Dead is Dead

[jazman]

When I played IL-2 offline campaigns, I would play "dead is dead." That means when I get killed, the career is over, no restarts, no reverting to last saved. I lost a few nice kill totals that way...

Is that a feasible approach in SH3? Do many play this way? How hard is it to make it through, say, a patrol? A year?

For those of you who play this way, how is your play different than if you weren't playing this way? Sure, I expect you're more cautious, but _how_ more cautious?

I'm really looking for tips on playing to sink ships AND survive.

[TarJak]

I play DiD and have been able to get to around 10-15 patrols without dying. I use SH3Commander with realistic career length on and by that stage you are getting retired by SH3C.

You have to be much more aware of the risks and make sure that Bernard isn't around to screw things up as well. It means that you tend to not go after some things that you might have before and when you get damaged you sometimes turn around without reaching your patrol grid. This happens a lot to me in post 1942 careers when the air cover is getting heavy and viable targets are harder to acquire.

[Dimitrius07]

When i learn the basics i cheated :D :down: But now i `am not reload my save game when i miss all 4 fishes or more depends on tipe of a uboat (happen some time), and when my boat sunk with all hands wich happens usually at the biggining of 1943. GWX is a dangerous place i should say:dead: :D :rock:.

[Canovaro]

I have played did from the beginning, and I do 10-20 patrols with it.
Just be careful, while still trying to get enough renown to prepare your ship for the next patrol.

[Brag]

I managed 18 patrols. I think I would have gone longer had I been less confident in the success of my evading tactics.

You may want to read the article on survival on my webbie :D

[Puster Bill]

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Dead is dead, and east is east and west is west, and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does.

I play a modified form of 'dead is dead'. If I get killed because I left the game running when I went to go see what mischief my son is getting into, or because I had to take a leak, or something, then I don't worry about reloading from my last save. Usually that kind of thing happens when I think there is no one else in the area, and I get caught on the surface by aircraft at dusk or dawn.

If, however, I get killed fair and square while I'm sitting there, then I'm dead and I abandon that career.

[vedrand]

Is that a feasible approach in SH3? Do many play this way? How hard is it to make it through, say, a patrol? A year?


Of course it is feasible, and much more then that, it makes the game much more realistic and imemrsive, you have to be more careful about stuff. One of the means of achieving it, or not getting unpleasant surprises is keeping thr time compression at 128 top. i like doing stuff...like reading a book while on patrol.
and then each time i get to see sunset alive i think to myself... one more day in this bloody war is over and ur stil alive :yep: as you know that the war takes roughly some 2500 days... you...well see the light at the end of the tunnel. so my opinion is. did mode is the only right one for this game.

and btw i flew quite a bit of il2/46 (mostly online). and the reason why i mostly flew coop servers is exactly the fact that once you are dead... you can not do anything more in the given mission

[Canovaro]

I play a modified form of 'dead is dead'. If I get killed because I left the game running when I went to go see what mischief my son is getting into, or because I had to take a leak, or something, then I don't worry about reloading from my last save. Usually that kind of thing happens when I think there is no one else in the area, and I get caught on the surface by aircraft at dusk or dawn.

If, however, I get killed fair and square while I'm sitting there, then I'm dead and I abandon that career.
Me too, did but not while you take a leak or when the pc crashes or something. Sounds fair.

[nikbear]

I play a modified form of 'dead is dead'. If I get killed because I left the game running when I went to go see what mischief my son is getting into, or because I had to take a leak, or something, then I don't worry about reloading from my last save. Usually that kind of thing happens when I think there is no one else in the area, and I get caught on the surface by aircraft at dusk or dawn.

If, however, I get killed fair and square while I'm sitting there, then I'm dead and I abandon that career.
Me too, did but not while you take a leak or when the pc crashes or something. Sounds fair.

Same way I play as well:up: nice to know I'm not the only one who plays like this;)

[Hadrys]

Same way I play as well:up: nice to know I'm not the only one who plays like this;)

There's more of us ;)

[Ubåtskapten]

Yap, I do the same.:|\\

[XLjedi]

I like starting in the happy times and seeing how long I can live.

Right now, I think I'm midway thru my 3rd patrol in my shiny new VIIB, it's still easy-going lone unescorted merchants.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Same way I play as well:up: nice to know I'm not the only one who plays like this;)
There's more of us ;)

Nice perspective:up:


RDP

[Iron Budokan]

I play DiD, too. :up:

[SmokinTep]

I'm only dead if I screw up. If I step away and something happens, then I 'll go back to last save.

