Bush profanity outrage

[Von Tonner]

Fall out from the taser, Kerry, Meyer debacle. Though I am an ardent supporter of freedom of speech it does have its limits - the editor must go.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=321173&area=/insight/insight__international/

[SUBMAN1]

I agree. Dropping that on your coffee table for your children to see.....

-S

[Tchocky]

I agree. Dropping that on your coffee table for your children to see.....

-S

Which is the prime concern of a student newspaper :p

[Jimbuna]

A good example of overstepping the mark :yep:

Funny how politicians are allowed to get away with it though :nope:

[DeepIron]

The end of the story is that he didn't get sacked... (The reviewing committee held up the First Amendment Rights! Yay!) but admonished the editor that the article was in poor taste, etc...

[Jimbuna]

Good for them....however, that could cost them in advertising revenue :hmm:

[antikristuseke]

Anyone have a link to the article for which this headline was for?
It seems to be in bad taste, but id need to read the article to see if it was justified to some degree or not.

[SUBMAN1]

I agree. Dropping that on your coffee table for your children to see.....

-S
Which is the prime concern of a student newspaper :p

And it should be. I don't consider lack of age and experience to be an excuse for a poor job. If you are in a position, you should know how to handle that position, or face the consequences for screwing up.

-S

[3Jane]

I say it every day, so far I haven't seen a drop in my income. But there again, I am self employed. :p

[TteFAboB]

**** 20 year olds and college newspapers.

Don't worry, I'm just aiming to provoke a debate on freedom of speech. You can get away with anything if you persuade the others that you're on the good side.

[Sailor Steve]

"The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them."
-Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787.

[sunvalleyslim]

I agree. Dropping that on your coffee table for your children to see.....

-S
Which is the prime concern of a student newspaper :p
And it should be. I don't consider lack of age and experience to be an excuse for a poor job. If you are in a position, you should know how to handle that position, or face the consequences for screwing up.

-S

Chock one up for you Subman1, I should reconsider my opinion.............of some of your posts.................Respectfully. Sunvalleyslim

[The Avon Lady]

"The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them."
-Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787.
All very nice and dandy except that Jefferson also intended for newspaper owners to NOT say what they don't want to. This paper is not owned by the student editor but by some formation between the college and the campus student organization. Like most any paper, they have the rights to create their own publishing guidelines. They did and this editor violated them.

TJ wouldn't have had a problem with this. Why do you? :hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

There are other ways of getting a debate going other than dropping the F bomb on the front cover of a newspaper.

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University authorities in Colorado are to decide the fate of a student editor who published a huge “******* Bush” headline.

I say give him six of the best then another six of the best.

[AVGWarhawk]

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University authorities in Colorado are to decide the fate of a student editor who published a huge “******* Bush” headline.
I say give him six of the best then another six of the best.


The university authorities will drop him like a bad habit. When you start losing big bucks from your sponsors, you will be shown the exit in short order.

[Sailor Steve]

All very nice and dandy except that Jefferson also intended for newspaper owners to NOT say what they don't want to. This paper is not owned by the student editor but by some formation between the college and the campus student organization. Like most any paper, they have the rights to create their own publishing guidelines. They did and this editor violated them.

TJ wouldn't have had a problem with this. Why do you? :hmm:
I don't have a problem with it. I was just commenting on TteFAboB's remark about freedom of speech.

I agree: if you work for someone, it's their call.

[quick edit] No, actually I was misunderstanding the obvious, and looked up a quote about governments and the press. You're right, but I really don't have a problem with it.

[waste gate]

I'm conflicted on this issue. The press, however modest it is in this case, should be free and is protected from government influence. That being said, with freedom comes responsibility. I believe Mr. David McSwane was irresponsible in his use of his freedom. Because of that he should have been dismissed. To do otherwise opens the floodgates to other irresponsible behavior.

[Ducimus]

There are other ways of getting a debate going other than dropping the F bomb on the front cover of a newspaper.

I know im probably the only one who feels this way, but i think the "F bomb" is overhyped in terms of getting a point accross. I have an uncle whos an editor of a major news paper, and i recall this conversation He and I got into about language one day. I dont know how it started, but he wrote a few words down on a piece of paper and asked for my reaction or how clear the point was to me.

Then he wrote down "ye old F bomb" and asked me again. During this time it struck me odd how this articulate and well educated man who started in newspapers from being the printing press and worked his way up to editor would "stoop down" to use such a word, but in the end i saw his point. If you want to get a point across strongly, few things are as effective as a word like ****. In the end its not the word itself, but the context behind it. The choice of word is only a means of how strongly you deliver your point.

[The Avon Lady]

There are other ways of getting a debate going other than dropping the F bomb on the front cover of a newspaper.

I know im probably the only one who feels this way, but i think the "F bomb" is overhyped in terms of getting a point accross. I have an uncle whos an editor of a major news paper, and i recall this conversation He and I got into about language one day. I dont know how it started, but he wrote a few words down on a piece of paper and asked for my reaction or how clear the point was to me.

Then he wrote down "ye old F bomb" and asked me again. During this time it struck me odd how this articulate and well educated man who started in newspapers from being the printing press and worked his way up to editor would "stoop down" to use such a word, but in the end i saw his point. If you want to get a point across strongly, few things are as effective as a word like ****. In the end its not the word itself, but the context behind it. The choice of word is only a means of how strongly you deliver your point.
Wake me up when established media sources begin to print their articles using hip-hop or gangsta-rap language.

:nope:

[Ducimus]

Hip hop or gansta like languages, or "Eubonics" are not relevant at all. Profanity has existed long before these urbanized atrocities in the english language took place. However, like it or not, language does change from generation to generation. For proof of that, all one has to do is examine the language used in the american civil war via letters written to loved ones, and compare and contrast that to languge used in 1920's, 1930's era, to language used today.

[P_Funk]

The university authorities will drop him like a bad habit. When you start losing big bucks from your sponsors, you will be shown the exit in short order.
And I believe that points to another serious issue with news media.

[The Avon Lady]

Hip hop or gansta like languages, or "Eubonics" are not relevant at all. Profanity has existed long before these urbanized atrocities in the english language took place.
Who said otherwise? I was referring to the common usage of profanity via distributed professional publications, such as newspapers.

[The Avon Lady]

The university authorities will drop him like a bad habit. When you start losing big bucks from your sponsors, you will be shown the exit in short order.
And I believe that points to another serious issue with news media.
That goes both ways. Income can be lost (or gained! ) for both telling the truth or for speading rubbish.

At the end of the day, it is the people who will decide what they prefer to think what they're reading. In an open economy, a newspaper with a high subscription rate will continue to sell ads, whether slanted or not, no less than other papers with similar circulation numbers.

[Von Tonner]

The university authorities will drop him like a bad habit. When you start losing big bucks from your sponsors, you will be shown the exit in short order. And I believe that points to another serious issue with news media. That goes both ways. Income can be lost (or gained! ) for both telling the truth or for speading rubbish.

At the end of the day, it is the people who will decide what they prefer to think what they're reading. In an open economy, a newspaper with a high subscription rate will continue to sell ads, whether slanted or not, no less than other papers with similar circulation numbers.

Well he has kept his job but the entire staff of the newspaper have taken a 10% drop in salary to compensate for the loss in advertising revenue. Wonder how they feel about that unless it was a defiant show of soladarity for him.

[Jimbuna]

Well he has kept his job but the entire staff of the newspaper have taken a 10% drop in salary to compensate for the loss in advertising revenue. Wonder how they feel about that unless it was a defiant show of soladarity for him.

Let us hope it was solidarity and that the 10% cut is reinstated the minute advertising revenue picks up :yep: