wolfgang petersen

[ABBAFAN]

does anyone else agree that except the highly excellent Das Boot all his films are absalute excrement?

[joea]

Well of the others I've seen, Air Force One was meh...Troy :dead:, and that's all I think.

List here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Petersen

[Chock]

Didn't he direct The Neverending Story? think it was him. Garbage.

Yeah, most of his other stuff is not too great. Air Force one really sucks ass big time, some nice CGI when that tanker is it? can't remember, blows up. But yeah, that's a real rent-payer of a movie. Perfect Storm is another one of his isn't it? that's another CGI-fest with a crap story (even if it is based on a true event). Troy is quite possibly one of the worst films ever, 'nuff said. Then you have Poseidon, a pointless remake of what was a crap film in the first place.

But...

Enemy Mine (a remake of Hell in the Pacific) is an outstandingly good movie, and Outbreak is quite entertaining too. But even if he never made another film ever again, who can fault the man that made Das Boot? It's more than most of us will ever do.

:D Chock

[fatty]

Troy and Perfect Storm I enjoyed.

Das Boot? Meh. It was okay, I think I am the only person on this forum who isn't nuts over it. It's a nice submarine movie, but as a general cinematic work... :shifty:

[Heibges]

The Perfect Storm had some good parts, but overall I agree it was weak.

[Camaero]

Troy and Perfect Storm I enjoyed.

Das Boot? Meh. It was okay, I think I am the only person on this forum who isn't nuts over it. It's a nice submarine movie, but as a general cinematic work... :shifty:

You must be burned at the stake for that!

Actually I like some of his movies... none of them are anywhere near as good as Das Boot though.

[Heibges]

Troy and Perfect Storm I enjoyed.

Das Boot? Meh. It was okay, I think I am the only person on this forum who isn't nuts over it. It's a nice submarine movie, but as a general cinematic work... :shifty:

I think the story arc in Das Boot is brilliant.

[Skybird]

When he did The Neverending Story, he gave a lot of interviews saying that now it was about laying the fundament of a European film industry, and that he was about assisting in the creation of a massive german movie business etc etc.

Less than six months later he was off to Hollywood and never came back. Bigmouth.

Before Neverending Story, he did a handful of TV productions. Some of them were solid character movies, especially two crime movies I vaguely remember. But all in all, like Emmerich, he is overrated with his hollywood works.

[Tchocky]

Ah Mr Emmerich, how nice to see you again. And how will you be destroying landmarks this year?

[bookworm_020]

Ah Mr Emmerich, how nice to see you again. And how will you be destroying landmarks this year?

More important, which landmarks?:hmm:

[bradclark1]

Das Boot? Meh. It was okay, I think I am the only person on this forum who isn't nuts over it. It's a nice submarine movie, but as a general cinematic work... :shifty:
Nope, I was way before you. I had to take no-doze to watch it and never did finish it.

[SUBMAN1]

The Perfect Storm had some good parts, but overall I agree it was weak.

My thoughts exactly. Boring!

[Skybird]

If you guys want some extremely good movie-making by a German director, watch out for Tom Tykwer. Some of his movies are amongst the most beautiful I have ever seen.

Maybe "Run, Lola, run" is his most well-lknown, but despite some technical originality in the plot, i think it is not amongst his best.

These three, however, are very dear to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintersleepers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Warrior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_%282002_film%29

I agree with those Germans saying that Tykwer probably is the most artistic and orginal movie-maker germany has ever had since WWII. His movies are pieces of beauty and art, not action, but are not so tiresome dialogue-oriented and abstract-philosophic like many modern French or Eastern movies. If you look for bright lights and loiud sounds, look somewhere else. Despite the artistic handling of colours, cuts and camera perspectives, the highly original, surprising, unexpected and confusing and yet sense-making twists in his plots are noticable (see Wintersleeper).

[Safe-Keeper]

The NeverEnding Story was awesome in my eyes. The Perfect Storm, out of respect for the family of the dead, should either have been created with fictional characters and a fictional event, or not at all. Das Boot was splendid, although not at all if you're after a Hollywood-style action movie;). Outbreak was just OK, felt like all other Hollywood movies, except they're fighting a virus instead of terrorists or Russians.

[Heibges]

When he did The Neverending Story, he gave a lot of interviews saying that now it was about laying the fundament of a European film industry, and that he was about assisting in the creation of a massive german movie business etc etc.

Less than six months later he was off to Hollywood and never came back. Bigmouth.

Before Neverending Story, he did a handful of TV productions. Some of them were solid character movies, especially two crime movies I vaguely remember. But all in all, like Emmerich, he is overrated with his hollywood works.

But I believe the Bluescreen facilities they used for Neverending Story did bring a lot of business to Germany. Wasn't it the largest bluescreen in the world at one time?

[Heibges]

If you guys want some extremely good movie-making by a German director, watch out for Tom Tykwer. Some of his movies are amongst the most beautiful I have ever seen.

Maybe "Run, Lola, run" is his most well-lknown, but despite some technical originality in the plot, i think it is not amongst his best.

These three, however, are very dear to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintersleepers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Warrior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_%282002_film%29

I agree with those Germans saying that Tykwer probably is the most artistic and orginal movie-maker germany has ever had since WWII. His movies are pieces of beauty and art, not action, but are not so tiresome dialogue-oriented and abstract-philosophic like many modern French or Eastern movies. If you look for bright lights and loiud sounds, look somewhere else. Despite the artistic handling of colours, cuts and camera perspectives, the highly original, surprising, unexpected and confusing and yet sense-making twists in his plots are noticable (see Wintersleeper).

I guess Istvan Zsabo is Czech, but I loved "Mephisto" and "Oberst Redl". I have a lot of friends who love Wim Wenders, but I find him a little too "arty"

[Skybird]

I prefer Tykwer over Wenders, always. Wender's style is like some other's. Tykwer's style is unique, with a far more developed sense for visual completeness and beauty.

In fact I stopped caring for Wenders. I must admit I find him simply boring.

[kiwi_2005]

does anyone else agree that except the highly excellent Das Boot all his films are absalute excrement?

:rotfl:

[AntEater]

Petersen, Emmerich and even Wenders simply got out of Dodge at the first opportunity.
They preferred being relatively nobodies in Hollywood over being the first men in german cinema. Wenders is just different from the rest because he went into intellectual cinema instead of the normal hollywood machine.
Ok, I can understand them, in the 80s german cinema was deader than dead.
But still, Petersen could do comparable films here right now and they would be better.
Emmerich's films would still be a CGI fest without any sense but at least he would have spared us "the Patriot" :D

[Penelope_Grey]

That is probably why you view them all as rubbish. You look and think, is this really made by the guy who brought us Das Boot?

Basically, had somebody else done these films, while you may not have loved them you may not be as criticial, if you see my point.

[Skybird]

Petersen, Emmerich and even Wenders simply got out of Dodge at the first opportunity.
They preferred being relatively nobodies in Hollywood over being the first men in german cinema.

As a matter of fact Emmerich has a very solid reputation in Hollywood, not only becasue the box office hits he created, but for one reason producers like more than any other: at the start he gives a number on costs - and he then is able to realise the project with that money, never demanding more in the second half of the work. He is considered to be a very clever economist in that regard, who is able to improvise when money runs short without that tricks being too obvious in the movie.

His first German movie was "Das Arche Noah-Prinzip", where he already copied the style of Spielberg's early movies a bit, using certain narrative elements from him, and the SF movies of the 80s that were produced in Hollywood. However, Spielberg developed beyond movies like ET and Indiana Jones, and showed that he can do some more serious films, too. Emmerich remained at that relatively "infantile" level of building towers with wooden bricks, and then film how they fall down again. I found such films entertaining 10-15 years ago. Today: no more.

[Tchocky]

Tom Tykwer produced what is probably my favourite film - Absoluten Giganten

Sebastian Schipper (the guy on the nike from Lola) directed.

[Sailor Steve]

I love Das Boot because I love looking at the u-boat's interior, and I love a fun war movie, but I have no delusions; as a movie it really is just a little better than average.