Over Flanders Fields

[Biggles]

I E-mailed an admin over at their forums and kindly asked why I for some reason couldn't become a new member. That must've been over two weeks ago, still no answer...

Oh well...

[XabbaRus]

You can't just register? You have to be approved?

[Catfish]

Hello,
i have two eMail adresses in Germany, one at www.web.de (http://www.web.de), the other at www.gmx.de (http://www.gmx.de), and there is no problem at all with registering at simouthouse. This site is one of the best for MS's flight sims, so ... Just click on register here http://www.sim-outhouse.com/ (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/), enter your eMail addy, invent a password and that's it - there was never a problem before ? :o
Greetings,
Catfish

[sandman383]

Hey All!

I'm new to this site! Very Nice! Very Nice! :)

This thread was a very informative read. Thank you!
All I have been flying about in has been IL2-1946 and OFF(2.0)!
I have no idea of ROF! Looks great!

I thought the only substantial WW1 Sim due to come out was Knights of the Sky.

Unfortunately, after getting hints that KOS was due out this last year, over and over, and it didn't!
I have almost given up on it!

So now I'm torn between OFF(3.0), ROF and maybe KOS?

Do any of you see any issues in getting Freetrack 2.2 running with OFF(3.0) and ROF?

[Fincuan]

I wouldn't know about the others questions you asked, but I do know a thing or two on Freetrack: If TrackIR works in the game Freetrack works too, they both use the same interface. If the game does not support TrackIR there's still a good change FT will work in one of its "non-TIR" modes. Check the Freetrack forums for more information, there's plenty of that :up:

[HunterICX]

Hey All!

I'm new to this site! Very Nice! Very Nice! :)


Welcome to Subsim :yeah:

just to give you a hint:

Knights of the sky (KoTS) is renamed Rise of Flight (RoF) ;)

HunterICX

[Stealth Hunter]

So now I'm torn between OFF(3.0), ROF and maybe KOS?


Just so you know, ROF and KOS are the same thing. Gennadich just renamed the project.:salute:

Anywho, here's a few videos of ROF:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mEW4MU9A78&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mEW4MU9A78&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJkNR_CobE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJkNR_CobE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05j7VLlEjFU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05j7VLlEjFU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsGMxdFDAQ&e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsGMxdFDAQ&e)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiq64mmUHyE&e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiq64mmUHyE&e)

I'm personally much more happy about ROF, Sandman. OFF looks nice, but it's a mod, and this is the first time they've decided to charge for it (why? who can say; previous versions were free, and now they do this). Putting the $50 price aside, ROF uses a state of the art engine to simulate air particles (for everything from smoke to fire; this also affects the handling of your plane), water (which basically causes rivers to flow with an actual current), and a damage model which dynamically simulates bullet holes and structural damage.

Just read about some of the features ROF has on their site. You can visit their blog here:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx (http://riseofflight.com/Blogs.aspx)

Happy flying!:salute:

[Stealth Hunter]

http://www.gameland.ru/post/43947/img/1917-war-in-sky-01.jpg

[Catfish]

Hello,
OFF patch 1.2 out now.
B.t.w. how do you post picture here WITHOUT something like Photobucket ?
Greetings,
Catfish

[Dowly]

B.t.w. how do you post picture here WITHOUT something like Photobucket ?


You cant. Subsim doesnt have attachments, so you need to host the pic to a imagehosting site first.

[jayo]

OFF P3 is payware because basically even though it is a mod,what you get is a standalone sim.There is VERY LITTLE in P3 that you can equate to CFS3,it looks,feels and flies nothing like CFS3.
If you didnt know it uses the CFS3 engine,you would never know.

Patch v1.2 for OFF BHaH has taken it to a whole new level.

Thats why.:rock:

[Biggles]

Well, it sounds good to me...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Hi,
some screenshots from OFF phase 3 here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=10891 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=10891)
I have quite some own ones from Phase 1 and 2, but not P3 yet.
Greetings,
Catfish

[Catfish]

Hello,
my OFF P3 dvd arrived a few days ago, and i am still learning - flight models are different from phase 2, and i have been shot down 5 times lol. With switching this radar help screen, target cone and whatever to off, surviving is hard work, must be the hardest sim i ever virtually "flew". First time experience that i would have probably not become an "ace" :o. Oh the shock.

There is already a review here:
http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_401b.html (http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_401b.html)

And the OFF forum has moved from Simouthouse to Combatsim.com:
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showforum=204 (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showforum=204)
Maybe because Dowly indeed introduced himself ?? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

[Olham54]

Hi, all
Found OFF - Phase 2 in October 2008 through websearching for a WW1 sim.
There weren't any newer ones, and I still dreamt of something like "Dawn Patrol" or "Flying Corps".
And with OFF, I had found that. And it was even for free; a guy from Canada sent me a copy. They asked for donation, but most people didn't make any (me included, to be honest), and when it came to Phase 3, they decided to make it an official buy-ware. After years of working on what has now become THE NO.1 WW1 combat sim, there's nothing wrong with that.

Meanwhile, "Over Flanders Fields - Between Heaven and Hell" has been patched up to the most immersive sim I could have dreamt of. The feel is just incredible, climbing into my Albatros cockpit, taking off, and flying over those beautifully made terrains, through great weather simulation with sometimes dramatic thunder clouds towering - until I encounter enemy planes. Then comes one of the greatest achievements: the AI pilots. They behave like real human multiplayer opponents. Fighting is such a challange here, that I find it hard to survive. I must really do something for it; must learn to know the good and bad sides of my and the opponents plane, must remember the rules, change tactics etc.
Although I get my nose punched regularly, I come back to it every day. I want to become a good WW1 pilot. I want to last longer than the average 17 hours. I'd like to collect a tall kill tally. All that is (at full realism settings) damn hard, and a real challenge for a combat flight simmer.
I don't need anything else (except a new graphic card)...
Cheers. Olham

[Dowly]

Maybe because Dowly indeed introduced himself ?? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Nope, never registered. And for the love of gawd cant you ppl spell my name right?! It's not Dowley, it's not Downly, it's DOWLY. *tears his hair and runs screaming out for a smoke*

EDIT: Ow wait, I do have an account at combatsim. Wohoo!

[Catfish]

Hello,

Oh nooo Dowly found us, we're all gonna die :rotfl:
... at least i spelt your name right this time :03:
The last time i saw this finnish ferret the avatar looked a bit "healthier" lol
Greetings,
Catfish

[rabu]

OFF screnshots for your enjoyment :yeah:

http://rhoag.com/Forums/OFF/Screenshots/Esc89%20wasp%2006b.jpg
Escadrille 89

[rabu]

Over Flanders Fields Phase III

http://rhoag.com/Forums/OFF/Screenshots/Shot02-15-09-15-03-01.jpg

[Catfish]

Hello,
some more OFF p3 screenshots

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/EIIIandBE2cgoingdown.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/HlDIIandDrachen.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/HalberstadtagainstBE2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/HalberstadtDII-IIIflightof3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/HalberstadtDIIinflight.jpg


And some footage from "Red Baron", the movie .. the film's not worth it, if you look in Youtube for Red Baron the film, you will see the best without having to watch the film ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJghJNAjc1k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIcgfxSP_f4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-58SS77U84

Greetings,
Catfish

[rabu]

Nice shots, Catfish :yeah:

[Stealth Hunter]

Here's another video of "Der Rote Baron":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-njAkTUepA&feature=related

[Catfish]

Hello

a new major patch, and two small ones: 1st small for "hard" damage model, the other for "normal". Can be applied either after the main patch (version 1.30). Can be dl'd here:

http://www.overflandersfields.com/Downloads.htm

When testing the new patch i got my pilot instantly killed by a flight of Nieuport 16s from :shifty:.

While the AI was already vicious, if not close to the ground (more trying to avoid trees than my bullets), it is now as mean as it is at high altitudes. The nupes staid glued to my tail even at treetop level. I am looking forward to any mission without enemy contact, must be getting old ... i AM old ? well ..

Greetings,
Catfish

[Stealth Hunter]

My neighbor was gracious enough to loan me P3 for a week. I'm going to try it out for you guys, and post my thoughts (and some screenshots).

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm finished with it for the next day or so. I'm not impressed so far. Installed CFS3 and the 3.1 patch, installed OFF and the 1.30 patch, started a career, went to fly, got an error. Some file, "configOverrides.XML", not found in my Documents and Settings route. Dropped back to the main menu. I found the file, put it back in the Documents and Settings route, tried to start a mission, got dropped back to the main menu for no ****ing reason.

So far, the stability issues are exactly the same as P2's (I had these exact same problems way back when). The OFF Manager has not been fixed in terms of errors and stability (it's changed the order around a bit and added the multiplayer feature). I'm also not going to fight with it right now because I could be playing Full Canvas Jacket right now. I am really not impressed with their design scheme, at all.

[Catfish]

Hello,
well i do not think i can change your mind from hating OFF ;), but at least here i guess i know what's wrong - you did not configure the CFS3 config executable to adapt OFF P3 to your PC. Aprt from the sliders there are also the custom settings in the config.exe to adapt (this vertex buffers etc. check boxes).
Since there are now dual and quad processors, 32 and 64 bit XPs and 32 and 64 bit Vista versions, as well as nvidia and ati cards with differing Ram, some basic settings are vital for the sim to work.

The proc. should at least be a 2Ghz one (dual processors have to be both 2 GHz), and 2 Gb of Ram would be fine. You also need a decent fast graphic card with at least 512 Mb, and to see Flanders fields in full glory with ALL config sliders maxed out at 5 there is currently no rig that would be able to do it. OFF has nothing to do with CFS3 graphic- and performance-wise.
Then after an install it has to inititialize once, but it should work automatically.
Didi you use the CFS3 CD version, or the DVD version ? Because with the CD-version CFS3 must be installed (or so i think) and at least run once (start a mission and that's it) to set up directories before installing OFF - not necessary with the DVD version.

There is a readme in the main install folder, usually being in the C:\OBDsoftware\OverFlandersFields, or maybe C:\programs\OBD ... directory. Name is "OFF P3 Read Me 281008" as txt, doc and rtf. Then there is Polovski's FAQ page, the OFF home page and the forums at SimHQ, Combatace.com etc..

I have installed OFF one time without any error, and the installation routine has been reported by almost all users to be straightforward and without any problems this time - apart from the things listed i don't know what's going on there :-?

Have fun!
Catfish

[Cameljockey]

It's pretty obvious SH, that you have never flown any version of OFF (or it's been so long that you forgot) because if you had, you'd know about the config requirement. So all BS aside, I'll overlook your bashing ways and assist you in getting BH&H up and running. Then after you get your a$$ shot off a few times by the awesome AI you'll understand what all of the fuss is about. The AI in RB (and consequently in FCJ also) wouldn't make a pimple on these guys butt! I know from experience.
When you start OFF Manager, click on "Workshops". Click the box that says "Graphics Config" and wait.
When you see the message "CFS3 has been configured", click "File", "Custom Settings", "OK".
Click "Window" and you'll see the graphics sliders. If I knew your system specs I could more accurately advise on settings for the sliders, but since I don't, just set them low to start and then you can bump them up until you are comfortable with the graphics quality and framerates. The top slider "Overall Graphics Quality" really has no effect in OFF. With my rig I have the settings as follows:
Aircraft Detail-5
Terrain Detail- 4
Scenery Detail-4
Effects Quality-5
Cloud Quality-1 (no discernable difference from 1-5 so to save fps I keep it on 1)

Click "Window", "Overrides".
The settings for Nvidia and ATI based cards are different. I don't know your specs so I'll post the Nvidia settings. I have the ATI settings if you need them.
Nvidia settings:
Deselect "Dual Pass Render"
Select "Disable Intro Movie", "High Resolution Z Buffer", "Terrain Detail Texture", "Disable Validate Device", "Disable Write Only Vertex Buffers", and "Disable Write Only Index Buffers"
Click "Window", "Texture Info".
Composite Aircraft Texture Pool- Managed
Composite Aircraft Texture Usage-Render Target
Composite Terrain Texture Pool-Managed
Composite Terrain Texture Usage-Render Target
Click "OK", "File", and then "Exit"
Don't use the red "X" to exit because you're settings won't stick!
You should now be able to fly. Be sure and go to "Workshops" and set up the sim to your liking. If you need any further assistance, feel free to pm me here or at Combat Ace. Have fun!

CJ

[iambecomelife]

To the OFF players here, do the latest versions fix the problem with burning planes not crashing? Red Baron 3d always depicted crewmembers leaping out when their craft caught fire, so it was annoying to play OFF and see burning aircraft fighting as though there was nothing wrong.

[Cameljockey]

The flying flamers are history. Since it's release, OFF BH&H has undergone some drastic changes due to the numerous patches released to fix or improve things that players pointed out. The AI is about as close as you'll get to fighting against humans. They use teamwork and real tactics, not the climb and stall that was so prevalent in Phase 2. I've been flying sims for years and consider myself a pretty good sim pilot, but the AI in OFF BH&H have handed me my head on a platter on numerous occasions. The good thing is that almost everything is scalable and you can customize the game to fit your likes and abilities.
CJ

[Stealth Hunter]

Hello,
well i do not think i can change your mind from hating OFF ;),

The second it starts working, I'll start hating it less.:roll:

but at least here i guess i know what's wrong - you did not configure the CFS3 config executable to adapt OFF P3 to your PC.

Did that already. Right after I installed it, I clicked the OFF Manager file and the game booted up and the CFS3 Configuration menu came up. I set everything to three, since that's what I played P2 on.

Aprt from the sliders there are also the custom settings in the config.exe to adapt (this vertex buffers etc. check boxes).

I didn't see anything about the vertex boxes under the Custom Settings option, just the resolution you wanted to play on and how many antialiasing units you wanted to use (I chose 8).

Since there are now dual and quad processors, 32 and 64 bit XPs and 32 and 64 bit Vista versions, as well as nvidia and ati cards with differing Ram, some basic settings are vital for the sim to work.

Well I was able to use P2 with no problems way back when... then I started getting these exact same "file missing" and "invalid file" errors.

The proc. should at least be a 2Ghz one (dual processors have to be both 2 GHz), and 2 Gb of Ram would be fine. You also need a decent fast graphic card with at least 512 Mb, and to see Flanders fields in full glory with ALL config sliders maxed out at 5 there is currently no rig that would be able to do it. OFF has nothing to do with CFS3 graphic- and performance-wise.

My current processor is a 2.4 GHz AMD 64 Athlon X2 Processor +4200 rated at 6.30 GHz according to System Requirements Lab.COM. It's not the problem. I've also got two (now) Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS cards with 256 MB each acting as a single GPU. It can run other games such as Call of Duty World at War and Microsoft Flight Simulator X with no problem (WaW on high to medium-high settings to average off at 60 FPS; FSX on very high settings to average off at around 80-100 FPS).

Additionally, my computer has plenty of memory and free space to be used for applications.

Then after an install it has to inititialize once, but it should work automatically.

Well it made it to the main menu, but not into the actual game. I have no idea. A reinstall will probably and hopefully resolve the issue (I'm placing my money on it now). I tried the new patch to see if it would make any difference but to no avail.

Didi you use the CFS3 CD version, or the DVD version ?

CD version. I had the install find the main files (that it said were required) from the CFS3 files installed on my computer, not from the CD.

Because with the CD-version CFS3 must be installed (or so i think)

Yeah. The back of the jewel case says you have to have the base game installed first before you insert the OFF CD and commence the installation process.

and at least run once (start a mission and that's it) to set up directories before installing OFF - not necessary with the DVD version.

I did that too. Hell I even did the old P2 thing with flying the P47s before installing the mod.

There is a readme in the main install folder, usually being in the C:\OBDsoftware\OverFlandersFields, or maybe C:\programs\OBD ... directory. Name is "OFF P3 Read Me 281008" as txt, doc and rtf. Then there is Polovski's FAQ page, the OFF home page and the forums at SimHQ, Combatace.com etc..

I tried Polovski's website, but the page I got was for P2. I assume it will still work for P3. First, I'm going to try a reinstall to see if that fixes all the problems I've been encountering.

I have installed OFF one time without any error, and the installation routine has been reported by almost all users to be straightforward and without any problems this time - apart from the things listed i don't know what's going on there

We shall find out soon enough.

[Cameljockey]

originally posted by Stealth Hunter
I've also got two (now) Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS cards with 256 MB each acting as a single GPU

Actually SH, you don't meet the recommended requirements for graphics memory. 256Mb is not much graphics memory for OFF. You might need to drop your Terrain and Scenery sliders to 2 if you want decent fps.

CJ

[Stealth Hunter]

That's 256 MB per card. Together, they act as a 512 MB card.

And the game runs fine now on high settings (turned clouds down to one and everything else up to 4, except effects and aircraft detail which I put on 5). I left RADAR on and turned increased activity on the front up to give you guys an idea of what the game can be. Screenshots will be up in a minute or two. Photobucket is being slow on me ATM.

[Cameljockey]

Actually, SH, you're wrong. When running SLI with 2 256Mb cards, you only have 256Mb of usable memory. You can run two cards with different amounts of memory using Coolbits, but the usable memory will be the lesser of the two. If you don't believe me, go to SLI Zone and ask.

CJ

[Stealth Hunter]

Well it still runs on high... so...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/World%20War%20I/CFS32009-04-0517-40-33-76.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/World%20War%20I/CFS32009-04-0517-14-26-12.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/World%20War%20I/CFS32009-04-0517-04-30-10.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/World%20War%20I/CFS32009-04-0517-36-22-18.jpg

[Cameljockey]

What kind of fps are you getting with that rig on high settings?

CJ

[rabu]

..snip

I didn't see anything about the vertex boxes under the Custom Settings option, just the resolution you wanted to play on and how many antialiasing units you wanted to use (I chose 8)...snip.

SH: A couple of things, first, from your screen shot of the planes on the ground there is no texture showing.. something is wrong.
It looks like you haven't actually go into the settings, just the resolution and AA. The area you were in, set the resolution to your monitors and the AA to 8, then set your graphics card to what ever AA you want to try.. start with 2 and work up. ie: With my Nvidia 8800gts 320MB with 22"LCD, config file is set to 1680x1050x32 bit color 8xAA and my card is set to 8xQ

What you didn't mention was getting into the settings. In the config window you were in, click the file menu --> custom settings (click OK at the warning) and adjust the slidders, then click on the window menu, and choose the next screen to make adjustments in, and so on with each of the setting groups under the window menu. Using the readme file guide settings.

One other point, there is a problem using sli set ups of cards.. if you go on the Combat Ace OFF forum they can help you, I don't know enough about it, I just remember some others had problems and it's fixable.

Would like to get you up and running right so you can enjoy OFF.

[Stealth Hunter]

What kind of fps are you getting with that rig on high settings?

CJ

Fairly good, between 40-60 fps. Takeoffs can be iffy, probably because of the dust particles they kick up (and with effects up to 5, it can get slow to around 15 fps but no lower).

[Cameljockey]

You do know that you can cap your framerates to cut out the fluctuation and stutter from one extreme fps to the other.
Go to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\ CFSWWI Over Flanders Fields\ Default. You'll see a file called CFS3.xml.

Open it with notepad or some other .xml editor and look for this line.
<Graphics OldAircraftRender="No" MaxFPS="0" />
Change the "0" to whatever cap you would like for example, change the "0" to "30" and your fps shouldn't exceed that. It helps because the extremes between 40fps and 15fps can cause stutter.
Try it. If it helps fine. If it don't, change it back!

CJ

[rabu]

Stealth Hunter, and others: This was posted on the OFF forum (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=39022) by WinstonDoRight, he has a dual set up and these are his settings:

Overrides settings:
Disable Intro Movie
High Resolution Z Buffer (deselect Dual Pass Render)
Terrain Detail Texture
Disable Validate Device
Disable Write-Only Vertex Buffers
Disable Write-Only Index Buffers

Texture Info:
Composite Terrain Texture Usage ....... Render Target
Composite Terrain Texture Pool ........ Managed

Composite Aircraft Texture Usage ....... Render Target
Composite Aircraft Texture Pool ........ Managed

Vertex Buffer Pool ....... D3DPool_Default
Index Buffer Pool ........ D3DPool_Default
Full Screen Swap Effect .. D3DSwapEffect_Discard


Nvidia control panel settings:
Anisotropic Filtering 8x
Antialiasing On
Antialiasing Mode Override
Antialiasing Setting 8xQ
Antialiasing Transparency Multisampling
Conformant Texture Clamp Use Hardware
Error Reporting Off
Extention Limits Off
Force Mipmaps Bilinear
Max Pre-rendered Frames 6
Multi-display/Mutilple Display Performance Mode
Texture Filtering-Anisotropic Sample Opitmizaion Off
Texture Filtering-NEG LOD bias Clamp
SLI performance mode Force split-frame rendering
Texture Filtering Quality Quality
Triple buffering On
Texture Filtering Trilinear Optimization On
Texture Filtering Ansiotropic mip filter opt... OFF
Threaded Optimization Auto
Vertical Sync Force On

I'm using an intel E8600 (not overclocked) with my 2 GTX 260's and I get an average of 60fps (45-50 in really bad weather)

[rabu]

Stealth Hunter: I was looking at your screen shots again and it's very strange, you have no ground texture and the scenery almost looks like the stock CFS3 scenery.. something very odd about it.

[Cameljockey]

If you want my opinion Rabu, it looks a lot like Phase 2 or BH&H on low settings. You reckon SH is running a con?

CJ

[rabu]

If you want my opinion Rabu, it looks a lot like Phase 2 or BH&H on low settings. You reckon SH is running a con?

CJ


No, I just think that his settings are messed up. I asked for some better advice from "the top" and they told me that most likely, "He is running terrain on 5's and overloaded his memory....so CFS3 has scaled back."

What I don't understand is why StelhHunter has not answered my posts.. either he has me on ignore or he missed my posts? :06:

Just trying to help, I would appreciate an answer, and I'm sure others would too.

[Cameljockey]

It could be a shortage of processor speed and graphics memory. He said he was running an AMD 2.4Ghz dual core processor and two 8600 GTS 256Mb, and says he's running BH&H at 5,4,4,5,1 and getting 40-60fps.:haha: He's scraping the bottom of the barrel in the graphics department, IMHO.

CJ

[Catfish]

Hello,
the PC does not loo too bad, i ran Phase 2 with a much bader one, but what's strange is it still looked better than those screenshots ?

I do not think it is the graphic card(s), beause when this gives up you see white landcapes, dots for trees and rather square blocks than clouds.
But the simple terrain at the "drome with those sawtooth shadows looks strange. StealthHunter if you come across again please tell me whether there's some improvement ?

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

P.S. Some new missions for P3 made by Pilotsden can be downloaded at Combatace.com, and there was a short "review" by 3dmotors here:
http://www.motorstv.com/videos?v=Xp_2MOOodw8&t=55

[Stealth Hunter]

You do know that you can cap your framerates to cut out the fluctuation and stutter from one extreme fps to the other.
Go to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\ CFSWWI Over Flanders Fields\ Default. You'll see a file called CFS3.xml.

Open it with notepad or some other .xml editor and look for this line.
<Graphics OldAircraftRender="No" MaxFPS="0" />
Change the "0" to whatever cap you would like for example, change the "0" to "30" and your fps shouldn't exceed that. It helps because the extremes between 40fps and 15fps can cause stutter.
Try it. If it helps fine. If it don't, change it back!

CJ

I've been using this technique for quite a while now, but thanks anyway.:up:

Stealth Hunter: I was looking at your screen shots again and it's very strange, you have no ground texture and the scenery almost looks like the stock CFS3 scenery.. something very odd about it.

Well it hasn't affected gameplay at all for me. Do you think it's an install problem?

What I don't understand is why StelhHunter has not answered my posts.. either he has me on ignore or he missed my posts? :06:

I actually forgot about the discussion, lol. I came by to check it today when I got an email about subscribed threads.

It could be a shortage of processor speed and graphics memory. He said he was running an AMD 2.4Ghz dual core processor and two 8600 GTS 256Mb, and says he's running BH&H at 5,4,4,5,1 and getting 40-60fps. He's scraping the bottom of the barrel in the graphics department, IMHO.

CJ

I turned the scenery down to a 3. And either way if it is a problem or not, it runs fine. I'm not going to be keeping it anyway.

[Cameljockey]

Suit yourself!

[rabu]

I've been using this technique for quite a while now, but thanks anyway.:up:



Well it hasn't affected gameplay at all for me. Do you think it's an install problem?



I actually forgot about the discussion, lol. I came by to check it today when I got an email about subscribed threads.



I turned the scenery down to a 3. And either way if it is a problem or not, it runs fine. I'm not going to be keeping it anyway.

Did you try the settings I listed above and the process to set them?
You might just have some bad settings.
I do with you luck on it.

[Stealth Hunter]

Did you try the settings I listed above and the process to set them?

You mean the file-editing thing? Yeah. That was one of the first things I did. It's OK though.

[rabu]

You mean the file-editing thing? Yeah. That was one of the first things I did. It's OK though.

The config.exe in the OFF Work Shops button, right? ... you set those all up re the settings I quoted above?
I just want to be sure that there aren't some setting mix ups that are causing your problems.

[rabu]

I just learned about Nvidia CSAA settings this morning.. it's an improved AA over the older MSAA improvement. It allows higher AA settings while reducing loading on the computer, so you can set 16x AA and it will act like it's only loading as much as 8x.
In order to use it in OFF you need to set your Nvidia Global setting to 16x "Enhance Application" setting.. it's pretty amazing the difference.. I'm actually getting better fps then I did with 8x "Application Controlled" setting.

For some reason, setting the program over ride only for the improvement did not over ride the lower Global setting of 8x I had before.

Here's a thread on it at CA (right click here and open in new window or tab) (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=39695)

[Catfish]

Hello,
you can download it from here, downloads section:
http://www.overflandersfields.com/

This was done by new information from the aerodrome forum as well as from user observations ..
Remember if you want to still play the "hard damage" mod you will have to install this AFTER the 1.30c patch again - if you are content with things how they are, just leave this out.


This will update v1.30 or higher of BH&H to V1.30c

Improvements and Fixes in V1.30c:
- Ground fire effect lessened across the board (Ground MG and Flak accuracy and range reduced)
- Ground fire "Realistic" setting renamed to "Hard". Normal is recommended realism
- Improvement on % rating for settings
- Observer gun bullet spread increased slightly across the board to help with accurate gunners
- Parabellum gunner accuracy fixed (was not variable and too accurate)
- Strutter observer gun down angle reduced
- Renamed Front and Rear Guns settings
- MG Tracer effects improved
- Sopwith Strutter damage model wings strength reduced
- Albatros D.V. and D.V. later damage model tweak (small fix aileron cable location)
- Sopwith Triplane minor damage model tweak

Greetings,
Catfish

[Catfish]

Hello,

OFF review at Epic-Geek, nice if a bit short. It even compares OFF with Rof - Clark Gable and John Wayne LOL

http://www.epic-geek.com/2009/05/over-flanders-fields-between-heaven.html

Greetings,
Catfish

[GSpector]

Well, I'm happy to say that I finally was able to get my copy and even had some fun flying.

