Troop Transports in GWX

[brotebjo]

How come troop transports aren't worth more as in renown (only 390) in GWX. Shouldn't these be worth much more? Or are these not the true troop transports that I'm thinking of - like the passinger liners?

[melnibonian]

The renown system is SH3/GWX is based on a mixture of tonnage and value of the ship. The whole idea is to make the game as balanced as possible. I think 350-400 for a relatively large and important (merchant) ship is quite reasonable

[Jimbuna]

Troop transports (AP Transports) were able to carry up to approximately 5000 troops, depending on their size; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ap.htm
The larger troop transports that could literally carry thousands (12-15) of troops were the ocean going liners eg: Queen Mary :arrgh!:


World War II
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Arriving in New York Harbor, 20 June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_20) 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945), with thousands of U.S. troops.


In late August 1939, the Queen Mary was on a return run from New York to Southampton. However, the international situation led to her being shadowed by the battlecruiser HMS Hood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood_%2851%29). She arrived safely, and set out again for New York on 1 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_1). By the time she arrived, the Second World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War) had started, and she was ordered to stay where she was, joining her great rival, Normandie. In 1940, the pair were also joined by Queen Mary's running mate Queen Elizabeth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Elizabeth). Rather than keeping them bottled up, it was decided to use them as troopships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopship). So, the Queen Mary left New York for Sydney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney%2C_Australia), where she, along with several other liners, was converted into a troopship to carry Australian and New Zealand soldiers to the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom). Eventually joined by the Queen Elizabeth, they were the largest and fastest troopships involved in the war, often carrying as many as 15,000 men in a single voyage, and often travelling out of convoy and without escort. During this period, because of their wartime grey camouflage livery and elusiveness, both Queens received the nickname "The Grey Ghost". Because of their size and prestige their sinking was such a high priority for Germany that Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) offered the equivalent of $250,000.00 and the Iron Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross) to the U-boat commander who could sink them.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary#_note-2) However, their high speed meant that it was virtually impossible for U-Boats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_boat) to catch them. Once, Germany was nearly successful; whilst the Queen Mary was in South American waters, a radio signal was intercepted which indicated that spies had reported her last refuelling stop and a U-Boat was waiting on her line of voyage. After being alerted, the Queen Mary changed course and escaped.
On 2 October (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2) 1942 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942), Queen Mary accidentally sank one of her escorts, slicing through the light cruiser HMS Curacoa (D41) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Curacoa_%28D41%29), with the loss of 338 lives. Due to the constant danger of being attacked by U-Boats, the Queen Mary could not stop, or even slow down, to rescue survivors.
In December 1942, the Queen Mary was carrying exactly 16,082 American troops from New York to Great Britain. While 700 miles from Scotland during a gale, she was suddenly hit broadside by a rogue wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave_%28oceanography%29) that may have reached a height of 28 metres (92 ft). In his book, The Age of Cunard, author Daniel Allen Butler mentions that the immense wall of water damaged lifeboats on the boat deck and broke windows on the bridge – 90 feet above the waterline. The huge wave caused a list that briefly reached an astounding 52 degrees before the ship slowly righted itself. He reported that investigations later estimated that three more degrees of list (about 5 inches in the wrong direction) would have made the vessel capsize. He also said that seasoned hands on the ship felt it would indeed roll over. The occurrence was kept secret at the time. An account of this crossing can be found in Walter Ford Carter's book, No Greater Sacrifice, No Greater Love. Carter's father, Dr. Norval Carter, part of the 110th Station Hospital on board at the time, wrote that at one point the Queen Mary "damned near capsized... One moment the top deck was at its usual height and then, swoom! Down, over, and forward she would pitch." The incident inspired Paul Gallico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gallico) to write his story, The Poseidon Adventure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure), which was later made into a film by the same name, using the Queen Mary as a stand-in for the SS Poseidon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Poseidon).

[brotebjo]

jimbuna,

Thanks for the info, I'm still waiting on one more book from amazon that should help me identify these merchant ships and what role they played in the war.

[Jimbuna]

Give me a clue (ship wise) ....I've a fairly large WWII naval library here at home :hmm: