TM1.7.6 + ROW + RSRDC...Another Day, Another Mod Order Change....?

[Archie]

Okay, here goes, following the new ROW addition file and Krillers advice and notwithstanding the final release of Duci's seminal TM 1.7.6, I have cleared all old save campaign files and reinstalled my mods as follows :

ROW #1 thru #9 Excluding the ROW Sky & Ocean Controls as its incorporated into the new addon file ;

Foofighters sub skins ;

Warships retextured v1.3 ;

Trigger Maru v1.7.6 ;

Trigger Maru Sound ;

Trigger Maru GFX - ROW - v5 ;

Duci's Sub Interior Fix file ;

RSRDC P2 TM v221 ;

and finally ROW #10 - Addon for Reflections on the Water.

Please, does this sound right, I know that I will get told, "go play it and see" but even though it all seems to work, I don't know if I am missing some graphical goodies because I have the mods in the wrong order, and as Duci has removed himself from the forum, I can't ask specifics about what his TM GFX ROW file includes as far as original ROW files, apart from the fact they overwrite a lot of ROW stuff....

[WhiskeyBravo]

Bumpage. I'm just getting back into SHIV after several months and the number of must have mods makes my brain ache.

A definitive install order would be much appreciated.

WB.

[kriller2]

Yes that's the way I would install the mods. the only problem I have noticed in the order of the mods, is if you are using RFB on top of ROW and want to have the new Sun halo from ROW, the RFB will overwrite it with a smaller sun with no sun flair.

BTW I got the installation order after reading carefully in this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115258

That RSWD should be after TM.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes that's the way I would install the mods. the only problem I have noticed in the order of the mods, is if you are using RFB on top of ROW and want to have the new Sun halo from ROW, the RFB will overwrite it with a smaller sun with no sun flair.

BTW I got the installation order after reading carefully in this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115258

That RSWD should be after TM.


Kriller, last night I loaded ROW, RFB and then the RSRD files. The sun is a bit smaller as a result of RFB but the halo and flair is still present if you are using the ROW files for the halo and flair:up:. I ran the game for over an hours with no ill effects.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice kriller :roll::up:

To be honest, sometimes we have to take it upon oursleves to learn this stuff better, mod combinations, installing updates, etc. It is the least we can do for modders here, the hard work is on their end, if it takes us a couple of times to get the order right in JSGME, so be it.


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[Archie]

Nice kriller :roll::up:

To be honest, sometimes we have to take it upon oursleves to learn this stuff better, mod combinations, installing updates, etc. It is the least we can do for modders here, the hard work is on their end, if it takes us a couple of times to get the order right in JSGME, so be it.


RDP

Yes, thats it exactly RDP. I feel like a pain asking, but I want to make sure that I can show my appreciation of all the modders hard work by actually getting it to run as they meant it! My point is, yes it runs, but how do I know that it is running as it should be, ie. have I written over a file that was later/better than the other, therefore missing some graphical goodness that the modder worked damned hard to work for the enjoyment of us all.. etc etc...rant complete. :arrgh!:

[ReallyDedPoet]

That's the beauty of JSGME as well, it makes life much easier doing this stuff. When I first started here a few years ago, I did much of it manually :o:oops:

So you live and learn :yep:


RDP

[warlimont]

Archie,
I'm curious as to your ROW install choices. I've never run ROW

Do you have a high-end res machine? And what level do you set
your in-game graphics?

thanks

w

[Archie]

Archie,
I'm curious as to your ROW install choices. I've never run ROW

Do you have a high-end res machine? And what level do you set
your in-game graphics?

thanks

w
I run a core 2 e6600, 4096 RAM with an Nvidia 8800 Ultra card, Vista Ultimate, on a Dell 24" monitor, have no problems running all the high res ROW stuff at all, everything on high mate. :up:

[warlimont]

A rocket ship!
do you have to do any extra cooling?

So what parts of ROW do you run?

[Archie]

A rocket ship!
do you have to do any extra cooling?

So what parts of ROW do you run?

No, no extra cooling mate, she runs fine, the only thing I hope to do in the near future is upgrade the CPU from the dual core to a quad core, and as Vista only recognises 3 Mb of RAM, I'm thinking of installing the 64 bit version of Vista Ultimate to take advantage of the full 4 Gig of RAM goodness I have, but im still unconvinced of 64bit and games, so we will see.

I run ROW as per Krillers advice :

ROW Main Load Screen
ROW Realistic Camera with sway v2d
ROW Sub Reflections and Roll Pitch Mod v5 (heavily modified as per Trigger Maru FAQ #19)
ROW Object Reflections and Searchlights v5b
ROW High Res Seafoam
ROW Textures with Sun Halo Camera Flair v5
ROW Special Effects with Stock Zones v5b
ROW New Clouds from Kriller
ROW Sound Effects v8

The rest of my mods are as per the first post (TM 1.7.6 , RSRDC etc) I think that a couple of the ROW mods are included in TM 1.7.6 but i'm not sure which so I left them in as the newer TM files overwrite them anyway.

and at the very end of the JSGME list, the new ROW addon file #10.

Hope that helps mate!. :up:

[warlimont]

it does indeed help. thanks

[Archie]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2408/newjsgmeqk9.jpg

This is my current JSGME setup. I know that some of the ROW mods are redundant (Kriller2 advises that the latest ROW Addon file was included in Trigger Maru 1.7.6 without anyone knowing for example, but I left it in as it can't hurt as it is replacing the TM files with exactly the same ones, and the ROW Camera with realistic sway was also included in TM). This may be of some help to people. :arrgh!:

[Wilcke]

Archie,

I have a feeling that REL_Interior_Sub_Fixes is incorporated into TM 1.7.6?

Ducimus is not around to comment on this and I will have to go back to check on the update log.

As I always load TM first, in fact I loaded them in order 1-2-3 and tried loading the various ROW files, I found only a couple that actually loaded without wanting to overwrite TM files.

I will post my JSGME load screen tonight. I did add Kriller2's Addon at the very end and let that overwrite the scene.dat and 6-7 other files from the TM graphics pack.

I suppose one would or could just pull the TM graphics and load all the pertinent and up to date ROW files plus Kriller2's Addon and just go with that.

OK, pretty much done, time to go back on patrol tonight! The Malakar Straits await...I hope I have some torpedoes that actually work on board!

I was practicing last night and I shot a full loadout....60% were bad, 1st one out was a circle runner...the rest just crushed the pistol and sank to the depths.....:up:

Love this sim!

[warlimont]

I'd like to see a post of your active enabled mods as well.

just starting to put mine together.

[warlimont]

Archie and any others to see this.
A short time ago I had a CDT while running ROW/TM/RSRD basically in the order you had posted here for me.
I did have 2 extra mods- greenLamp and the Captain radio mod.

I cant really say what knocked me out, because vista wanted to send an error message to bill gates. hope he gets right on it!
but
i went looking through the mod posts and found the following listed in the install notes for TM for 1.4:
"19.) Can i run ROW with TMaru?

Yes. All row is compatible with TMaru, although i must caution against "ROW_Sub_Reflections_and_Roll_Pitch_vs_5", as the majority of the files in that particular ROW mod overrite many crucial settings in Tmaru. If you feel confident in removing conflicting files from this mod, id recommend in just using the submarine.dat files from that particular mod. The rest of the files have been intergrated into Tmaru."

So, I reset jsgme with TM first. ROW next and RSRD and lastly the addon for reflections.

I have a question and a noobie observation:
Doesn't jsgme load from top to bottom?
isn't TM and RFB primarily for gameplay?
isn't ROW for graphics?

So, those being true, would it be correct to figure loading ROW after TM and RFB
so the user would.nt lose ROW's eyecandy?

After just 2 days staring open-mouthed at this sim. It is kick-a*@. just awesome!

[Archie]

G'day Warlimont, cant say what may have done that CTD on you but I did modify my ROW Sub Reflections file as per Ducimus' TM FAQ (ie take out all the files except the DAT ones) and I have not had any problems at all, but I am still confused as to the order, TM, RSRDC then ROW, or ROW, TM then RSRDC (RSRDC always has to be after TM, that is a given).

[Fincuan]

Archie and any others to see this.
A short time ago I had a CDT while running ROW/TM/RSRD basically in the order you had posted here for me.
I did have 2 extra mods- greenLamp and the Captain radio mod.


I'd start by removing the radio mod, since it's known to cause CTDs.

[Archie]

Ok, after looking at a few other threads, and thanks in particular to Wilcke, I have adjusted my Mod layout on JSGME yet again. Turns out most of ROW is in fact included in TM 1.7.6, so only a couple of files are needed from ROW. So here is my new JSGME, I have been on patrol for outta Pearl for a short time now and no problems at all. Re: the Radio mod, the one I am using is a heavily modified one and I have had no problems at all with it so far.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7564/newjsgme2ys1.jpg

:arrgh!:

[Powerthighs]

Thank you very much for this thread. Can you keep it up to date as new ROW stuff comes out? I'm still a little confused as to what parts of ROW are in Trigger Maru 1.7.6, and what needs to be added over top.

Also, if you plan on adding NSM4 to the mix, please add info for that.

Thanks.

[Archie]

Heres my latest JSGME loadout Powerthighs, it includes Krillers Pacific Environment Mod and NSM v4. I have started a new career with this setup and have had no issues at all so far. Only thing I changed was Duci's TM 1.7.6 airstrike.cfg to lower the night attack modifier to 0.0 to stop the night aircraft attacks. Cheers. :up:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7189/newjsgme3zs7.jpg

[Powerthighs]

Excellent, thank you!

While I know how to use windiff, it quickly becomes difficult to keep track of what parts of ROW are included by TM, etc. This is great info!

[Powerthighs]

One more thing, over in the ROW thread they indicate that the ROW Addon is no longer needed if you are using the Pacfic Environment Mod.

[Archie]

One more thing, over in the ROW thread they indicate that the ROW Addon is no longer needed if you are using the Pacfic Environment Mod.

Thats correct, Pacific Environment Mod overwrites everything in the addon mod, im just too lazy to take it out...... :rotfl: