View Full Version : I guess the US is going to war with the Indians once more.
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 08:50 PM
Let the bloodshed start! Doubt there will be a Custers last stand on this one.
The Cannook indians tried this not to long ago, and the Canook military sent tanks to deal with it. Same thing will probably happen with the US too. Not kidding though - someone will probably die over this, if not many.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html
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Irony:
The United States, a nation built upon the idea of freedom and liberty, born from the need to split apart from a power hungary empire, will now try and stop an Indian nation that seeks freedom and independance from forming.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Good luck to them but it's not going to work.
Irony:
The United States, a nation built upon the idea of freedom and liberty, born from the need to split apart from a power hungary empire, will now try and stop an Indian nation that seeks freedom and independance from forming.
There's a nail hit on the head!
Ducimus
12-20-07, 09:08 PM
*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's. :lol:
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 09:17 PM
*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's. :lol:Its funny to listen to Europeans on the issuse, but I have to say, you hit the nail on the head.
Canadian's eventually had to take it seriously due to violence. In the end, only the indians lost anything.
-S
*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's. :lol:Its funny to listen to Europeans on the issuse, but I have to say, you hit the nail on the head.
Canadian's eventually had to take it seriously due to violence. In the end, only the indians lost anything.
-S
....why not just let them declare independence like America did from the UK?
No violence then!
Well, everyone keeps accusing George Bush of being a cowboy, and since John Wayne aint around any more, maybe his time has come. Time to 'circle the limos' Dubya...
Mind you, I suspect that the Native Americans might have a bit of a tougher time versus the US Cavalry on this occasion, since they've now got Apaches, Iroqouis, Blackhawks and Sioux, etc on their side too :rotfl:
:D Chock
Ducimus
12-20-07, 09:23 PM
Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.
sonar732
12-20-07, 09:32 PM
Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.
Yet, you have some tribes with suicide and alcholism rates 3x that of the 'white man'? Are they not aware of these perks?
Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.
Similar thing over here but without the casinos. Aboriginals receive free education and financial aid without a question.
I certainly would not agree with an Aboriginal nation springing up over here, I know it sounds harsh but there are reasons. I feel the same would apply for this Indian nation in the USA.
1. Crime, the level of crime in Aboriginal communities is ridiculous and no body wants to touch it because they might be seen as racist or something. Alcohol is a very large problem in West and Northern Australia.
2. I'm sorry your land was taken but that wasn't me. This is now Australia, if England hadn't colonised it someone else would have. That's how the world works and it was a lot worse back then. This is Australia, it is our home, our native land, not just yours.
3. It'll only end up in a mess that the government will have to clean up which means tax payers money being wasted.
I'm sure there are other reasons but it's my last day before holidays and i've got work to do! :know:
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 09:44 PM
Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.
Yet, you have some tribes with suicide and alcholism rates 3x that of the 'white man'? Are they not aware of these perks?Not my problem if they can't handle their alc! :D That is the problem. Problem is, the US Government can't regulate alc on their land either. They have total authority themselves.
Seems to me, to leave them to their own devices like we have, produces suicide and alcholism at 3x the rate of white man! But since we can't regulate, nothing we can do about it.
I guess you have no sympathy from me on this issue.
-S
PS. One more thing, their bodies are less tolerant of alcohol than white man as you put it. Our livers are accustomed to it, theirs are not, so you could probably double one of them in a drinking contest.
PPS. Weird that they already operate as an independant country, yet they want to leave anyway?
PPPS. They don't even pay taxes like us either.
Torplexed
12-20-07, 09:49 PM
PPS. Weird that they already operate as an independant country, yet they want to leave anyway?
The Federal government tends to take a dim view of break-away movements even if they claim themselves to be sovereign nations. Wonder if they'll fare better than the fabled Dixie Tribe? :hmm:
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SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 09:54 PM
Yep - you would know well how they get away with anything too. You live in a city that caters to their very whim.
How many people here know that an Indian can murder you if on tribal land, and if the chief of the tribe decides that he shouldn't be punished for whatever reason, he can pardon him? Nothing the cops can even do about it.
They already operate an independant country within a country.
-S
Torplexed
12-20-07, 09:58 PM
They already operate an independant country within a country.
-S
Yeah..I hear ya. Makah "Whalers". Enough said. :p
Ducimus
12-20-07, 10:08 PM
As an aside, I dont think anyone from England should be wagging their fingers at our nations history, not even the nice black spots such as how the native americans were treated, or even any rehtoric about "imperialism" . As i recall, the phrase at one time was, "The sun never sets on the british empire" ? eh what?! :lol:
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 10:14 PM
And if I had to guess, it was PC that brought the British down too! :D And its getting worse over there! Pretty soon, you won't be able to brush your teeth becuase it will offend someone somewhere! :p
-S
Don't worry yanks, we have similar problems here. It's a horrible situation that will take generations to change. Education is the solution, but it's a long term one.
Ducimus
12-20-07, 10:19 PM
We could always play the blame game ya know. As i recall, both us yanks and aussies have something in common - our british roots! (sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Zachstar
12-20-07, 10:42 PM
This isn't on the same level as the rebels during the civil war. This is playing the media game.
Many native americans are trashing the image their ancestors had for many many years. Casinos, crime, gangs, etc etc... Yet many true natives. (Like a tribe in La) are abandoned and left for nothing despite the the many ways they contribute to the culture and society.
I think the whole protection deal is getting out of hand. Offer them the land they own now and make them face the same laws the rest of us face.
The history of the cruelity and hatred we inflicted on them in the past will not go away because you let them run a casino.
By letting them continue to live under this artificial umbrella we are only making things worse for these people. Its time to do the right thing.
And if they suddenly don't like the idea of losing that casino then offer them a free military parade. Complete with a demonstration of our battle tank ability to cross through buildings while tearing them down.
(sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
(sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
Yeah we Yanks feel the same way about you guys...
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 11:13 PM
(sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
Yeah we Yanks feel the same way about you guys...I concur. Don't mess with the Brits or the Aussies!
-S
I'd include Canada into our little friendly club too. Even though they talk funny ey?
Apparently they are going to get some beer imported, that may sort out their accents as it soothes their throats:rotfl:
:D Chock
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 11:23 PM
I'd include Canada into our little friendly club too. Even though they talk funny ey?I guess, as long as they don't use the 'eh?' thing too much.
-S
SUBMAN1
12-20-07, 11:25 PM
Apparently they are going to get some beer imported, that may sort out their accents as it soothes their throats:rotfl:
:D ChockDoubt it will do much for the Quebec'ers, but for the rest, it should work. :p
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Torplexed
12-20-07, 11:36 PM
Apparently they are going to get some beer imported, that may sort out their accents as it soothes their throats:rotfl:
:D ChockDoubt it will do much for the Quebec'ers, but for the rest, it should work. :p
-S
Sound good eh! Quebec is fulla hosers.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j182/swiftian/012907/bobndoug.jpg
I'd include Canada into our little friendly club too. Even though they talk funny ey?I guess, as long as they don't use the 'eh?' thing too much.
-S
Oh c'mon, that's what makes them so cute and cuddly! :/\\k:
Overboard
12-21-07, 01:19 AM
Sounds to me like all of you have little blocks that you want knocked off your shoulders. :nope:
Sounds to me like all of you have little blocks that you want knocked off your shoulders. :nope:
Care to explain?
kiwi_2005
12-21-07, 02:24 AM
(sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
Yeah we Yanks feel the same way about you guys...I concur. Don't mess with the Brits or the Aussies!
-S
Heeeey what about us kiwis! :cry:
;)
Originally Posted by Reaves
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
And so you should you blardy Aussie! :p
:D
baggygreen
12-21-07, 06:38 AM
look at that, kiwis postin like a bloody kiwi! god help us!
Yeh i saw this article a coupla days ago, i'd like to see the US set up roadblocks etc around the breakaway nation... unless the Lakotans can provide something of value to the US, why should the US provide anything to them - including power, water, medical, etc.... See how they like it then! Yeh, bugger the white man, we better off without him.... hhahaaaahhahaha.
/cynicism, i just came from a meeting a couple of days ago with some 'elders'
Happy Times
12-21-07, 09:12 AM
look at that, kiwis postin like a bloody kiwi! god help us!
Yeh i saw this article a coupla days ago, i'd like to see the US set up roadblocks etc around the breakaway nation... unless the Lakotans can provide something of value to the US, why should the US provide anything to them - including power, water, medical, etc.... See how they like it then! Yeh, bugger the white man, we better off without him.... hhahaaaahhahaha.
/cynicism, i just came from a meeting a couple of days ago with some 'elders'
Actually if they go back to the way of life they had, they should do just fine.
I dont know if they would need the buffalo.:hmm: Give them a few thousand to feed themself,
The social problems they have clearly shows they would probably be happier living from the earth. Dont you have empty space for them to roam around? Its not like you couldnt afford it, and you could go for holiday to see real wild indians.
(sorry, not meaning to lay into the brits, im just poking fun here)
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
Yeah we Yanks feel the same way about you guys...I concur. Don't mess with the Brits or the Aussies!
-S
Heeeey what about us kiwis! :cry:
;)
Originally Posted by Reaves
Poking fun on each other is the benefit of good relations. I'll mock kiwis till the day I die but i'll also put my life on the line if they were ever invaded or something.
And so you should you blardy Aussie! :p
:D
Kiwis, Canadians, Brits, hell even the Irish too. :D
AVGWarhawk
12-21-07, 11:31 AM
I don't get it. The article said this was declared in 1974 and now the declared independence is getting a boost in 2007? Sure took a long time to give it a push. What were they up too? Lobbied for more casinos during that period?
baggygreen
12-21-07, 09:28 PM
Actually if they go back to the way of life they had, they should do just fine.
I dont know if they would need the buffalo.:hmm: Give them a few thousand to feed themself,
The social problems they have clearly shows they would probably be happier living from the earth. Dont you have empty space for them to roam around? Its not like you couldnt afford it, and you could go for holiday to see real wild indians.
Not down under mate..
If we gave them (we call em aborigines down here, incidentally my great grandaddy was one) land and a free reign, they'd not last a week - especially if we cut off the booze to em... Im not familiar with the indians in the states i understand they're much better off than they let on. But thats definately the case here... if any of em decide to get off their ass n do some work, they get all sorts of social welfare to get em started in the city, they get a free education, including tertiary, the problem is that its too engrained in their wider psyche to just keep putting their hand up for benefits, cos we keep giving it to them.
A friend of mine recently interviewed an elder at the 'tent embassy' in Canberra (a national disgrace, btw) and this elder was advocating that anything built after the 'invasion' in 1788 be torn down and disappear, so they can go back to the old ways.this elder, wearing a suit and tie, was interrupted in his spiel 3 times by his blackberry ringing... and he doesnt even speak the language of his ancestors - how does he expect to go back to the old ways???
Down here, they want the world but arent willing to work for it. How it is in the states, i dunno, but i stand by what i said before - the US should let them rely on themselves to sustain a society - no power or water in, let them make do! no travel in or out without passports... etc.
Torplexed
12-21-07, 10:18 PM
A friend of mine recently interviewed an elder at the 'tent embassy' in Canberra (a national disgrace, btw) and this elder was advocating that anything built after the 'invasion' in 1788 be torn down and disappear, so they can go back to the old ways.this elder, wearing a suit and tie, was interrupted in his spiel 3 times by his blackberry ringing... and he doesnt even speak the language of his ancestors - how does he expect to go back to the old ways??
And inherently does he expect the thousands of Europeans and Asians who have immigrated down under to pack up and go back to their ancestorial homelands? That's the wishful thinking among some Native Americans groups and it's just not possible.
SUBMAN1
12-21-07, 10:59 PM
The more i see, and the more I read, the more I realize that for the average person, no matter how great ones life is, it is never good enough.
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Happy Times
12-22-07, 10:41 AM
The more i see, and the more I read, the more I realize that for the average person, no matter how great ones life is, it is never good enough.
-S
Both capitalism and socialism are based on this fact.:lol:
I've seen what happens when the Canadian tribes near Montreal and American tribes in Northern NY decide it's time they want something, and that something done their way. It's not pretty and they are serious to get what they want. And, they will even use force, if you get what I mean.
TteFAboB
12-22-07, 12:19 PM
Tax free? I'm in!
bradclark1
12-22-07, 01:16 PM
Let the bloodshed start! Doubt there will be a Custers last stand on this one.
The Cannook indians tried this not to long ago, and the Canook military sent tanks to deal with it. Same thing will probably happen with the US too. Not kidding though - someone will probably die over this, if not many.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html
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All the indians around here drive Cadillacs, Acura's, BMW's, and Mercedes.
SUBMAN1
12-22-07, 01:23 PM
They have all classes too. What I find weird though is that their own tribes seem to keep a large population of themselves poor. There is no reason for it. Maybe they like a simple way of life or something. Nothing is holding them back from using thier govermental advantages from making a few bucks.
-S
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