Cliffs of Dover: IL2 Sturmovik

[Dowly]

This was in my inbox today:

Hi virtual pilots!

With the recent announcement that 1C has dropped further development of IL2 Cliffs of Dover, a group of talented programmers and modders called "Team Fusion" have been steadily working on future developments. The 1st internal test version for release candidate 1 is now under full internal testing.

Some of the bug fixes include:

- Flight model correction and the atmospheric engine fixed - This includes historically correct flight models and the high altitude bug being squashed. You will now be able to fly at proper altitudes.

- MP contrails are now visible by every pilot

- Bringing back the original look of weathering and reflections. This also includes the introduction of cockpit glass and cockpit gauge reflections. Depending on sunlight conditions the glass in your cockpit may even have cloud reflections.

- The in-game prop reflections have been greatly improved

- a new device link interface that allows all you virtual pilots with sim pits the ability for device link via IL2 Cliffs of Dover. This has been programmed so ONLY the instruments you have in the particular aircraft you are flying will register with Device link. This has been done to prevent any sort of exploitation of the system

- Numerous bug fixes to various attributes of the aircraft. This includes fixes such as the way fuel delivery works (tank to tank to engine) to incorrect placement of gauges all based on historical accuracy.

- Seasonal map changes of the English Channel map - This includes the standard English Channel Summer map with greatly improved textures, to an Autumn, and Winter versions of the same map

With that said, the 1st patch will focus on what we believe is the most glaring issue of the sim - the flight models. Once we are happy with the accuracy of all aircraft flight models, we will be purging ahead with many other bug fixes and additional content.

The ongoing progress can be seen here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?93-General-Discussion

Thank you,

Team Fusion

[Herr-Berbunch]

Jolly good, Team Fusion :up:

[Arclight]

Indeed, good show. :yep:

[TarJak]

Anyone know the max. flight times with different fuel loadouts for the 109? :hmmm:

I normally fly in ATAG and II/JG53 sorties with 60% fuel and depending on what action you see and how you manage your trim and cruise you should be good for about an hour with that. If you take bombs then you'll need more fuel or less action.

If you crank it to 70% fuel you can last for up to an hour and a half if you are mostly cruising. How you fly has a great deal to do with your fuel usage. If you hit heavy action, then you get much less flight time.

[GSpector]

Gee Dowly, could there possibly be better news you could post? I think not. :yeah:

[Oberon]

Very interesting news, I hope that Team Fusion can succeed in its goals. :yep:

[TarJak]

Knowing some of the people involved it's going to be a quality build. I've tested a few of the mods and they make a big difference to the game.

[flatsixes]

Gee, that message from Team Fusion shows great promise. I may even go out an buy CoD in anticipation.
Question: Am I correct in assuming CoD require a much more powerful rig than Il-2? My old rig runs IL-2 very well, but chokes on Rise of Flight when things get busy. (Upgrade planned, but I'm still about 25% short for what I'm building.)

Thanks!

[Oberon]

^
Yes, CloD is a heavy hitter, it's better now than it was, but upgrade anyway because if it struggles with ROF, it'll tank on CloD.



In other news:

http://vimeo.com/57880735

:up:

[flatsixes]

Thanks. I thought as much. I've collected $625 towards a new system (and all of it in gift cards, too. Yeah, I've been married for a while.) I'll jump when I get it to $900, and then fund whatever else is need by selling one of the kids. But it better happen soon, though, because kids don't hold their value like they used to. :wah:

[Oberon]

Ladies and Gents

http://vimeo.com/60197559#at=0

http://vimeo.com/58826952

Two promising developments in CloD history. ATAG have gotten under the hood of CloD and are doing some excellent work on making this game something closer to what we expected from it.
Furthermore, the excellent Tiger has been playing with the sound files and created something beautiful, and he's still plugging away at it.

Perchance it is not dead, but sleepeth?

[HunterICX]

Talk about the lack of effort by the original dev team after seeying what ATAG has done to it :down:

well....perhaps there's hope after all.
hopefully they'll get the performance of the game tweaked properly and we've got ourself a decent online BoB sim

HunterICX

[GSpector]

I wish there was a group like this for B-17: The Mighty Eighth :hmmm:

Looking good :up:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I wish there was a group like this for B-17: The Mighty Eighth :hmmm:

Looking good :up:

Whosoever owns the rights to B-17: The Mighty Eighth did hint that they might be doing (or plan to do) something along that route. :yeah: Just got to be patient, and I'm not holding my breath.

[GSpector]

Ya, I heard those same hints. A few years ago :(

PS: I like your SUBSIM MOD Graphic, I always name my PC HAL and use the lens as the Avatar :D

[finchOU]

Any word on an overall Campaign fix? To a more IL2 standard lenghty campaign (hell I'd take 20 missions over what they have now).

[Oberon]

Any word on an overall Campaign fix? To a more IL2 standard lenghty campaign (hell I'd take 20 missions over what they have now).

I think that the Campaign is pretty low on their list of priorities at the moment, however there are a couple of user made campaigns by Heinkill (who is, in my opinion, one of the top people for getting sim-BOB news from) which you can find here:
http://bobgamehub.blogspot.co.uk/


However, I have a feeling that it'll be a while before we have the amount of missions for CloD that we do for IL2 at the moment, if indeed we ever do at all, it is quite possible that now 777 are on board for Battle For Moscow, that the IL2 fanbase will skip CloD and go straight to BoM to create their campaigns and missions...that's if it's not another complete train-wreck.
So, in regards to CloD, it's going to be a mainly multiplayer game, split between two servers, ATAG and (I think) SoW (can't remember the name off hand, think it's Storm of War), and when Team Fusion release their patch, and the ATAG server loads it up, well...it's going to be mainly an ATAG server game. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, the ATAG chaps seem good folk and the server is good for whiling away the hours whilst trying to hunt down targets.

Now...if you want a realistic, fully dynamic, playable from both sides campaign which features the Battle of Britain, with squadrons modelled down to the individual aircraft paint schemes and unit codes. If you want dogfights with hundreds of aircraft in the sky at the same time (something not even IL2 can manage properly) with the full chaotic furballs of Summer 1940 recreated.
Well, then, you want to get Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory.
The graphics are not up to CloD, they are more in the direction of IL2, but it makes up for it in every single other department. The AI is not god-like, the 110 you are chasing may well panic and stall, or do something completely illogical because the AI pilot made a mistake, the radio chatter is much better (more immersive than IL2 and CloD IMHO), and the whole thing is just that much more of a better experience than CloD (as it is now) and IL2. The only real downsides are a few bugs here and there (but the modding group BDG is always hard at work squashing them) and no multiplayer (although that IS apparently being worked on).

So, in conclusion, play BOBII for singleplayer, and CloD for multiplayer for the best Battle of Britain experience. :yep:

[finchOU]

Thanks for the quick response. Was blown away by CloD's graphics...then I played the game and was completly disappointed at the campaign and lack of support......pretty much the same feeling with stock SH5. Shocking right? Anyway...i'm assuming I can buy BOBII on amazon?

[Oberon]

Thanks for the quick response. Was blown away by CloD's graphics...then I played the game and was completly disappointed at the campaign and lack of support......pretty much the same feeling with stock SH5. Shocking right? Anyway...i'm assuming I can buy BOBII on amazon?

You join a very long line of people disappointed by the lack of support and the trash heap that is the campaign. I can honestly say that I've never played the stock campaign, and I intend to never do so, just reading a few paragraphs about the RAF campaign and the stupid 'Heartbreaker' thing was enough to stear me completely away from it. Our real hope now for support lies with Team Fusion (who, by the way, will be releasing a new video of their work on their patch/mod at 18:00Z today).

You certainly can buy BOBII on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Britain-II-Wings-Victory-PC/dp/B001COX7N0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362745991&sr=8-3&keywords=BOB%3AWOV

If you buy through the Subsim portal up at the top right of the page you also give a little back to Neal and help keep this site going, so it's win/win really.