[XLjedi]

Sometimes I allow myself to do something that's obviously silly, but I just wanna see what would happen. In which case, I do save the game and then try the silly task. In which case, whether I am successful or not, I would revert back to my last save.

The other night I was tracking a lone target and when I finally was close enough to make a visual contact I saw that it was a little coastal fishing boat. I had a good firing solution and wondered what it would look like if a torpedo hit a fishing boat, sooooo....

Obviously when I saw the target was a trawler and knew the seas were too rough for deck gunnage; I would've just broke off the attack and moved on. Which I did when I restarted the game.

[Klaus_Doldinger]

Dead is dead. I agree, with the exceptions mentioned, like getting up to see what is my daughter doing and similar things that happens when you think that no one is in your area... in other words, when you are not resposable of the error that send you to the bottom.

Once I tried to play a little drunk believing that the DD would not detect me. He send me to the bottom in a matter of seconds, so in the next morning I resumed my campaign in the last save before I went to the pub.:rotfl: :rotfl:

Don´t sail drunk, not to mention a convoy attack!:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

DiD when I get the opportunity (testing committments permitting) ;)

[UnterseeBoogeyMan]

I feel sick to my stomach to see the Abondon Carreer page and to delete the Profile, but I do it. I do it knowing that when I do sink a capitol ship and live to tell about it I have a sense of acomplishment and not a cheap thrill. Granted, I'm on Captain #8, but this last go around I made it to 1940, Operation Weserabung. Maybe on the 9th try I'll make it all the way to 1945. I do manage to get furhter each time I die.

Although its sickening to die, I have to give a toast to the Tommies that got me. They pulled a rabbit out of the hat each time they killed me.

[Sigurd]

I play DiD mainly, but after a period of getting used to equipment. For example, I just got enough renown for a type IX-B, and its also my first time using one. Of course, I was sunk a few times because I wasn't familiar with its capabilites (dive times, max submerged speed, etc), so I reload a few times if I get sunk until I figure out what I'm doing wrong, and adapt (dive earlier, realize I can go deeper, etc.) In my current case, I plan to go into DiD by '40 (just departed in November '39). Of course, I follow many of the rules outlined above.

[Tontoman]

As others, if I die while actively playing (which includes running under time compression) I'm dead, otherwise I'll reload. Died too many times close to harbor due to collisions, and I'm not going to spend an hour real time to get out of the harbour.. little enough game time as it is.

But I like DiD with the above exception as it makes combat decisions that much more stressful. Without DiD I would always charge any convoy any time.:)

T.

[Chisum]

Actually, because it's the first time I play SH3(real first time), I play in "Dead is live" mode lol.
Each time I die I start again while trying to see where I made an error and while trying to find the best way to survive until the end of the war.

I'm now in 1945 and it's clear that the only way out is to escape when meeting a convoy. I sail towards the zones where there are no planes(middle AK, and after cap 180 go to DR-DS-EF-EG-EH[thanks to the map !]), and I patrol on the isolated merchants roads.
Great score without trouble.
Back home by the North of Rockall Bank, allways deep and silent.

But in the second campaign DiD will be operationnal.
;)

[Mooncatt]

i also (did) play DID i want that maximum feel to the game where by if i screw up then thats it i have to start over. it makes you cautious in the way you do things. e.g if you dont play DID you can save and then charge straight into a convoy without thinking about it really, if you play DID then you have to plan ahead so it gets you thinking about where to position yourself, what the weather is like (meaning how close you can get) what year is it (how good the dds are) etc etc. thats what gives this game the ultimate edge.

[Sailor Steve]

The only I ever reloaded a game after dying was when I first used the original Kiel Canal mod, and the waypoints I laid out took me right through a dock in the middle of the Canal. Other than that, saves and reloads are for when the game crashes.

Dead IS dead!

[Mooncatt]

jesus, sailer steve!!!! how may posts???!!! cant beleive your still alive lmao sorry off topic i know just didnt expect to see you especially with 10k + posts....man u need to get out more ( joke) :D :up: :rock:

[Sailor Steve]

Well, I haven't been able to play in a while, so I talk, talk, talk.

Actually there are people around with higher per-day post counts; they'll catch me someday.

[JuanCudz]

Dead is dead. Period. That's what the pause button is for.

I also have my old 'Aces of the Deep' ubooters guide and always play realism phase 4 or 5, as much as i am able, given that SHIII patrol areas are a lot smaller than the old 'Aces...' ones.

[donw]

I also have my old 'Aces of the Deep' ubooters guide and always play realism phase 4 or 5

Hey Mate...
Any chance of sharing that guide? Sounds interesting!:yep:

[gord96]

i play DiD too. when i die i start a new career in the next month so i continue on with the war. when the war ends i start over again in 39. that way it plays out like the actual war. i name some the the new captains after old officers that i let go from previous careers so it is like they got their own boats now and their old captain is dead.

