[TEC] Sub Pitch Test - Please Help Compare (again)

[panthercules]

The previous poll was very helpful in confirming that my tweaks were heading in the right direction - vote was 19-2 in favor of the tweaked pitch video. But, there were also some helpful comments about some of the roll aspects of both of the prior video clips.

Therefore, I've created another poll and am again asking folks who have the time to take a couple of minutes to review two more videos (each only 30 seconds long) and let me know which one they like better.

The videos to review can be found here:

Take 2 can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238xAl0G6Rs


Take 3 can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrH-8tSvctM



Thanks in advance for your help :yep:

[edit - oops - probably should have labeled this thread "[WIP]" instead of "[TEC]", but it doesn't seem to let you edit the title to your thread - maybe a moderator can change that for me?]

[swdw]

I like 3 better, The rolls are timed better with the wave actions and the pitching seems better. IN take 2 it seems like the boat is diving into the waves and something about the rolls just didn't feel as good as take 3

[Peto]

Both of those clips look Great Panther :up:!!! I chose 2 becuase--well--it felt better to me.

Edit: LOL!!! I hope you get a couple more votes to break the tie!!!

[FooFighters]

Take 2 for me.. looks more natural :up:

[EAGLE_01]

Take 2. Great work. I've been hoping since April someone could address thjis problem Can't wait for the release! No more "Sub-on-a-rail"!! :rock:

[Cap'n Spanky]

2 feels great!!!

[Digital_Trucker]

I would have to say two, too (or is it tutu?):hmm:

[Bill Nichols]

I could live with either of them and be a very happy, if a wee bit green, sailor.
If I had to chose, I'd go with #2 also.

:ahoy:

[momo55]

Take 2 for me.. looks more natural :up:
That's my feeling 2 ....so #2

[hector]

I liked both but if i had to absolutely make a choice then it would be #2.

Hector

[Reaves]

Take 3 seemed to have a little too much roll IMO. It looked great but she seemed to continually roll from extreme left to extreme right every time.

[hyperion2206]

I concur: Version 2 looks better/ more realistic IMHO.

[Seaman_Hornsby]

Take 3 seemed to have a little too much roll IMO. It looked great but she seemed to continually roll from extreme left to extreme right every time.

I had the same reaction. I voted for Take 2. :up:

[theluckyone17]

I like both... but I like #2 better. The pitch seems to be more pronounced that #3. I like the roll in #2, too... seems like the boat has less mass, less intertia, so it rolls faster.

[fvd]

Difficult to say, nr. 2 and 3 both look nice!
The only difference (to my opinion) is that nr. 2 fits much better for bigger types of boats while nr. 3 would fit nice to small boats.
In nr. 3 it's like the boat is more sensitive to the movement of the waves which is the case with small boats.

Anyhow: nice work!!!

Regards,
fvd

[Topo65]

Take 2!!! :up:

[letterboy1]

I wonder if external shots can be included to see the entire sub's dynamic behavior.

[panthercules]

I wonder if external shots can be included to see the entire sub's dynamic behavior.

Good suggestion - I had done some external videos too, but they were separate from the bridge views and the videos got too big for Youtube with the encoder I was using at the time. In my next (and probably final) poll/thread on this, using patch 1.4 this time, I'll combine the bridge and external views in the videos - it will make them a little longer, but the video compressor I'm using should be able to get the longer videos down small enough for Youtube's limits, so it should work, and it does help to see both (though my main focus is the bridge view, as long as the external one isn't stupid looking).

[capt_frank]

I like two...

And I wish my wave action looked like that, even with ROW!!

What do you have loaded there?

[DeepIron]

I'm a bit happier with 3 than with 2...

Nitpicking, the roll motion in both are a bit wrong. The sub should roll when traveling parallel or mostly parallel to the wave troughs and the lifting action of the waves is abeam of the hull.

In the vids, the bow convincingly plunges into the wave crests which are ahead of the bow, the wave troughs are 90 degrees to the subs line of travel. Technically, there should be little rolling motion at all..

[kapitan_zur_see]

i like 2 better, seems to pitch more...
Still, it doesn't really cope with SH4 limitation wich really makes it like the pitch&roll are a precalculated animation sequence triggered when weather is bad and isn't reacting according to waves motion at all... But this has nothing to do with your work wich looks better than stock at least.
Do someone know if it's really a precalculated sequence by the way? really seems so... sometimes you are rolling to the left the same time a wave going from left to right hits your left side (and should then make you roll to the right)...?!? :doh:
Amazing! the pitch, from what i recall, was correctly implemented back in old SH2 (though overdone but still working according to sea motion...). Go figure why sometimes they just "uninvent" the wheel lol :damn:

[panthercules]

Looks like 2 is a clear winner again - interesting. It's tough to capture this sufficiently in such a short video - in actuality, the pitch and roll behavior is noticeable different now (with ROW at least - haven't really tested with stock that much) depending on which direction you are sailing as compared to the direction the wind is coming from. Of course, I was taking the videos for the polls from the same direction each time, to keep that constant, but in the testing I definitely could tell the difference between steering into the wind and sailing cross-wind.

Therefore, it seems possible that there is actually some sort of "natural" interaction going on between the boat's movement and the wave movement, as opposed to it being some completely divorced animation triggered sort of thing. However, I haven't really been able to tell for sure yet if the movement on different headings relative to the wind is actually better, or just different, if you know what I mean. I'll test that further now that I've seen what sort of combination most folks seem to like better.

I've put off most further testing of this for a few days while I check the compatibility of some of my other mods/tweaks with the new patch, and wait to see what Leo and the crew might do to ROW based on patch 1.4, 'cause I don't want to spend a bunch more time testing this on stock 1.4 and then maybe have to do it again when ROW gets tweaked (assuming it will).

Thanks again for all the help and input :up: