There was fix for the Gato AA view ?

[Redwine]

Just that....

There was a fix for the gato AA weapon view ?

The conning tower side walls obstruct the view in my installation... may be i miss it.

Thanks in advance ! :up:

[Ducimus]

Early war conning tower. Its acutally historically accurate. If you dig around here:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/04idx.htm

You'll find all sorts of pictures. Later on you'll get a refit (happends randomly when returning from patrol) which cuts the weather fairings away. Or you could always mod it and force the midwar tower earlier.

For the most part, the war progression on US subs looks similar to this:

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/porpoise_refits.jpg
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/salmon_sargo_refits.jpg
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/Tambor_gar_refits.jpg
http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/release/gato_refits.jpg

[Redwine]

Many thanks for response Ducimus... but may be i explained it bad... or i dont understand you well...

The problem i have, is when i take my AA gun my self, my "face/head" goes out of the conning tower... and the conning tower side wall do not let to me to see anything...

I will take an screen shot...

many thanks for help... :up:

[Ducimus]

I guess im confused, a screenshot would help.

[Seadogs]

Yeah I can vouch for this, it's not that the tower is innacurate but when you look port or starboard the camera cuts outsite of the tower blocking your view. Meaning the tower wall is between your "eyes" and the AA gun.

[DyingCrow]

:damn: can only shoot planes coming from astern. cant find a fix (im a noob here, and theres a bunch of mods...), so if anyone knows how to solve this, please let us know.

[LukeFF]

if anyone knows how to solve this, please let us know.

Sure - order a crash dive and get the hell out of Dodge. Only foolish commanders decide to duke it out with aircraft. ;)

[Seadogs]

if anyone knows how to solve this, please let us know.

Sure - order a crash dive and get the hell out of Dodge. Only foolish commanders decide to duke it out with aircraft. ;)

But but but my AA gun's just rusting away... not to mention that expensive ass CPO gunner :rotfl:

[Redwine]

I am looking to straboard... and my face is outside the conning tower at port... then the port wall obstruct my view when i attempt to rise up the aiminng reticle.

Horizontal...
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4486/sh4img2482007183519625qx7.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh4img2482007183519625qx7.jpg)


Aming up...
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4428/sh4img2482007183529703zq3.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh4img2482007183529703zq3.jpg)

[Col1409]

Dunno if this will help I have found that I only get this problem with twin machine guns if I use the singles no problems.
Not a big issue for me as I tend to dive away from planes anyway

[Redwine]

Dunno if this will help I have found that I only get this problem with twin machine guns if I use the singles no problems.
Not a big issue for me as I tend to dive away from planes anyway

Mmh.. i always pick up twins... will give attention to that, next campaign i will sail with a single one.

Any way... i dont like the idea to loss the twins...

many thanks for help :up:

[panthercules]

I thought I remembered someone coming up with a fix for this view problem as well, but I couldn't find it. I'm thinking maybe it had something to do with tweaking one of the camera files to change clipping distance - this is the trick that made the conning tower "disappear" so you could do a 360-degree scan of the horizon with the binoculars without all that stuff in the way, so I'm thinking maybe it could make the bathtub wall disappear too - might be worth a try, but I've never experienced the problem so I'd have to set up something with a Gato to give it a try.

[panthercules]

Ok - got a chance to test some things out, and there does seem to be a way to get rid of this bathtub blocking thing - see screenshots below of an early war (April 1942) Gato with twin 20mm AA guns, trained to the side:

Zoomed out:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/GatoBathtubfixed1.jpg

Zoomed in:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/GatoBathtubfixed2.jpg

The fix to get this was very simple - just use minitweaker on the cameras.dat file to change the CameraParams Clipdistance settings to 0.5 (I did it for both dropdowns - "AA20mmPortGun" and "AA20mmStarbGun" - not sure if that's really necessary or not). At the stock/previous settings of 0.1, the bathtub wall blocking view was there, but with these new settings, it's not.


I have noticed some odd behavior (sight disappearing when not firing) if you traverse the gun too rapidly side-to-side, so this may not be the perfect fix or a couple of other tweaks might be needed to improve it, but it sure beats losing sight of your whole gun and target like it is the other way. [EDIT - see post below - changing to 0.4 instead of 0.5 seems to help eliminate the disappearing sight issue while traversing]

Hope this works for you - if you still can't find the previous modder's fix out there somewhere, maybe this will be worth a try (I'm running/testing this only at 1024x768 - not sure if results will vary at different resolutions, but hey - it's a start).

[DyingCrow]

if theres an aa gun , ill use it as much as i use the .50 gun to take down merchants. shooting down aircraft is a bit tricky, but not impossible, and its a good way to prevent more to come later to check you out because the last one reported your position course and speed.
one exemple of how invaluable aa guns can be:
yesterday, while doing the marshall islands patrol, i sailed north to wake island and surprise:o 1 jap merchant, one destroyer and 1 subchaser were docked there. i had to sail close into the port to get 2 of them, which were obstructed by the piers, going very slow and halfway from periscope depth because of the shallow depth there. after taking both warships down with a couple torpedoes, i surfaced to gun down the merchant; a few minutes later, a few scout planes appeared out of nowhere, i managed to shoot one but the other escaped, then a few minutes later a couple dive bombers were harassing me while i was trying to get out to safe waters. if i didnt shoot them down on their first run (one almost crashed into my boat) even before they dropped their bombs, i would never make it (only got minor damage), as more and more kept coming after that looking for me.
those 3 kills completed my mission, so i dived right outside port, stopped and waited till nightfall to get outta there and back home. i half surfaced once and there were planes everywhere (but too many :rock:).
suppose i freed wake island:lol:, but when i returned to pearl harbor i transfered to the pacific fleet. wish i didnt tho...
ill try that fix, and if it works, bless you. if it doesnt, bless you anyway :D

[Redwine]

Ok - got a chance to test some things out, and there does seem to be a way to get rid of this bathtub blocking thing - see screenshots below of an early war (April 1942) Gato with twin 20mm AA guns, trained to the side:


The fix to get this was very simple - just use minitweaker on the cameras.dat file to change the CameraParams Clipdistance settings to 0.7 (I did it for both dropdowns - "AA20mmPortGun" and "AA20mmStarbGun" - not sure if that's really necessary or not). At the stock/previous settings of 0.1, the bathtub wall blocking view was there, but with these new settings, it's not.


I have noticed some odd behavior (sight disappearing when not firing) if you traverse the gun too rapidly side-to-side, so this may not be the perfect fix or a couple of other tweaks might be needed to improve it, but it sure beats losing sight of your whole gun and target like it is the other way.

Hope this works for you - if you still can't find the previous modder's fix out there somewhere, maybe this will be worth a try (I'm running/testing this only at 1024x768 - not sure if results will vary at different resolutions, but hey - it's a start).


NICE ! :up:

I will try it... :up:

[Redwine]

Sorry Panthercules... can you upload the camera tweak file you used ... mine doesnt works may be it is old.

:up:

[DyingCrow]

cant get it to work either:cry:.

[panthercules]

Sorry Panthercules... can you upload the camera tweak file you used ... mine doesnt works may be it is old.

:up:

Sure - the tweak file I used should be here: http://files.filefront.com//;8399076;;/ (http://files.filefront.com//;8399076;;/)

and the tweaked cameras.dat file with this tweak made to it should be here (used the one from Kriller's update 1.1 as my base, with maybe a rain tweak or two, so it has some other stuff in it already): http://files.filefront.com//;8399075;;/


Good luck!

{EDIT} OOPS - sorry - looks like the version that actually worked for those pictures had been tweaked down to 0.5, not 0.7 as originally posted above (I've fixed it in my post above) - I tried so many different values I guess I got mixed up when I was making that post and typed the wrong one - sorry for the confusion :oops:

[panthercules]

Actually, after a little more testing, it looks like making this 0.4 works even better - seems to reduce/eliminate the "disappearing sight" issue when traversing quickly - I still get a little clipping/disappearance of the wall of the tub at the extreme edges of the screen when I traverse the gun quickly while zoomed out.

I'll play with it some more, but it looks like somewhere around 0.4 is probably the sweet spot. If I get anything better, I'll post something here.

[EDIT - OK - going down to 0.35 didn't help, but going up to 0.45 seems to yield a very good result - the "sight disappearing" problem on traversing seems to be gone, and the tub walls at the edges of the screen don't disappear unless you move your mouse view a lot faster sideways than the gun can follow you - if you limit your traversing to a speed that the gun itself can traverse, then the tub wall stays where it belongs all along the traverse.]

I haven't had a chance to test with any of the other flak guns, so I'm not sure if this might screw up something on different boats or with different guns. If it does, it's not that hard to set this up (as I have for testing) in a JSGME-ready mod all by itself (nothing in it but the tweaked cameras.dat file) so it could be loaded up only while you were using an early war Gato, and then use JSGME to unload it if you're using any other boat.

[Redwine]

Wonderful Panthercules ! :up:

You may release a fix... :up:

[DyingCrow]

i found a fix to this issue, and seems somewhat simple. this is done with the silent 3ditor here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571&highlight=minitweaker+download).

steps:
-load the cameras.dat file
-expand 276:node (starboard gun)
-click the 288: node (starboard gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

-expand the 294:node (port gun)
-click the 306:node (port gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

this works like a charm for me, however dunno if theres any side affects. but the damn bathtub disappears for sure:rock:

the higher the value, the more you stick your face up the gun. at negative values, you will see a guy holding the gun (whoever he is), and you will see him clipping the tub wall. seems like its a bit tight in there.

may work with the 37mm aa gun, but havent even got a hold on one.

have fun:arrgh!:

[panthercules]

i found a fix to this issue, and seems somewhat simple. this is done with the silent 3ditor here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571&highlight=minitweaker+download).

steps:
-load the cameras.dat file
-expand 276:node (starboard gun)
-click the 288: node (starboard gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

-expand the 294:node (port gun)
-click the 306:node (port gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

this works like a charm for me, however dunno if theres any side affects. but the damn bathtub disappears for sure:rock:

the higher the value, the more you stick your face up the gun. at negative values, you will see a guy holding the gun (whoever he is), and you will see him clipping the tub wall. seems like its a bit tight in there.

may work with the 37mm aa gun, but havent even got a hold on one.

have fun:arrgh!:

Hmmm - I haven't worked with the silent 3ditor yet (looked at it briefly a few dys ago, but it looked pretty complicated and I didn't have time to figure it out - will have to dive into it at some point) - is this doing basically the same thing in tweaking the clip distance to fix this like the minitweaker approach does, just in a different way with that tool, or is this adjusting some other aspect or parameter? I played around with a couple of other factors in minitweaker (e.g., angularangle) but couldn't come up with any combination that seemed to work as well or better as just changing the clip distance to 0.45. I tested the solution on a few other boats/guns combos, and couldn't find any negative side effects or unintended consequences, so hopefully now folks will have a couple of different ways to go to fix this.

[DyingCrow]

i didnt see those options in mini tweaker, but may be because theyre not present in the cameras.txt file, didnt check. but being able to edit the files directly seems to be a great advantage of 3ditor.
i loaded tmaru and this seems to be fixed on the mod, will only be sure when i get a hold on a twin aa gun. but for someone that doesnt use this or any other mods that have the tub fixed, this might the easiest way. and maybe playing with other values like zoom values and setting the node x offset, it may be possible to see the gunner and the reticle while not zoomed, and the normal gun view with the reticle while zoomed. for the hell of it, of course.
going deeper into it, maybe even simulate the quality of the aim (something like the gunners feedback) with a red, yellow and green light, while we just have to push the button. same for the aircrafts range, and i know that a guy with practice can tell almost the exact distance by looking at it (aircraft and/or ships); i was a radar operator on the portuguese navy for 13 years:arrgh!:, 10 of those comissioned on operational ships. also know that in good weather, the visibility can go up to 30km (16nm) for some ships with tall masts, and 37km+ (20nm+) for ships like medium size carriers and above (at main deck level, which should approximately be something like surfaced periscope up.). id surely like to see this tuned in game, 9km is not real.

[Redwine]

i found a fix to this issue, and seems somewhat simple. this is done with the silent 3ditor here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571&highlight=minitweaker+download).

steps:
-load the cameras.dat file
-expand 276:node (starboard gun)
-click the 288: node (starboard gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

-expand the 294:node (port gun)
-click the 306:node (port gun 1)
-on the offset fields, on the z field type 0.01 (instead of 0)

this works like a charm for me, however dunno if theres any side affects. but the damn bathtub disappears for sure:rock:

the higher the value, the more you stick your face up the gun. at negative values, you will see a guy holding the gun (whoever he is), and you will see him clipping the tub wall. seems like its a bit tight in there.

may work with the 37mm aa gun, but havent even got a hold on one.

have fun:arrgh!:

Made both changes, these you added DyingCrow... and that added by Panthercules value 0,45....

Woks fine... why you both do not release a fix merging both tricks... ?

:up::up::up:

[DyingCrow]

im not much into modding, rather just have fun playing and enjoying the good stuff mods out there, and suppose this is a fix simple enough to be done by anyone at discretion on any mod they could be using.
i would surely do some work about those ideas above, and even more, if i could, of course. its a bit ridiculous, even if "realistic that its not realistic", that a subs captain has to come up with all the data for manual targeting on the game. info comes from the sonar, radar and visual to be compiled on the plotting table and then used for the final solution. its my opinion that it should work like this:
-to be possible to ask any of the 3 stations for a bearing and distance to the current target.
-to be possible to ask the plotter for those, and the course and speed of the current target, bacause its his job to compile, not the captains. also have a report on any changes on the contacts behaviour reported, because that can mess the shot and id like to be informed before i waste such valuable and rare asset such as a torpedo.
-while surfaced, the watch guy should report the contacts id, when in range or when asked, because if he doesnt have his id pictures book at hand, hes gonna get a boot up his a**. its perfectly possible, even to any cross-eyed that can hold a binocular, to id a contact at 5nm+ (10 km+), which is above the safety distance to avoid being gunned, unless its night, foggy, rainy or stormy, or the contact is small, or watch guy is a retard and should be used as fuel.
-its insane to pick up a periscope, be it visual or by radar, with stormy weather, even worse at night. i had experiences with ships changing course to intercept, in stormy weather, while me completely stopped and at periscope, and i was 100% sure there were no chances they would know i was there. and they only go active sonar to attack, so there was no random pinging just in case. in my experience, when it was stormy during ASW exercises, i couldnt see s*** in hours searching for risers, and radars are much better then they were in the 40's, i guess. wth, how can they freakin detect me when my freakin periscope is 75% of the time underwater and its the only thing that can be seen?
if these, some or maybe more thingies (like the ones in some post above) could be fixed into a "middle" difficulty level, i believe the game experience would be more realistic and rewarding for who doesnt want the so damn easy shooting gallery or the oh-my-god-i-have-to-do-everything-my-crew-sucks-buncha-incompetents-cant-even-gimme-a-freakin-speed...
firing solutions would still be done manually, of course, but it would be good to know theres someone working to help shooting stuff.
having fun is the most important thing, after all:rock:

[panthercules]

[Made both changes, these you added DyingCrow... and that added by Panthercules value 0,45....

Woks fine... why you both do not release a fix merging both tricks... ?

:up::up::up:

Since there are lots of mods out there that have already messed with the cameras.dat file, it doesn't seem too useful to release this as a separate mod as such just for this one tweak, but I did go ahead and post a "[REL]" thread about it here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=632226#post632226) explaining the minitweaker fix and also referencing DyingCrow's Silent 3ditor-based fix (with a link back to this thread), so people looking for things that are "done" should be able to find it a bit more easily and use it if they want.

[Dark_Raevin]

Thanks guys :D. Now the tub is not in the way when point the AA gun to port or starboard.