Interior reworks, choose your lighting level

[Ducimus]

As part of what will most definatly be my last work on TM, is a rework of all submarine interiors. All of them. Gauges, sounds by steveTRM, clickable crewman, 600 ft gauge for gato, etc.

I will also be releasing this as a serperate mod for other modders to use in thier own works.

Because of the universal nature of this work, i am asking for a concensus, rather then haul off and do something because i think it looks cool, only to come down later, im the only one who thought it was cool :88)

So then, pick which lighting level you like best, Stock, or darker.

Due to filesize, i will not be doing two versions of this. Only one version, and the public consensus will prevail on this. Whatever your vote is, post the reason behind your decision!

I should note, that like most everything, it blends smoother with PPF.


THIS POLL CLOSES IN 2 DAYS

No PPF shown in any picture, interior is propoise class


Conning tower darkened:
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/ct_dark.jpg

Conning tower stock lighting:
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/ct_light.jpg

Control room darkened:
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/cr_dark.jpg

Control room stock lighting:
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/cr_light.jpg


edit: changed order of pictures to make comparisions eaiser for viewer.

[castorp345]

that's a tough decision...
they both look so good!

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Leave it. Why fix something that isn't broke.

[TDK1044]

Stock.

[Ducimus]

Leave it. Why fix something that isn't broke.

I dont mind leaving it alone at all. Way i see it, its just that much less i have to do. I can pack everything up and get out of dodge that much sooner.

Personally, i think its too bright, otherwise i woudlnt bother.

[TDK1044]

I say mod the poll....make the colored lines go vertical instead of horizontal and change the colors. Just kidding, Duci!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[ANTARES]

I still go for the stock ones...

[Nuc]

I vote stock, the boats were very well lit except when rigged for red. thanks for asking. I do agree it looks cool, just not correct.

[Ducimus]

Vote right now is 5 stock, 8 darken. I should have made the poll public. Ive noticed when i do, you can sometimes see when some people bust out their 1 post alternate user accounts to get more weight into the poll.


Two people will put a stop to this poll.
Lurker from RSRD, and the RFB team, since they'd probably want to use it, if they both say one way or the other, then thats what it will be.

[swampa]

I vote stock

[FIREWALL]

I'd like a way to rig for red with a key stroke when I want to.

I don't suppose that's possible ?

[Will-Rommel]

Stock for me also.

[Ridgeback]

I also prefer stock. The darkened looks like the crew have all been smoking cigars :D

[Anvart]

:rotfl:
First you should adjust gamma for your screenshots ...
Stock is better ...
And look:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=757149#post757149
#53

P.S.
And what I see on Helmsman head?

[Ducimus]

seems rather unanimous. Ill start packing this sucker up tonight, i just want to be rid of it.

[Factor]

could it be made to be an optional mod like you have done in the past?
i kinda would like to try it out.

and yea, like someone said above, is there anyway that you know of that we could rig for red at the touch of a keystroke.

thanks for all your time and what you do.

Factor.

[LukeFF]

Duci, I think you've been watching too much Das Boot lately with those modified colors. :rotfl:

[Torps]

one is too dark thee other is too bright, so hint; **in between**

[Ducimus]

Duci, I think you've been watching too much Das Boot lately with those modified colors. :rotfl:

LOL not really. What partialy influuenced me was one of the history channel movie renactments. 2nd video in the pacific sub war thread in my sig.



RE Redlights:
No way to make that a toggle that i know of.

In between stock and dark:
I could try, but i think the differences would be so subtle, as to be not all that noticleble. I'll bet if i darkened it just a tad, hardly anyone would notice.

[Tim D]

I like the stock version, so it forces my crew to get up at reveille :lol:

[baxter]

I voted to darken them...they have always seemed a little too bright to me.:o

[Dowly]

I like the darker version. The stock lighting looks dull to me, but making it darker would give it a bit more feel of being in a huge tincan. :yep:

[skwasjer]

Darker, yet I agree the dark version is a bit too much so I'd make it a tad less.

[aanker]

I voted Stock... why? Darker seemed too dark and I believe they had adequate light it RL.

Whatever you do, Thanks for doing all you do, Sir!

Art

[Rockin Robbins]

But I think all of us should defer to those who have been aboard the real thing with the original lights only and pay attention to what they say.

[aanker]

But I think all of us should defer to those who have been aboard the real thing with the original lights only and pay attention to what they say.You're right about that. I have not been there.

Art

[LobsterBoy]

I think the darker set looks really cool, but from my tour of the Bowfin I think the stock lighting is more realistic.

[Weather-guesser]

Stock is better. Besides, I use the gamma slider to darken to my taste. :know:

[AkbarGulag]

Its a hard call. But the low light in the control room does give it that 90m high co2 feel ^^

Does it return to a normal brightness when running on the surface?

Maybe it would be nice linked to the 'silent running' interface button?

[kriller2]

I like the dark version :up:

BTW Have any of you seen "Das bot" in the scene where the destroyer are circling over the submarine the light is very gloomy (allmost non exsistent..) it adds alot to the scene!, so if we could make the light change between dark when you are in danger and bright when safe, it would add to the game. I don't know if it a good idea ?

[Nuc]

But I think all of us should defer to those who have been aboard the real thing with the original lights only and pay attention to what they say.You're right about that. I have not been there.

Art
I am not sure you should defer. It is a sim with the goal of entertainment (as opposed to training or other goal that demands accuracy). Perception is reality and since I suspect for a lot if not most of the players the perception is formed by movie and TV. So if darker provides more "reality" for the majority go with that. I have been aboard, albeit in 1971 on a Guppy II conversion. For me lighter recreates what I recall but that doesn't mean that is the way it was during the war. On the Guppy there was a great deal of flouresent lighting that I am not sure was original. Likewise I am sure the tour boats have been relit for safety.Nuc

[swdw]

On the Guppy there was a great deal of flouresent lighting that I am not sure was original. Likewise I am sure the tour boats have been relit for safety.Nuc
All lighting in WW2 was incandescant. The guppy served into the era where flourescent lighting came into use. The lighting it has now may have been part of a retrofit, or may have been added for touring safety- you'd have to ask the owning organization.

[aanker]

But I think all of us should defer to those who have been aboard the real thing with the original lights only and pay attention to what they say.You're right about that. I have not been there.

Art I am not sure you should defer. It is a sim with the goal of entertainment (as opposed to training or other goal that demands accuracy). Perception is reality and since I suspect for a lot if not most of the players the perception is formed by movie and TV. So if darker provides more "reality" for the majority go with that. I have been aboard, albeit in 1971 on a Guppy II conversion. For me lighter recreates what I recall but that doesn't mean that is the way it was during the war. On the Guppy there was a great deal of flouresent lighting that I am not sure was original. Likewise I am sure the tour boats have been relit for safety. NucI was thinking about that ( "refit for safety" reasons nowadays - for the boat tours) however I don't believe they had the darker - equivalent of three 15 watt bulbs - interior during the War either. Also, it may be difficult to read the new gauges he has worked so hard on. lol

Fun thread.

Art

[M. Sarsfield]

I'll ask a few of our resident vets at the USS Batfish the next time that I see them. One of them was assigned to the USS Marlin and then to the Loggerhead.

[Sailor Steve]

Stock.

[Munchausen]

:hmm: Everything I've read points to a well-lit interior during daylight hours (less so when rigged for red). Consequently, I do think the (slightly) brighter light bulbs are more realistic.

[shoot-kill-win]

I voted stock because the boats were very bright inside when operating, this can be seen in your thread "Intro to the Pacific submarine War" thread it is a picture of the Wahoo's control room when being depth charged.

[Zero Niner]

Stock for me. If for nothing else IRL your vision would adapt to whatever the ambient lighting level is.

[dean_acheson]

http://www.warfish.com/towers.jpgThe dark is cooler, but as for realism, I think that the bright is 'more realistic.'

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/258.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0822524.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0822523.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0822515.jpg

http://www.warfish.com/Images/g38602.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0831005.jpg

[dean_acheson]

but that's just me...

[jdkbph]

RE the photos. Were they using a flash? Was the lighting adjusted to accommodate the photo op? Is the photo we're looking at over (or under) exposed?

No way to tell. I don't think there an absolute right or wrong, that anyone who was not there at that time and place, can come up with.

So we're left with whatever feels right, and whatever sets off to best effect all the enhancement work the modders have done to the interiors.

JD

[dean_acheson]

1 and 5, at least, were taken in combat situations.

I can't see Mush Morton allowing camera flashes if the room was so dark as to kill somebody's eyesight.

Having said that, I remember reading some book, a autobiography by some guy, or a ship history maybe, (Batfish?) that had a skipper who always operated under redlight conditions, or something else strange. This same skipper would sleep in the conn all the time too.

I seem to remember (was this one of O'Kane's books?) that the writer made it clear that light and sleeping conditions were up to the Captain, and the Captain could and would do whatever the hell he wanted to.

So, I guess it's up to each captain.

Light or Dark.

How's that for an answer?