Once you have BOBII, you'll want to go here:
http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=68d52c70fd792185172ad1720cef9af1

To get the BDG patch, be sure to follow the instructions to install it. Don't play it vanilla because it is rather buggy, but with the BDG patches it has been polished into a fine gem.
Here's some videos to tide you over, some of them feature older versions, but still give a good overview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHk9CFgE-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbOCAFiro8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeoiq_usCB4

[Sailor Steve]

PS: I like your SUBSIM MOD Graphic, I always name my PC HAL and use the lens as the Avatar :D
We can thank Neal Stevens for that. He put into all our profiles. :sunny:

[Oberon]

Team Fusion news:

With Friday comes another Team Fusion update, skilfully crafted by Mysticpuma, all taken from a private online dogfight server that ATAG runs for testing. It's looking very nice, including (in a first for a combat flight sim if I'm not mistaken) reflective glints from aircraft canopies that might aid in spotting aircraft at a distance, particularly if they are below you. A realistic and helpful addition to the sim.

http://vimeo.com/61362271



However, there is a darker snippet of news to report on, in a recent interview with LOFT on the il2sturmovik forums, this question and answer occurred:

7) Now enthusiasts from ATAG themselves correct CloD (copyright for this game belongs to you). Whether any cooperation with this team?

So far none of them have tried to contact with me (or with anyone else from 1C-777) and discuss this possibility. This is a bad sign. They don't respect us. If there is no respect for other people's property, any dialogue is impossible. I hope that this is due only to the fact that this boys don't yet know what they want and what they have done. Therefore, they are shy.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/168-developer-diary/#entry9982

This smells bad to me, of sour grapes because Team Fusion are doing work that 1C-777 don't want to do, and if CloD outperforms BoM because of this then I can see things getting very nasty between 1C-777 and Team Fusion...but I really hope that this isn't the case. We will see, however I do recall Oleg stated early on that he would be very open to modding of CloD, and I see no reason why this should have changed, even though despite what was promised, no modding sdk files were released with the game.

Still, time will tell, in the meantime though, I'm going to hop on to ATAG and hone my aircraft spotting skills. :yep:

[finchOU]

http://shop.desastersoft.com/en/fighter-aces-adolf-galland-the-expert-eng.html

Anyone bought and tried this add on? It looks to add campaign missions for 4 different squadrons of 30 plus missions each. This is kind of what I was expecting Stock to be .... looks pretty cool and might go for it if I can get some good feedback..and it is compatible with some MODs out there.

[Oberon]

I've heard good things about their missions, but the producers have some...'interesting' ideas of history, here's an alleged extract from their campaign briefings:

Churchill himself said it very clearly in the summer 1940:
Those who think, we fight this war to fight nazism, are naive. Our intention is to smash germanys economic power.

Wars are never fought for altruistic motives. They always have a egoistic intent. The aim is power and territories, never the people.

None of the nations fighting in WWII is innocent. Not even the victors.

And so was the "Battle of Britain" also not what it was stylized for. For Great Britain it wasn't the fight to survive, and for Germany it wasn't the fight for the invasion of England.
Churchill wanted to fight this war for his own personal power to the bitter end, at all costs. And it did cost! It did cost Great-Britain it's empire. He stood as loosing victor, who did gain his primary war goal, the destruction of Germany, but ruined the homeland entrusted to him. Great-Britain never recovered from this ruin.
In 1939 it was possible to start the war, but not to stop it. He only could take the bull by its horns, in a conflict, lost before it started. And the same was with the Battle of Britain. Continious changing aims of the battle, no strategic concept and a Luftwaffe not suited for this kind of war were the largest obstacles. But the truly biggest obstacle was, that there was no plan for the continuation of the war. So this battle was a improvisation, which was by propagandistic means blown up to a possible decisive battle.
The battle was decided, as soviet troops at 28.06.1940 invaded Romania and occupied large parts of it. From this day on the german high command knew, that the direction of the war would change, if they wanted to survive. Since without the romanian oil the war against England couldn't be fought also. 150 km divided from this day on G.K. Schukow from the decision in favour of the Soviet-union. But he overlooked the chance.
The german chief of staff Franz Halder, as Hitler himself, saw the danger and acted. All planning for a possible invasion of England were waste paper and obsolete with that.

Concluding it is to ascertain, that for England in 1940 was no danger of a invasion. Churchill wanted to get the USA into his boat, and that he did get. Because the USA supported Great-Britain after the Battle of Britain with enormous quantities of weapons wares, planes and ships.

And from the manual:

The one side [Germany] was lacking the means and the will for victory, the other side [Britain] the good sense for peace. This may sound cynical, but peace would have been possible. And in this case, the decision was not Hitler's. In 1939 Hitler possessed the ability to begin the war. But in 1940 he did not possess the ability to end it. Churchill did!

And apparently the author posts on certain forums that also have interesting historical viewpoints, as a simhq member put it:

I am German myself. The moment I heard there would be an add-on for COD I wanted to buy it. So I did some research. I found out that Thomas Voss posts on a website, which is called “political incorrect”. There they promote “free Speech”, which means uttering right wing rhetorics. For example he says that Germany needed to attack the Soviet Union because they prepared for the attack themselves which is laughable. They only want to find ways to excuse the deeds of Nazi Germany. He also promotes the opposition against immigration and if you read his posts you realize quickly that he is opposed to the current democratic System of Germany. Also other members of desastersoft promote Anti-Americanism which is quite common in the far right circles.

(All from: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3399135/10)

But, politics aside, I have heard good things about the missions themselves, so there is that.

[finchOU]

Well there are always two sides of a story and the Victors write the history....so I don't necessarily disagree with everything he says... but it is always good in my opinion to see different points of view. Do I think he is wrong...based off of what I know... yeah probably... but he does bring up some interesting points. Like any good free market Capitalist, I only care that the product is superior. Mixing politics and business is never a good idea IMHO.

I'm a huge free speech guy. Say what you want and let public opinion decide how serious people take you. As long as you are not physically hurting some one...I that is your right. I'm pro Nationism..... but from a persons perspective...not government (as this lets to control away from the people).... as in I love my country for its freedoms....not to "hate" other countries.

I think the bottom line for the BOB is that the Germans needed to dominate the air war...aka air superiority and the supply war (sea power). It didn't do that....it had a chance (maybe) with their air force....as for Sea Power.... it couldn't dominate the sea lanes with it's small Uboat force or inferior surface fleet. I always thought the War would be won or lost in the East and whether the US would commit to war or not.

That aside....I think I'll def look into one of these Campaigns ...as I do like what I see. Unless there is another third party developer I don't know about.

[Oberon]

Oh, aye, well I'm open to peoples interpretations of history, although I do disagree with a lot of what was written there. However, like I said, politics aside, it seems to be quite good. :yep:

Some reviews here:

http://www.simhq.com/_air15/air_538a.html

http://simhq.com/_air14/air_524a.html

[finchOU]

hmmm....I just got BOB II.... and I'm a bit disappointed. I put the first MOD on it ...but it just seems very very arcadish and bubbly if that makes sense. The gun firing...the getting hit by bullets/wounded sounds.

As a comparison I fired COD back up and it was much better for what I would call realism factor. Obviously the graphics in COD are not notch compared to BOB II, but it just feels right.

[Oberon]

Each to their own I guess.

[finchOU]

Quote from a review from SimHQ on IL-2:COD

"It's infuriating to think of flight-sim Michelangelo deciding to join forces with Homer Simpson to produce this odd and curious master-class of inconsistency."

http://www.simhq.com/_air14/air_501a.html

[TarJak]

Team Fusion Launch Candidate video: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3754

:D

Nearly there guys.

[Oberon]

Team Fusion Launch Candidate video: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3754

:D

Nearly there guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fu38XSMwGPs#t=12s

[HunterICX]

MYCOCAAAAINEEE :D

Hehe love that bit ''Engine's overheating and so am I, Either we stand down or blow up which do you want?''

HunterICX

[reignofdeath]

So what can people tel me the differences are between Cliffs Over Dover and say IL2 1946 with HSFX?

Is COD getting to the point where it is great modded? What about performance requirements?

Im looking for information because this may be a new purchase soon, if I dont feel like Ill enjoy it, I may stick with 1946.:arrgh!:

[HunterICX]

CloD is in a way the SHV of the IL2 series.
A lot is promised by the original dev team but little is actually delivered.
It was plagued by a horrible performance at the release which they somewhat fixed with some post-patching but eventually they even gave up on that and moved on to their next project with 777 studios ''Battle of Moscow'' and left CloD as for what it is. Something with potential which isn't beeing used untill now with the guys of ATAG that started to sink their teeth in it.

I'm really looking forward to these Candidate releases of their mod and see if they can bring CloD to what it should've been. So far it's looking very good and promising.

EDIT: I see it's just 10€/$ on Steam and now it's even 35% off with the Ubi sale till the 18th of March so if you ask me it can't hurt to get it.

HunterICX

[captgeo]

from what I have heard from player's of this game, you would be better off playing Warthunder:up:

[TarJak]

from what I have heard from player's of this game, you would be better off playing Warthunder:up:

Only if you want to play an arcade game.:O:

The flying is more complex in CloD than 1946. The mod patch that is coming out from Team Fusion takes the game to another level again both graphically and with flight models.

When it first came out, the game was badly borked, particularly on lower end rigs. After the performance patch things improved a great deal and with the TF patch they will improve again. The key things limiting it after TF's patch will be the lack of a SP campaign, limited aircraft types, maps and timeframe.

The lack of aircraft is being worked on, however this will take a long time to get right due to the far more complex 3D modelling required as well as the more complex flight and damage models for each aircraft.

If you are looking for something more like flying a real WWII aircraft than War Thunder, then for the price CloD is not a bad deal.

To check on what Team Fusion are doing with the game check this thread over on ATAG: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3656

[SgtPotato]

Well, good thing that I bought CoD today. :smug:

[TarJak]

Well, good thing that I bought CoD today. :smug:

Good move. Get ready to hold you breath.:03:
http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-wait-for-the-patch.png

[captgeo]

the last flight sim I used was IL2.......it was great, but I was warned away fro CoD, might just have to try it out.:salute:

[TarJak]

The Team Fusion patch is available: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3777

[Herr-Berbunch]

:woot:

That was quicker than I expected. I'll download at work in a bit.

Thank you to all at Team Fusion. :up:

[TarJak]

:woot:

That was quicker than I expected. I'll download at work in a bit.

Thank you to all at Team Fusion. :up:

I did tell you to start holding your breath. The RC test saw about 70 odd human pilots on the ATAG private server and showed excellent performance with only very minor and very occasional stutters when new players spawned in.

Being able to climb up to over 10,000m makes a big difference and the FM's are all much nicer to fly.

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=urx6HuoSPFU#t=244s

http://www.britsattheirbest.com/f_wwii_raf_scramble_to_plan.jpg

[Oberon]

First impressions are good. Took a Mk I Spitfire out and up, couldn't use TrackIR because of that curious thing known as sunshine in England (it'll never catch on) but will try again with TrackIR later tonight.
Framerates are reasonable, not noticing a massive increase but I need to twiddle some settings a bit since for some bizarre reason it didn't manage to access the settings for the vanilla CloD even though I copied them across.
No biggie though.

Flight model seems about right, nice bit of shaking before stall as expected, but I couldn't seem to get the old girl above 26000ft which isn't quite accurate. It could be that I'm doing something wrong, but it certainly became a bit of a struggle to keep the nose pitched up at that altitude.
Entered a spin whilst attempting to climb further but recovered a few thousand feet further down. Began a rapid descent and levelled off about one or two thousand feet above the ground. Switched prop pitch back and then the engine broke, so I made a crash landing nearby. No visible damage to the prop even though I nosed over, but that's no real biggie to me if I'm honest. In regards as to why the engine broke, anything is possible with the Rolls Royce Merlin, it's quite a finicky engine, but it's most likely that it overheated because of the prop pitch change. One thing I noticed is that the little red text that tells you what damage you've suffered was lacking, so I couldn't be certain what it was that broke. Again though, I'm not that fussed since real life Spitfire pilots didn't have a little HUD that told them what had just fallen off their aircraft.

