All The Best To The Atlantiic Sharks

[HundertzehnGustav]

yesterday i found myself prepariing an entire post somewhere along the lines of
I WANT GWX2.0 in SH IV

so hopefully i can contribute somehow. I do not know or understand SHIV very well yet, so it might take a while untill i can do more than stand here and cheer.

still> more power to you.... and if the *bad boys*:hmm: from GWX /as seen inthe other thread:rotfl: / take over:huh: your project... the better for me, because they shure as hell know what they are doing in SH III:damn:

what i see in the sctreenshots is great, man , GREAT.
from the first moment i did an american boat, i wished i had been able to bring my IXB to SHIV.

[Ducimus]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/getoffmylawnunbrand.jpg

[ReallyDedPoet]

yesterday i found myself prepariing an entire post somewhere along the lines of
I WANT GWX2.0 in SH IV

so hopefully i can contribute somehow. I do not know or understand SHIV very well yet, so it might take a while untill i can do more than stand here and cheer.

still> more power to you.... and if the *bad boys*:hmm: from GWX /as seen inthe other thread:rotfl: / take over:huh: your project... the better for me, because they shure as hell know what they are doing in SH III:damn:

what i see in the sctreenshots is great, man , GREAT.
from the first moment i did an american boat, i wished i had been able to bring my IXB to SHIV.

No disrespect the the GWX Crew, they have and will be putting out a great product. That said, current modders in SH4 need not take a back seat to anybody here at SUBSIM :yep::up:

Currently playing SH4 1.4 with Trigger Maru and loving it.


RDP

[Torps]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/getoffmylawnunbrand.jpg


Agreed:rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/getoffmylawnunbrand.jpg

:rock::rock:


RDP

[Mush Martin]

@RDP
Oh even I agree with that and I havent moved over to sh4 yet
:|\\M

[HundertzehnGustav]

we evill tscherman keleuns going to take away the american game and durn it over to tze Dark side....:arrgh!:

Komm to tze dark Zide and use FAT Torpedoes!:arrgh!:

3.7cm Flak for alle!

Seriously though... we need to use our entire force on this to get that thing to work.

maybe we can have AI american Boats that fire torps? that bit of freedom i would grant them... as long as they are all set to Duds....:p


see.... we

[ReallyDedPoet]

Seriously though... we need to use our entire force on this to get that thing to work.



If your talking about Atlantic Sharks, the add-on will give it a boost, as far as the Pacific, it is working quite nicely now :yep::up:


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, as you know there will be an add-on. Also, most of the SH3 files are the same in SH4. I also see that SH4 will take a two tier approach, uboats and subs. But, currently SH4 has some kick butt modders doing one hell of a job! From what I understand there has been some talk between a few SH4 modders and the fellas modding SH3.


RDP:
No disrespect the the GWX Crew, they have and will be putting out a great product. That said, current modders in SH4 need not take a back seat to anybody here at SUBSIM :yep::up:
My sentiments exactly. I have seen some really great stuff coming out for SH4. There is much chatter among those that are really interested in making it great! Furthermore, there is new folks with new ideas and know how. These guys have the passion for the Pacific like the GWX crew has a passion for the Atlantic.

[AVGWarhawk]

Seriously though... we need to use our entire force on this to get that thing to work.

I have seen Kpt Lehman making his way over to the ROW thread.:yep:

[ReallyDedPoet]

@RDP
Oh even I agree with that and I havent moved over to sh4 yet
:|\\M

What's stopping you :D


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah.....UBERSUBMARINE!

[Mush Martin]

Size matters AVG that and Speed armour firepower range
service depth and importantly for my crew the ten forward
lounge which is a Wet mess and run by a famous actress.
:doh:
M

[edit] whats seriously stopping me is a personal desire to
complete the sh3 project, I believe I made the right call
in that regards, Sh4 is looking spectacular and seriously
would be distracting. on the other hand I am very tempted
these days.

M

[Archie]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9184/75pk9.jpg


:arrgh!:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice sig. Archie :up:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9046/avatar2sh4il0.jpg


RDP

[Archie]

Thx RDP, knocked it up in 2 minutes in MS Paint ! ;)

[ReallyDedPoet]

Thx RDP, knocked it up in 2 minutes in MS Paint ! ;)

Quick and easy, whatever works :up:


RDP

[longam]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9184/75pk9.jpg


:arrgh!:

What he said...the duke

[Hartmann]

I´m sure that the new addon could make the things a lot easier. it could be a box of tools and ideas for modders.

with the time the atlantic campaign will move to sh4, like when Sh2 was modded for a pacific campaign. :yep:

[stabiz]

The SH4-diehards are so touchy, and pat each others backs afterwards? :nope:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Not really, I enjoyed SH3 and GWX, but wanted a change. I am enjoying the Pacific Theatre and Fleet Boats, it is nice to get a break from U-Boats for awhile.

Plus modders here have done great work with the Pacific, yet there are still those that say wait until the GWX Crew get to SH4, it can all get a little tiring.


RDP

[Ducimus]

To put it bluntly, Im sick and tired of uboats and the proxy gloriifcation of the 3rd riech.

I'll stop there, as i feel raging tangent building within me that will make this thread explode much more then it already will.

[AVGWarhawk]

The SH4-diehards are so touchy, and pat each others backs afterwards? :nope:

Not really diehards Stabiz. Personally I feel the original post discredits what is being done now with SH4 and the modders who are doing it. There are some talented guys working over SH4 now. Perhaps this is why they are touchy? Not to mention that the "bad boys of GWX know what they are doing' certainly undermines the works going on with SH4. Looking around the SH4 mod forums, I see a lot of bad boys making a good game, great! Not to mention new faces with new ideas and talent. Every dog has his day and it is time for the current modders to have their day.

The uboats will be in the Pacific when the add-on arrives, maybe before. I foresee a uboat SH4 forum and mod forum in the future. This looks to be the course. I have no desire at the moment to play the uboats and I suspect the fellas active in the SH4 forums do not want to play the uboats.

[Mush Martin]

I agree completely, consider working on a game that everybody
disrestpected proactively from day one and working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.
especially under the impending release of the master work
and knowing that that is the standard they will be measured
by. I for one can understand a bit of touchiness what I dont
understand is the respect thats commanded isnt given.

the percentage of previously experienced modders dedicated
to sh4 is small compared to sh3 and all the old hands about.
in sh3 there are new modders but the ratio seems much smaller
those that need to learn to mod tend to just wish when its
a large community with talent I suppose.

the way I learned it your never given a wish without
being given the power to make it come true.
I wished for a hot rod sub and got one
and I wished for an authentic river class frigate
and got one. I may have been lazy assed for the
last three or for months but I burned up the beginning
of this year learning how to get those things.

its always been my opinion that both are great games and that in full
measure of potential both games are quite equal it just seems
that no one recognizes that fact and you know its to my mind
a credit to ubi that such is true.

Just my opinion
M:|\\

[AVGWarhawk]

MM:
working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.



I do not believe anyone modding SH4 thinks they are working in the shadow of giants. I don't think Leovampire owns a copy of SH3 and would have no idea what GWX is like. That goes for a lot of new faces and talents working over the SH4 files. Right now the benchmarks are being made in SH4....ROW, RSRD, RFB, TM, MSN, Longer Evasion. These are my benchmarks. Not the Uboat campaign. The uboats had their history and historical accuracy is being obtained in GWX. The same is being done with the benchmarks now in motion in SH4 the Pacific. Those are the ones I named above.

[Ducimus]

working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.
especially under the impending release of the master work
and knowing that that is the standard they will be measured
by. I for one can understand a bit of touchiness what I dont
understand is the respect thats commanded isnt given.

If your insinuating that we should all bow down to the "almight" GWX and pay it hommage and adulations of respect.....

All i can say to that, is as a person who's been in the subsim community before the Grey wolves was conceptualized, the effort put into the mod is worth respect, but the reputation the mod has garnered is misplaced.

Apparently, not many people know what this place was like before "supermods". GWX is built off community effort that spans the time span of, almost 4 years of invidual modder effort. In other words, they didn't come up with "GW" all by themselves. You know what came before GW or GWX? Unified campaign. Before that, Harbor traffic and improved convoys. Trace it back far enough, and GW's lineage begins with Jace11 and Rubini, not to mention a host of other modders who focused on different things besides campaign work.

GWX is a great modpack, but it is not the father of all that is innovative and good in Sh3. Truth be told, some of the more innovate modifications in SH3 can acutally be found in the NYGM mod. At least two features of which, in my opinion, make GWX's approach on the same modification look like second rate solutions.

[Archie]

I'll take my Fleet Boat over some overhyped kraut tin can any damn day. Go get 'em Duci! :arrgh!:

[kiwi_2005]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/getoffmylawnunbrand.jpg

:up:

:arrgh!:

[Fish40]

The shame of it is, most of those "on the other side", consider SH4 a piece of garbage. I've read plenty about how some have no intention of even trying it out! GWX is definitely a masterpiece. I admit, I still play GWX, and I can't wait for the next update. There's nothing wrong with that. But to call this sim trash over an admitedly rocky start, just don't make sense to me:nope: They don't know what they're missing. And furthermore, at least we have a working radio, with news broadcasts to boot! I know we don't have the radio room, but be honest: How often do you go into the radio room anyway? :smug:

[Mush Martin]

working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.
especially under the impending release of the master work
and knowing that that is the standard they will be measured
by. I for one can understand a bit of touchiness what I dont
understand is the respect thats commanded isnt given.
If your insinuating that we should all bow down to the "almight" GWX and pay it hommage and adulations of respect.....

All i can say to that, is as a person who's been in the subsim community before the Grey wolves was conceptualized, the effort put into the mod is worth respect, but the reputation the mod has garnered is misplaced.

Apparently, not many people know what this place was like before "supermods". GWX is built off community effort that spans the time span of, almost 4 years of invidual modder effort. In other words, they didn't come up with "GW" all by themselves. You know what came before GW or GWX? Unified campaign. Before that, Harbor traffic and improved convoys. Trace it back far enough, and GW's lineage begins with Jace11 and Rubini, not to mention a host of other modders who focused on different things besides campaign work.

GWX is a great modpack, but it is not the father of all that is innovative and good in Sh3. Truth be told, some of the more innovate modifications in SH3 can acutally be found in the NYGM mod. At least two features of which, in my opinion, make GWX's approach on the same modification look like second rate solutions.
No Ducimus I am trying to equate your work and its quality and
difficulty with their achievements and I wasnt meaning at all
to imply anything about the experienced modders of sh4 more
really the new modders in sh4.

not trying to demean good sir trying to promote your cause
and that of equanimity and good fellowship.
M

[Archie]

I agree completely, consider working on a game that everybody
disrestpected proactively from day one and working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.
especially under the impending release of the master work
and knowing that that is the standard they will be measured
by. I for one can understand a bit of touchiness what I dont
understand is the respect thats commanded isnt given.

Just my opinion
M:|\\

Excuse me? "the respect that is COMMANDED isnt given"....... please, stop right there, I have not played SH3 nor GWX, and after this tripe, never will.

AFAIK in this little black ducks pond, respect is EARNED, not COMMANDED, how can you come into the SH4 Mods Workshop with a straight face and COMMAND respect for something I for one have not even seen. Go back to the Atlantic dude.

[Mush Martin]

I agree completely, consider working on a game that everybody
disrestpected proactively from day one and working in the shadow
of giants would make anyone a bit defensive about their work.
especially under the impending release of the master work
and knowing that that is the standard they will be measured
by. I for one can understand a bit of touchiness what I dont
understand is the respect thats commanded isnt given.

Just my opinion
M:|\\
Excuse me? "the respect that is COMMANDED isnt given"....... please, stop right there, I have not played SH3 nor GWX, and after this tripe, will never.... well done. :up:
You misunderstand me sir I mean that the respect that those sh3 players
demand isnt payed forward by them to the sh4 mod community.

conversely I must say that I as an sh3 player when I express an interest
in sh4 and the sh4 community not only dont feel welcome to play or discuss
sh4 I feel I am being told Im not allowed to be an sh4 modder because
I didnt abandon immediately and come over

[kiwi_2005]

The shame of it is, most of those "on the other side", consider SH4 a piece of garbage. I've read plenty about how some have no intention of even trying it out! GWX is definitely a masterpiece. I admit, I still play GWX, and I can't wait for the next update. There's nothing wrong with that. But to call this sim trash over an admitedly rocky start, just don't make sense to me:nope: They don't know what they're missing. And furthermore, at least we have a working radio, with news broadcasts to boot! I know we don't have the radio room, but be honest: How often do you go into the radio room anyway? :smug:

Tis called jealously cause they know the SH3 engine will NEVER look good as SH4. And that eats them! :lol:

:yep:

[Ducimus]

MM,

Your post, i think was poorly worded, as it left itself open to negative interprettation.

I think what you'll find, is that for some of us (maybe many of us?), we're a little tired of having GWX ramrodded down our throats. As far as im concerned GWX, like SH3, is part of "yesterday" and "remember when", not here and now.

Silent hunter 4 is a new game, with a new theater, i like to think of it as a new beginning; a chance to take lessons learn from the past, and forge a better here and now.

[Mush Martin]

Mayhaps your right about the wording I guess
after all the meaning of what we say is how
other people take it.

you said
"Silent hunter 4 is a new game, with a new theater, i like to think of it as a new beginning; a chance to take lessons learn from the past, and forge a better here and now"
(someone please teach me how to do the cool quote thing)

As do I ducimus
I have as RDP and others will attest always
maintained my aim on sh4 I have always
prefered the american boats and the
pacific campaign was my introduction to
submarine warfare back with Silent Service
on 8 bit nintendo.

since then I have spent years with my
nose in books and documentaries on the
tv and visited countless websites pursuing
the passion for it.

as a player when I joined I started to learn
to mod on sh3 and wanted to move to sh4
after i had learned what I needed to. I would
finish my education as it were at the school
I am enrolled at so as I can retire to this wonderful
Island I know in the pacific that I land my seaplane
on the beach of in IL-2 and build me a secret
submarine RastaNaziPirate Base

I have owned sh4 since
its release date and have never once uttered
a discouraging word against it.



I Love this game
I Love this community SS that is.
I Love SH3
I Love SH4 and agree that its the future
all we can do is conduct ourselves as Officers and
Gentlemen and Hope it catches on.

[Edit] And Sauce for the goose months before SH4
was out I was named not for a german or english
captain
(The Theatre I play in and my heritage respectively)
I took the Name of an American Submariner who
Strongly promoted the idea that a submarine
at battle depth was the equal of any ship
in single combat.

Thanks Ducimus I appreciate your post and
will be kicking about both front lawns hopefully
without stepping on anybodys toes

[skwasjer]

Oh no, not again...

Why do we keep comparing a game that has had 4 years of mod-time with a game that has just had 7 months?

Want to compare? Compare both stock games, have fun! :rotfl:

[Peto]

...the respect thats commanded isnt given...



In my experience, Respect isn't commanded. It's earned. And while I have Great respect for the GWX team, I also have Respect for the people modding SH4. Why?

Becuase they've Earned it.

No disrespect intended at all. Just kudos for those who have been Working so hard on SH4 (especially before Peto).

[Mush Martin]

Peto what makes you think I dont.

[kylesplanet]

SH4 was the first subsim I ever owned. I found this place and I can't put it away for more than a day. I bought it right after patch .02 came out and the difference in this game from then until now is unreal. I bought SH3 and played it for a little while but I just couldn't get into firing on my own flag and I mean no disrespect to SH3 but it's like an Atari 2600 next to SH4. I gave SH3 to my neighbor.

Thank you SH4 modders for making this game the very best I've ever played, getting me more interested in WW2 sub history and providing so much info here at Subsim.:yep:

[Mush Martin]

@kylesplanet

Thats what it was like for all of us on our first
be prepared for a lifetime of enjoyment of the
subject.:up:

[nvdrifter]

Not another SH3 vs SH4 vs GWX vs all the rest thread. :shifty:

I like playing SH3 with GWX installed. I like playing SH4 with Trigger Maru installed. Both games and all the mods are great. SH3 with GWX has it's good and bad points. SH4 with TM has it's good and bad points. It's just a personal preference anyways. Freedom of choice is good. :sunny:

[Madox58]

I did not read this whole thread.
I don't think I need to.
I hope all can see the future.
The Grey wolves will work on SH4.
All of us knew that.
Before you say or post something you may regret?
Wait!!!
Give us time to finish up where we are now.
I really don't want to see People looking Retarded!
Que my favorite!!!
:rotfl:

[Ducimus]

You know, i dont recall trolling the SH3 mod forum any time recently, or even in the last few months. Shame these bozo's can't show the same respect.

[Reece]

Not another SH3 vs SH4 vs GWX vs all the rest thread. :shifty:

I like playing SH3 with GWX installed. I like playing SH4 with Trigger Maru installed. Both games and all the mods are great. SH3 with GWX has it's good and bad points. SH4 with TM has it's good and bad points. It's just a personal preference anyways. Freedom of choice is good. :sunny: :up::up:
What a lot of nasty things are being said, I purchased both & enjoyed SH3 very much, did a lot of mods etc, now I'm trying the Pacific theater, & hope to enjoy this as well, including modding etc, certainly has nothing to do with the politics of that era, both navies were doing their job for their country regardless of the politics, there may have been some exceptions but very few!:roll:
The SHIII modders did good & the SHIV modders have done good as well, if I do a compare between the 2 it is purely for an example of a texture, settings etc, a little more understanding is needed before posting the hate comments is in order!:yep:

[LukeFF]

Oh no, not again...

Why do we keep comparing a game that has had 4 years of mod-time with a game that has just had 7 months?

What he said.

SH4 in time will be what SH3 has become. There's plenty of room for the game to expand, especially given that Ubi is still supporting the title.

[stabiz]

You know, i dont recall trolling the SH3 mod forum any time recently, or even in the last few months. Shame these bozo's can't show the same respect.

Maybe not, but you bash every thread that contains something about uboats in SH4 or the uboat-addon.

I agree with AVG, I think there should be subforums(!) for the addon when it is released, if not I think the SH4-forums will be unpleasant.

[skwasjer]

He's only bashing some dude that comes in, demands (!) GWX for SH4, wants a uboat and is happy if mod teams from SH3 take over the SH4 community. I mean, lol?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Oh no, not again...

Why do we keep comparing a game that has had 4 years of mod-time with a game that has just had 7 months?
What he said.

SH4 in time will be what SH3 has become. There's plenty of room for the game to expand, especially given that Ubi is still supporting the title.

SH4 will surpass SH3, but isn't that the idea that with each launch in the series, that each one raises the bar. Before SH4 there had not been anything in the Pacific in over 10 years, it was and is time for a change.

And again, SH4 modders ( past, present and future ) need not take a back seat to anybody.


RDP

[nvdrifter]

*sigh*

This isn't some damn modder competition to see who can outdo each other. Let's all work together for the benefit of everyone playing SH3 and SH4. :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

You know, i dont recall trolling the SH3 mod forum any time recently, or even in the last few months. Shame these bozo's can't show the same respect.
Maybe not, but you bash every thread that contains something about uboats in SH4 or the uboat-addon.

I agree with AVG, I think there should be subforums(!) for the addon when it is released, if not I think the SH4-forums will be unpleasant.

I'm sure there will be another forum for uboats/sh4. It is only logical because if there are a mixed jumble of uboat and sub threads, it will just be that, a jumbled mix of information that is no good for anyone. For now, the best bet right now for those hungry for the uboats in the SH4 environment is to start looking over the changes in the SH4 files as compared to the SH3. (Atlantic Sharks mod thread) Although many are alike, many have changed. Then, once the big switch is clicked with the add-on, modding can happen quickly and without issue. Furthermore, there is a wealth of information right now with the fellas working over SH4 files have now. Give them room to breath and work the Pacific in SH4. These guys will be a huge help down the road for old and new modders alike who want to join in on modding for either theater. It is their time to shine and all of them are shining darn bright!!! (thanks gents, the mods are just great!)

Right now is a good time for the uboat fans to load up the new release of GWX, embrace it, enjoy it to its fullest and give high fives to the GWX team for great work. The reason for this? The add-on is many many months away! Makes no sense bickering back and forth when we could be enjoying the theater we like sinking merchants in!

[ref]

He's only bashing some dude that comes in, demands (!) GWX for SH4, wants a uboat and is happy if mod teams from SH3 take over the SH4 community. I mean, lol?


That's not entirelly true, I don't use to post here because I haven't time yet to take a deep look at SH4, so my contributions would be small, but I read the SH4 subforum, Ducimus had a problem with some members of the GW team, and he tends to show his personal feelings with anyone who has the GWX signature, (just read any thread that has a post from a GWX team member and you'll see a few posts later an offensive response from Ducimus), but I can assure you that we don't want to "take over" the sh4 community, the only thing we are guilty of (and proudly) is to make a good mod for sh3, and continuosly tryied to improve it, we can't take the blame if the other modding teams abandoned the development, or what users of the mod say.
I wan't to think that I've behaved properly since my arrival at the SS comunity, and made some substancial contributions to the SHx series, and I try not to reply to trolling atempts, but some posts from a very small group of SH4 fans are starting to be annoying, and the rest of the SH4 comunity is being influenced in a bad way by that small group, based in the recent history (sh4 forum) without having the long term historic background on who they're following.


I don't want either to start or continue a flame war (I even't don't understand why there should be one) so this will be my first and last post on the subject.

Ref

[skwasjer]

I agree ref, mostly. I don't look back though. I'm looking at the issue at hand, and the original post was bait for such remarks, be it Ducimus or anyone else that ALSO spends countless hours on modding the game. This has nothing to do with GWX, or the people behind it.

[edit]
PS: it troubles me that so many people can't keep issues apart and look at each problem seperately.

[TDK1044]

"Hell hath no fury like a modder scorned" :D

[ref]

"Hell hath no fury like a modder scorned" :D

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Damn, you owe me a new keyboard... I shouldn't read this kind of posts with a coffee cup in my hand.

Ref

[Digital_Trucker]

I agree ref, mostly. I don't look back though. I'm looking at the issue at hand, and the original post was bait for such remarks, be it Ducimus or anyone else that ALSO spends countless hours on modding the game. This has nothing to do with GWX, or the people behind it.

[edit]
PS: it troubles me that so many people can't keep issues apart and look at each problem seperately.

Ditto and amen! Bait is bait and it smells like chum all the way down here. All I want to add to this fustercluck is that I am extremely thankful that the CURRENT SH4 community is what it is, cooperative, friendly and productive. I only hope it can stay that way:arrgh!:

[Ducimus]

Ducimus had a problem with some members of the GW team, and he tends to show his personal feelings with anyone who has the GWX signature, (just read any thread that has a post from a GWX team member and you'll see a few posts later an offensive response from Ducimus),

Not true. I honestly don't have any issues with you, Dansilla, or whoever. My irritation is really over Lehman, and anyone who tow's Lehamns line, hook line and stinker like Dowly.
Its one thing to mod and work for GWX, its another damn thing to tow K'L's BS. Lehamn as your mouthpiece, is really doing GW as a modding group, harm, over time. He's essentually turned GW into the EA of modding, with Lehman as its Larry probst.

And before he c omes in here like he typically does, throwing his usual temper tamtrum, i have him on ignore, so don't waste your time posting one of your "sour grapes, he was a mistake from the begining" BS posts. That bastard is a manipulative son of a bitch. Do what he wants, or have something he wants, he'll bestow all sorts of praise, but don't follow along, don't do what he wants, don't allow hom to try and asssert some position of dominance on you, and he paints you up like a "mistake from the beginning". MANIPULATIVE.. there isnt any other word for it.

So go ahead ref, think i hate everybody, but its not the truth.

[Dowly]

Come on, havent we discussed this over and over again? Nobody has ever forced anyone to use GWX in SH3. And it doesnt change if we decide to move to mod SH4 to a Uboat war. NOBODY FORCES YOU TO USE IT!!! So be calm, it's the player's decision on what they use. A player that likes US subs uses the mods aimed for US sub operations and players who prefer Uboats, use the uboat mod(s). Simple as that. ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

Ok men, before this becomes just crazy like the last time and more brig time is handed out. Lets put this puppy to bed. The energies being spent here on this could be used elsewhere. Like family, friends or modding.

Be good.

[Onkel Neal]

Ducimus had a problem with some members of the GW team, and he tends to show his personal feelings with anyone who has the GWX signature, (just read any thread that has a post from a GWX team member and you'll see a few posts later an offensive response from Ducimus),

Not true. I honestly don't have any issues with you, Dansilla, or whoever. My irritation is really over Lehman, and anyone who tow's Lehamns line, hook line and stinker like Dowly.
Its one thing to mod and work for GWX, its another damn thing to tow K'L's BS. Lehamn as your mouthpiece, is really doing GW as a modding group, harm, over time. He's essentually turned GW into the EA of modding, with Lehman as its Larry probst.

And before he c omes in here like he typically does, throwing his usual temper tamtrum, i have him on ignore, so don't waste your time posting one of your "sour grapes, he was a mistake from the begining" BS posts. That bastard is a manipulative son of a bitch. Do what he wants, or have something he wants, he'll bestow all sorts of praise, but don't follow along, don't do what he wants, don't allow hom to try and asssert some position of dominance on you, and he paints you up like a "mistake from the beginning". MANIPULATIVE.. there isnt any other word for it.

So go ahead ref, think i hate everybody, but its not the truth.

I don't say this very often but maybe you should just lurk more and post less, Ducimus.