your ex instead, time way better spent :up:

[ajrimmer42]

Maybe the planes in OFF are too fast for them!
Maybe the planes in IL2 are too fast for them!

sry couldn't resist... :rotfl:

[Dowly]

Hooly ****, this guys really dont want me there! Even an email addy I havent used in years is banned! :huh:

[Stealth Hunter]

Maybe the planes in OFF are too fast for them!
Maybe the planes in IL2 are too fast for them!

sry couldn't resist... :rotfl:

That's exactly what I was thinking. A P51 has a Sopwith Camel beat by... well, a few hundred MPH.:rotfl:

[Fincuan]

Hooly ****, this guys really dont want me there! Even an email addy I havent used in years is banned! :huh:

Or they've just banned Hotmail, Gmail etc. type addresses

[Dowly]

Well that'd be darn stupid. I think most of ppl who uses PC use html based email. :hmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

I do...:88)

[HunterICX]

Lets not start a Forum War, we do not want to sink to their level do we?

HunterICX

[Stealth Hunter]

Don't worry, Hunter. We won't go to war with them. We're just having a good laugh and a friendly conversation over their flaws...

But if we do go to war, our BF-109s and Yaks will destroy their Fokker DR.1s and Spads.:rotfl:

[TarJak]

Just in case if any of you guys at Sim-Outhouse are reading this, we wouldn't pay $75 for a submarine mod... as your friend OvS insinuated. The Grey Wolves mod team has, for years, never charged a cent for all their work, and they've been happy to send out disks free of charge to people who can't download their mod. They've accepted donations, but they've never forced you to pay for anything. That is the biggest difference between OFF and GWX.
Just clarifying a point of fact. The GWX team has never received a cent for the work it has done. GWX2.1 was given early release to subsimmers who made donations to subsim to enable Neal to keep this site going. None of the money went to GWX.

[Dowly]

Lets not start a Forum War, we do not want to sink to their level do we?

HunterICX
I'm already waaaaay below their level.

EDIT: Do they have an email addy I could contact them to? :hmm:

[JG52Uther]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.

[Stealth Hunter]

I wouldn't have paid $50 for it.

[Dowly]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?
So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.
You know, not anyone wants to pay 50€ for an update and that' exactly what OFF3 is, an update. They didnt make the mod from scratch again, they took OFF2 and added few things. Now, please, tell me, why should I pay a full game's price of that?

If you want to pay the 50€, fine, do so.

Everyone still has the right to give their opinion (atleast at SubSim), respect it.

PS. To your question, depends, if it was like OFF2->OFF3, no. If it was from stock SH3 to GWX3.0, yes.

[Dowly]

On other news, can you get to the OFF forums or is my IP blocked?

[Biggles]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?

So,not many answers.Theres a surprise.

If I'd find it in a store, maybe. Not as a download from a "secure" website. A mod is a mod, no matter if you put a price label on it.

[Fincuan]

On other news, can you get to the OFF forums or is my IP blocked?

Looks like they're down atm, or they just blocked Finland from the forums :lol:

[Kratos]

its down for a reboot it seems :hmm:

[NeonSamurai]

Just out of interest.IF GWX had been a paid add-on for $50,how many of you would still be floating around in standard SH3?
So,not many answers. Theres a surprise.

The answer is pretty much no, most of us would not have. Most of us are use to not paying large sums of money for mods (even really good mods). Modders here mod for the joy of modding, and to the appreciation of the community.

As a modder myself I have never even once thought of asking for money for original content, no matter how much time I have invested in a mod. Its not why I mod. As for the argument of costs, that is nonsense and we all know it, there are ways around the costs such as sites like file front, or torrents.

[Biggles]

Just thought of the Forgotten Hope Mod for BF1942. It changed the game completely yet the devs. never asked for my credit card number.

[Stealth Hunter]

ROF will have OFF beat by a mile. Just look at it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/FlyXwire/Screenshots_Snap_Shot.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/FlyXwire/Screenshots_Smashing.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/FlyXwire/Screenshots_American_Bluebirds.jpg

[GSpector]

Aren't they charging for ROF? I would expect it to be better, after all, they control every aspect of the engine and everything else.

Personally, if the OFF mod was sold for under $30 like many store bought Mods, I'd be ok with it and in fact, I'd probably have it now.

[Catfish]

Hello,
the pictures from "Rise of Flight" (RoF) sure look good, and i am glad they went on with the project - the Gennadich team was first working on the "Knights of the Sky" WWI sim, but were not allowed by Oleg to use an improved IL2 engine or so it seemed, so they cancelled the project, had to go for another engine and rebuild from the rubble.

There are even better photos from "RoF" with crash-landed planes, showing some damage modelling, and films showing the DR.I starting, and in flight.
On the photos the Fokker D.VII looks a bit too shiny with its Zebra camo as well as the SPAD (no weathering?), and "RoF" altogether seems to be planned for online play (which is good), but you only have three (?) flyable planes, no campaign, only german vs. american, and from 1917 to 18. Though I am sure the RoF team will improve this .. I believe the OFF team will also be happy to fly another sim now and then, they already said so lol. B.t.w. there is a recent interview at SimHQ http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_395a (http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_395a)
Seems they have some 15 Gb of textures, skins etc.. For what i heard (not in this interview) they did indeed change the hard coded files from CFS3, but with official approval from Microsoft. It is common in the IT business to buy a developer's kit (SDK or what's it called) e.g. for MS Access, build a special application based on it, and then resell it with official approval. But then probably not in the game modding scene.

There are also other interested members from the aerodrome forum or wherever who regularly help all teams that intend to go for WWI
flight sims without charging, for historical accuracy etc., like Rabu, but also a lot of others. I do not know why Stealth Hunter has an axe to grind with the OFF team, but i am not in the mood to interfere for either side.

I would certainly prefer to get phase 3 for free, like 1 and 2, but i still think it's worth it (but then it seems it's just me). And I would probably have even paid something for GWX, or the NYGM mod, because i think they also deserved it, if not more. I am certainly happy i got all this for free.
On the other hand i would not have bought anything from this X1 company or what it was called, who stole mods from subsim modders, and tried to sell it as an SH3 add-on. Doing so was approved by Ubisoft, and i will never understand this.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Biggles]

I've heard stories of OFF devs., or users, not really sure, that rants anyone not playing with 100% realism, and becomes unpleasant when critisislm is brought to them. I don't know if this is true, but I've had no reason to doubt it. I guess I don't have any real problems with OFF itself, P2 is excellent, but rather with some of the people involved with it.

[Stealth Hunter]

Aren't they charging for ROF? I would expect it to be better, after all, they control every aspect of the engine and everything else.

Personally, if the OFF mod was sold for under $30 like many store bought Mods, I'd be ok with it and in fact, I'd probably have it now.

Yeah, but it's not a mod. It's a stand-alone game with an engine created from scratch.

[Stealth Hunter]

On the photos the Fokker D.VII looks a bit too shiny with its Zebra camo as well as the SPAD (no weathering?)

The shine comes from a treatment cream that both the Entente and Central Powers used on the linen covering of the plane. It helped to add some protection from the weather and waterproofed it as well.

I suspect the screenshot of the Spad shows a new plane fresh off the assembly line. If you look at some of the other pictures on their website, you'll notice that the Albatros shows weathering effects (darkened paint and wood with a grizzled tone).

and "RoF" altogether seems to be planned for online play (which is good)

Actually, it's going to include a fully dynamic single player campaign as well as an online campaign mode. Both will feature roleplaying elements, including the development of skills, a relationship system, a writing system (which allows you to send and receive things to your family or your lady-love), and a reward system (besides earning medals and promotions, you can earn things like pistols, watches, or tools; each of these things can help you survive the air war in some manner or another).

To clarify on that last bit about the items and tools, you can receive a hammer which will allow you to clear gun jams faster.

but you only have three (?) flyable planes

The devs have considered making the Pfalz D.III and Fokker DR.1 playable upon release. Given the advanced state of the engine (with the damage and aerodynamic models), it does take a huge amount of work to tweak these to perfection, especially when the player can fly them (which adds more possibilities which must be calibrated).

They will also release more planes as time goes by, which you can download for $5, or you can wait two weeks (at which point they're released to the public for download, free of charge).

I believe the Sopwith Camel and Nieuport 17 will also be released with it, too, along with a few two-seaters. TG was also discussing adding zeppelins to the game. Of course, some of these machines aren't flyable, but ROF has been made to be extremely modder-friendly, meaning that with a little work, you can make the unflyable flyable.

no campaign

See above.

only german vs. american

The devs have already covered this. The game will focus on the American side of the war, but it will not exclude the French and British.

and from 1917 to 18.

Campaign addons are also in talks. Since the game first began, the devs have been tossing around concepts for late 1914 to 1916 campaign mode.

Seems they have some 15 Gb of textures, skins etc.

This is a large issue for me. That's a lot of space that will be taken up. ROF is using a system that has skins already built in, but it also has a paint kit utility that allows the player to create any skin imaginable. Then, it compresses them down to a small file and stores them away (I think they said your average paint file for ROF will only be like a few KB in size; it's kind of like Spore's system, where you create a creature or a vehicle and it saves it to your computer, compressing it to a low size so it won't take up a lot of space).

For what i heard (not in this interview) they did indeed change the hard coded files from CFS3, but with official approval from Microsoft.

Good to hear it. Let's hope that is indeed the case, though...

It is common in the IT business to buy a developer's kit (SDK or what's it called) e.g. for MS Access, build a special application based on it, and then resell it with official approval. But then probably not in the game modding scene.

The Source engine and Valve released an SDK for mods specifically that is free, so long as you own a Source engine game.

I do not know why Stealth Hunter has an axe to grind with the OFF team, but i am not in the mood to interfere for either side.

1) OFF is a mod, not a stand-alone game.
2) They're suddenly charging $50... for a mod... and again, they've never done this before.
3) CFS3's engine has become obsolete.
4) In addition to #3, ROF's engine will make CFS3's engine even more outdated.
5) Summing up, do you really want to pay $50 for a mod that will be running off an incredibly old and outdated engine, when in just a few months ROF, with a brand new and state-of-the-art engine, will be released?

I would certainly prefer to get phase 3 for free, like 1 and 2, but i still think it's worth it (but then it seems it's just me).

Doesn't it seem odd to you, though? For the past few years, they've released P1 and P2 free of charge. Then, out of the blue, they suddenly decide that P3 should cost $50... why? What's the big deal? P2 was a big improvement over P1 and it didn't cost me anything. Now we suddenly have to pay for P3? No, just no. I'll put that $50 to ROF, thank you.

And I would probably have even paid something for GWX, or the NYGM mod, because i think they also deserved it, if not more. I am certainly happy i got all this for free.

As are we, and as I said earlier, we never would have paid that much for GWX because the team never did charge money for any of the early versions. If they suddenly just said, "Ok, we know that we've released 3 previous versions of our mod for free, but we've decided that GWX 3.0 should cost $50," then we would be very suspicious. So all of a sudden, after years of making and releasing these mods for free, you're going to make us pay $50 for a new one? Does that make any sense to you?

On the other hand i would not have bought anything from this X1 company or what it was called, who stole mods from subsim modders, and tried to sell it as an SH3 add-on.

That was quite infuriating.

Doing so was approved by Ubisoft, and i will never understand this.

Maybe they somehow had a right to. I don't know. There's so much legal jargon to sift through with these things that it gets titanic in size.

[GSpector]

Aren't they charging for ROF? I would expect it to be better, after all, they control every aspect of the engine and everything else.

Personally, if the OFF mod was sold for under $30 like many store bought Mods, I'd be ok with it and in fact, I'd probably have it now.

Yeah, but it's not a mod. It's a stand-alone game with an engine created from scratch.

That was my point. The comment was made that RoF was better. I expect it should be though I will not get it. I prefer campaigns over online only, so I will probably get Phase 3. I'm just waiting for reviews.

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm sorry about that, Specter. I meant to quote Catfish's post.

[GSpector]

Stealth Hunter, If what you say about RoF is true, I will be keeping an eye on it too. You made it sound so much better then anything I've read about it anywhere.

Just curious, I know $50 is a lot for a mod, what do you think would be fair for Phase 3? I think with all the work they have put into it, I have no problem with them charging, just not $50 for the mod.

I hope you don't think their time and effort is not worth anything and you just want it FREE so you can fly it for many hours, days or weeks. I'm sure that much time should be worth something. don't you?

[Stealth Hunter]

A fair price for OFF? I'd go with $10.

$20 - $50 are the average costs for stand-alone games. As such, I might pay $15 for it, but nothing higher.

Oh, here's a little more on ROF's features:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx (http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx)

[Stealth Hunter]

Here's another screenshot of ROF:

http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=27 (http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=27)

It looks like a picture, doesn't it? Or at the very least, a painting.

[GSpector]

A fair price for OFF? I'd go with $10.

$20 - $50 are the average costs for stand-alone games. As such, I might pay $15 for it, but nothing higher.

Oh, here's a little more on ROF's features:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx (http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx)

I agree $10 - $15 is a fair price to pay, for an add-on. I would go no higher then $30 only because they seem to have added so much more then a basic add on but cheaper is better too ;)

[GSpector]

here's a little more on ROF's features:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx (http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx)

W:oW, I just watched all the videos and read the blogs. Seems the only thing they did not model was the cuts in the grass to show something is or was driving through it and I think I read that they will consider working on that too.

I really like the idea of additional awrds, not just medals and ranks for the single campaign flyers like myself.:up:

[Stealth Hunter]

Before I forget, here's a video of the flow particles demonstration. This creates air, smoke, and fire effects that all look very realistic, and it also affects the handling of aircraft. It's not scripted, it's totally dynamic. It's just like RealFlow, only we're dealing with gas and not water.

Here:

http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-promo-movie-8-airflow-demo (http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-promo-movie-8-airflow-demo)

Here's a demonstration of water effects:

http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-promo-movie-2-open-water (http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-promo-movie-2-open-water)

All this is running on an Nvidia GeForce 6600 GT.:D

[Stealth Hunter]

here's a little more on ROF's features:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx (http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/December-2008/Game-design.aspx)

W:oW, I just watched all the videos and read the blogs. Seems the only thing they did not model was the cuts in the grass to show something is or was driving through it and I think I read that they will consider working on that too.

I really like the idea of additional awrds, not just medals and ranks for the single campaign flyers like myself.:up:

I like the additional rewards thing as well. Hopefully the roleplay element will be improved so you can socialize with fellow pilots, kind of like SH3's Commander utility (where you could visit the bar and such). In previous WWI aviation games, like Red Baron 3D and likewise in OFF, you just sort of fly with these names, you never get to actually see their faces or interact with them on the ground. This is going to change it all.

Hopefully, their new documentary genre takes on interest in the gaming community.:up:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I've been debating wheather or not to get off but I think I'll hold out until RoF is out instead.:up:

[Stealth Hunter]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:)

[Subtype Zero]

The graphics look very nice indeed. However, I didn't see anything on the ROF web site about a release date. When can we expect it to be released? Thanks.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:) I don't think so eather, the graphics in this game are amazing I don't think that IL-2 can compare graphics-wise. And the detail is quite astounding, you can see the driving rods on a steam engine moving, tank treads moving, and tires turning. This is a turning point in air combat simulations!:yep:

[Dowly]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:) I don't think so eather, the graphics in this game are amazing I don't think that IL-2 can compare graphics-wise. And the detail is quite astounding, you can see the driving rods on a steam engine moving, tank treads moving, and tires turning. This is a turning point in air combat simulations!:yep:

Cant really compare to IL2, now can you. BoB:SoW will be having same detail or very close atleast.

[Biggles]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:) I don't think so eather, the graphics in this game are amazing I don't think that IL-2 can compare graphics-wise. And the detail is quite astounding, you can see the driving rods on a steam engine moving, tank treads moving, and tires turning. This is a turning point in air combat simulations!:yep:

Cant really compare to IL2, now can you. BoB:SoW will be having same detail or very close atleast.

But I for one don't know much about SoW, mostly because there is so little information from them...:nope:

[Dowly]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:) I don't think so eather, the graphics in this game are amazing I don't think that IL-2 can compare graphics-wise. And the detail is quite astounding, you can see the driving rods on a steam engine moving, tank treads moving, and tires turning. This is a turning point in air combat simulations!:yep:
Cant really compare to IL2, now can you. BoB:SoW will be having same detail or very close atleast.
But I for one don't know much about SoW, mostly because there is so little information from them...:nope:
We know that treads will be moving and acting to the terrain, cars have suspension, openable doors etc. Trains have their little thingies moving as it moves. Flak guns will be animated accurately as they fire etc. etc. So, pretty much same if not more on what ROF will offer.

I wouldnt be surprised if SoW and ROF team are working together behind the scenes to some extent. Looking at the screenshots of ROF, it looks very familiar, especially the terrain. :yep:

[Stealth Hunter]

The graphics look very nice indeed. However, I didn't see anything on the ROF web site about a release date. When can we expect it to be released? Thanks.

Sometime this year.

[GSpector]

I don't think you'll be disappointed with ROF.:) I don't think so eather, the graphics in this game are amazing I don't think that IL-2 can compare graphics-wise. And the detail is quite astounding, you can see the driving rods on a steam engine moving, tank treads moving, and tires turning. This is a turning point in air combat simulations!:yep:
Cant really compare to IL2, now can you. BoB:SoW will be having same detail or very close atleast.
But I for one don't know much about SoW, mostly because there is so little information from them...:nope:
We know that treads will be moving and acting to the terrain, cars have suspension, openable doors etc. Trains have their little thingies moving as it moves. Flak guns will be animated accurately as they fire etc. etc. So, pretty much same if not more on what ROF will offer.

I wouldnt be surprised if SoW and ROF team are working together behind the scenes to some extent. Looking at the screenshots of ROF, it looks very familiar, especially the terrain. :yep:

If I am not mistaken, the grass you see in the close up shot of SoW was only a flat grass fill-in texture for what they will really use. I think I remember them describing that they plan to use more realistic grass that is not flat.

[Stealth Hunter]

Needs a bump.

[GSpector]

Has anyone received Phase 3 yet or writen a review yet?

[Catfish]

Hello,
i still have to wait for the 1st of february ;) , but there are already quite a lot of people who bought and play it, have a look at the Simouthouse OFF forum (but seems to be down at the moment). There is already a patch 1.1 out, dealing with smaller problems, however online sessions work, and TrackIR has produced a driver directly supporting OFF for XP, and Vista.
Greetings,
Catfish

[BadKarma1001]

I got mine today and love it! The same kind of immersion, even higher than the good old Red Baron!
Someone made a nice dogfight movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khyJeqg8InI