All in all, promising so far, was nice to get up and create some contrails...although I did notice a little bit of contrail going through the inside of the cockpit whilst in cockpit view, could just be my settings though. What are your settings Tarjak?

[Oberon]

Just had a quick sortie online. Took off, climbed up over Manston and flew over the channel for a bit, saw some Blennies being attacked by 109s, so dived in to help, but the whole thing flew into cloud and I lost them, then found another aircraft, came over to it, lost it and then was bounced by two 109s.

So, thoughts, firstly...ouch. Secondly, I'm enjoying the new patch, the reflections are a nice touch, the sounds are...well...obviously not the priority of this patch and will be sorted with Tigers soundmod, but the flight model seems quite good, although the Spitfire doesn't seem as smooth as I'd expect but equally that could be a performance issue related more to the computer than to the Flight model.

All in all though, it's good, it's a vast improvement over the original for certain, and a good indication of what quality work Team Fusion are capable of producing.

Now all we need is Tigers sounds and this will be the game it should have been at release! :yep:

[reignofdeath]

So what all are these upcoming mods adding to and or giving the game? And what kind of performance could I expect with an

Asus G55V 15.6 Inch?

Has a 3610QM i7 Quad core at 2.3Ghz (not over clocked)
16GB RAM 1600hMZ DDR3 (Upgraded)
and has a NviDia GTX 660M 2GB standalone memory.

[finchOU]

well I downloaded the patch.....seems good, but honestly I haven't played COD enough to appreciate it. The Canopy glint is pretty cool tho.

Question: does anyone know if the Patch is compatible with any of the campaign MODs by desastersoft.com?? Really getting an itch to buy one of those Third Party add ons. Has anyone tried these? I've read some online review...seems promising .

[TarJak]

I believe some testing has been done with the Desastersoft mods. You just have to have them in the right folders to make it work. http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3796

[reignofdeath]

I believe some testing has been done with the Desastersoft mods. You just have to have them in the right folders to make it work. http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3796


TarJak,

what kind of specs would you need to run this game with high fps? On say med to high? I put mine about 2 posts down. Im trying to get a feel if I should buy this or buy IL 2 1946 and HSFX

[TarJak]

TarJak,

what kind of specs would you need to run this game with high fps? On say med to high? I put mine about 2 posts down. Im trying to get a feel if I should buy this or buy IL 2 1946 and HSFX

Your rig should work fine. I've got an i7 2600 with 16GB of DDR3 RAM and a 1.5GB 580GTX vid card and it runs at 30+FPS with almost no stuttering(only see stutters when there are lots of explosions going on), with everything on high. Should be no reason you can't run it with your rig. As I said a few posts ago for the money its well worth it and TBH I can't go back to 1946 because it looks too cartoony even with HSFX.

[TarJak]

All in all, promising so far, was nice to get up and create some contrails...although I did notice a little bit of contrail going through the inside of the cockpit whilst in cockpit view, could just be my settings though. What are your settings Tarjak?

Sorry mate, just noticed this. I've got everything set on high for video settings in game. Vsync is off but SSAO is on.

Nvidia settings:
AF = Application controlled
AA-FXAA=on (Though I've read that this can cause shimmering for some people on some textures)
AA-Gamma Correction=Off
AA-Mode=Enhance the application setting
AA-Setting= 16Q CSAA
AA-transparency=8X (Supersample)
CUDA=GPU's=ALL
Max pre-rendered frames=4
Power=Maximum Performance
Texture Filtering -Anisotropic sample optimisation=Off
TF-Negative LOD bias=Allow
TF-Quality=High Quality
TF-Trilinear Optimisation=Off
Threaded Optimisation=Auto
Tripple Buffering=On
TF-Anistotrpic filter optimisation=Off
Vertical Sync=Use the 3D application setting

[reignofdeath]

Your rig should work fine. I've got an i7 2600 with 16GB of DDR3 RAM and a 1.5GB 580GTX vid card and it runs at 30+FPS with almost no stuttering(only see stutters when there are lots of explosions going on), with everything on high. Should be no reason you can't run it with your rig. As I said a few posts ago for the money its well worth it and TBH I can't go back to 1946 because it looks too cartoony even with HSFX.

Are you running it with the team fusion patch as well?

[TarJak]

Are you running it with the team fusion patch as well?

Yes. Wouldn't go without it. Have a look at stock first though so you can appreciate the difference.

[saipan]

Been away from the VII-c for a while. Been flying CLOD. I am curious how the sub.sim community likes it. The TF mod sure helped, are any modders here doing anywork on it??

[Cybermat47]

I ordered this the other day :woot:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Been away from the VII-c for a while. Been flying CLOD. I am curious how the sub.sim community likes it. The TF mod sure helped, are any modders here doing anywork on it??

I've not used it with the TF mod yet, but it's downloaded ready to go on! Before it I loved CLoD anyway, online with ATAG was the way to go, think I only stopped because BF3 came out, I don't have the highest spec PC and got respectable frames from it, the only thing that bugged me was FMs which should be fixed by the mod.

I ordered this the other day :woot:

Enjoy it, and get the mod! :yeah:

[fastbikkel]

Have the bugs been fixed in cliffs of dover?
I want to buy it, but my friends have told me not to.
But that is some time ago and cannot seem to find any info on bugfixes.
I mean, what is the general consensus?

Looking at the IL2 website will be prejudiced, they will claim it works well.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I'd recommend it, as would TarJak, and a few others, but especially so with the Team Fusion patch mentioned. :yeah:

I wouldn't look at the IL-2 website, look for Air Tactical Assault Group's site instead.

[Valantine]

Cliffs of Dover does work well with the Team Fusion patches and it is good fun whilst playing it. This is my own oppinion and I'll happily caveat it as such: it's good fun until you get tired of the same one map, the same limited mission types and on public servers: seeing the same match up between 109E4N's and Spitfires MkIIa's constantly.
As a member of team fusion we are not allowed to discuss the ins and outs of the modding etc. however for those hanging on for any real new content such a new theatre map: don't hold your breath as it is over a year away yet if not more.
If you can get Cliffs of Dover on steam for less than £10 then I'd say grab it if it interests you: you'll certainly get more than your money's worth with it, just be warned that it is a sim that is no longer officially supported so if you buy do so with the mindset that what you get and the current teamfusion pack could well be it.
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[fastbikkel]

Thanks for the answers. That was what i was looking for.

[TarJak]

What they said. It's great fun to fly and has some excellent graphics and with the Team Fusion patch some good flight modelling. The TF patch fixes some bugs, but you need a reasonably gutsy rig to play it on in full graphical glory. One of the key things that still bugs me is the lack of really good anti aliasing in game, however some of that can be overcome by using some AA injection tools.

If you can pick it up cheaply then its worth a look.

[Cybermat47]

Look what I found :woot:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=25362

[saipan]

the new TF patch/mod should be out aug or sept. sounds like it will be a sig sized file.

[TarJak]

Team Fusion Patch 4.00 about to be launched: http://vimeo.com/77082835#at=0

[GSpector]

Ok, that video looked great:o. What sim is that for again? It looked brand new:yeah:

[TarJak]

Team Fusion Patch 4.00 is now available: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6321

Its for the sim in the title of this thread. ;)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Wow, that video was amazing compared to the vanilla Cliff's. :o

[GSpector]

Thanks for the update. I'm seeding back. Now all I have to do is find my disks and re-install, so I can patch and fly :D

[Oberon]

Well, I've updated, and had a couple of hours on the ATAG server. Very impressive work by all involved, but no real performance increase in my end, although it's probably my connection to the ATAG server which is not brilliant at the best of times. Visibility of enemy aircraft also still seems a bit off, but I suspect that's more to do with the lack of large bomber formations than anything else. I distinctly remember reading RAF pilots claiming that on a clear day they could see the raids forming up over France whilst on patrol on the coast. In Clod I'd say that the dots appear slightly England side of mid-channel, and since they're usually, well, in my experience anyway, two or three dots at a time, seeing them isn't easy.

I suspect though, more than anything, my computer is finally reaching the limit of its capabilities, and my internet is just not up to snuff to dogfight on the ATAG server. Just a few minutes ago I...somehow...got a Bf109E4/N off the ground, probably the automatic pitch helped, and whilst popping in and out of menu to see what key I had the cannons on I experienced a lot of load time, and a fair bit of...what I would describe as clunkiness. Then I managed to get back into the cockpit, just rescuing the 109 from a dive into the Channel. I spotted Flak so turned to investigate, was bounced by a Hurricane, then everything froze up for about six or seven seconds and I crashed into the ground.

So, for now, I'll stick with BOBII still...

[SnipersHunter]

This is a must have Mod/Patch

[saipan]

great patch.

if you are having a hard time seeing planes at a distance, try tweaking the gpu settings.

[saipan]

Well, I've updated, and had a couple of hours on the ATAG server. Very impressive work by all involved, but no real performance increase in my end, although it's probably my connection to the ATAG server which is not brilliant at the best of times. Visibility of enemy aircraft also still seems a bit off, but I suspect that's more to do with the lack of large bomber formations than anything else. I distinctly remember reading RAF pilots claiming that on a clear day they could see the raids forming up over France whilst on patrol on the coast. In Clod I'd say that the dots appear slightly England side of mid-channel, and since they're usually, well, in my experience anyway, two or three dots at a time, seeing them isn't easy.

I suspect though, more than anything, my computer is finally reaching the limit of its capabilities, and my internet is just not up to snuff to dogfight on the ATAG server. Just a few minutes ago I...somehow...got a Bf109E4/N off the ground, probably the automatic pitch helped, and whilst popping in and out of menu to see what key I had the cannons on I experienced a lot of load time, and a fair bit of...what I would describe as clunkiness. Then I managed to get back into the cockpit, just rescuing the 109 from a dive into the Channel. I spotted Flak so turned to investigate, was bounced by a Hurricane, then everything froze up for about six or seven seconds and I crashed into the ground.

So, for now, I'll stick with BOBII still...

it does take a beefy rig to run....

[saipan]

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9353

4.3 patch

many fixes..playable flak now...check it out

[saipan]

hot patch came out also. 4.312 i think

[Herr-Berbunch]

Thanks for the heads-up. :salute:

[nacy]

Team Fusion MOD Downloads

http://teamfusion.theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/18/08/15/97/team_f10.jpg (http://servimg.com/view/18081597/575)



VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6u4JxgE2S4

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/18/08/15/97/110.jpg (http://servimg.com/view/18081597/572)


http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/18/08/15/97/210.jpg (http://servimg.com/view/18081597/573)


http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/18/08/15/97/310.jpg (http://servimg.com/view/18081597/574)

[Skybird]

What to say about the addons by Desastersoft? Which one is the best (and why), Channel Battles, Wick vs Dundas, Galland? Do they make the game a better SP experience?

It seems to be possible to run them with the Fusion Patch?!

What is considered to be usable hardware for CoD/TFP ? i5@3.3 GHZ, 8GB RAM, GTX680 2GB, Win7x64 sufficient?

[Oberon]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=121746&page=35

Toward the bottom of the page.

[Skybird]

Thanks.

Further investigating the name Thomas Voss gives me the impression that this is one of those rightwingers that in recent years have infiltrated and hijacked several civil right groups, political parties and website projects against political correctness, EU, Islam and an ever growing state authority, and by their presence add to these groups'/parties'/websites' bad reputation despite their originally anything by right-winged intention.

The infestation of such parties and groups with such people is a big problem, and corrupts legitimate, reasonable causes.

My money stays were it is: in my wallet.