[Takeda Shingen]

jesus, sailer steve!!!! how may posts???!!! cant beleive your still alive lmao sorry off topic i know just didnt expect to see you especially with 10k + posts....man u need to get out more ( joke) :D :up: :rock:

That's why Steve is SubSim's COB.

[Sailor Steve]

jesus, sailer steve!!!! how may posts???!!! cant beleive your still alive lmao sorry off topic i know just didnt expect to see you especially with 10k + posts....man u need to get out more ( joke) :D :up: :rock:

That's why Steve is SubSim's COB.
Crusty Old B******d.:rotfl:

Of course, Mooncatt, if you want to know what, where, how and why, you can look here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115102

[STEED]

I lost so many U-Boats I had to take a break while the shipyards caught up with me. Well what do you expect when I mainly play in 43/44. :roll:

[JuanCudz]

I also have my old 'Aces of the Deep' ubooters guide and always play realism phase 4 or 5

Hey Mate...
Any chance of sharing that guide? Sounds interesting!:yep:

Hear you go sorry it's been a while
http://web.archive.org/web/20030420163718/www.yawp.com/3rd-i/staff/abbadon/handbook/contents.html

Last time I logged in it kept telling me to login again and I got frustrated.

[sharkbit]

Is this a record for the oldest post being ressurected from the dead?
:)

[Chisum]

Probably a top 3 !
:lol:

But it was a good thread, I like this one:


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Dead is dead, and east is east and west is west, and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does.

:lol:

Be serious, I'm in my first attempt in DiD(6th campagn...), now in the second mission and hope still alive long time again.

:cool:

[PappyCain]

I play all my sims DiD and full realistic. It is the only way to learn - making errors and getting penalized (just like RL). I put a new Type V11B out to sea this week and hope the next skipper Steinner and crew is proficient - they trained with Rott in war games. I lost Rott and boat when he was at 47,000 tons and got cocky on his 6th patrol. Steinner is at 45,000 tons on his first patrol. Same early year - different dates. Striker is ready for his shakedown and is out to catch up with Steinner.

S'
PC

[Ivan Putski]

I play DiD, and enjoy the extra challenges it brings, teaches one to not get too greedy, and to plan out their moves in advance. Puts

[Jimbuna]

Is this a record for the oldest post being ressurected from the dead?
:)

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[Puster Bill]

Is this a record for the oldest post being ressurected from the dead?
:)


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Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that this thread here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

[U-104]

go through the thread and look for loose change.:lol:

[ktrboston]

I play DID, when I screw up and my name is plastered in the ward room with the words "An Embarrassment". I start a new career which it is the way is should be after you have become a seasoned skipper. The only thing I don't do yet is have limited fuel or compress air. I havent got the skill yet to do that. One of the these days I will give it a shot.

[Stealth Hunter]

I used to, but I haven't been playing SH3 much lately.

I could make around 10-15 patrols without going down. The things that always got me in the end were the planes with depth charges. Being stubborn, I'd have men man the flak gun and shoot at them, only to miss and then go down quite quickly (finally being destroyed by the pressure).

[Kielhauler1961]

I play DiD with some skippers and reload others, depending on circumstances. The way I get sunk is mostly playing on beyond the point when I'm tired (I'll just sink this last DD and then go to bed...yeah, right!). First time you yawn, save & quit.

[Puster Bill]

I play DiD with some skippers and reload others, depending on circumstances. The way I get sunk is mostly playing on beyond the point when I'm tired (I'll just sink this last DD and then go to bed...yeah, right!). First time you yawn, save & quit.

Commanders didn't have that option in real life. ;)

Playing tired gives you a slight crack into which you can peer into the real problems of being a submarine commander, from a safe distance of course.

[Paul Riley]

When I played IL-2 offline campaigns, I would play "dead is dead." That means when I get killed, the career is over, no restarts, no reverting to last saved. I lost a few nice kill totals that way...

Is that a feasible approach in SH3? Do many play this way? How hard is it to make it through, say, a patrol? A year?

For those of you who play this way, how is your play different than if you weren't playing this way? Sure, I expect you're more cautious, but _how_ more cautious?

I'm really looking for tips on playing to sink ships AND survive.

I play this way.Of all the mods that may make this game more realistic what could be more realistic than being killed for real? :dead:
Unless of course you have a witch doctor on board and he manages to revive you from the dead.
And yes,I for one get a more profound sense of danger playing this way as it keeps you on your toes.