Where is the USS Jimmy Carter Submarine ??

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Why would I care? Well, for a couple of reasons. The USS Jimmy Carter isn't just any old run-of-the-mill nuclear attack submarine. No, no. The Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) (http://www.submarinehistory.com/JimmyCarter.html) is one hot piece of kit. It is the one submarine in the US fleet which is designated a Multi-Mission Platform and is purpose built to carry out a number of roles in special warfare, undersea surveillance and other really sneaky stuff.

http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2008/02/where-is-uss-jimmy-carter.html

:hmm::hmm::hmm:

the rumors are that the Navy's newest nuclear sub, the USS Jimmy Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter_%28SSN-23%29), has been designed for spywork (http://http//www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html), with a "special capability... to tap undersea cables and eavesdrop on the communications passing through them," according to the AP.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/images/jimmy_sub.jpgThe rumors are right, Military.com's undersea warfare experts believe. Here's what retired Rear Admiral Hank McKinney, the former commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet's submarine force, had to say:
The Navy has for years carried out special surviellance missions with nuclear submarines. Most of these missions utlilized attack submarines that were not extensively modified. Specialized communications intercept equipments were installed in existing spaces on board these submarines. A few have been modified for special oceanographic missions and capabilities. In the past, these included USS HALIBUT, USS SEAWOLF, USS RICHARD B. RUSSELL, and USS PARCHE. Each of these submarines was modified to accomodate these new missions. In the case of USS JIMMY CARTER, all of the modifications were made before the submarine was delivered to the Navy. This submarine will be utilized to conduct many specialized missions, some of which will be routine unclassified oceanographic research operations which will advance our knowledge of the ocean. Some of the missions will be highly classified missions which I am unable to comment on. (emphasis mine)


The plot thickens:

Spy agency taps into undersea cable (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529826.html?legacy=zdnn)


Former intelligence officials say the agency made its tap with the help of a customized sub. "It's a submarine capable of bringing a length of cable inside a special chamber, where the men then do the work," while the sub hugs the ocean floor, says one former official. The surface ships used by undersea-cable companies to install and repair cables have similar chambers--called jointing rooms--where crews work on the delicate fibers. When repairing a broken cable, cable companies generally lift one end of the rupture to the surface and into the jointing room, splice in a new length of cable, then lift the other end of the rupture and repeat the process.

In 1997, the NSA and the Navy proposed equipping the USS Jimmy Carter with such a chamber, as part of a "special operations" upgrade to the $2.4 billion sub.

:hmm:

The latest cut interrupted service to the UAE, a US ally. im guessing this is a counter-strike by somebody, probably the Russian navy...which has been on alert since this crap started.

Cable damage hits 1.7m Internet users in UAE (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2008/February/theuae_February155.xml&section=theuae)

whos been cutting up these damn cables!!!?? :damn::hmm:

its been missing ever since, its not at its home port, where is it :hmm: hasnt even been commisioned..:huh:

[SUBMAN1]

The Jimmy Carter primarily operates in the Pacific Ocean (It is based in Seattle Wa) and conducts operations against both China and Russia. Little likelyhood that it would be wasting its time in the Gulf.

More conspriracy BS.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

She is in the water.

[baggygreen]

Agreed with subman.

There is prob more possibility that if it was a deliberate act, it was Iranians that caused the damage - not so far fetched, the UAE is a particularly westernised nation... head of the gulf...

[Urspankd]

:lurk:

[Puster Bill]

She is in the water.

Being chased by a killer rabbit...

[antikristuseke]

and the knights who say Ni!

[August]

Anywhere the ocean is shallow enough for a ship to drop anchor there is a chance for damage to undersea cables. Given that the gulf is one of the most travelled waterways in the entire world it is not suprising that damage would occur in that area.

Also, if one intends to tap into an undersea cable for intelligence purposes one finds a way to do so without alerting the entire world that one is doing it. To actually cut, not one but two cables, does not accomplish that objective.

But hey that's ok, the story fits in with your preconcieved hatred for the evil US government boogieman, so who cares how far fetched it is? :roll:

[Torplexed]

She is in the water.
Being chased by a killer rabbit...

Sadly, there aren't many who get that Cold War reference anymore. ;)

http://neptoon.homestead.com/KillerRabbits.jpg

[sonar732]

She is in the water.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

It is also known that there have been two other cuts off of the coast of Egypt...soo....I guess look for sightings of the Carter transiting the Suez Canal and showing up in the Persian Gulf...all in three days.

[geetrue]

[whos been cutting up these damn cables!!!?? :damn::hmm:

its been missing ever since, its not at its home port, where is it :hmm: hasnt even been commisioned..:huh:

Not even the crew knows where they are ... think I'm lying?

Oh, they know the general area, but the quartermaster on our boat was ordered to surround the chart table with a wall of paper that anyone passing by can't see the exact location.

Bar talk in Rota, Spain could tell you when your buddy on another boomer left port and when they were coming back in.

[nikimcbee]

She is in the water.

I agree. Since its named after Carter:shifty: it is probably on a humanitarian mission, bringing rice, and goodwill to the world, or building houses.:rotfl:

[SmokinTep]

I've worked on her a few times. She is awesome with the middle part of the boat dedicated to "spook" stuff.

[sonar732]

I've worked on her a few times. She is awesome with the middle part of the boat dedicated to "spook" stuff.

Hey SmokinTep...how about landing me that defense contracted job? ;)

jk

[AntEater]

Well, how could anyone ever get the impression the US intelligence community might do something not decent???
:rotfl:

It would sound plausible if there was anything to gain from it.
Disrupting communications in Iran might make sense as an immediate prelude to an attack, while wiretapping on internet cables could be done differently, I suppose.
On the other hand, these cables are for most of the middle east, so a lot of useful information must flow through there..
Maybe they did want to install a wire tap and something went wrong??

But that would mean the US intel community makes mistakes, something as unthinkable as them doing something criminal, isnt it???

[sonar732]

Well, how could anyone ever get the impression the US intelligence community might do something not decent???
:rotfl:

It would sound plausible if there was anything to gain from it.
Disrupting communications in Iran might make sense as an immediate prelude to an attack, while wiretapping on internet cables could be done differently, I suppose.
On the other hand, these cables are for most of the middle east, so a lot of useful information must flow through there..
Maybe they did want to install a wire tap and something went wrong??

But that would mean the US intel community makes mistakes, something as unthinkable as them doing something criminal, isnt it???

After the history of the US wiretapping program's successes, I doubt that the 3 seperate cable cuts were performed by the US Intelligence Community...please note my post above about the probability of the Carter transiting the Suez Canal unseen.:nope::nope:

[Oberon]

So, the US might be tapping cables, this is nothing new, neither is the Russkies doing the same thing, or the Chinese doing it. They've been doing it for years, they will continue to do it for years. Call it underhand but if you sit high on a moral conscience, those who don't will destroy you.

Take a look at what happened in Norways waters in the Cold War...

[Kapitan_Phillips]

[whos been cutting up these damn cables!!!?? :damn::hmm:

its been missing ever since, its not at its home port, where is it :hmm: hasnt even been commisioned..:huh:
Not even the crew knows where they are ... think I'm lying?

Oh, they know the general area, but the quartermaster on our boat was ordered to surround the chart table with a wall of paper that anyone passing by can't see the exact location.

Bar talk in Rota, Spain could tell you when your buddy on another boomer left port and when they were coming back in.


Thanks for sharing the wisdom, geetrue :up::yep:

They sort of do that on Silent Steel, but its just a piece of card that reads "TOP SECRET" over the patrol route.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

She is in the water.
Being chased by a killer rabbit...

"We'd best not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite!" :D

[Jimbuna]

.....and here's me thinking she was in a covered over drydock on some peanut farm having a final coat of varnish applied to her hull. :doh:

[Urspankd]

It is also known that there have been two other cuts off of the coast of Egypt...soo....I guess look for sightings of the Carter transiting the Suez Canal and showing up in the Persian Gulf...all in three days.



I highly doubt the boat would show itself anywhere near the area.

[sonar732]

It is also known that there have been two other cuts off of the coast of Egypt...soo....I guess look for sightings of the Carter transiting the Suez Canal and showing up in the Persian Gulf...all in three days.


I highly doubt the boat would show itself anywhere near the area.

Partly my point...if the JC would've been responsible for the multiple cable cuts during those three days, the boat would've had to transit around Africa for goodness sakes.

[Urspankd]

Sorry that came out wrong I was agree with you! I should have made that a little bit more clear.

[FIREWALL]

I know one thing for sure. The Jimmy Carter isn't a Nuke boat.


Why you ask ? Cuz it runs on Peanut Oil.:p

[sonar732]

Sorry that came out wrong I was agree with you! I should have made that a little bit more clear.

No worries...I didn't take it as you disagreeing with me, was just taking advantage of my reasoning.

[Puster Bill]

She is in the water.
Being chased by a killer rabbit...
"We'd best not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite!" :D

Actually, I was referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident

[elite_hunter_sh3]

When you add all these events with the docking of the Aegis ship San Jacinto at Haifa, you know something is up. Think about it, an Aegis ship, not excluding the fact that the San Jacinto is the #1 in her class, is by herself at the dock, it violates most procedures.

US Warship to Dock at Haifa (http://tinyurl.com/ytf7bc)

First, Aegis ships are on the outer ring of a carrier group. Their state of the art radar and sonar help protect the carrier(s). Where's the rest of the fleet?

Second, for her to be docked would indicate she is either damaged or carrying Israeli personnel, maybe even wounded. A mossad dive team that got messed up sabotaging the cables would explain it. They would be transferred to Israeli hospitals, not US hospital ships.

Third, an Aegis could provide a lot of useful signal intelligence to the Israelis while they were knocking out the cables. Naturally, the San Jacinto would have helped as much as it could while a running battle was going on beneath the surface between the USS Jimmy Carter with Russian and Iranian submarines. The SJ could also have been carrying survivors from the Carter.

The locations of the five breaks in the cables are so far apart that it would take a combined operation of several ships, submarines, and ROVs. Anyone surprised that the US would be involved?

:hmm:

[CCIP]

Actually, it would take a small trawler to cut those cables.

Isn't Israel an ally of the US? Why should anyone be surprised that a ship makes a visit to an allied port, then? Also, where's the evidence that there was any sort of struggle involved there?

Seriously, anything could've taken out those cables. Why it has to be the most advanced sub in the world is beyond me. It's stupid.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Egypt said no ships were in the vicinity when the cables were cut.... nothing on radar or through their binoculars... :hmm:, official statement too.. that leaves only underwater vessel....

[geetrue]

When you add all these events with the docking of the Aegis ship San Jacinto at Haifa, you know something is up. Think about it, an Aegis ship, not excluding the fact that the San Jacinto is the #1 in her class, is by herself at the dock, it violates most procedures.

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Third, an Aegis could provide a lot of useful signal intelligence to the Israelis while they were knocking out the cables. Naturally, the San Jacinto would have helped as much as it could while a running battle was going on beneath the surface between the USS Jimmy Carter with Russian and Iranian submarines. The SJ could also have been carrying survivors from the Carter.

:hmm:

Your supposed to grow up at 18 elite hunter ...

I appreciate a lot of your posts , but the part I bolded just plain sounds paranoid.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

so let me guess.. a bunch of trawlers who are invisible to radar and human eyes manage to cut cables that are buried 20-30 meters under the ocean floor, and magically very far away from each other, in a small time frame... :roll: you got any better ideas??? :roll:

[CCIP]

Ok, one question - why?

It's a horrendously risky, expensive and stupid plan - all for what? See, this is why I don't believe in conspiracy theories. It's just too intricate, risky and value-less to actually happen.


In the worst case, one (or more) of the Israeli diesel subs could've done it - and why go that far, when the Israelis have plenty of commando-oriented sea vehicles to start with? They're more likely to take these sorts of moves in the region. But involving the most expensive and complex nuclear sub in the world and the whole American, Russian and Iranian navies - in running fights at that - in all of this is way far out.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Maybe it was a wayward catfish :smug:

[CCIP]

Maybe it was a wayward catfish :smug:

You mean a wayward two-headed electric catfish from Chernobyl?

Maybe :hmm:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Maybe it was a wayward catfish :smug:
You mean a wayward two-headed electric catfish from Chernobyl?

Maybe :hmm:

With LAZERS.

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:rotfl:

[Oberon]

Imma Chargin' Mah Electronic Surveillance Equipment!!


Shoop Da Whoop!

[Jimbuna]

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[Puster Bill]

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It certainly should do as well as that other fictional submarine thriller, "Red Star Rogue".

[sonar732]

so let me guess.. a bunch of trawlers who are invisible to radar and human eyes manage to cut cables that are buried 20-30 meters under the ocean floor, and magically very far away from each other, in a small time frame... :roll: you got any better ideas??? :roll:

You can run with it all you'd like...that's what drives conspiracy nuts anyway...no matter what type of evidence is provided...it's not right.

[RickC Sniper]

Elite Hunter you have a wonderful imagination.


Think of what you could accomplish if you actually used it constructively.

[Oberon]

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[Jimbuna]

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