Vista Is The Black Plague Of SH4

[Krauter]

Hi all,

As per recomendation, I have started a post about something very troubling..

Reading a post, I see someone mention the fact that you can tweak the files on your submarines .cfg files to alter the depth it can dive at.. now, I've found the files and every thing else, altered them with Notebook, come Save time, it says I am unable to do so as I don't have the correct path (wich is the same file name im altering). Now in a few PMs, it was mentioned that the dreaded Vista, may be the culprit on me being unable to alter the files, (much like the time I had to observe every file on my computer for my screenies.)

Is there a solution, and if so, what may it be?

Thanks in advance for your posts,

Krauter

[Powerthighs]

Krauter,

Yes it is Vista, and there is a solution.

Vista by default does not let normal Administrative users write files under the Program Files directory. However, in order to keep applications that used to do this from breaking, it will redirect writes in this directory silently to another path somewhere else (can't remember exactly where off the top of my head).

To fix this, open notepad by right-clicking the shortcut and selecting "run elevated". This will make the silent redirection not apply to notepad during its lifetime. Then open the file you want to edit in that instance of notepad and it should save fine.

[Krauter]

Aye Sir, at the moment I am not on my normal computer (babysitting:o )..
So I will have to get back to you on what happens. Thank you so very much for the quick reply..

Best of Hunting,

Krauter

P.S (Honestly.. They really should have a game that is compatible with different types of computers and such..

[sqk7744]

Thanks Powerthighs! (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=230801)

:up:

[mrbeast]

Is it me or is Vista becoming a real pain in the backside?! I've heard a lot of bad things about it and even heard that many of the functions that Vista boasts can already be used on XP!

Thankfully I'm an XP user at the moment but I'm dreading the day I have to upgrade to a new system and have to have Vista. In fact I'm thinking I might get someone to rebuild my current system so I can keep my HD and not have to use Vista, just change to a better mother board, proccessor etc. But thats a year or so off yet I think.

[Redwine]

MS anounced a free "downgrade" patch to convert Vista OS into W XP SP2 OS.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internet/Microsoft/da/via/libre/XP/elpeputec/20070924elpepunet_2/Tes

Stay alert for that...

[seafarer]

I'd say the easiest solution to the OP's problem is to install all your software into any folder OTHER than "program files". I have SHiV and SHIII in a "games" directory in my user area. This completely bypasses Vista's UAC limitations. Mods and editing work just as they did under XP, with no permission problems.

Other then the couple of tools that came with my PC (eg. DVD/CD burner app), I have not installed anything into "program files" - it's all in my user area, or in a "C:\applications" directory. You could also disable UAC from the control panel, but that may mess up OS updates and such, so it's easier to bypass UAC's obnoxious user-level intervention by not using "program files" for your apps.

[Vlad34]

Windows Vista is the "Black Plague" to most games and software. Two of my friends have it and they are so hating life right now it's laughable. Everything that they ran fine on XP is somehow tanked because of Vista! I am avoiding Vista until it becomes a mandatory upgrade. By rule of thumb you should really wait a year, perhaps even two before upgrading on a Microsoft product. Remember when Windows XP came out? Very buggy too, but give them time (A LOT of time) and they will eventually get it close to right. Nothing says "I hate you" like giving someone Windows Vista as a gift!:D

[mrbeast]

The truth of the matter is that Microsoft relys on a bunch of people buying a new windows and finding its all buggy, to track down all the glitches and duff features so that they can correct it for later releases. So in effect people who went out and bought Vista when it was released were paying Microsoft for the privelege of ironing out the bugs in their operating system which should have been done before it was released in the first place! :damn:

Thats users paying Microsoft to work for them rather than the other way round.....now you know why Bill Gates is just about the richest individual on the planet!

I wouldn't touch any new Windows for at least a year after it was released if I didn't have to. Having said that I think Vista is a bit of a dud anyway.

[EDIT that is allegedly....don't want to get sued by Microsoft......I love Windows XP!:yep: ]

[Canonicus]

Sounds like Vista's NOT the problem here...but someone who doesn't fully understand how to make it work.

But if Vista bashing is all the rage..by all means!

Not me...I've never had ONE problem running SH4 with Vista Home Premium...Not one that can be OS related, that is!
Only the "normal" CTD's directly the responsibility of the unstable...beta-when-released SH4 programming. :yep:

[Krauter]

Sounds like Vista's NOT the problem here...but someone who doesn't fully understand how to make it work.

Then by all means, answer the question so I may get rid of my tiresome troubles.

With Regards,

Krauter

[SteamWake]

Vista !... hisses and backpeddles and makes a cross with his fingers....

Give it a couple of months. Supprisingly the hardware manufacturers got caught off guard and dont have capable drivers yet.

I guess the folks at M$ dont tell the hardware people whats comming :hmm:

In the long run its probably a good stratigy for both of them. M$ sells a news OS and the hardware folks get to press a hole new plethora of .... well... new hardware.

[edit] bad spelling.

[Canonicus]

Sure....Try this, Krauter and see if it solves the problem...

Disable the UAC (User Account Control) feature in Vista.

Not sure what that does...
Look here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control)

[Krauter]

Sure....Try this, Krauter and see if it solves the problem...

Disable the UAC (User Account Control) feature in Vista.

Not sure what that does...
Look here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control)

Aye sir,

Not meaning to start anything nor to "snap". It's just as most every one whose had Vista will probably state, I'm having problems and it's frustration, even more so when I hear indications that I cant manage my own PC. (Again, apologies if taken as offensive). The link you posted was most insightful, however at the moment I am still not on my SH4 computer.

With Regards,

Krauter

[Krauter]

I'd say the easiest solution to the OP's problem is to install all your software into any folder OTHER than "program files". I have SHiV and SHIII in a "games" directory in my user area. This completely bypasses Vista's UAC limitations. Mods and editing work just as they did under XP, with no permission problems.

Other then the couple of tools that came with my PC (eg. DVD/CD burner app), I have not installed anything into "program files" - it's all in my user area, or in a "C:\applications" directory. You could also disable UAC from the control panel, but that may mess up OS updates and such, so it's easier to bypass UAC's obnoxious user-level intervention by not using "program files" for your apps.

Hey,

May I ask how you install a program into your "Games" directory, and not your "Program Files"? If this will indeed end Vistas meddling, it will help alot.

Thank you in advance for all posts helpfull or not.

Krauter

[Marko_Ramius]

Hi,

I'm not a Vista user yet, but i presume you can create a folder, name it like you want ( "MyGames", for exemple). When installing a game, the installer will prompt you and ask where you want to install it. You can, here, type the path of your choice ( for exemple : C:\MyGames\****SH4 ).



May i ask why it should be a so big problem to disable UAC ?? This feature seems to be the culprit in a lot of problem i can hear. At last in gaming circle ..

[sqk7744]

The truth of the matter is that Microsoft relys on a bunch of people buying a new windows and finding its all buggy, to track down all the glitches and duff features so that they can correct it for later releases. So in effect people who went out and bought Vista when it was released were paying Microsoft for the privelege of ironing out the bugs in their operating system which should have been done before it was released in the first place! :damn:

Thats users paying Microsoft to work for them rather than the other way round.....now you know why Bill Gates is just about the richest individual on the planet!

I wouldn't touch any new Windows for at least a year after it was released if I didn't have to. Having said that I think Vista is a bit of a dud anyway.

[EDIT that is allegedly....don't want to get sued by Microsoft......I love Windows XP!:yep: ]

AMEN mrbeast!

After 12 years as consumer and quality control, -its getting a little old. ;)

[seafarer]

Krauter - as Marco_Ramius mentions, just alter the default install path (when the installer gets to that point) to whatever directory you want. You don't even need to create the directory beforehand, as the installer will create it if it does not already exist. This is the same behaviour as installers in XP, btw.

Marco_Ramius - disabling UAC from the control panel would fix the issues with SHIV (ie. issues with patches not taking and such), but it may also mess up OS updates and security patches, so it's easier to bypass it then to outright disable it (which, since it is so easily bypassed, does just show how lame the implementation of this "feature" is).

Krauter, if you reinstall, after uninstalling SHIV (use the Control Panel - "Program and Features" to do that), go into your user directory and enable hidden folders in the view options (under the menu Tools -> Folder Options ->View tab). Delete the SHIV folder in "AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files". Now, re-install SHIV but put it in the folder of your choice, just so long as it is NOT the default "Program files" folder.

P.S. I'm not posting anything new either - all of this information was posted long ago by earlier Vista users then I, in the SHIII forums, and it's in these SHIV forums as well. My SHIII (GWX 1.03+SH3 COmmander) and SHIV (+ JSGME and mods) all run fine this way under Vista - no issues at all.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

Is there a solution, and if so, what may it be?
Krauter

yup, get XP:ping:

[Vlad34]

Is there a solution, and if so, what may it be?
Krauter

yup, get XP:ping:

Doesn't get any plainer than that...:yep:

[longam]

There is a local policy u can set to turn off the nag but leave UAC on.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/06/dont_shut_off_v.html

[Krauter]

Well, I've tried the uninstall, set into a dif, directorie, worked fair enough, i can now save, but they don't take effect, even worse.. Im stuck using the stock SH4! I've downloaded the 1.3 patch, it says no current version exists and that it cant patch over something that doesnt exist..

With Furor..

Krauter

P.S I downloaded from Ubisoft

[seafarer]

And you deleted the hidden directory I mentioned a few posts back? You have to get rid of the hidden remnants of your default install in the AppData directory too, BEFORE you reinstall into a directory of your choice.

If you did do that, then I'm not sure what is happening, as SHIV, with patches and mods, works on my Vista Home Premium setup.

:hmm: :hmm:

P.S. also very important to uninstall from the control panel tool - else you'll need to edit your registry by hand before reinstalling.

[Krauter]

And you deleted the hidden directory I mentioned a few posts back? You have to get rid of the hidden remnants of your default install in the AppData directory too, BEFORE you reinstall into a directory of your choice.

If you did do that, then I'm not sure what is happening, as SHIV, with patches and mods, works on my Vista Home Premium setup.

:hmm: :hmm:

P.S. also very important to uninstall from the control panel tool - else you'll need to edit your registry by hand before reinstalling.

Aye sir, I could not find the AppsData directory in my file folders for a while, searched it, and found it, however the piece to "Enable hidden """ " i did not do.. I also un-installed with the control panel, installed in a seperate directory, however the game works, I can only use v.1.0:o

With Respect,

Krauter

[dean_acheson]

thanks, I'd been having this pop up from time to time, and was using a way long work around for it...

[navyvet]

I have been reading about all the problems with Vista with some concern. When IBought my computer last year it came with X p. I had a crash and had to format and reload. Gateway sent me Vista Home Premium free. Deceided to try it. Only game that had a problem was SH 4. I tried a lot of the good ideas and failed to resolve the problems until today, my third day of working on it. I loaded into the program files which is default. SH 4 did't load an icon. I went into my program files and found the exe file. I right clicked and told it to run as adminstrator, then to desk top. I loaded the update with no trouble and it ran fine. I loaded jsgme and again did a right click and told it to run as adminstrator.I found the game to run fine. I took the three tru mods and had rar open them in my documents and copied and pasted them. It didn't seem to work extracting into the Mod folder. Copy and paste worked. Ran jsgme and applied the mods. The game worked fine. Ran pungo pete long enough to save the game. I now can click on my Sh4 icon and run the game without the disk. I am not a computer wizard but an old navyvet that got forced to go with Vista and was't going to let beat me.{I almost gave up and put XP back on} I kind of like it now. I hope this helps any other sailors out there hating Vista.

[StandingCow]

Seems to me that vista was made more friendly to the not so PC knowledgeable people.

It seems to want to take control of everything... I am happy with XP and will keep it until it is no longer viable.

[-Pv-]

The MS downgrade to XP from Vista is not new. MS has been offering this from day one.

No doubt MS has a long way to go to make Vista popular. I expect a lot to change in the 1st service pack (I never buy a MS OS until SP1.) In the mean time, the end-of-life SP3 for XP (which will probably make it the 1st perfect OS MS has ever created) is in work. Well not perfect, but how close can you get?

There's an interesting slide show Ziff Davis site put out bashing Vista. Usually computer interest/training publishers get behind new OSes because they markedly increase sales of support related/QA books and mags.

I certainly won't be changing until the software I want to run is no longer available for XP and that isn't going to happen for a very long time. The more I use Vista at work, the less I like it.

On the subject of drivers, it isn't Vista that caught hardware driver programmers off guard. Vista betas were available for a very long time. One of the main purposes was to allow driver makers to develop and test for Vista. Can't blame MS for that. Vista was most of two years behind on release and still was a problem for drivers, but that is the history of the undustry since 98 not just Vista. Plenty of time for programmers to get on board. Pretty hard though to ruggedly test drivers for a new platform almost no one has while game develpers are pushing the demand for driver refinements for existing hardware/Os's at lightning speed.
-Pv-

[rcjonessnp175]

Vista is working great for me, I have Uac turned off, and also tweaked alot of useless services/process. No problems with any of my games. Vista is day and night compared to when i was gaming when i left for iraq, now with this new laptop and gaming with vista is alot better, make sure u have all the hotfixes, thats what fixed me up.:up::up: