Information Request - Shipping Encounters

[iambecomelife]

Hey - I've been wondering what nationalities people encounter whenever they patrol in career mode? I would imagine that most of the shipping is British and American but there must be quite a few shipping lanes devoted to neutrals & smaller countries. I would like to find out what countries I should focus on when I release new ships. If a particular country is not listed or if you have any additional information, go ahead and post it. Info from GWX usesrs is especially welcome.

Thanks

[CapZap1970]

Many greek ships, specially in convoys. :hmm:
CapZap

[VipertheSniper]

Are there no mutliple choice polls possible, because I would've voted Greek & Norwegian, now I've voted Norwegian, but Greeks I soo almost as often

[U49]

With GWX 1.03 it was Norway, when I made contact with a convoy in the atlantic...

Quite a few time I did duty at CG8x... and that meant of course portugese, spanish and neutral french traffic.., but I count this as coastal waters...

[KeptinCranky]

IABL, some GWX observations, by no means complete, :D

It all depends on year and location, around the British Isles any non-Brit is usually Norwegian although you do meet some Dutch ships especially in the North Sea

this of course when they're still Neutral. after may 1940 there's the Greeks, especially in the Med, There's also quite a few French and Vichy French out there, as well as some Argentinian shipping heading for Portugal and Spain.

I voted Dutch however because I'd love to see more Dutch shipping, we had quite a large merchant fleet in those days. :up:

[linerkiller]

Surely Norwegian....after britain and the us!

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/
GOD HAS SPOKEN!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Fusek]

Norwegian and Dutch!

Do you do requests? My granddad was the eerste stuurman (helmsman?) on a few of the big Holland America Line ships, and I have acces to tons of info on those ships. Its nice to see the Nieuw Amsterdam in GWX 2.0 already.

Also, Im very looking forward to your mod!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/syneasthesia/Afbeelding.jpg


(sorry for the slight derail :))

[Von Manteuffel]

In the North Sea up to December 1939 it's mainly been British, Dutch and Norwegian; although I took great delight in sinking a Polish Freighter headed South and East of Newcastle-on-Tyne.

[Jimbuna]

In the North Sea up to December 1939 it's mainly been British, Dutch and Norwegian; although I took great delight in sinking a Polish Freighter headed South and East of Newcastle-on-Tyne.

Was probably headed for Sunderland :rotfl:

[coronas]

In North Atlantic: Ireland, Norway, Finland, Sweden,...
In South Atlantic: Spanish, Portugal and Neutral South American countries
In Mediterranean: Spanish, Greece, Vichy.
I'm NGYM 2.6 player.

[denis_469]

iambecomelife (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=215754):
Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.

[LeafsFan]

Off the Canaries, where I like to hang out, I see a lot of Argentinian, and Brazilian shipping.

HB

[mr chris]

Was probably headed for Sunderland :rotfl:

Aye sounds right Sunderland and heading down in the same sentance:rotfl:

[Pisces]

Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.No offense, but that is pretty much ENIGMA to me.

[mr chris]

Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.No offense, but that is pretty much ENIGMA to me.

What Denis was getting at i think was that the is not much soviet traffic in GWX and NYGM mods and this can be rectifyed by bringing in some russian scripters.
I might be wrong but that it how i translate it.

For my 2 cents worth.
The black sea in GWX 2.0 is a very active theatre of operations with lots of Russian ships and Merchants running around. Hats off to BBW for this:up:

[bigboywooly]

You have PM denis

True there is a lack of specific Russian ships ingame
Also a lack of information on Russian wartime shipping movements

Maybe that can be fixed denis :hmm:

[iambecomelife]

Thank you very much for the information, everyone - please keep it coming. I already have a lot of Greek and Norwegian skins, so it's good to hear that they are out there if you know where to look.

Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.No offense, but that is pretty much ENIGMA to me.

What Denis was getting at i think was that the is not much soviet traffic in GWX and NYGM mods and this can be rectifyed by bringing in some russian scripters.
I might be wrong but that it how i translate it.

For my 2 cents worth.
The black sea in GWX 2.0 is a very active theatre of operations with lots of Russian ships and Merchants running around. Hats off to BBW for this:up:

If it hasn't been done already, it would be a good idea to script in some cargo ships for the Arctic PQ-QP convoys, as well. Maybe even a handful in the transatlantic trade picking up lend-lease war supplies, especially after the Russians became the allies of America and Britain in 1941.

[denis_469]

Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.No offense, but that is pretty much ENIGMA to me.

What Denis was getting at i think was that the is not much soviet traffic in GWX and NYGM mods and this can be rectifyed by bringing in some russian scripters.
I might be wrong but that it how i translate it.

For my 2 cents worth.
The black sea in GWX 2.0 is a very active theatre of operations with lots of Russian ships and Merchants running around. Hats off to BBW for this:up:

Not offense, but I himself from Russia and see compaign files from it's mods. Another big game bag is abscent grids in soviet waters. Yes, I see, that compaign in Bkack see is vary active. But Baltic and Nothern teatres? Nothing here:oops:
And more - as BBW wrote soviet merchant ships is abscent total. In game is lend-lease ships only.
Works for modified compaigns files for soviet routs is continue all time, but as abscent many specific ships and many routs can not place in it case. Now in various russian compaigns not routs in Baltic only. In it sea was many-many minefields and I think, that computers is weak for many compaigns.

Sorry with my english.

[denis_469]

You have PM denis

True there is a lack of specific Russian ships ingame
Also a lack of information on Russian wartime shipping movements

Maybe that can be fixed denis :hmm:

You have PM BBW.

[mr chris]

Soviet ships not6 meet so in GWX and NYGM and other company not place soviet routs. This bag can partly repair used compaign from russian autors. I wait, that soviet ships in you question would be last total.No offense, but that is pretty much ENIGMA to me.
What Denis was getting at i think was that the is not much soviet traffic in GWX and NYGM mods and this can be rectifyed by bringing in some russian scripters.
I might be wrong but that it how i translate it.

For my 2 cents worth.
The black sea in GWX 2.0 is a very active theatre of operations with lots of Russian ships and Merchants running around. Hats off to BBW for this:up:
Not offense, but I himself from Russia and see compaign files from it's mods. Another big game bag is abscent grids in soviet waters. Yes, I see, that compaign in Bkack see is vary active. But Baltic and Nothern teatres? Nothing here:oops:
And more - as BBW wrote soviet merchant ships is abscent total. In game is lend-lease ships only.
Works for modified compaigns files for soviet routs is continue all time, but as abscent many specific ships and many routs can not place in it case. Now in various russian compaigns not routs in Baltic only. In it sea was many-many minefields and I think, that computers is weak for many compaigns.

Sorry with my english.

No problem at all Denis im sorry if i miss interpreted you.:yep:
You English is much better than my Russian so no need to aplogise at all.

I wish you and BBW all the best with fixing this. So that the will be more Russian ships in game and more Russian routes in other theatres besides the black sea.:up:

[CCIP]

Dutch and Norwegian!

Dutch would probably be the most common answer from me for a wider part of the Atlantic, but in the North Sea and off the Norwegian coast I see as many Norwegians as British, especially early on! Outside of that they're sparse, but that's a pretty major ops area where I spend plenty of time in most of my Atlantic Type VII careers.
Dutch ships I tend to see quite a few of in convoys.

[Jimbuna]

A huge debt of gratitude is owed to BBW for the game scripting, which was a Herculean task to say the least, but the lack of patrol grids beyond what came with the original game is sadly beyond anyones control. :arrgh!:

Stooooooopid SH3 ;)

[denis_469]

A huge debt of gratitude is owed to BBW for the game scripting, which was a Herculean task to say the least, but the lack of patrol grids beyond what came with the original game is sadly beyond anyones control. :arrgh!:

Stooooooopid SH3 ;)

I agree that BBW made hard work. Thank him for it's large.
I'm write himself see in it question, and, as I see now, I not wrong in it.

[Woof1701]

Hope I got that right:
Problem with Dutch and Norwegian ships will be that they will become "Axis" as soon as Germany overruns them in 1940, right?
Therefore you cannot put them into convoys anymore and having too many single Dutch ships running around won't be realistic either. Although in reality ships escaped from conquered countries were used in the convoys and even ran the flags, they were legitimate targets since they sailed under escort. SH3 makes no difference whether a ship is in a convoy or not and thus having neutral ships or ships from conquered countries in the convoys will make attacking convoys problematic to say the least. In reality a sub commander couldn't be bothered to check on the nationality of a convoy vessel when firing a spread of torpedoes into a convoy. That's also the reason the USS Reuben James was sunk before the US joined the war. They were openly helping the British protect a convoy.

In case I misunderstood something please feel free to point it out ;)

[VonDos]

Italian also! :up:

:sunny:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Canadian. Second to that Norwegians

[bigboywooly]

Hope I got that right:
Problem with Dutch and Norwegian ships will be that they will become "Axis" as soon as Germany overruns them in 1940, right?
Therefore you cannot put them into convoys anymore and having too many single Dutch ships running around won't be realistic either. Although in reality ships escaped from conquered countries were used in the convoys and even ran the flags, they were legitimate targets since they sailed under escort. SH3 makes no difference whether a ship is in a convoy or not and thus having neutral ships or ships from conquered countries in the convoys will make attacking convoys problematic to say the least. In reality a sub commander couldn't be bothered to check on the nationality of a convoy vessel when firing a spread of torpedoes into a convoy. That's also the reason the USS Reuben James was sunk before the US joined the war. They were openly helping the British protect a convoy.

In case I misunderstood something please feel free to point it out ;)

All shipping from countries over ran by Germany becomes Allied
The counties themselves become in effect German from a game point of view

Ships from the Netherlands\Norway etc are only a problem in convoys when the country is neutral ( before German invasion ) thats when you get a renown hit

In RL many ships from Norway\Holland etc escaped internent\capture by sailing to an allied port and working for the MoWT - Ministery of War Transport

[U49]

According to the vote until today it seems norway is the primary country.
This should be checked,... in my understanding sweden was the country that I expected from RL descriptions .....?

Maybe this can be established as a proven record....... otherwise I think we need to arrange for the campaign files...

One mistake so far: this poll does not distinguish between stock (have we agreed what to call it?) GWX and other super mods...