Only glitch I had was at the end on Mission 2, the sim seemed to have locked up for about 10 minutes just after the engine stopped. :damn:

I restarted and checked my states. I was bummed to see it only showed 1 Mission flown. When I ended the next Mission, it now shows I flew 3 Missions but only logged 2 :doh:

I just have 1 question, I saw where the "Realism" was set to 100. Is there a way to change the Realism setting?

[Catfish]

Hello Spector,

" ...I restarted and checked my states. I was bummed to see it only showed 1 Mission flown. When I ended the next Mission, it now shows I flew 3 Missions but only logged 2 :doh: ..."

don't know what happend there - there are a lot of settings that can be changed, so unless you have a vanilla installation ... one thing is that e.g. single or quick missions usually do not count as missions in campaign, those flight modes are separated - so they will not show up there. You CAN however change this in the workshop settings. But if you changed this and your pilot dies in a quick or single mission he will also be dead in campaign, and you will have to create a new pilot. I have to admit it took some time for me to accept this kind of dealing with pilot "roles", but i began to like it after a few campaigns ... never reached the 17 hours surviving time though lol.

" ... I just have 1 question, I saw where the "Realism" was set to 100. Is there a way to change the Realism setting? ..."

Hello, well there's the so-called "workshop" button available from the main menu, and you can adjust all kinds of behaviour there. Accuracy of enemy shots, of own, its velocity, how "real" or "forgiving" the flight model is etc., and you will see the realism number at the lower left according to your settings. However OFF is designed to be flown by real settings if it concerns the flight model - so i would not at least change this to get the most real behaviour out of the different planes. Only exception probably being the Fokker Dr.I, which seems to behave more "real" with easy FM settings - according to some comment of a pilot who flew a replica with rotary engine.

I am still having a blast with OFF, but i admit i am also looking forward to RoF - maybe they will somehow turn down this online request even to fly single missions, because general dislike aside this will most probably be illegal in the EU. But then i guess this will be also cracked sooner or later via redirecting ports or whatever hrrrm ..

Greetings,
Catfish

[GSpector]

Hello Spector,

" ...I restarted and checked my states. I was bummed to see it only showed 1 Mission flown. When I ended the next Mission, it now shows I flew 3 Missions but only logged 2 :doh: ..."

don't know what happend there - there are a lot of settings that can be changed, so unless you have a vanilla installation ... one thing is that e.g. single or quick missions usually do not count as missions in campaign, those flight modes are separated - so they will not show up there. You CAN however change this in the workshop settings. But if you changed this and your pilot dies in a quick or single mission he will also be dead in campaign, and you will have to create a new pilot. I have to admit it took some time for me to accept this kind of dealing with pilot "roles", but i began to like it after a few campaigns ... never reached the 17 hours surviving time though lol.

" ... I just have 1 question, I saw where the "Realism" was set to 100. Is there a way to change the Realism setting? ..."

Hello, well there's the so-called "workshop" button available from the main menu, and you can adjust all kinds of behaviour there. Accuracy of enemy shots, of own, its velocity, how "real" or "forgiving" the flight model is etc., and you will see the realism number at the lower left according to your settings. However OFF is designed to be flown by real settings if it concerns the flight model - so i would not at least change this to get the most real behaviour out of the different planes. Only exception probably being the Fokker Dr.I, which seems to behave more "real" with easy FM settings - according to some comment of a pilot who flew a replica with rotary engine.

I am still having a blast with OFF, but i admit i am also looking forward to RoF - maybe they will somehow turn down this online request even to fly single missions, because general dislike aside this will most probably be illegal in the EU. But then i guess this will be also cracked sooner or later via redirecting ports or whatever hrrrm ..

Greetings,
Catfish


Thank you for the reply. I was only able to last 4 flown missions before my end :dead: I had not tried the single missions yet, just campaign.

I too am no fan of online missions.

I was curious what the "workshop" was. I thought that was where I could paint my aircraft so that's why I had not looked there. I did look after my last message here and was able to see what it offered for realism and how it changed after updating my version.

I am still enjoying the sim and the visuals:yeah:

[iambecomelife]

Hey guys; out of curiosity, how long did it take you to receive your copies? It's been about a month for me & I'm still being kept in suspense by the distributor (not to criticize the OFF team itself, which has been trying to help me deal with their antics). Oh well; at least they were quick to charge my credit card...:roll:

[GSpector]

Hey guys; out of curiosity, how long did it take you to receive your copies? It's been about a month for me & I'm still being kept in suspense by the distributor (not to criticize the OFF team itself, which has been trying to help me deal with their antics). Oh well; at least they were quick to charge my credit card...:roll:

Wow, I think I waited just under 1 week for my copy. I paid using PayPal and was sent a confirmation of the order within a few minutes of the order.

I live in Colorado, so I don't know if that makes a difference since I don't know where you live.

[GSpector]

Ok, now that I've upgraded to ver. 1.30c, I'm really having problems completing a mission.:damn:

I'm not talking about the missions being harder, I'm talking about just finishing, dead or alive. Seems that at random times, I'll just be flying around, either in combat or not, I will just get booted back to the after mission screen where I can start a new mission.

Has anyone else had this problem?

I've uninstalled CFS 3 and OFF now and re-install, patched with newest version on CFS3 and OFF 1.30, then 1.30c. Still the same problem.

Is the latest patch buggy?

[Cameljockey]

Just out of curiosity, what are your system specs and what are your graphics sliders set at? I'll help any way I can.

CJ

[GSpector]

Just out of curiosity, what are your system specs and what are your graphics sliders set at? I'll help any way I can.

CJ

Thank you forthe offer.

I think I was able to fix the problem. I was reading the FAQ's on the Official OFF Board and noticed some possible issues that were related to either Memory Stick problems or available Memory issues.

4GB of RAM (though WinXP only reports 3.25GB)
512MB Ram on the NVidia 8600GS
AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core 4600+ (2.40 GHz CPU)

I decided to set Aircraft & Details to 4, Clouds & Terrain to 3 and that "seems" to have fixed the problem.

Now the only crashing I seem to do is shortly after I run into Fokker Dr.1's . I think the fix for that is to "Turn & Run":D

So far, I've lasted just a bit over 5 hours :yeah: but of my 16 claims, only 4 were approved :hmmm:

[Cameljockey]

Glad to hear you have it sorted out, GSpector!

CJ

PS: How do I change my avatar on this forum?

[GSpector]

Glad to hear you have it sorted out, GSpector!

CJ

PS: How do I change my avatar on this forum?

To change the Avatar, I think you need to beg & Plead to the powers that be, here on the site, or it may be listed in the FAQ's somewhere :up:

[Raptor1]

Glad to hear you have it sorted out, GSpector!

CJ

PS: How do I change my avatar on this forum?

More posts or a donation (For a custom one)...

[Cameljockey]

Thanks guys. If I start spending a little more time here I might subscribe. Not too spiffy on the subsims though. Maybe I spent too much time around Lafayette class boomers and LA class fast boats. These days I like to stay above sea level. I'll be in and out though.

Later,
CJ

[GSpector]

Just wondering how you other guys (and gals, if any) are doing in the Sim.

Currently, I am flying for the US, flown just over 10 Hours, 21 Confirmed Air Victories, and 4 Medals.

I know I set the realism down a bit to see if I can get into and enjoy this Sim but I just have 1 questions about the Medals.

How many different Medals are there for the US side. I seem to have 4 of the same.:hmmm:

[Cameljockey]

I really can't tell you about the US medals as I haven't flown a US campaign yet. I abhor SPADS. I'd rather fly a Fokker!

CJ

[GSpector]

I really can't tell you about the US medals as I haven't flown a US campaign yet. I abhor SPADS. I'd rather fly a Fokker!

CJ

Actually, I picked a Unit that flys Sopwith Camel's. I never tried the Spad.

I do plan to create a new Pilot and fly for the German's so that I can fly the Fokker Dr.1 :D

I hope the German Campaign's have more than 1 Medal. The Medal of Honor is impressive to earn but 4 is ridiculus and unbelievable.

[Cameljockey]

The DrI is my favorite except from mid 1918 until the Armistice, when they were too slow to be useful. The DVII is off the chain. A definite SPAD eater.

CJ

[iambecomelife]

Well, I found out the "distributor" never bothered to ship OFF, despite sending me an email that said otherwise. So I'm out $39.00 with nothing to show for it after about 40 days. Way to go.:up:

On a more serious note, at leasr Mark/Winding Man from OFF has been a big help in trying to get this squared away.

[Cameljockey]

Sorry to hear you're having problems. It happens. WM will get you straight though. I got mine lightning fast. I ordered on 30 January (a Friday) at it was in the mailbox on Monday, 2 February. Over the weekend from California to Carolina. I guess I was lucky.

CJ

[Dowly]

The Medal of Honor is impressive to earn but 4 is ridiculus and unbelievable.

I think it's safe to say that even getting one is abit unbelievable. :hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

I think it's safe to say that even getting one is abit unbelievable. :hmmm:

Agreed. Frank Luke only got one, lol, and that was a posthumus award.

[Dowly]

Agreed. Frank Luke only got one, lol, and that was a posthumus award.

And even that isnt a clear case according to our beloved friend, Wikipedia.

Citation:
After having previously destroyed a number of enemy aircraft within 17 days he voluntarily started on a patrol after German observation balloons. Though pursued by 8 German planes which were protecting the enemy balloon line, he unhesitatingly attacked and shot down in flames 3 German balloons, being himself under heavy fire from ground batteries and the hostile planes. Severely wounded, he descended to within 50 meters of the ground, and flying at this low altitude near the town of Murvaux opened fire upon enemy troops, killing 6 and wounding as many more. Forced to make a landing and surrounded on all sides by the enemy, who called upon him to surrender, he drew his automatic pistol and defended himself gallantly until he fell dead from a wound in the chest.

The citation contained errors attributable to confused accounts from French witnesses to Luke's final flight. He was not intercepted by German fighters; he did not strafe enemy troops before his forced landing; and he was not "surrounded on all sides." [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luke#cite_note-5)

[Cameljockey]

They're working to straighten out the medals thing. That part of the sim never has been that great. Hopefully it'll be a lot better once they get through with it.

CJ

[AngusJS]

I just ordered my copy! The price is now $30.

[GSpector]

They're working to straighten out the medals thing. That part of the sim never has been that great. Hopefully it'll be a lot better once they get through with it.

CJ

Who could I contact to make a few suggestions? I have always had an interest in Military Decorations and not just from the US.

I even managed to create a chart I used with B-17: The Mighty Eighth to figure out how to earn as much as 17 Awards (Medals & Ribbons) of that time frame. 13 were already determined in the Sim. No one ever earned them all (as that would not have been believable) but the potential was there. Most Crewmen earned about 6-8, very few earned a few over that. I just added the POW, and commendations as well as Unit Awards and a few Badges based on skills already listed in the Sim. All 120 Uniforms sure looked impressive and believable at the end of the Campaign.I think it took me 2 hours to update all 120 Records at the end of each flight. I really hated to lose a Crewman and it was not much fun to have to create a new Record to replace a fallen Crewman.

For OFF, I have a chart that has 20 (though several did not exist in WW1), I just used current Air Force Awards for the Chart, not just Army Air Corps Awards since I did not have a good picture of a WW1 Uniform to use for the template, Which I would only suggest WW1 era awards to OBD.


The Purple Heart and POW Medals were not earned during my greatest moments :03:

The Medal of Honor would never have been award based on my chart. I limited it to 50 hours of flight, or 100 confirmed Aerial Victories or 100 confirmed Ground Victories. So far, I only have 24 Confirmed Aerial Victories out of 43 Claimed.

[rabu]

Who could I contact to make a few suggestions? I have always had an interest in Military Decorations and not just from the US.

I even managed to create a chart I used with B-17: The Mighty Eighth to figure out how to earn as much as 17 Awards (Medals & Ribbons) of that time frame. 13 were already determined in the Sim. No one ever earned them all (as that would not have been believable) but the potential was there. Most Crewmen earned about 6-8, very few earned a few over that. I just added the POW, and commendations as well as Unit Awards and a few Badges based on skills already listed in the Sim. All 120 Uniforms sure looked impressive and believable at the end of the Campaign.I think it took me 2 hours to update all 120 Records at the end of each flight. I really hated to lose a Crewman and it was not much fun to have to create a new Record to replace a fallen Crewman.

For OFF, I have a chart that has 20 (though several did not exist in WW1), I just used current Air Force Awards for the Chart, not just Army Air Corps Awards since I did not have a good picture of a WW1 Uniform to use for the template, Which I would only suggest WW1 era awards to OBD.


The Purple Heart and POW Medals were not earned during my greatest moments :03:

The Medal of Honor would never have been award based on my chart. I limited it to 50 hours of flight, or 100 confirmed Aerial Victories or 100 confirmed Ground Victories. So far, I only have 24 Confirmed Aerial Victories out of 43 Claimed.

You can contact Shredward on the OFF Combat Ace forum. He is pretty good about getting back to people and would be interested in anything you have to add historically.

[GSpector]

You can contact Shredward on the OFF Combat Ace forum. He is pretty good about getting back to people and would be interested in anything you have to add historically.

Great, thanks for the information. I'd like to suggest the following Awards for WW1:

Medal of Honor (1904-1944 design, already used)
Distinguished Service Cross (after July 9,1918)
Certificate of Merit (same as above but Prior to July 9, 1918)
Distinguished Service Medal (Authorized April 6, 1917)
Silver Star (After July 9, 1918)
Citation Star (same as above but Prior to July 9, 1918)
Purple Heart (Approved for wear after After April 5, 1917)
Prisoner of War Medal (Approved for wear after After April 5, 1917)
World War 1 Victory Medal

So, there were only about 7 Awards back then but at least it's better than just the Medal of Honor.

[FIREWALL]

I just got CFS3 at Target store online for $9.99 sooooo.

I'd like to try OFF phase 1 & 2 to see if I want to order phase 3.

Anyone have a link for 1 & 2 D\L ?

[Biggles]

Anyone have a link for 1 & 2 D\L ?

Last time I checked, they removed them from their website, so now you have to ask someone about a DVD with it:shifty:

[FIREWALL]

I guess with the release of ROF and their online only policy and OFF continually shooting themselves in the foot and alienateing themselves from future customers.

One has to ask oneself are, either of these "Small Potatoes" worth the price ?


Abacus has a WWI addon for FSX & MS 2004

http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

From a long established software co.

If ROF goes under some members will has expensive drink coaster software.

OFF... At least you will still have Something ?

With this economy Time will tell. Sadly.

[GSpector]

I guess with the release of ROF and their online only policy and OFF continually shooting themselves in the foot and alienateing themselves from future customers.

One has to ask oneself are, either of these "Small Potatoes" worth the price ?


Abacus has a WWI addon for FSX & MS 2004

http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

From a long established software co.

If ROF goes under some members will has expensive drink coaster software.

OFF... At least you will still have Something ?

With this economy Time will tell. Sadly.




You nailed the very reason that I do not like Sims that focus mainly on Internet or Co-Op play. Those features are fine but I do not enjoy them as much as others and I like knowing that a few years down the line, if I want too, I can re-install my Sims and not have to worry about the company still being in business or if there are still enough interested players online.

[FIREWALL]

@ GS Very well put. :salute:
Sadly I would like to have either one if it wasn't for all the baggage that comes with both.

[FIREWALL]

@ GS Very well put. :salute:
Sadly I would like to have either one if it wasn't for all the baggage that comes with both.

I just got CFS3.


Is there any way I can get OFF p1 & p2 ?

[Stealth Hunter]

They removed the download links for P2 after P3 came out. Only P3 is available, and you'll have to buy it. P1 hasn't been around on the web for years now either lol.

[Fincuan]

The fastest way to find it (http://tinyurl.com/mg2ajx)

[Stealth Hunter]

To the torrents!:D

[FIREWALL]

I guess nobody here wants to share their OFF Phase2 Mod with me. :hmmm:

[XabbaRus]

How have OFF shot themselves in the foot again?

[FIREWALL]

Well. Nobody, even OFF can say I didn't try to get the torrent OFF P-2 to work and try the Mod before Buying Phase3.

Someday some Big Player (maybe Ubisoft) will develope a WWI sim with no strings attached. Just a keycode to activate the Sim.

Till then Screw It. I have plenty of other fish to fly. :rotfl:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well. Nobody, even OFF can say I didn't try to get the torrent OFF P-2 to work and try the Mod before Buying Phase3.

Someday some Big Player (maybe Ubisoft) will develope a WWI sim with no strings attached. Just a keycode to activate the Sim.

Till then Screw It. I have plenty of other fish to fly. :rotfl: Dude OFF has changed a lot since Phase 2. I've still got it, but I'd rather get Phase 3 than Phase 2 cause Phase 3 is a like a compleatly seperate cfs than Phase 2. Or if you don't want to fly in OFF wait for OOF aka Canvas Knights at AAA.

[FIREWALL]

Let's see if I can put this in plain english so even YOU can understand it DUDE.


I AM NOT GOING TO BUY OFF PHASE 3 UNTIL I TRY THE MOD FIRST.

Even if phase 2 isn't quite what 3 is.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Let's see if I can put this in plain english so even YOU can understand it DUDE.


I AM NOT GOING TO BUY OFF PHASE 3 UNTIL I TRY THE MOD FIRST.

Even if phase 2 isn't quite what 3 is.


Hey you don't have to so freaking RUDE ABOUT IT!!!!!:down::nope: And why are lazy too ask one of the people on the OFF forums if one of them still has it and is willing to host it hhhmmm?:hmmm::stare::stare::stare::stare::doh: Or you can wait X number of years until ROF comes out in the US.:rotfl:

[FIREWALL]

I get rude at THICK HEADED PEOPLE. :stare:

One member here was kind enough to give me Phase2

While a couple of OFF fanboys talked $h!t and imo are equal to it.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I get rude at THICK HEADED PEOPLE. :stare:

One member here was kind enough to give me Phase2 Your the only Thick Headed Person here, I would of gave you phase2 but you act like an a$$ you get treated like one:nope::nope:.

[HunterICX]

Alright it got too hot here with those last couple of posts between the 2 of you.
My apologies for not having paid that much of attention to this thread the last days.

but now I've brought this....
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5443/00000117781firstalertfe.jpg
and I'm not afraid to use it.

Now, there is no need to be rude.
also I would like to remind, that we won't share links to OFF Phase 2 around here on Subsim, the OFF Dev team have wished no to do so.
we may not agree with their policy, but will have to follow them.

now I would like this thread to return to room temperature.

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

Time to whip out the ignore list again :yep:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Sorry about that Hunter, I've taken my chill pill. Firewall I'm sorry too for my unsightly comments, but typing in all cap locks in a sentence is consididered to be yelling on many fourms. So next time think before you type in cap locks.

[FIREWALL]

I was out of line too. I'm sorry Kptlt Hellmut Neuerburg. :oops:


btw I like P2 and I will have to get P3.

Can it be burned to cd, and how doe's the keycode work ?

P.S. Thx Hunter:up:

[Catfish]

Hi,
gawwd what's up with those people here ?

Abacus is some pretty graphics and you can fly some WW1 planes, but if you want to shoot, have a campaign or get any immersion from a WW1 landscape this is nothing to write home about. Flight model isn't very sophisticated either, your Albatros flies like a Cessna, all planes are far too forgiving, and a DM is virtually non-existant.

"Over Flanders Fields" Phase 1 and 2 were fine for free, they would sure have costed something were they made by a commercial company back then, incomplete and buggy as they were, but the OFF team decided to give it away for free. So why does anyone complain they do not have it for free download anymore, when there is a new and better version without bugs? Anyone who plays phase 2 now will take it for "nearly the same as phase 3" - bullsh!t and not a good advertisement.

Maybe a subsim forum is not quite the place to ask for a flight sim ? If anyone had have the time to type "OFF home" into his Google window it would have shown him the OFF home forum at Combatsim.com, along with lots of subforums dealing with Phase 1 and 2, and how to still get a free copy. I must have sent some 20 copies of phase 2 disks to all parts of the world for free, along with others. It is just i do not check here regularly when it comes to flight sims, plain and simple.

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I once tried OFF phase 1, then phase 2, ranted all the time about all kinds of problems and inconsistencies, so much i was lots of times close to be thrown out lol. There are still some small errors in OFF (like the circular magazine of the SE5a Lewis gun has a closed bottom while it was open in reality) but the "rest" is spot-on, along with historically correct frontlines, fire barrages, battles and the feeling of a war going on around you.
The old OFF phase 2 CAN certainly be compared to the new Version 3 "Between Heaven and Hell", but there are not much similarities apart from the basic WW1 theme, not even graphic-wise. I think 30 bucks are not too much for it, but then it's just me.


Then there's "Rise of flight", pretty graphics, flight and damage model, but you get only 4 planes with the sim (39 bucks), and have to pay some 6.50 $ for every further plane you want to fly. And you have to be online all the time, even for single play - not that single play or a campaign are existant yet. Every patch will automatically be downloaded to your harddisk as soon as you start the game - no internet, no game. And it is very much a sim in development, but has great potential and i will buy it - teeth clenched - not much WW1 sims around.
NeoQB said they would offer a trial version for download, but it does not exist yet.

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S at Firewall - just read your last post, so i will rest my case Ahem

[Biggles]

Question:

You need CFS3 to play OFF P3?

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Question:

You need CFS3 to play OFF P3?
Yes.

[Catfish]

Hello,
if you want to play OFF get the CFS3 DVD if you can - installation is much easier than with the older CFS3 2 CD version.
When you install OFF, it asks you to insert the CFS3 CD or DVD, takes 2-3 seconds, and then goes on with the OFF install. You do not need to install CFS3 at all, just shortly insert the disk for parts of the engine and copyright reasons.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Hello,
if you want to play OFF get the CFS3 DVD if you can - installation is much easier than with the older CFS3 2 CD version.
When you install OFF, it asks you to insert the CFS3 CD or DVD, takes 2-3 seconds, and then goes on with the OFF install. You do not need to install CFS3 at all, just shortly insert the disk for parts of the engine and copyright reasons.

Greetings,
CatfishI went to the OFF FAQ and found this:


Q. Do I need to actually install CFS3 first?
A. Maybe..... during install process the OFF BH&H installer will ask you to provide CFS3 so it can copy the CFS3 files it needs.

You can provide the files required from either :
1) An installed CFS3
- OR-
2) Your original CFS3 disks
You can choose. However in either case OFF needs CFS3 version 3.1. If your CFS3 CD/DVD is an old version it may be CFS3 v3.0 not v3.1 - in this case you must use option 1) and then patch that CFS3 install to CFS3 v3.1 before installing OFF.
Q. Do I still need my CFS3 disk to fly OFF BH&H?
A. Yes. All the protection Microsoft or other publisher added to CFS3 disk will still apply. So OFF requires CFS3 CD to fly.
However if you have the DVD version of CFS3 ("Exclusive" brand DVD version from Ubisoft) then the DVD does NOT need to be in to fly CFS3 or OFF.

[AngusJS]

And you can manually delete CFS3 after installing OFF, so it doesn`t have to stay on your hard drive.

[phillcoops]

:nope:HELP!! I've intstalled OFF Phase 2. When I start the program it doesn't initialise automatically. I go to the workshops and attempt manual install and I get an OFF Manager Error message "cannot specify file path CFS3 or produce BAT File etc..."

Any suggestions would be very welcome. I've spent hours trying to set this up now.

Apologies if I've posted this in the wrong spot!
Aye,
Phill

[FIREWALL]

I hope you get an answer. I couldn't get it to work either. :damn:

[Kratos]

Copy the "CFS3.exe" from the CSF3 install into the OFF game folder - delete the old "shell.exe" there first, or backup the file with a different name (e.g. Oldshell.exe). Then rename the copied "CFS3.exe" in the OFF folder to "shell.exe".
I'm sure thats the way i got it to work:salute:

http://forum.combatace.com/setup-phase-only-t37679.html

[Cameljockey]

You can find install instructions here..........
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37679

I haven't flown OFF Phase 2 since BH&H came out in Jan and got RoF in July so I've been spending my time on those. If you guys need any help I've got a good bit of info on Phase 2. Just holler.

CJ

[Catfish]

Hi,
there is a new add-on for "Over Flanders Fields - Between Heaven and Hell", called "Hat in the ring" http://www.overflandersfields.com/Addon1.htm
it will cost 19 $ or so they say. Even if this is cheaper than those "Rise of flight" updates plane-wise (6,95 $ per plane here) i wonder ... i mean from the content it is worth it, but it seems all new sims are going to be sims in development, with further add ons and content to buy. New marketing strategy huh ? While i can understand this with OFF, since it is not really a commercial project, on one hand i hate incomplete sims brought out on the market - it is only that on the other hand they would not be there at all. RoF's a good example, but then it's online only.
When compared, RedBaron 3d before modding etc. was nothing to write home about, few planes and bad graphics, even for the time.
SH 4 already had an add-on with the german U-boat pack, but i guess this time i will wait for SH 5 ...


oops
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/Shot03-31-09-12-47-39.jpg

Greetings,
Catfish

[rabu]

Hellshade has been posting some pretty neat videos done in Over Flanders Fields and the new "Hat in the Ring" addon.

These were filmed in campaign mode and at HD 1080p high res. To really enjoy the film, on the lower right of the Youtube screen click the drop down and select the HD 1080p, then hit pause and wait for it to download, or just hit play if you have a really fast connection. Be sure to hit the button to watch in full screen mode and turn up the volume.. it's pretty amazing!

Campaign Video #11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqf9VU4UPXs)

And this campaign video #10 was filmed in late 1918 with an historically correct, huge, dogfight with almost 40 planes involved. He left the labels and radar on so that you can see all the planes involved in this dogfight. Again, be sure to watch this full screen and in HD1080p, it's jaw dropping and shows what OFF is capable of! :yeah:

Campaign Video #10 Part I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmkTBwsW9QU)

Camapgin Video #10 Part II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzyEB7e0T4)

[GSpector]

Great videos, especially on a large wide-screen at 1080:yeah:

Thank you for sharing:salute: