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Koondawg
10-18-07, 06:19 AM
im curious...seen alot of skins with rust, look like they are about one patrol away from splitting apart...
then again the nice clean paints that look like a new boat...
Which do you captain...and why
New bacause real subs never got as rusty as some skins show.
Woof1701
10-18-07, 07:24 AM
I prefer skins were the boat maybe looked slightly used and not as if it just came out of the wharf. Some skins show a little rust around the flood holes. That looks pretty nice.
New bacause real subs never got as rusty as some skins show.
Agreed. I think most of that 'rusty' photos were taken long after the war ended.
slow_n_ez
10-18-07, 09:34 AM
I never been in the navy but I seriously doubt when the boat is at port for re-stock that the crew was given a 2 week leave to go on a drinking spree as you see in movies ......
Plus I doubt that Hitler ( or any other country's leader ) would appreiciate their war machines looking like something from a junk yard ......
nikbear
10-18-07, 10:38 AM
Personally,I like a little bit of rust in the early war years(even new or just painted stuff soon rusts in a sea enviroment)and a bit more signs of use in the later war years as man power diminished and allied air raids took their toll on normal kriegsmarine efficiency and supplies;) :up:
I would expect MY boat in a fresh camo scheme and always to be in perfect combat readiness condition.
But all those other boat I see in the harbor or in the open sea are likely to be rusty and "used"... :arrgh!:
If I understand it right, the skin must be for all subs of the same type the same?
OK, I hope all the other commanders are up to my standard ;), let all boats be clean and freshly painted!
I voted rusty. And i still vote for rusted, weathered, rawaged by depth charges and totally USED skin witch depth charged story. Rusted skin looks more realistic than fresh painted one.;)
mrbeast
10-18-07, 04:33 PM
I never been in the navy but I seriously doubt when the boat is at port for re-stock that the crew was given a 2 week leave to go on a drinking spree as you see in movies ......
Plus I doubt that Hitler ( or any other country's leader ) would appreiciate their war machines looking like something from a junk yard ......
Crew did indeed spend most of their time after a patrol 'enjoing' themselves. They would be celebrating the fact that they had survived and living life to the full for the few weeks leave they got till the next patrol which might be their last! Refits were not carried out by the crew in the case of the KM U boats were taken in hand by work men and dock fitters and in the USN an entire 'relief crew' would take over the boat when it came back in port.
U boats like any other military vehicles are simply machines and as such their appearance in wartime was only of interest as far as it affected their combat effectiveness. Therefore rust was only a problem if began to damage the boat or it affected the ability of its camoflage to hide it.
I've never served in the navy, but I have a good friend who served 23 years in the RN. According to him the condition of a vessel can depend on many factors. The quality of paint and the ability of those who apply it and maintain it. The length of time a vessel spends on patrol and between refits. The weather conditions it encounters. Where its sent and during wartime what sort of enemy action it encounters. Some vessels can appear in a very sorry state, others can be in very good condition and all shades in between. So really all of the rusty skins are just as accurate as the clean ones.
nikbear
10-18-07, 04:58 PM
Exactly my thinking mrbeast:yep: I've always been of the opinion that in war time certain jobs will get done and sometimes not,towards the end of the war I doubt very much if giving a U-boat a fresh lick of paint came very high on the agender and I dare say supply always outstripped demand,a fine balance is whats required:up: healthy maintanance Vs good old wear and tear;)
Sailor Steve
10-18-07, 07:59 PM
I voted Rusty. In peacetime or in rear areas the crew can be put to work painting a surface ship, but on a submarine the parts that need the most attention would always have water flowing over and around. In port I'm sure if the boat was getting a major overhaul things would be repainted, but how do you do that at sea in a war zone?
Hartmann
10-18-07, 09:40 PM
New or light rust.
In wartime the only thing that you need is a group of prisoners of war or foreign workers and fresh paint.
also a lot of work could be inside of the boat so exteriors can be painted easily, except in case of external damage.
Look the shine on the bow of this uboat :sunny:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8950/newboatdq4.jpg
Wolfehunter
10-18-07, 09:57 PM
I've seen a visited a few destroyers in my time and they seem to be nicely painted even to hide the rust. They did keep there boats maintained. So I say release both. Weathered and new! This way everybodys is happy. I like new boats. Too bad the game doesn't rust the boats during patrols. Now that would be an interesting mod?:hmm:
Hi!
I assume the dockyard workers can take a few hours to chip and paint the hull of my U-boat before departure, so I use the freshly painted look. IRL there was (and is) no point in exposing more steel to corrosion than is absolutely necessary. You might find a few poorly maintained merchant ships with that scuzzy look, but not a man o'war.
Pablo
baggygreen
10-19-07, 01:06 AM
New or light rust.
In wartime the only thing that you need is a group of prisoners of war or foreign workers and fresh paint.
No thanks mate! Last thing i'd want is POWs or untrustworthy people working on my premier offensive weapon!!!!!
They say in the Russian navy If you see anything that moves then solute to it, if you see anything that doesn't then paint it. I hardly belive that German requirement to accuracy was lower. Actually, ships in the begining of their mission should be freshly painted, while being rusty on return due to sea invironment. Thus, some fresh rust near holes while other parts freshly painted should be the most realistic variant.
funkmaat
10-19-07, 06:30 AM
Did you see the state of the Ark Royal on the way to the Falklands/Malvinas?:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
10-19-07, 11:30 AM
A little bit rust never went amiss :hmm:
mrbeast
10-19-07, 02:56 PM
Did you see the state of the Ark Royal on the way to the Falklands/Malvinas?:arrgh!:
The Task Force that recaptured the Falklands is a very good example. They left port (for the most part) in imaculate peacetime paint and returned looking very rusty and battered. The rough winter seas of the the south atlantic really took their toll on the ships.
Adriatico
10-19-07, 04:24 PM
It is not that simple...rusty or not rusty.
Sea weathering on metal surface is :
-salt and iodium color damage
-biological (alge) crusts
-rust
...and it is not that simple to re-paint in port, it takes hard work to "cure" the base surface before repainting (last thing that somebody will do in bombed hangars)
Weathered subs died silently in a far away corners of ocean without photographers and any possibility of remaining documents...
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8026/wh1nm9.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6766/whgk4.jpg
I always use my old Type VII repaint which I posted on here years ago, with some rust, it's kind of more battered than rusted:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/AlanBradbury/U-89.jpg
:D Chock
mrbeast
10-19-07, 05:16 PM
Further to this; was watching a docu on Discovery Channel earlier which showed HMS Swiftsure the modern SSN. She looked in a pretty rough condition, missing acustic tiles, patches of rust and what looked like green algae growing on her bows. Plus the usual encrustations of salt etc. So even in peacetime subs can look pretty scruffy. I was surprised how poor her condition was, I presume she was due for a refit not long after the program was made.
Jimbuna
10-19-07, 05:30 PM
Launched in 1971, decommissioned in 1992 :yep:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Swiftsure_%28S126%29
Hartmann
10-19-07, 07:15 PM
New or light rust.
In wartime the only thing that you need is a group of prisoners of war or foreign workers and fresh paint.
No thanks mate! Last thing i'd want is POWs or untrustworthy people working on my premier offensive weapon!!!!!
SH3 commander sabotage and malfunctions option ON !!:rotfl:
MackTheGovnah
10-20-07, 04:25 AM
When a U-boat returned from patrol it was scraped and repainted while the crew was on leave and the u-boat was in dock, simple as that:D
Read the book "Black May". In it there are excerpts from captured U-boat men who were imprisoned with members of the other branches of the German armed services. This was done to extract information that was not possible from interrogations. For instance a planesman would be put in a cell with a captured luft pilot. They would share stories and information and all the while the room was tapped with hidden mics to pick up the information.
The pictures you see of rusty U-boats are of those that have been at sea for several weeks and endured the elements. 10 weeks at sea will do that to any ship. Uboats did not leave port looking like rusted out hulks.:arrgh!:
New bacause real subs never got as rusty as some skins show.
same here...
Sailor Steve
10-30-07, 06:10 PM
I always use my old Type VII repaint which I posted on here years ago, with some rust, it's kind of more battered than rusted:
Chock, I always liked that skin as well, mainly because it has the sunken metal between the frames. I can't show a picture from my old DD right now, but her fantail had the same sinking effect. That's why we always called the Brinkley Bass "Wrinkley @$$".
I wish some of the camo mods had that as well.
Light to medium rust - as we donīt have a dinamic "rust" over the uboats in game for the same patrol or even through the years. Light rust for the first years, medium for the last years of war.
Fresh painted ones are only good for departure purposes to get the attention of that nurses and burocratic officers on the pier, for sure after few days at sea the uboats had a more light to medium rust appearence.:up:
Adriatico
10-31-07, 11:44 AM
That's right Rubini,
99% of photo reference is made in occasions of happy times: port, propaganda or simply calm patrol conditions...
In a later war time:
- No journalist would join "last action hero" long-range patrols
- Nobody would make a "photo session" in Atlantic under Allieed arial coverage
- No reporters would join semi-suicidal patrol in 1943... and last thing that Captain would embark in bombed hangar is photographer
Last-action dramatic patrols, simply do not have visual documents... especially not clear-profile photos of subs, in a desperate attempt to inflict some heroic strike against Allied tide... in a far away corner of ocean.
CapZap1970
11-03-07, 08:42 AM
New paint for me, please. ;)
CapZap
Adriatico wrote
It is not that simple...rusty or not rusty.
Sea weathering on metal surface is :
-salt and iodium color damage
-biological (alge) crusts
-rust
...and it is not that simple to re-paint in port, it takes hard work to "cure" the base surface before repainting (last thing that somebody will do in bombed hangars)
Weathered subs died silently in a far away corners of ocean without photographers and any possibility of remaining documents...
Funkmaat wrote
Did you see the state of the Ark Royal on the way to the Falklands/Malvinas?:arrgh!:
...... and back
:yep: :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep:
I like to vary the skins during patrol (using jsgme) starting with a nice fubar das boot,fubars(king of skins)u552 ending in stock skin from .dat file from original game,resulting in new,mid-rust and battered.:arrgh!: :arrgh!:
New bacause real subs never got as rusty as some skins show.
Yeah - because sadly- most of them didnt survive long enough to get rusty! :dead:
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