View Full Version : Chess experts, how do I finish this game?
TteFAboB
10-22-07, 10:52 AM
It's endless. My friend and I just keep dancing around the board, unable to pin the black king or get it to eat the white pieces. What blatantly obvious finishing set of moves are we failing to see?
http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/6/10/22/f_endlessm_7d5fb58.jpg
Hakahura
10-22-07, 11:12 AM
I disagree.....
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9058/checkmatepv6.jpg
Not easy to pull off and any how only a fool will not see they are beaten.
SUBMAN1
10-22-07, 11:31 AM
Not easy to pull off and any how only a fool will not see they are beaten.
Nope - Only a fool would think they are beaten. This could easily end in a draw. WHen it gets down to King only, the enemy has only a limited number of moves to finish you off until it would be called a draw.
-S
PS THe rule - Fifty-Move Rule. If either player makes 50 consecutive moves without moving a pawn or making a capture (irreversible moves), either player may claim a draw. If neither player claims the draw, play continues (either player may still lose on time).
Draw by Repetition. If the same position occurs 3 times (not necessarily on consecutive moves) with the same player to move, either player may point this out and claim a draw. If neither player claims the draw, play continues (either player may still lose on time).
Stalemate. If a player has no legal moves on his/her turn, but is not in check, the game is over and the result is a draw.
It's not technically a stalemate but it's going to be very difficult to force the black king into a checkmate. I'd give up and offer a draw :)
Would you throw away the rook for a draw?
1/2 Point for a Draw
I Point your opponent resigns
2 points Checkmate
Unless the rules on points have changed that's how I remember it from a long time ago
Any how is this a timed game? A proper game or just a normal game?
Hakahura
10-22-07, 12:07 PM
I never said it was easy.....
But it is do-able.
Worth trying.
After all if your playing white, the worst that can happen is a draw.
Hakahura
10-22-07, 12:11 PM
Did someone remove a post?
I'm sure someone posted before my solution, that checkmate was impossible.
Hakahura
10-22-07, 12:18 PM
Here's how to manover black into the corner.
http://www.chesskids.com/level2/cl5l7.htm
Used to play chess a lot when I was a kid, sure I remember finishing and being finished like this.
goldorak
10-22-07, 01:22 PM
A final King + rook vs King is always a win if you play correctly.
Draw by Repetition. If the same position occurs 3 times (not necessarily on consecutive moves) with the same player to move, either player may point this out and claim a draw. If neither player claims the draw, play continues (either player may still lose on time).
This is a good rule...
RickC Sniper
10-22-07, 02:17 PM
Hakahura that is a good website.
This isn't a difficult ending. Drive the black king to the edge of the board and once there drive it to a corner.
Here is how to win, this is the little-known T72 strategic reserve gambit:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/AlanBradbury/T72.jpg
:D Chock
You could always try random weapon searches on the black pieces when ever they go outside.* (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123867)
;)
White's next turn should be Ra5-d5 imho. Black must retreat towards the corner and you can do the closing of the prison that Hakahura's link describes. Just keep inching in your rook as long as it cannot be captured or is covered by your king.
Skybird
10-22-07, 03:41 PM
King and Rook versus King is a well-known 100% win. Why the discussion?
For example:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5197/snap0014mi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Here is how to win, this is the little-known T72 strategic reserve gambit:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/AlanBradbury/T72.jpg
:D Chock
Not if he's got a couple of T90's waiting for that one. :lol:
http://www.battletanks.com/images/T-90.jpg
Hakahura
10-22-07, 03:51 PM
King and Rook versus King is a well-known 100% win. Why the discussion?
Because TteFAboB asked a perfectly reasonable question.
Skybird
10-22-07, 04:11 PM
King and Rook versus King is a well-known 100% win. Why the discussion?
Because TteFAboB asked a perfectly reasonable question.
A discussion instead of one sufficient answer that would have been enough? That's true European spirit! :lol:
I was about the long thread, not about the starting question. If he is a rookiein chess it is perfectly legal and clever to ask questions.
TteFAboB
10-23-07, 05:54 AM
Thanks for the help guys. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any tanks, so I had to go ahead and pressed the big red button, nuking the board.
No, the game wasn't timed because Chess Titans doesn't give you that option...:) But at least one of the rules SUBMAN posted seem to apply, as when I was about to make the last move to put an end to the waltzing the game ended in a draw. Too many useless moves, I suppose.
The thing is I couldn't get the prison thing to work because I'd keep close to the black king, attempting to lock him down already, then he'd just move aggressivey towards the Rook to push it away. With more patience and with my king blocking his moves I finally managed to imprison him, following Hakahura's children guide and Skybird's overkill move list.
:up:
Hakahura
10-23-07, 06:01 AM
Your welcome.
Oh Skybird.....
I'M NOT EUROPEAN!
I'm British, there is still a difference.
Skybird
10-23-07, 06:37 AM
Thanks for the help guys. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any tanks, so I had to go ahead and pressed the big red button, nuking the board.
No, the game wasn't timed because Chess Titans doesn't give you that option...:) But at least one of the rules SUBMAN posted seem to apply, as when I was about to make the last move to put an end to the waltzing the game ended in a draw. Too many useless moves, I suppose.
The thing is I couldn't get the prison thing to work because I'd keep close to the black king, attempting to lock him down already, then he'd just move aggressivey towards the Rook to push it away. With more patience and with my king blocking his moves I finally managed to imprison him, following Hakahura's children guide and Skybird's overkill move list.
:up:
Key is to delay tempos (the Rook can reach a far away field not in just one straight move, but in two or three or four, if you wish, bringing the oponnent's king into need to make an unfavourable move!), and king's close (and eventually distant) opposition. check that first "overkill move" list :lol: carefully, it was how the computer played it, since I wanted a move list fast, and do not consider the constellation to be a problem.
And this is how i for example played it, fast and on the fly, to illustrate to you the use of winning tempos by king's opposition:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4173/snap0015au6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Note that I lost a move in the early moves.
Skybird
10-23-07, 06:44 AM
Your welcome.
Oh Skybird.....
I'M NOT EUROPEAN!
I'm British, there is still a difference.
Yes, the British take the lead in PC madness, and the rest of europe is following them! :lol:
anyway, I did not meant it that serious, and just was referring to Europe as a joke. I thought you were Japanese. :p
Hakahura
10-23-07, 11:18 AM
Ah Japan:p
Home of the finest motorbikes in the world:up:
Ah Japan:p
Home of the finest motorbikes in the world:up:
And speak your weight toilets as they check your health.
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