JEEEESE , MAN, and i thoot we had History lessons when we went to school

[HundertzehnGustav]

Lancasters with inverted American Stars on aluuminum skin hunting ships in the Pac.

Ouch, it hurts.... You mean i actually PAID for this?

question: is it possible to take the SH III planes (plus weapons and stuff) and stove them into SH IV straight away,or are both Sims incompatible in that respect?
I have fond memories of Wildcats to replace the Buffaloes, and Avengers to get rid of our Torpedo Bomber. Someone have a Spare SBD or two?

What about the SH III Ships like the Ammunition Freighter?

The Jap Flying Boats are cute, as are the general Modelling and the Men aboard the Cargoes, DDs and BBs.

Good to be back in the saddle, now i just have to learn about US boats, wich seem all the same, and dont even have the same amount of AAA as mx good old IXC....

:rotfl:

hi gang wasssup!
:arrgh!:

[mgbmike]

A search turned this up:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109881

The filefront link in the first post is still OK

[panthercules]

Welcome to this side of the world :D

The Lancaster is definitely a bit weird - but then again, so was seeing a bunch of British battleships at Pearl Harbor in Pacific Fighters :lol:

You'd think people spending all that time and money doing a game about a specific historical subject would catch something like that - why even bother to put the thing in the game, since the uninformed would never miss it and the informed are just put off by it? However, I guess I stopped being amazed/disappointed by dumb stuff like this way back in the Nintendo days when they put out the "1943: The Battle of Midway" game - I mean, c'mon :nope:

[mrbeast]

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

[Balu0]

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

[Mechman]

Its sadly true. That's why many fighters were unflyable in pacific fighters. They can afford licensing for a top title, but Silent Hunter isn't really a giant moneymaker for them, so they couldn't afford to pay the licensing fees and still hire a dev team.
As long as a company still holds the patents, the aircraft and all digital representations are that companies. Stupid but true.

[Ducimus]

It IS true. Northrup grumman, and i think lockheed-martin as well, have established copyrights on their aircraft. Kinda sucks that you can put a copyright on history.

[nattydread]

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

Oh believe it. I cant say its the case for SHIV, im not privy to that info, but do believe companys would place such restrictions on devs.

For instance, i believe "BumbleBee" wasnt a volskwagen bettle in the Transformers Movie, because Volkswagen didnt want their car used as a fighting machine. Flight sims tend to not show the crashes because the aircraft manufactures dont want their planes to be associated with crashes, etc, etc.

Everybody wants their cut and/or wants to protect themselves from some preceieved negative image...their laywers are doing a good job of finding stuff to do in order to justifying their presence and high retainers.:nope:

[razark]

Kinda sucks that you can put a copyright on history.

I can understand that the products designed and built by these companies are still their products, and therefore are copyrighted. But, really, are they that worried about someone using a 60+ year old airplane?

[Peto]

Kinda sucks that you can put a copyright on history.

I can understand that the products designed and built by these companies are still their products, and therefore are copyrighted. But, really, are they that worried about someone using a 60+ year old airplane?

They are if they see the potential for a buck by doing so. :shifty: They probably spend more money buying computer sims to see if their interests have been sullied than they would make by actually prosecuting somebody :nope:.

[bigboywooly]

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

As the Catalina was used in SH3 I see no reason they couldnt use it in SH4
Same goes for the B24 and Avenger

[JU_88]

yeah but they look crappy compared to Sh4s planes. :oops:

[bigboywooly]

yeah but they look crappy compared to Sh4s planes. :oops:

What I meant JU was if they had them in SH3 they could have added them into SH4
Instead of the Lanc

Sure they would have been bought up to the same spec as the SH4 air units

[HundertzehnGustav]

OUCH

hell, the romanians would have done a good job at PROMOTING those Aircraft, and , in result, their Manufacturers. I mean... Libs, Wildcats Bearcats and PBYs WON the war, right?

I could understand Mitsubishi being pissed because their Zeroes get a "flaming" in this game, but this jhust defies my sense of logic/use.

Same shat as for 1946, couldnt get an F8F airborne without buying a license, or paying hughe Royalties.

our new god be called Money an so forth

:down:


Well, lets do them ourselves. :hmm:

[HundertzehnGustav]

heh JU88, what would i have to pay YOU to get a look at whats on your Harddrive?:D

gotta get my SHIII1.4Gwx1.03 up too...

[SimHq Tom Cofield]

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

It is very true. Nothrop/Grumman threatened lawsuits against UBI if they continued to put aircraft like the F6F in their game. That is why the Avenger was never made playable in Pacific Fighters. It has been rumored that there is a full blown cockpit for the Avenger made but it will never bee seen because of this.

[Seafireliv]

I guess this must be why when I look in my book of WWII subs and try to find them in the game, I can`t.:nope: